Grex Music2 Conference

Item 11: The World Music Item

Entered by raven on Wed Jan 31 19:15:27 1996:

        This is the item for lovers of world music.  Feel free to discuss
the virtues of "traditional world music" v.s. "ambient/trance/fusion,"
favorite world music cds, or upcoming world music performences.
        Just for the record I am a big fan of Bachir Attar, King Sunny Ade,
Taraf de Haidoukes (Roumanie music), and Kocani Orkestra (Macedonian Brass
Band).
206 responses total.

#1 of 206 by rcurl on Thu Feb 1 06:26:15 1996:

What's "world music"? Of any variety?


#2 of 206 by scott on Thu Feb 1 12:37:01 1996:

I tend to think of "world music" as international music, typically pop music
that is clearly influenced by a number of different cultures.  Fer instance,
the reggae boom of the 80's.


#3 of 206 by rcurl on Thu Feb 1 15:24:20 1996:

Would the Jamaicans consider that "world music"? I'm trying to determine
if the term is an insular Americanism, or if it has a definition that would
apply everywhere. Intercultural? That would make jazz "world music",
wouldn't it? 


#4 of 206 by scott on Fri Feb 2 02:32:16 1996:

Yup.


#5 of 206 by scott on Fri Feb 2 02:34:21 1996:

That needs a bit more elaboration.  Reggae isn't "Jamaican folk music", but
a recently developed form that took a lot from British pop music.

then it got dragged to America and mucked with some more.


#6 of 206 by raven on Fri Feb 2 07:00:12 1996:

        I used world music as an intentionaly broad term to get discussion
going. re#2 You are probably thinking of "world beat" which is modern
fusion based intercultural music.  I would like this item to discuss
both modern and tradational music from non-europeon cultures. 
re#3  Yes world music is a eurocentric term, but I couldn't think of a better
term off the top of my head to cover the topic at hand.  I would say
that tradational bop/big band jazz is not world music because it has
developed in the U.S.  There is however a lot of world music, say Ravi
Shankar, that is influenced by jazz.  To make this all the more confusing
sometimes I find cajun music in the world section at record stores.
In short there is no concise definition of world music, my purpose in
starting the item was to discuss non-americam (non-europeon??), non-jazz,
non-western classical music from various cultures ranging from ambient
to 4,000 year Jajokan music. Clear now? :-)


#7 of 206 by orinoco on Fri Feb 2 23:33:32 1996:

It also tends to involve the bringing together of diverse elements from
multiple cultures.  Though not always


#8 of 206 by raven on Sat Feb 3 02:49:22 1996:

        Ummm I don't suppose anyone is interestred in talking about the music.
I could always start another item for tedious wrangling about the definition
of world music. :-)


#9 of 206 by scott on Sat Feb 3 12:47:34 1996:

I like it.  I don't have a lot of it these days, since I feel like the big
"world beat" sound mostly died out a few years ago :(  


#10 of 206 by raven on Sat Feb 3 23:22:55 1996:

        Well world music is more than world beat ethnofusion.  For example
two of my favorite world music cds Bachir Attar's "The next Dream" and
Taraf De Haidoukes's "Honourable Brigands" came out within the last year
and a half.  It's true the world beat sounds of such people as King Sunny
Ade has died out a bit which is too bad.





#11 of 206 by scott on Sun Feb 4 16:31:44 1996:

Yeah.  I'm not so fond of the new-agey kind of stuff like Basia, etc.

Guess I'm getting too old.  >:)


#12 of 206 by orinoco on Sun Feb 4 22:15:23 1996:

Personally, the only music I listen to that could really be called "world
beat" is Angelique Kidjo, and that's still pretty mainstream....


#13 of 206 by raven on Mon Feb 5 05:05:24 1996:

        Uh I don't like new age stuff either but i like tradatuional 
jajokan music and tradational eastern europeon string and brass band
music.  All of these forms of music have beem played for hundreds of
years before anyone thought up a catategory like "new age."


#14 of 206 by orinoco on Mon Feb 5 22:59:23 1996:

How mainstream can things get and still be talked bout here?  Is Paul Simon's
"Graceland" legal?  How about latin-influenced jazz?  The sitar part in "Love
you to" or "The inner light"?


#15 of 206 by raven on Tue Feb 6 05:17:10 1996:

        Uhh I don't think I put an obscurity requirement anywhere in #0.
I would be interested in hearing about any music of non western cultures.
For example I think Ofra Haza is quite cool and she's a *big* pop star
from I believe Egypt.


#16 of 206 by raven on Wed Feb 7 19:22:34 1996:

        Hmmm still no substantive comments about the music.  I'm not going
to have to forget my own item am I?


#17 of 206 by krj on Sun Feb 11 01:55:40 1996:

Maybe.  I've been on a big Scandinavian binge the last few years.
(Hedningarna is probably the best band in the world!  :-)   )
I went through a big African phase back in the early 1980's.
I stumbled across a radio station in Washington D.C. which had a 
Saturday night show playing lots of cool African music with 
fast guitar lines.  I would have my dad tape shows and mail them
to me; the DJ had a heavy accent, so I could never understand the 
track announcements.  
 
One day I happened to be playing one of my mystery tapes for Ellen, 
an old girlfriend, who worked with lots of students from French-speaking
Africa. "Oh, that's soukous," she explained.  Her African friends had 
taken her out to a club show by Tabu Ley and M'bilia Bel, so that's
where I started.
 
Just in this week is the second album from the Swedish band Anitas Livs,
WILD WORLD WEB.  The band is made up of three women who sing and 
play percussion -- a lot more MIDI percussion on this second album, 
which I think spoils the purity of the concept too much.  But they're
still a lot of fun.   They play three main types of songs:  
American blues from the 20's (mostly Bessie Smith), Sami (Lapp)
folk music, and Indian classical and film music.  A fun mix.
 
Hey, don't give up yet, Raven, I'll get back and write more.
I must have a crate or two of stuff which could go in this pigeonhole.


#18 of 206 by raven on Mon Feb 12 16:01:44 1996:

        That band Anitas Livs sounds interesting.  Where would one find
a tape/CD of their music?  Please don't tell me it's a $25 import?  Their
music from your description sounds similar to Annabouboula from Greece.


#19 of 206 by krj on Tue Feb 20 08:25:11 1996:

OK, I won't tell you it's a $25 import....  it's a $19 import, but you 
have to call England to order it...


#20 of 206 by krj on Sat Feb 24 07:06:03 1996:

Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan from Pakistan, who some people claim is the world's
greatest singer, is getting a bit of airplay from his two duets with 
Eddie Vedder on the DEAD MAN WALKING soundtrack.  Ry Cooder on guitar.
I wonder if they'll ever try to take the concept to album length?


#21 of 206 by raven on Thu Feb 29 21:11:54 1996:

        re #20 sigh, and they wonder why people tape other peoples CDs.


#22 of 206 by raven on Sat Mar 2 20:32:10 1996:

        Yesterday I checked out an excelent web site for "world music" called
roots world and it's sister site hollow ear.  It has many review of very
interesting sounding avant/world recordings.  I could stay broke for years
if I continue to chech in there.  I don't have the URL offhand but try
your friendly neighboorhood web searching engine to find these interesting
sites.


#23 of 206 by krj on Thu Mar 28 18:14:30 1996:

That would be Cliff Furnald's place.  
 
The Swedish/Finnish band Hedningarna has now been packaged for USA
release.  Their last two Swedish releases have been edited together,
and the band's name has been translated, so the US released is 
FIRE by The Heathens.   Hedningarna has been my favorite band of the last 
six years or so: the material is based on folk styles, but they've 
added lots of electric guitars, some home-made bagpipes and lutes,
and a ferocious percussion section.  Plus two women singing in 
sharp harmonies.  There's a used copy of this at Encore Music -- 
at least there was last Saturday -- if anyone wants to gamble $8 on 
my recommendation.


#24 of 206 by raven on Fri Mar 29 00:29:50 1996:

        re # 23 Would that copy of the CD be in the world music section
at Encore???


#25 of 206 by krj on Fri Mar 29 07:20:28 1996:

Yes, in one of the world music sections -- I forget exactly 
which country/concept they filed it under.


#26 of 206 by raven on Wed Apr 3 04:34:20 1996:

        I found and bought the Hedningarna CD.  I like it quite well so
far.  It reminds me a little of "Dead Can Dance" but with more authentic
pagan roots.  The muscianship seems quite outstanding.


#27 of 206 by krj on Sat Apr 6 19:41:15 1996:

Ah, it always warms my heart when I can get someone else interested
in Hedningarna.  


#28 of 206 by krj on Wed Jul 31 17:15:07 1996:

Right now I'm hoping to stumble across two African fusion albums.
The first is by Afro-Celt Sound System; on the one track I've 
heard the pick-up band goes in for long extended jams with an 
underpinning of African drumming.  The other is Radio Tarifa/
RHUMBA ARGELINA, a promising-sounding Spanish/North African hybrid.


#29 of 206 by raven on Sat Nov 23 01:47:18 1996:

        I'm hoping to breathe some life back into this item by linking
it to the restarted music conf.  So come on and talk about your favorite
music that isn't from the USA or British Isles.


#30 of 206 by jor on Sat Nov 23 19:15:00 1996:

        Are Dead Can Dance "world music"? I would guess yes.

        raven way back in r6 you mentioned Ravi Shankar being
        influenced by jazz. That really throws me for a loop.
        Could you elaborate?


#31 of 206 by raven on Sun Nov 24 17:45:55 1996:

        Well I just ment that Ravi Shankar has played with some jazz musicians
(at least I think he has) I know he has done some pop albums which I think
had jazz musicans on them, perhaps I'm miss remembering?
        I would say Dead Can Dead is world music infuenced with the middle
eastern percussion and singing, but not world music per sae because the
members are all from England I believe.


#32 of 206 by krj on Sun Nov 24 18:18:16 1996:

I don't believe that anything is inherently "world music," except 
by virtue of being filed in the world music bin at the CD store.


#33 of 206 by raven on Sun Nov 24 23:08:52 1996:

        re # 32 True it is an artficial category to a large extent, however,
I think it's useful to have an item to discuss non American, non British
Isles music.


#34 of 206 by krj on Mon Nov 25 23:32:41 1996:

(Don't mind me, I just get cranky about attempts to define the 
stylistic limits of such an artificial marketing category...
of course, it has been a tremendously useful category.  When I first 
got interested in African pop, back around 1980, you just could not 
find any recordings in Lansing, and you could only find a few in 
Schoolkids.  I dragged most of mine back from Washington DC's 
Tower Records, after it opened.
 
(Is Sheila Chandra's work world music??  She was born and raised in 
England.  :)    )
 
I will try to get to the reviews I promised long ago in response #28, 
now that I have both CDs.


#35 of 206 by bruin on Tue Nov 26 00:45:50 1996:

BTW, would Rolf Harris' "Tie Me Kangaroo Down Sport" be considered world
music, as it does reflect on life in Australia.


#36 of 206 by razor on Tue Nov 26 09:40:25 1996:

I haven't personally heard it, but I've heard an ever evolving musical
thinktank called Ancient Future is very good.  They're cut records with the
masters of the non-traditional-western instruments, such as the tabla. 
They've also got a website, which I don't have handy.  


#37 of 206 by jor on Wed Nov 27 15:12:58 1996:

razor I think bruin is teasing. that was a silly thing that became a pop
hit 30 years ago . .

        tan me hide when I'm dead, Fred,
        tan me hide hide when I'm dead.
        don't leave it hangin' on the shed, Fred,
        tan me hide when I'm dead.

somethin' like that.


#38 of 206 by bruin on Wed Nov 27 16:47:34 1996:

RE #37 Jor, I believe the last two lines were:

      So we tanned his hide when he died, Clyde,
      And that's it hanging on the shed.


#39 of 206 by bmoran on Thu Nov 28 05:44:54 1996:

Didn't they also mention playing a didge?


#40 of 206 by bruin on Thu Nov 28 14:14:45 1996:

RE #39 That's "Play your didgerydoo <sp>, Lou."


#41 of 206 by jor on Sun Dec 1 22:29:45 1996:

That's pretty hysterical. The "world music" item resolves itself
with Tie Me Kangeroo Down


#42 of 206 by razor on Tue Dec 3 14:04:17 1996:

re 37:  thanks, jor, but that's not what i was making reference to- i was
meaning i hadn't heard the band i was about to mention.
I have heard that Tie me Kangaroo Down song... as well as "My Boomerang Won't
Come Back" (more world music made right here in the USA by half-baked comedy
troopers)


#43 of 206 by jiffer on Sat Jan 18 11:09:43 1997:

Its good to see a good apprecation of World Music on Grex.. If anyone knows
of any Good Japanese Operas that are on CD i would really apprecatie it!  then
again... Living in a horrid Town that i live in, I more than likely won't find
it!   I have a freind that really got me into it, though, unluckily, due to
his mother getting sick, he returned back to Japan, and has deiced to stay.



#44 of 206 by krj on Sun Jan 19 00:22:28 1997:

np: "Uhinez uhin" by Maixa Ta Ixiar.  Pop-folk, accordion dominated,
by a quartet of Basque women from Spain.  I love accordions, which is 
why I got this, but it might seem corny to some of you.
 
Trying to decipher the booklet is almost as much fun as listening
to the album; the disc is a package for the local market, so the
booklet is written in Basque only.   Maixa & Ixiar are the singers
 -- "ahotsa" must be vocals, and "trikitia" is probably accordion.


#45 of 206 by mziemba on Wed Feb 26 21:26:14 1997:

Wow.  I think I'll like this place!  I've been interested in world culture
for a while, and found that music was a useful avenue of discovery.  I've
recently begun to intensify my musical explorations after organizing a
world music section at a large record store.  World music is a rather
vague term, but I tend to focus on the more traditional ethnic aspects.
I am, however, not averse to discussion of other issues...



#46 of 206 by mziemba on Wed Feb 26 21:33:06 1997:

Matthew, I think Ofra Haza is Israeli.



#47 of 206 by raven on Thu Feb 27 17:57:17 1997:

re # 46 You are correct, sorry for the misinfo.  BTW her album 50 gates
of Wisdom is a wonderful blend of club music (not overdone) and tradational
Yeminite Jewish music.


#48 of 206 by mziemba on Fri Feb 28 19:46:21 1997:

I've got Haza's _Kirya_, Matthew, which is pretty good.  Don Was was even
in on it!  

It's easy to misplace world music judging by the sound, as certain regions
have a similar sound.  The predominant characteristic of Haza's is Middle
Eastern, of course.

Another band you mentioned, Dead Can Dance, actually started out in
Australia. Brendan Perry and Lisa Gerrard met in Melbourne and then moved
to the U.K.  Later, Gerrard moved back to Australia.  Gerrard apparently
grew up in a Greek and Turkish quarter, which would explain the Middle
Eastern/Mediterranean feel to their music.  There's also a strong Celtic
feel (and it's interesting to note some similarities between Middle
Eastern and Celtic music), which gives it a more European flavor. 

As another aside, the European lute was apparently developed from the
Arabic oud.

There are many interesting characteristics that identify and/or connect
various styles of music around the world.



#49 of 206 by jiffer on Sun Mar 2 04:59:53 1997:

 fanks for the info!
 i am too tired to think...


#50 of 206 by anderyn on Mon Mar 10 00:12:47 1997:

I of course adore Hedningarna, and Garmarna, and Hoven Droven (all
Scandinavian folk). I also like some more *odd* stuff, such as MacUmba,
which is a fusion of Scottish music with South American percussion. It's
very neat, but unless you like bagpipes, you won't like it. The other
group that I like a lot is Baba Yaga, which I believe is defunct. Sob.
Russian (Georgian) choral singers, Yugoslavian musicians, and Irish singers.
I really really liked the choral music, but I've been afraid to try any
more traditional Russian stuff, since I don't think I'd like it.


#51 of 206 by krj on Tue Mar 11 16:22:20 1997:

Twila, can you tell me more about Baba Yaga being (1) Georgian, and 
(2) possibly defunct?


#52 of 206 by orinoco on Thu Mar 13 23:20:09 1997:

Recently Ashley MacIsaac, who combines 'rock' music (don't even *start* me
trying to define that) with celtic fiddling, was at St. Andrew's Hall in
Detroit.  I had tickets, but then I got pneumonia.  :P


#53 of 206 by krj on Fri Mar 14 02:39:31 1997:

Heh.  I would have put Ashley in the folk music item.  I thought about 
that St. Andrew's show.  But basically I'm being too much of a slug 
to go.  I did see Ashley on the RITA & FRIENDS television show on 
CBC, and I would like to see him live some day: he seems like a 
pretty good showman.


#54 of 206 by anderyn on Sat Mar 15 22:21:27 1997:

Ken, did you tell me that MacIsaac had a female singer associated with him?
A friend was trying to find out who the singer was on something that plays
on The River, and he mentioned that it was in Gaelic and that he thought
the name given was Susan or Sarah MacIsaac, but he did admit that there
was a whole lot of fiddling in the track.


#55 of 206 by krj on Mon Mar 17 03:51:45 1997:

(answer jumped to item 27, Folk Music)


#56 of 206 by mziemba on Wed Mar 19 11:56:32 1997:

I had the chance to go to the MacIsaak show, but the thoguht about how
Nanci Griffith walked off a tour with MacIsaak, so I decided to stand
behind Nanci.  Well, and I was pretty broke, too, so that made it
easier...

Twila, have you heard the _Le Mystere Des Voix Bulgares_ album?  That's a
pretty cool one, and might be up your alley.  Very haunting choral music.

By the way, anyone going to see the McGarrigles at the Ark, Thursday,
March 20, 8P?



#57 of 206 by krj on Wed Mar 19 23:41:59 1997:

I'm hoping to be at the McGarrigles' show.  I need to find an identifiable
Tshirt which fits.
 
(Of *course* the McGarrigles are World Music: they're from Canada!
Even better, from Quebec!!)
 
As for Le Mystere etc. etc.:  a former lead soprano for the Philip Koutev
ensemble, Kalinka Vulcheva, married an English folk guitarist, Martin
Jenkins, and they have now had their first metaphorical child, 
CROSS THE DANUBE by Vulcheva-Jenkins Incident.  The album is divided 
quite nicely between English songs and Bulgarian ones.  Some of the 
English songs are standards, such as "The Blacksmith," and it's 
unusual to hear the Bulgarian voice on them.  Very nice guitar playing, 
and some bongo percussion very reminiscent of the old John Renbourn 
Group.


#58 of 206 by anderyn on Thu Mar 20 02:59:09 1997:

Hhhmmm. That definitely sounds interesting, Ken. 

Probably not doing McGarrigles, since I'm not volunteering at the Ark
lately. Sigh.

I've heard the Bulgarian choirs, but I haven't really listened to them,
if you know what I mean. 

Right now, my newest purchase is a Scandinavian group called Varttinna,
their latest album being Kokko. I have copies of their first and second
albums, and like them greatly. This one is more, um, polished, and bears
definite signs of having been pop-if-ied, or maybe jazz-if-ied -- I 
can't quite tell, but the instrumentation is lusher and more heavy, and
the vocals aren't quite as "ethnic" as they were in the earlier recordings.


#59 of 206 by mziemba on Thu Mar 20 10:05:20 1997:

I had a chance to hear Vaerttinae's newest one, the other week.  I enjoyed
it -- it was fun listening.  I'd like to hear some earlier stuff.



#60 of 206 by krj on Thu Mar 20 11:18:30 1997:

No McGarrigles for me, alas.  And the last time I tried to see them
-- Philadelphia Folk Festival, 3 or 4 years ago -- I was driven under
shelter by a torrential thunderstorm.
 
I see Mark is a purist about Finnish accent marks.  :)  I'm told that 
the correct version would be Vaartinaa, if I remember correctly;
in ASCII, I'm a cultural imperialist and I lop off all accent marks.
 
I need to write some more about Varttina when I have more time.
News item: Sari Kassinen, who has been the leader, is reported to 
be leaving the band.  
 
I published a fanzine last year which had a good article on Varttina, 
written by a Finnish net-correspondent; it's quite the best article I 
have ever seen on the band.  I'll have to get you a copy, Mark.
 
Over on the Hedningarna front, I have finally started paying attention
to their new album HIPPJOKK.  It's much more groove oriented, less 
melodic than the last couple of albums.  The instrumental textures 
are still identifiably Hedningarna; the drummer comes much more to the 
fore with this album, I think.  More on Hedningarna later -- I'm just 
putting this in to torture Twila.


#61 of 206 by anderyn on Thu Mar 20 13:21:08 1997:

Bad Ken, bad bad. :-) Shall I ever forgive you?!


#62 of 206 by mziemba on Wed Mar 26 10:28:18 1997:

Anyone catch Tarika?  They played the Ark, yesterday. 
 
Article on Varttina and other related bands in March 1997 _Rhythm Music_. 
Some mention of Hedningarna...
 
Finally found the new Geoffrey Oryema album, _Night to Night_.  Wonderful
voice, but I think I favor his first two Real World releases, more.

Speaking of Real World...any thoughts regarding?  Sometimes, I've been
impressed, both for reasons I probably shouldn't be (wall of electronic
quicksand) and for reasons I should (introduction to some fascinating cultural
aspects).  Sometimes not, for roughly the same reasons.
 
Even given that ambivalence, I have to say that the soundtrack to _Last
Temptation of Christ_ is pretty amazing.  Ditto on _Passion Sources_.
 
And while we're on the subject, what of the modernization and/or
cross-pollination of world music?  Madredeus, Marta Sebestyen, Salif Keita,
Varttina, Enya, Tarika...some varying examples of one or the other, or both.
 
As much as I favor ethnic roots, the growth (and tangle) is pretty exciting,
too.  All of the above-mentioned people/groups fascinate me.


#63 of 206 by mcnally on Thu Mar 27 08:13:57 1997:

Reopening the "What is World Music?" can of worms, in my experience it
tends to be whatever the record store can't conveniently shelve in one
of their other categories (i.e. it's not "Rock", "Jazz", "Country", or
"Soundtracks") as ludicrous as it may be to pretend that even those basic
are mutually exclusive or immutable.  At any rate in my extensive career
of pillaging North America's finer music stores I've found enough strange
and inappropriate things filed under "World Music" that I tend to see it
less as a musical genre and more as a shelving cop-out.  Anyways..

As far as good, interesting, out-of-the-mainstream music goes I had a
visit from a former college roommate this weekend and a joint record-
shopping expedition netted him an album from (ex-Talking-Head David Byrne's)
Luaka Bop label -- part of a series called "Afro-Peruvian Classics".
Now that he's continued on to the next destination on his trip I think
I may have to go and seek out a copy of my own -- it was quite intriguing
and worthy of further exploration.


#64 of 206 by mziemba on Thu Mar 27 13:08:24 1997:

Well, if you ever get a chance to look at the East Lansing, MI Tower Records
world music section, please do so.  I worked pretty hard to organize it
respectably.  I'm not sure what's happened to it, since then, but I'm pretty
sure some of my original vision still remains...



#65 of 206 by krj on Fri Mar 28 06:43:38 1997:

Ack, I am stacked up about five responses behind.  Let me just briefly 
mention that Real World is probably the "world music" label I pay the 
most attention to: in part because of the Peter Gabriel connection, and 
in part because they advertise lavishly in FOLK ROOTS magazine from the 
UK.  Because I see all the ads, I usually don't have trouble telling
the more "authentic" items, such as "Table Songs of Georgia," from 
the more contemporary stuff like Tarem Quartet, Sheila Chandra, or 
Afro-Celt Sound System.


#66 of 206 by krj on Fri Mar 28 23:24:36 1997:

Varttina was the first of the modern Scandinavian bands to attract 
my attention:  they'd been mentioned on rec.music.misc (back when it 
was the most wonderful music discussion group in the world) after
someone had caught a track of them on a shortwave program.  
 
At this point, I didn't know how to get CDs out of Scandinavia yet.
I ended up finding a kid in Finland to trade with: he got some sort of 
American classic rock disk, and some historical-reproduction New York 
Yankees baseball caps.  I got Varttina's second CD, MUSTA LINDU, 
and their breakthrough third album, OI DAI.  Getting historical NY Yankees
baseball caps was a real nuisance.
 
OI DAI became an instant favorite; it's the album where Varttina 
was working primarily with traditional material -- mostly songs about
sex -- but working with a pop producer.  Another Finnish correspondent,
Pekka, described Varttina's home image as "Five girls who sing 
naughty songs loud."  The Finnish vocal styles seem to have 
something in common with the Bulgarian.
 
Unfortunately Varttina's followup album, SELENIKO, was a complete 
bust for me.  I suspect it's because they were writing their own 
songs.  I have a copy of AITARA, album #5, sitting around somewhere, 
but I've never played it.  
 
I'm still thankful to Varttina to alerting me to some of the interesting
music which was being made in Scandinavia; without them, I would not 
have paid attention when the first mentions of Hedningarna and 
Hoven Droven flitted across my radar screen.


#67 of 206 by mziemba on Sat Mar 29 08:07:11 1997:

Ken-  excellent.  I think I'll probably make _Oi Dai_ my first, Varttina,
then.


#68 of 206 by mziemba on Sat Mar 29 08:19:55 1997:

By the way, a wonderful guidebook for the world music tour is the _Rough Guide
to World Music_.  I've gone with many of their recommendations, and been very
happy.  I've also found a great deal of information about the performers and
the music in there.  Very handy book...


#69 of 206 by anderyn on Sat Mar 29 18:09:44 1997:

Hhmmm. Will have to rustle up a copy, then.

I still like Varttina, but Ken's Right, _Oi Dai_ is probably
their best one. 


#70 of 206 by mziemba on Sat Mar 29 18:34:53 1997:

Twila-  I'd like to find out more about volunteering at the Ark...



#71 of 206 by anderyn on Tue Apr 1 22:00:58 1997:

I was just wondering ... I have been listening to the last Hedningarna
album, and it features something called jojking. Sounds to me 
like some kind of incantation, but since I dont' speak Swedish or Finnish
I have no idea exactly what's going on here. Anyone more informed?


#72 of 206 by krj on Fri Apr 4 21:36:29 1997:

I have usually seen this spelled "joiking."  As best as I can 
recall, it's a traditional Sami (Lapp) form.  One could almost 
compare it to improvisational rapping; the singer is improvising
in the Sami language on a given subject.  I think.

The improvised song is a "joik" (noun).

The joiking/jojking on the new Hedningarna album is done by 
someone named Wimme (last name forgotten); Wimme also appeared 
on a couple of tracks on the previous album TRA.
 
The style also comes up with Mari Boine and Annelin Liedat/Angelin Tytot
(Mari is a woman, Annelin Liedat is a group), who are also Sami.
 
(Lapp, incidentally, supposedly means "eaters of raw meat" and it is 
considered a derogatory reference to the people and culture of 
northern Scandinavia.  So when you see the term Sami and Samiland, 
this is what we learned in school as Lapp and Lappland: the folks
with the reindeer herds.  Conceptually they seem very similar to 
the Inuit in North America, and musically it feels like there are 
similarities though I have not done any real comparing.)


#73 of 206 by anderyn on Fri Apr 4 22:42:46 1997:

So rapping isn't all that new a phenomenon, eh? Though I think
I like the Sami version better....

I don't think I've ever heard Inuit music -- what's available 
out there?


#74 of 206 by krj on Sun Apr 6 21:58:15 1997:

Not Inuit, but there's a nice Smithsonian collection I've been
meaning to get called WOMEN OF FIRST NATIONS.


#75 of 206 by mziemba on Wed Apr 9 10:09:47 1997:

I nearly had the opportunity to visit the Smithsonian/Folkways offices, last
summer.  Sadly, plans never got coordinated.  I'm still looking forward to
a visit, sometime in the near future.  What a place!


#76 of 206 by mziemba on Tue May 27 07:31:34 1997:

Two new items I've run across in the past week:  a Lyrichord disc of Aborigine
music and an Axiom disc of the Egyptian music of Mohamed Abdel Wahab, as
performed by Simon Shaheen and assorted players.
 
I've been looking at the Lyrichord one for some time, now.  There doesn't seem
to be a whole lot in the way of recorded Aborigine music in traditional form,
and this one seemed to be a good choice.  I've had good luck with another
Lyrichord disc regarding (interestingly enough) traditional Egyptian music.
Like my previous Lyrichord purchase, it did seem to faithfully represent a
cultural art, yet lack substantial liner notes.  Worth listening to, but
perhaps not textually educational.
 
The Axiom disc of Abdel Wahab's material as performed by Shaheen, however,
is well documented, and a fantastic album, to boot.  Abdel Wahab was
apparently a fairly worldy composer, having studied both Western and
Middle Eastern music.  Shaheen, a virtuoso of violin and oud, seems
well-placed as a vehicle for the music.  For those of you, by the way, who
have heard Anne Dudley and Jaz Coleman's _Songs From the Victorious City_,
put together from sessions in Cairo, you will be impressed by how easily
you will slide into the apparently faithful Shaheen rendering of Abdel
Wahab's more traditional material.  Very nice!



#77 of 206 by mcnally on Tue May 27 20:15:58 1997:

  Shaheen's violin and oud playing really add to Material's "Seven Souls"
  album, which I believe we've mentioned in another item..


#78 of 206 by mziemba on Thu May 29 14:47:28 1997:

And, if that wasn't enough, Shaheen will be performing a free recital at
Schoolkid's, this Saturday, May 31st, at 5:30p.  I highly recommend checking
it out.  Unfortunately, I gotta work...



#79 of 206 by mziemba on Thu May 29 14:50:14 1997:

And, he appears on a new Waterlilly Acoustics release with V.M. Bhatt. 
_Sultanna_ is the name, if I recall.  I've heard it's pretty good, too.  As
I've heard previous Waterlilly albums and enjoy Shaheen, I might try this one
out, too.



#80 of 206 by mcnally on Thu May 29 22:42:04 1997:

  Hmm..  Didn't know he was going to be in-store at Schoolkids'
  That's cool!  Shaheen will also be playing a free concert in
  Chene (sp?) Park -- that's all the info I've got but you can
  call 313-496-2029.

  Why do these things always happen on the weekends when I've
  got plans?  Oh well, at least I'll get to see Yo La Tengo
  this weekend..


#81 of 206 by raven on Fri May 30 04:15:38 1997:

Where and when is the park concert?  I will most likely working Saturday
afternoo, and early evening but I'll be free before and after and would love to
see him play.


#82 of 206 by mcnally on Fri May 30 07:09:42 1997:

  Sorry, I think the park concert is on Sunday..  That, and the phone
  number I mentioned are the only pieces of information I have about
  the concert..


#83 of 206 by mziemba on Wed Jun 4 13:26:08 1997:

For those interested in checking out Simon Shaheen, I came across _The
Music of Mohamed Abdel Wahab_ at the Ann Arbor Public Library, in the
Middle Eastern section.  Schoolkids' music also got ahold of the same
album, recently.



#84 of 206 by krj on Thu Jun 5 04:45:14 1997:

Scandinavia dept:  There are new American releases for Hedningarna
and Hoven Droven, two of the Swedish bands I keep raving about.
The Hedningarna album is HIPPJOKK, a straight issue of their current
Swedish release.  Hoven Droven's disc is GROOVE, a compilation from
their two albums; I agree with the selection the compiler made.
These are on the new Northside label, an imprint of ESD.


#85 of 206 by mziemba on Fri Jun 6 09:38:13 1997:

I'm kinda interested in hearing some Hedningarna.  I liked Vartina, from what
I've heard, so far...



#86 of 206 by mziemba on Sun Jun 8 05:53:50 1997:

Listening to Mari Boine's new one, _Radiant Warmth_ (1996) as I type.  Boine
is a Sami storyteller of great power and spirit.  I'm enjoying it a great
deal, only three songs into the album.  The Sami, who reside mostly in Norway,
were traditionally reindeer herders, and musically bear some resemblance to
Native Americans.  This particular album features a good deal of interesting
drumming, well balanced with other intruments, traditional and modern.  Seems
both faithful to the past and comfortable with the present.  Worth checking
out!  I ran across mine at the library.



#87 of 206 by senna on Sun Jun 8 06:48:15 1997:

AEnima, Tool


#88 of 206 by kewy on Sun Jun 8 14:05:28 1997:

steve, this is the world music item, not what yer listening to;) heh, carry
on.


#89 of 206 by mziemba on Sun Jun 8 18:30:46 1997:

Wow...Mari Boine is good.  She reminds me a lot of Native American Buffy
Sainte-Marie, in style, energy, and subject matter.  _Radiant Warmth_
is a fantastic album.  I'll have to check out _Gula Gula_(1989).

There was some mention of yoiking, earlier, and this album apparently
features it.  Yoiking is seemingly a powerful repetition of phrases with a
spiritual and magical emphasis.  It has some connection with an adult
right of passage in Sami culture, as well.
 
Upon further research, it seems that Boine has been active in pointing out
repression, both of indigenous people and women.  This might make her a
little difficult, but it seems that she approaches the subjects with some
measure of understanding.



#90 of 206 by senna on Mon Jun 9 01:16:05 1997:

It is?  sometimes I can't tell.
Besides, my head is playing tricks on me, or it was then.  The Wings had just
pulled it out.


#91 of 206 by krj on Tue Jun 10 04:58:10 1997:

I cracked open another long-sealed disc today, Mari Boine's new live 
album EALLIN.  (Don't you hate when releases in the USA and the rest 
of the world get out of sync?  RADIANT WARMTH is a compilation from 
two European albums, one of which I don't have, the other of which 
is LEAHKASTIN/UNFOLDING; to make matters even more confusing 
RADIANT WARMTH shares the cover art of EALLIN.  But enough about 
marketing...)  I don't know Mari Boine's catalog well enough to 
compare the live versus studio versions, but I really enjoyed the 
7-10 minute grooves the band gets into at several points; I think 
there was a good energy flowing between the band and the audience.
I think I've enjoyed this more than the other Mari Boine discs I have.

As I mentioned somewhere up above, Mari Boine reminds *me* of a 
Smithsonian/Folkways collection I have heard, WOMEN OF FIRST NATIONS.


#92 of 206 by mziemba on Tue Jun 10 06:37:19 1997:

"Good groove" is exactly what I would use to describe what I heard on
_Radiant Warmth_, actually.  There's some really good percussion and bass
grooves going on, and everyone seems to really be in sync with each other.
Very impressive...



#93 of 206 by mziemba on Sat Jun 28 19:10:27 1997:

Ken-  Just listened to Hedningarna's _Tra_.  Very cool...


#94 of 206 by mziemba on Sat Jul 19 09:47:09 1997:

Go to the fair!  Witness operatives of the Covert Andean Musical People's
Front!  They'll be following you...


#95 of 206 by krj on Wed Jul 23 19:34:19 1997:

Were we overrun by Andean bands again?  Heh.  
 
Mark in #89: there is an interview with Mari Boine in the August/September
issue of FOLK ROOTS magazine.  I can't remember if you still get that 
regularly.
 
Mark in #76:  I have a vague memory of the short promotional campaign 
for SONGS FROM THE VICTORIOUS CITY when it came out: Tower was pushing it.
A year or so ago I heard a cut from it on a CBC broadcast; the announcer
said that it was unlikely that one could still find copies of it.  
I kind of liked it, too.  Sigh.  Will have to warm up the hunting energy.
 
Mark, from a party chat some time back: write something about Madredeus?


#96 of 206 by mziemba on Fri Jul 25 08:26:37 1997:

Ken-  I'm having trouble finding _Folk Roots_, actually.  It seems to appear
intermittantly at Tower, or other people are getting to it before I am.  I
suppose a subscription is in order, one of these days.  I love that
magazine...


#97 of 206 by mziemba on Fri Jul 25 08:35:05 1997:

Ken-  I've seen _Songs From the Victorious City_, around.  Let me know if you
want me to chase it down for you.  I suspect you'd really enjoy Shaheen's
album, _The Music of Mohamed Abdel Wahab_, even more, if you liked that one.


#98 of 206 by mcnally on Fri Jul 25 18:34:07 1997:

  At Borders yesterday I discovered that the long hard-to-find
  Material album "Seven Souls" has been re-released with a different
  track order.  I happen to have liked the old track order but any
  re-release of this album is better than it perishing in obscurity.

  I very strongly recommend this album if you want to hear some pretty
  cool stuff mixing William S. Burroughs & egyptian influenced music..


#99 of 206 by krj on Fri Jul 25 19:25:29 1997:

Mark, you won't be finding FOLK ROOTS at Tower any time soon.  
The editor reported that they got into a billing dispute, with Tower claiming
they never received one issue and refusing to pay for it.
 
I started to subscribe once the magazine began offering two free 
sampler CDs per year; I figured that the free CDs would accelerate the 
flight of issues out of the store.
 
The only reliable place I know to get FOLK ROOTS on a per-issue basis 
in the USA is House of Musical Traditions in Takoma Park, which does 
mail order.
 
Thanks for the offer on SONGS FROM THE VICTORIOUS CITY; with your 
report that copies were in town, I went to Encore this morning and snagged 
one.


#100 of 206 by mcnally on Sat Jul 26 03:41:59 1997:

  Out of curiosity did they have more than one?  I used to listen to that when
  a former housemate owned it but when he moved out I never acquired it for
  myself..


#101 of 206 by mziemba on Sat Jul 26 08:30:15 1997:

Ken-  the last _Folk Roots_ I was able to get from Tower was the April issue.
But the Ann Arbor store seemed to get it rather sporadically, anyway.  Oh,
well.  Subscription time, then...


#102 of 206 by mziemba on Sat Jul 26 08:33:37 1997:

Ken-  Wonderful!  I'm delighted to hear that you found it.  I'll transfer the
offer to Mike, then, if he thinks he might have trouble locating it.


#103 of 206 by mziemba on Tue Aug 5 08:07:52 1997:

Well, talked to the wonderful woman I see there all the time at Main Street
News about _Folk Roots_.  She seemed pretty interested, took down some contact
info from my last, lonely, dog-eared April issue.  Perhaps we'll see it here
in Ann Arbor, yet!


#104 of 206 by mziemba on Tue Aug 5 09:52:43 1997:

I don't really have my notes together, at the moment, but here's a quick memo
about Madredeus...

Madredeus is a modern Portuguese champion of the "new fado".  

Fado, itself, is not new -- it's comprised of traditional Portuguese songs
of sadness.  The term was apparently coined in the early 1900s, but the
music was germinating in the early 1800s, as a result of the growing
integration of African and South American people in Lisbon from Portugal's
imperialist era.

It's not surprising, then, that it bears some resemblance to Cape Verdean
morna, currently exemplified by Cesaria Evora, or maintains some
similarity to the tango of Argentina which can be heard recently in Astor
Piazzolla's works, or the Algerian rai of Cheikha Remitti, or even the
Gypsy flamenco, or American blues.  All of these styles share dark,
earthy, emotional roots, and all have arisen from what imperialism
uprooted and the advance of industrialization forced:  culture was
threatened, people were moved, and urbanization occurred.  The result?  A
deep, sad longing.

Madredeus has updated fado by tasteful instrumental complementation.
Synthesizer keyboards are ever-so-gently worked occasionally into the
music.  

Perhaps the most amazing feature of the Madredeus, however, is the
crystalline voice of lead singer Teresa Salguero.  An apt comparison would
be the soprano of Emma Kirkby.  Pure, powerful, and heavenly...  You may
not understand Portuguese, but Salguero will make you cry.

Two recordings to check into:  their first international release -- _o
espirito da paz_ (1994) and the soundtrack to Wim Wender's _Lisbon Story_
(1996) (a no-doubt somewhat autiobiographical story of a filmmaker's
infatuation with a female fadista).  Both are absolutely amazing, by the
way.
 





#105 of 206 by mziemba on Sun Aug 10 17:01:47 1997:

I realized that I may not have mentioned another favorite band from a far
corner of the earth...
 
For years, I've been listening to a great German rock band called BAP.  I
first learned about them from hearing an album in German class that
someone had brought back from a trip.  Of course, I don't understand all
of it, since it's in German, and, to make matters even more complex, in a
dialect (Baeyern, if I recall).  I was able to secure two of their albums
from an American music importing mail order business, several years ago. 
It's great stuff, too.  And they're not only good, but intelligent.  One
of their songs, "Kristallnaach" deals with the infamous night of
brutality.  They've also been involved in some anti-racist concerts.



#106 of 206 by orinoco on Tue Aug 12 15:47:27 1997:

Speaking of language classes...
my first introduction to that damn Macarena song was a little while before
it became deathly popular, when someone brought the original version from
Spain or wherever into a Spanish class that I was in.  At the time, I somewhat
liked it.  Since, I've changed my mind. :)


#107 of 206 by lumen on Fri Aug 15 02:34:17 1997:

I actually heard the original song on a Spanish radio station while I was
driving in my car.  The static was really bad, so it was hard to understand.
Then I bought an album titled _club cutz_ for John Scatman's "Scatman" track
on it.  The Bayside Boys mix of the Macarena was also on it.

Now at the time, the Macarena wasn't wildly popular yet.  But I figured it
was a really good song, and that it would be popular because English lyrics
had been put to it.

Ironically, when the song did become popular in the Anglo part of the U.S.,
I was told it had been sweeping Latin America for quite some time before. 
Indeed, it had been almost a year since I had heard the original Fe-mix, until
the time I heard the Bayside Boys one.  My high school Spanish teacher said
that the grade school kids in Mexico had been dancing it all over the place.
By the time the craze had crested, Hispanic Americans had already gone on to
a new dance step fever.

I wouldn't doubt the song is from Spain.  I was at a music store today and
found a copy of the sheet music with full Spanish lyrics (which I then finally
understood reading them, because Hispanics run vowels of adjoining words
together).  The song is all about Macarena, who has a bf by the last name of
Vitorino, how she moved to New York, etc.

But believe me, Anglos aren't the only ones who can run a song into the
ground.  My sister Kris (marsha) almost got sick of The President's "Coco
Jambo" because one of the members of her host family played it off the wall
when she was in Mexico.


#108 of 206 by mcnally on Fri Aug 15 05:11:58 1997:

  I remember hearing it several places in Puerto Vallarta when I visited.
  That was about a year before it really became a monster hit here..


#109 of 206 by mziemba on Fri Aug 15 09:15:51 1997:

If I had a dime for every time the Macarena was played...


#110 of 206 by orinoco on Fri Aug 15 15:32:24 1997:

...you'd be drowning.

The one thing I recall about the lyrics...which we did translate in that
Spanish class...is that the boyfriend's name, Vitorino, means 'cuckold'.


#111 of 206 by jiffer on Fri Aug 15 22:54:32 1997:

make yourself rich, make it a dollar!


#112 of 206 by lumen on Sat Aug 16 08:21:27 1997:

Interesting-- Vitorino means 'cuckold'?  Ah, the lyrics make total sense now!


#113 of 206 by mziemba on Sat Aug 16 10:39:16 1997:

I'm really wary of any song that has its own dance.  I mean, just look at
the examples:  the hokey-pokey, the chicken dance, the macarena... 



#114 of 206 by jiffer on Sun Aug 17 01:39:01 1997:

but for young children these songs help them learn to corrdinate themselves
and learn that isn't okay at times to look like a complete idiot!  =)   I
personally think the hokey-pokey rocks, but there are also some songs
(traditional ones) that have their own dances that are much more dignifying.
 .


#115 of 206 by orinoco on Sun Aug 17 02:07:51 1997:

The twist, perhaps?  
lumen - cuckold means a man with an unfaithful girlfriend/wife.
When my translations need translation I know I'm in trouble...


#116 of 206 by lumen on Sun Aug 17 03:48:45 1997:

Orinoco - yes, I know.  That's why I said it made total sense!


#117 of 206 by orinoco on Sun Aug 17 17:12:45 1997:

Okay, I figured you were being sarcastic.


#118 of 206 by lumen on Mon Aug 18 21:26:01 1997:

*lumen chuckles*


#119 of 206 by mziemba on Tue Aug 19 07:50:03 1997:

Well, if you haven't heard, already, noted Pakistani qwaali singer Nusrat
Fateh Ali Khan passed away, the other day.  The past decade saw Khan's
talents begin to gain recognition in the United States after work with
Peter Gabriel's soundtrack to _The Last Temptation of Christ_ (the album
officially titled _Passion_) and with Eddie Vedder from Pearl Jam on the
_Dead Man Walking_ soundtrack.  Although it's disappointing to lose him on
the cusp of such recent discovery, here, I'm sure that mourners can take
comfort in how much his music brought people of different ages, beliefs,
and places just a little closer together.



#120 of 206 by mziemba on Mon Sep 15 09:47:49 1997:

I mentioned Cesaria Evora in passing in my response relating the Portuguese
"fado" to other styles of music.  If you`re interested in catching a
performance of the well-received Cape Verdean, for yourself, look no further
than the Michigan Theater, Friday, October 17, 1997.  Should be a nice show.


#121 of 206 by mziemba on Fri Sep 19 07:48:47 1997:

Just picked up Rounder's _The Alan Lomax Collection Sampler_.  A handy
introduction to a fairly extensive series.  The sizeable included booklet
describes each cycle of recordings, represented on disc usually with about
four pieces.  A nice overview of Lomax's career and vision is provided, as
well.


#122 of 206 by mziemba on Sun Oct 26 09:41:46 1997:

Just a reminder that Hungarian ethnic music group Muzsikas, featuring
Marta Sebestyen, will be performing at the Ark tomorrow, Monday the 27th
of October, 8P.

Highly recommended...



#123 of 206 by bruin on Sun Oct 26 14:51:38 1997:

RE #122 I believe that Muzsikas appeared with Garrison Keillor on last 
night's broadcast of "A Prairie Home Companion."


#124 of 206 by krj on Sun Oct 26 16:02:52 1997:

Really?  I'll have to set up to tape the repeat on WUOM -- at 1 pm
Sunday, if anyone cares, and sees this in time.


#125 of 206 by mziemba on Sun Oct 26 17:29:21 1997:

Hmmmm...it's almost 1p, now...maybe I'll flip on the radio...


#126 of 206 by jiffer on Mon Oct 27 03:36:51 1997:

i heard that! I didn't know they did some of the music for the English
Peteint, great movie with great music.

I am currently getting interested in Egyptian vocalistic music... so if you
know anything, casn recomend anything, etc... give me a e of a mail.  More
to come as i get educated and aquainted wiht this.


#127 of 206 by orinoco on Tue Oct 28 23:55:15 1997:

Yeah, let me know what you run across.  All I've seen in this regard are some
vocal samples on My Life in the Bush of Ghosts - hardly a representative
sample -but I'm quite curious.


#128 of 206 by krj on Fri Nov 21 19:26:36 1997:

Q for Mike McNally: what, if anything, do you know about a ska anthology
titled THE THIRD WAVE on Shanachie?  It was being played in Borders, 
sounded kind of catchy...
 
In general I'd be curious for recommendations for some ska albums which 
won't trigger my audiophile allergies...  a lot of the classic ska 
such as Desmond Dekker seems to have been recorded in lo-fi 
circumstances.


#129 of 206 by mcnally on Sat Nov 22 04:21:54 1997:

  I'm afraid lo-fi is pretty much what you get with the best early ska
  recordings -- the musicians recorded in tiny studios under less-than-ideal
  conditions on shoestring budgets and until fairly late in the game when
  some of the bigger producer figures dominated the recording scene 
  production was minimal and primitive.  Chris Goosman might be better
  qualified to comment on this than I am, seeing as he's both a ska fan
  *and* a recording-engineer-type-person..

  I don't know anything specifically about "The Third Wave" but usually
  "Third Wave" ska is fairly recent (the original Jamaican ska was the
  first wave, the Two Tone bands like The Specials & The (English) Beat
  were the second, and the third wave encompasses as much as late 80's
  to the present..)  I'm more into "first wave" ska than any of the others,
  however I'd be more than happy to put together a listening list and a
  stack of CDs for you to borrow..


#130 of 206 by orinoco on Sun Nov 23 17:34:57 1997:

Hmm...Most ska fans I know tend to be pretty insulting towards Third Wave,
but I really haven't heard much earlier to compare it to, so I wouldn't know
myself.


#131 of 206 by mcnally on Sun Nov 23 18:30:42 1997:

 It tends to work better live.  I don't think the third wave recordings
 have the staying power of the classic first wave stuff (or even that of
 the 2nd wave stuff, much of which still sounds good to me..)


#132 of 206 by diznave on Mon Nov 24 20:03:42 1997:

Dan, I recommend some of The Wailers early stuff. They made some good 'first
wave' ska. Its fairly easy to find. I think there's even some on Bob Marley's
box set.


#133 of 206 by mcnally on Tue Nov 25 14:48:55 1997:

 (Dan?)

 I'm a Skatalites fanatic.  Haven't been wowed by anything they've done
 lately but I think their early work was the backbone of the ska scene.


#134 of 206 by krj on Tue Nov 25 17:45:42 1997:

Oh dear.  And here I am listening to The Skatalites/HI-BOP SKA, 
billed as "The 30th Anniversary Recording," from 1994.  
I picked this one out because it has jazz player Monty Alexander
playing on piano on several tracks, and Leslie & I like him a lot.

The sound quality is beautiful, heh.  There was another recording 
over at Flat Black & Circular, which was supposed to be most of 
The Skatalites playing under a different name -- maybe I'll go pick 
that up after lunch.

(For some odd reason, some of my shopping has been influenced by 
mcnally this month.)


#135 of 206 by mcnally on Wed Nov 26 02:14:44 1997:

 My birthday's in November so that's when my amazing mind-control
 powers are at their peak.  

 There's nothing particularly wrong with "Hi-Bop Ska", especially if
 you're not familiar with the earlier stuff.  I just think the earlier
 stuff is more creative and energetic, at this point in their careers
 they don't have a lot new to say.  They still put on a great show, though..  


#136 of 206 by goose on Wed Nov 26 19:14:47 1997:

That is soooooo true Mike.  I consider myself to be *extremely* luck to have
actually seen the Skatalites once, but I've been able to see them nearly a
half a dozen times.  In some ways it's like watching my grandfather on stage.

The 'lo-fi'-ness of the "first wave" or "traditional" ska is just a symptom
of the recording conditions of the day in Jamaica.  Also, the fact that many
of the versions that get released are many generations removed from the
'original masters'.  The technology they were using in the early to mid 60's
was roughly equal to what the US had in the early 50's.  The music shines
through in any case.

I'd pretty much follow Mike's Ska Timeline (tm) with a small exception at the
end.  Third wave I'd hazard ended in the early 90's (92ish) and now most
modern ska is a blend of genres i.e. Ska-Core, or Punk-Ska.  A good example
of post-third wave is The Mighty Mighty Bosstones, or Buck O'Nine.

Locally we have an excellent outfit called the Articles who are more in the
traditional vein of Ska with a little third wave thrown in.


#137 of 206 by orinoco on Wed Nov 26 23:17:25 1997:

I've heard people refer to a 'fourth wave' of Ska - would the Ska-Core, etc.
that you refer to be what they're talking about?


#138 of 206 by goose on Thu Nov 27 05:15:30 1997:

yep, sorry.  i meant to mention the new ska is the 'fourth wave'


#139 of 206 by orinoco on Thu Nov 27 19:32:25 1997:

Aha.  It all becomes clear.


#140 of 206 by eeyore on Sat Nov 29 08:30:25 1997:

Well, I'm a little disappointed in Mark now...:)  Unless I scanned past it,
he never mentioned Seamus Egan....If any of you have seen the movie Brothers
McMullen, He did all of the music for it, plus as done instruomental
backgrounds for many other artists.  He's a Celtic instomentulist....plays
probably 10 or more instroments....Wonderful music...:)

There's a german a-capella group calle Prinzen that's really wonderful...but
I don't know if it's possible to get any of their stuff in America...


#141 of 206 by krj on Mon Dec 1 05:11:19 1997:

Probably any mention of Seamus Egan would be in the Celtic music item.
We must keep our pigeonholes straight and tidy!
 
Wednesday, I picked up that other ska album I'd mentioned, TRICIA & THE 
SUPERSONICS.  Supposedly the Supersonics are the Skatalites under 
another name.  This disc seems fairly lifeless to me; Tricia sounds 
like she was recorded using authentic early 60's Jamaica studio 
technology.  
 
There's a party denizen named TwoTone who thinks most stuff on the 
Moon Ska records label should be pretty good, but this album was a bust.
 
I did hear, at Schoolkids today, a decent-sounding compilation of the 
Skatalites; this is new on one of the Rounder Records imprints, a 
2-CD set.


#142 of 206 by mziemba on Mon Dec 1 06:00:00 1997:

We have a Celtic music item?  Gosh, I didn't even know...
 
I saw Solas when they were in town a year or so ago.  Ms. Horan, their
fiddler, was very generous and spent quite a bit of time talking with some
folks after the show.  I've been meaning to pick up a Cherish the Ladies
album, sometime (another band that Horan was in).


#143 of 206 by mziemba on Mon Dec 1 06:00:45 1997:

And, wow...thanks for coming over, Megan!


#144 of 206 by orinoco on Mon Dec 1 21:55:07 1997:

Of course we have a celtic music item, silly.


#145 of 206 by lumen on Tue Dec 2 07:11:43 1997:

I'm sure Mark was being sarcastic..haven't you posted over there, Mark?


#146 of 206 by mziemba on Tue Dec 2 16:15:15 1997:

No, I haven't, actually.  But that's easily corrected...


#147 of 206 by diznave on Wed Dec 3 17:40:52 1997:

Actually, can anybody think of a style of music that we *don't* have an item
for? We appear to have quite the diverse selection.


#148 of 206 by orinoco on Thu Dec 4 02:32:03 1997:

Australian?  Polka?  Gregorian Chant?


#149 of 206 by mcnally on Thu Dec 4 05:35:23 1997:

 re #147:  You don't want to throw out a challenge like that in this
 newsgroup, really..

 there're plenty of styles for which we don't have a corresponding item,
 including many of my favorites.  we do get around to discussing quite
 a lot, though..


#150 of 206 by mziemba on Tue Dec 9 08:18:45 1997:

Well, after much doubt about the possibility of making the show, I finally
caught Beausoleil this week at the Ark.  Wow!  What a blast!  Fiddle, guitar,
accordion, drums, bass and percussion -- six guys, altogether -- blasting out
the spicy cajun tunes and a little good humor.  They cleared the aisles for
dancing, and people were out on the floor for most of the show.  Warm fun on
a cold winter night...


#151 of 206 by diznave on Wed Dec 10 04:30:56 1997:

Hmmmm....by Australian, do you mean Aborigine (sp?) ? And I think I've seen
Polka and Gregorian Chant mentioned once or twice in various items (true, they
don't exactly have their *own* items). Mike, what are some of your favorites
that don't have an item?


#152 of 206 by mcnally on Wed Dec 10 06:20:50 1997:

  Dub, ska, surf, just to name three things I listen to regularly..
  I can't swear that they don't have items (there *might* be a ska item)
  but you get the point..  Lately I've also been starting to listen to
  more "alternative" and "insurgent" country, though I don't have much
  of either..


#153 of 206 by mziemba on Wed Dec 10 17:40:12 1997:

I know I mentioned something about an album of aboriginal music here, a while
back.  And I'm into Yothu Yindi, too...


#154 of 206 by lumen on Wed Dec 10 18:43:48 1997:

What's insurgent country?


#155 of 206 by krj on Wed Dec 10 21:30:47 1997:

The insurgent country item is item:18 which has lain fallow since July.


#156 of 206 by orinoco on Wed Dec 10 22:38:14 1997:

Surf music?  Hm...I've not heard much of that beyond the usual oldies-station
fare, but knowing the denizens here, I'm sure there's something more
interesting afoot...


#157 of 206 by mziemba on Thu Dec 11 07:12:05 1997:

Oh, certainly...there's loads beyond Dick Dale and the Beach Boys.  Some
pretty intersting new bands like Laika and the Cosmonauts and Man or
Astroman?...  good stuff...


#158 of 206 by mcnally on Thu Dec 11 08:17:06 1997:

  Yep, there seems to have been something of a surf revival lately.
  It had a small followingalready going when "Pulp Fiction" was released
  and suddenly surf music was cool for fifteen minutes -- I can only guess
  that during those fifteen minutes a number of bands were successful in
  signing with labels because there're a bunch who're still operating and
  getting quite wide distribution.

  I recommend the excellent collection "Beyond the Beach" (if you can still
  find it, it's been a copule of years..) for a good sampling of bands..
  When I've got time to listen to it, I plan to pick up the new Aqua Velvets
  record..  Took a listen in the store and it sounded pretty cool..


#159 of 206 by scott on Thu Dec 11 17:12:33 1997:

There's also a local surf compilation called "Surfing the Spillway", which
you can get at Schoolkids or (better yet) at Boss Guitars on North Main.


#160 of 206 by krj on Mon Feb 23 19:54:19 1998:

This week's whim from Schoolkids Records was LA BANDA, a two-CD set 
from the Enja label.  The banda is the village brass band in Italy -- 
I think the term also pops up in Mexico.  Volume I of the set is 
brass band arrangements of popular opera themes from the 1800's and 
early 1900's; the notes talk about how such arrangements spread the 
music into towns and villages where people were too poor to afford 
to be able to attend the opera themselves.  
 
Volume II, which I hope to get to in a couple of days, is the same 
musicians taking on contemporary jazz themes.

I'm eating this up like candy, but then I was raised on Herb Alpert 
& The Tijuana Brass, and played for years in a junior high school band.
(I was willing to take a flyer on it because I recognized almost all the 
opera tune titles; and because Enja is generally a pretty good label 
for me.)


#161 of 206 by lumen on Wed Feb 25 02:20:26 1998:

I've been a brass player in the past and I think this would be very, very
interesting.


#162 of 206 by mziemba on Sun Jun 28 13:57:59 1998:

The legendary Malian singer Salif Keita, among others, will be appearing on
July 2 in Detroit.  I'll have to check the venue, but it's part of an African
festival.  Highly recommended!


#163 of 206 by krj on Sun Jun 28 17:40:11 1998:

Also, Baaba Maal has a July date at the Ark, if I remember the 
Observer listing correctly.


#164 of 206 by mziemba on Fri Jul 3 12:15:08 1998:

Yes, Baaba Maal is at the Ark on Wednesday, July 22, at 8P.


#165 of 206 by orinoco on Sun Jul 5 22:41:54 1998:

I just got my hands on a tape by a band doing both traditional and more modern
African drumming called Talking Drums - I'll post a review when I've given
it more than a cursory listen.


#166 of 206 by krj on Sun Sep 13 17:05:19 1998:

<krj prods orinoco for the review mentioned in item #165.  :)  >
 
np: "Africa Never Stand Still," an anthology box.  This was one of the 
first of the compilations from Ellipsis Arts; I bought it years ago 
but then I gave up on African music for a while, so it has been gathering
dust until I opened it up today.  I suspect I should just stick to 
compilation CDs for a while in this field; I have found that I really
like African radio programs, with a mix of performers, but single 
artist CDs tend to drag for me.


#167 of 206 by orinoco on Mon Sep 14 13:49:39 1998:

Actualy, I still haven't given it the 'more than cursory listen'. It's just
languishing in my tape drawer right now. I'll pull it out again tonight.


#168 of 206 by mziemba on Sat Sep 19 12:16:05 1998:

Well, I'm finally enjoying the Buena Vista Social Club, with Ry Cooder and
friends.  Good stuff!


#169 of 206 by mziemba on Wed Jan 13 18:23:51 1999:

Listening now to !Cubanismo!'s _Reencarnacion_ (1998).  Wow!  We've been
missing out on some musical treasures, south of Florida.  Virtuoso musicians
taking back party music...


#170 of 206 by mziemba on Wed Jan 13 18:25:38 1999:

...and you can catch them *live*, April 16, 1999, courtesy of University
Musical Society...


#171 of 206 by mziemba on Sat Jan 30 16:07:41 1999:

NEWS FLASH:  This came in too late to add to the local events calendar, but
Mali's Salif Keita will be appearing in town, Saturday, February 20, at Pease
Auditorium, EMU, 8P!  Tickets are $18, through the EMU Ticket Office.  I
missed him when he was around, last time, and I don't intend to, this time.
His voice is legendary!


#172 of 206 by krj on Tue Feb 23 04:14:52 1999:

I got some mail from the former M-net user sky today.  She wrote:

> A friend of mine is being haunted by some music in an Audi commercial and
> I thought I'd see if you or Leslie might be able to "name that tune." She
> says the commercial takes place in a foreign country and the car drives
> along in front of old Roman ruins or buildings in slow motion and the
> background music is a choral piece that sounds like medieval church music.
> Have you seen that commercial? Know the music? She's hoping to be able to
> get a recording of the piece somewhere.

And I wrote back:

If it's the commercial where the car splashes through a puddle, then 
I know the music very well.  The song title is "Polegnala e Todora,"
and it is the last track on the first album titled 
LE MYSTERE DES VOIX BULGARES.  CD Now shows 4 other CDs which 
contain this song.

A French guy named Marcel Cellier went to Bulgaria in the late 60's(?)
and recorded The Bulgarian State Radio & TV Female Vocal Choir, under 
the direction of Philip Khoutev.   Cellier released the album 
in France with the title LE MYSTERE etc. etc.  and the album 
became a bit of a cult classic for years.  In 1986 it resurfaced when 
the trendy British label 4AD, which specialized in ethereal women singers 
such as the Cocteau Twins, re-released it, and since then it's been
recognized as one of the landmark albums of "world music," whatever
the heck that is.

The Bulgarian State Radio & TV Female Vocal Choir started touring the world
after the 4AD release.  They decided they needed a catchier name, so 
they grabbed the French phrase "Le Mystere etc." even though they 
are Bulgarians.  They have released maybe eight albums by now.
"Polegnala e Todora" is their big pop hit; it's even been 
arranged for a brass ensemble by David Byrne.  The Byrne connection
is how I first learned about the Bulgarian singers. 

The downside:  The original LE MYSTERE DES VOIX BULGARES album, even 
though is a classic and a gem, is hissy.  Audi is using a more recent
recording of the same arrangement.  CD Now shows that one of the 
places which the track has appeared is on a New Age compilation
called "Invocation," and there is a RealAudio sample of 
"Polegnala e Todora" on there, if any of this does your friend any 
good.

So, your friend's choices are probably:

1) buy the original classic, if she wants to hear 35 minutes of music
   in this wonderful formal Bulgarian style and can put up with the 
   hiss.  (This would be my choice, and you know how fussy I am about
   sound quality.)

2) buy the INVOCATION compilation, if she wants to hear a more 
   "New Age-y" mix of styles, and PROBABLY a more modern recording.

----------

And, since I haven't written much else for the conference lately, I 
thought I would stick this in.


#173 of 206 by bjuarez on Tue Feb 23 21:46:52 1999:

Read over the responses over the last 3 years and see little mention of Latin
America, then again, my preferences from that region of the world might not
be considered "world music"... oh well...


#174 of 206 by mcnally on Wed Feb 24 06:22:32 1999:

  Depends on your definition of Latin America, I guess..

  Well, Marc mentioned a Cuban recording within the last five responses
  We don't really hear much music here from Central America, most of
  the music we get that comes from this hemisphere (excluding Canadian
  and American music) comes from the Caribbean, South America, or Mexico.
  There seems to be a big geographical music gap from Guatemala to Panama.

  Mexican pop doesn't do much for me, I'm afraid, but I like a lot of the
  music that comes out of Cuba and Brazil.  And there was a very nice
  (and very accessible to American tastes) album released a few years ago
  called "The Soul of Black Peru" that I can recommend very highly..


#175 of 206 by munkey on Wed Feb 24 19:13:28 1999:

I can't say I am into all Central American music, although I lived in El
Salvador for the first 6 years of my life and was able to get a feel of music
such as Mambo, Salsa, Merengue, Cumbia and also Rock in Central America. My
parents listen to that stuff alot so I appreciate the music. What I listen
nowadays in spanish, are ballads. I listen to people like Ana Gabriel,
Cristian, Emmanuel, Laura Pausini and Soraya (my favorites). I also listen
to rock bands such as Cafe Tacuba, Fobia and Mana (my favorite). But then
again this music does not come from Central Ameri, it varies, from Mexico to
Italy. And yes Re:#174 Brazilian music is really fun to listen and dance to.
I went to a dance club called Copa Cubana and it was Brazil Night that night
and the floor would not stop shaking all night ;) and it was really really
crowded and they had a big wide screen tv playing films from various carnivals
in Brazil , the best thing about it was that they had a live brazilian band
playing that night. oops I made an error the club's name was Copa Cabana. But
i think there were too many breasts to see on that big screen that night ;)


#176 of 206 by bjuarez on Wed Feb 24 21:33:20 1999:

well, I don't know if I consider "rock en espanyol" as being world music, but
I am definitely into it... (I have all of Cafe Tacuba and Fobia's albums in
my collection).  But Mana doesn't really do anything for me... I guess I
consider them to be more "pop" than "rock".


#177 of 206 by krj on Wed Feb 24 22:38:41 1999:

World Music, in the pages of Ian A. Anderson's wonderful magazine
FOLK ROOTS, is now defined as:  "local music, not from here."
 
So one's definition of "world music" is clearly dependent on where
your "here" is.  :)


#178 of 206 by munkey on Thu Feb 25 08:24:53 1999:

I missed the Grammies. I am watching an interview with Ricky Martin, an
ex-Menudo, from Puerto Rico. Apparently he won a Grammy for best latin pop
performance. He just started making the cross over from a latin audience to
an english audience and he's the first who's performance was actually
televised. Aside from Gloria Estefan but she's been around for a long time
so she doesn't count *teehee* j/k. So anyway Ricky is hot!


#179 of 206 by eeyore on Fri Feb 26 01:34:27 1999:

His proformance was AWSOME!  :)  Music wasn't my style, but it was alot of
fun to see him on the stavget having fun for the crowd, with the crowd.  :)


#180 of 206 by anderyn on Mon Mar 1 16:37:19 1999:

I got the coolest new album on Friday -- a Putumayo collection called
"From Dublin to Dakar". Normally, I like Putumayo all right, but not
enthusiastically, since usually, I *have* all the stuff on their collections,
and I'm just getting something to listen to at work, so I don't have to have
ten CDs sitting there, you know? But this....

"From Dublin to Dakar" is "African, Gypsy, Latin, Arabic, Indian,
Scandinavian, and Reggae elements combined with Celtic music to create a
unique cross-cultural music feast".... I was exceedingly pleased by
the number and the flow of this collection -- from Alan Stivell and Noussou
N'Dour to Modena City Ramblers to Cheb Mami to Aine Minogue to Rita Erikson
to Oysterband to Na Lua to Kila.... Just a really really nice album that
showcases how much influence Celtic music has had on world music, and how
world music is coming back and influencing Celtic music. 


#181 of 206 by eeyore on Mon Mar 1 16:59:48 1999:

I've been looking at a few of their albums...hmmmm....think I must get that
one....:)


#182 of 206 by otaking on Mon Mar 1 19:53:54 1999:

I'll have to try that one as well. I've been picking up compilation CDs of
new music I want to try since it's easier to buy one and hear several bands
than buy 10 different ones. I'll definitely pick up "From Dublin to Dakar"
though.


#183 of 206 by mziemba on Tue Apr 27 14:45:54 1999:

TUVANS RIDE AGAIN...

Catch a former member of Huun-Huur-Tu at The Ark with his new rock band,
Yat-Kha, Sunday, May 30 at 7:30pm.  Tuvan throat singing is undoubtedly
one of the most unusual vocal styles around, and it will be interesting to
hear it outside of the traditional presentation...



#184 of 206 by mcnally on Tue Apr 27 16:10:57 1999:

  Catch them where?


#185 of 206 by scott on Tue Apr 27 16:13:57 1999:

The Ark, dummy.  ;)


#186 of 206 by anderyn on Tue Apr 27 20:32:25 1999:

Yeppers. Of course, I'm going to see Great Big Sea on Saturday this 
week, and far too many other shows at the Ark. :-)


#187 of 206 by orinoco on Tue Apr 27 21:51:42 1999:

Oh wow.  That sounds very cool.


#188 of 206 by mcnally on Wed Apr 28 01:49:46 1999:

  I have no idea what Yat-Kha will sound like but I really liked 
  Hun-Huur-Tu when I caught them at the Ark a year or two ago..


#189 of 206 by krj on Tue Jul 6 02:26:24 1999:

News item:  Peter Gabriel's "Real World" label has switched USA 
distribution from Caroline to Narada.  It looks like a lot of the label's
back catalog is being allowed to lapse out of print; for example, 
Sheila Chandra's three Real World albums are replaced by one anthology,
and I think the Terem Quartet Russian albums are gone.  So, if there 
are any older Real World albums you have been thinking about buying, 
you might not want to stall too much longer on them.


#190 of 206 by mcnally on Tue Jul 6 05:47:50 1999:

hmmm..  I noticed that the RealWorld sampler had been released on Narada
but I hadn't known that Caroline was handling distribution before..


#191 of 206 by mcnally on Tue Jul 6 05:48:35 1999:

is the Sheila Chandra collection you spoke of different than the
'greatest hits' collection that's been out for quite some time?


#192 of 206 by krj on Tue Jul 6 21:33:11 1999:

Um, I dunno.  Which 'greatest hits' collection are you thinking of?
I found a web reference claiming that the "Moonsung" collection came 
out in April 1999, and I think that's the one I am thinking of.
"Weaving My Ancestors Voices," "The Zen Kiss" and "A BoneCroneDrone"
were the original 3 Real World albums of hers.



#193 of 206 by mcnally on Wed Jul 7 00:30:29 1999:

  Now that I think of it I think the "hits" collection came out before
  the RealWorld albums.  IIRC it's called "Silk"


#194 of 206 by krj on Wed Jul 7 06:03:28 1999:

Right, "Silk" was drawn from her Indipop albums, with some stuff 
from her "transitional" period after she emerged from her five year
break but before she signed to Real World.  I'd forgotten about SILK, 
even thought I have it in a box somewhere.  I was quite a bit of a 
Sheila Chandra fan in the earlier, poppier stages of her career.
(Geez, so she has done nine albums now, plus the two compilations...
I feel old, I remember buying her first album at Schoolkids, back 
when each one came personally autographed.)


#195 of 206 by krj on Wed Jul 19 15:56:40 2000:

NP:  Geoffrey Oryema, SPIRIT.  First album to be purchased because of 
those wonderful canned radio shows on http://www.wen.com.
 
Oryema is originally from Uganda, now resident in Paris and recording 
in London with pop producer Rupert Hine.  This is very pop stuff, 
but it's really good pop.  It struck me that in its rock/African 
fusion it can be reminiscent of Talking Heads in the REMAIN IN LIGHT
period.  Perhaps to make the connection explicit, Oryema includes
a cover of the Heads' song "Listening Wind" from that album, 
Byrne's song of nationalist terrorism.
 
This album brings up my frustrations with the experience of trying to 
read about music.  I've been aware of Oryema since he started recording
for Peter Gabriel's Real World label, and never did I read anything
which made me think I would like Oryema's work.  But when I get to 
hear a couple of songs by him on http://www.wen.com radio shows by 
Charlie Gillett, it turns out that I like him a lot.


#196 of 206 by mcnally on Wed Jul 19 21:02:01 2000:

  The similarity to the Talking Heads goes deeper than that -- Brian Eno
  helped out on Oryema's previous album, "Exile"

  (Ken, you've probably heard at least one track from that, as there was
  one on the "10 out of 10" RealWorld sampler that Tower was selling last
  year..)


#197 of 206 by krj on Thu Jul 20 20:07:40 2000:

Oh dear.  I have no idea what became of my copy of that sampler, or 
if it even got played.  Did you like the "Exile" album, Mike, if 
you heard it?


#198 of 206 by mcnally on Thu Jul 20 22:30:48 2000:

  I liked "Exile" relatively well but predictably preferred the songs
  which featured more involvement from Eno and Gabriel.


#199 of 206 by krj on Mon Sep 4 05:48:19 2000:

Twila has a friend who travelled to Lithuania and brought back a copy
of a very good album by a Latvian band called Ilgi.  We didn't think
we were going to be able to find a copy of this, but tonight I did
some Google-digging and came up with three sources for the Ilgi
album we're heard -- "Saules Meita" -- plus two other albums.
 
www.upe.parks.lv    is the website of the label in Latvia which has an 
                    online shop.
 
www.sveiks.com      is a website in the US (I think) aimed at 
                    delivering Baltic news and geegaws to the heritage
                    communities in the states.
 
www.digelius.com    is the well-known Scandinavian music shop who have 
                    been around for years.  Unfortunately they only have 
                    catalog on line, not an order facility: they want you 
                    to use fax or snail mail for credit card orders.
                    I've had a Digelius order which I've been too lazy
                    to mail out since the spring.

I guess maybe the lure of the Ilgi album will get me to send off for the 
Digelius order.

Stylistically, Ilgi is very similar to the beloved Hedningarna from
Sweden.


#200 of 206 by anderyn on Mon Sep 4 21:52:06 2000:

There are MORE albums by them?! Coolness! (Twila is going to have to 
figure out a way to get some... heh heh heh.)


#201 of 206 by krj on Sat Mar 10 05:42:18 2001:

Hmmm, the new Ilgi album "Seju Veju" is pretty good.  (See last few 
responses...)

One of my favorite albums from last year just came out in a USA 
release, and it's in a play station in the downtown Borders if you're
curious.  Amadou & Mariam, "Tje Ni Moussou."  A blind married couple
from Mali, who have a lot of feel of the old Stax/Volt R&B sound 
to my ears.  This is essentially an African rock album.


#202 of 206 by mcnally on Sun Mar 11 00:35:33 2001:

  There was a recent NPR piece on Amadou & Mariam (if I'm not mistaken it
  was on last weekend's "All Things Considered")


#203 of 206 by jules on Wed Jun 6 04:42:43 2001:

sigur ros. they are from iceland. amazing. 


#204 of 206 by krj on Mon Jul 9 04:54:24 2001:

July 13-15 at Chene Park in Detroit: the Concert of Colors festival, 
which claims to be America's largest free world music festival.
http://www.concertofcolors.org is the web site.  As I'd mentioned, 
I was thinking of going to this, mostly to see the fabulous French
band Lo'Jo on Saturday afternoon.  But my calendar is too crowded.
 
The Polynesian band Te Vaka is also part of this festival, and 
they are going to do a free promotional show on Thursday, at 
Downtown Home and Garden, 7 pm, according to the listing in Current.
Te Vaka has been highly praised in Folk Roots magazine.


#205 of 206 by krj on Thu Jul 12 15:08:53 2001:

The free concert by Polynesian band Te Vaka has been cancelled,
according to the woman who answered the phone at Downtown Home & Garden.


#206 of 206 by bmoran on Mon Jul 30 17:58:27 2001:


Their manager called 2 days before the show to say their equipment didn't
arrive with them, so they had to cancell. Big bummer. Tho it was hard to
say how much fact stretching went on during the conversation. 
There was a good crowd for the Berea College folk dancers on Tuesday
night. I just had time to drive by slowly on my way to dinner, but it
looked like everyone was having fun.


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