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Item 255: Mac wireless internet networks.

Entered by rcurl on Wed Jul 21 05:50:12 2004:

74 new of 86 responses total.


#13 of 86 by rcurl on Tue Sep 7 20:24:51 2004:

Will using the Comcast SMTP server put comcast.net as the From address?


#14 of 86 by rcurl on Wed Sep 8 01:57:40 2004:

Re  #11: how do I do that, prp? I'm rather "lost" in there protocols. I
haven't created an e-mail account with Comcast, yet. Is this the first
step? 


#15 of 86 by rcurl on Wed Sep 8 03:07:04 2004:

Re #11: I figured it out myself. I just changed the outgoing mail server
to smtp.comcast.net - and it worked. I thought it was going to ask for
a password, and it did the first time (my comcast.net PW) but not thereafter.


#16 of 86 by gull on Wed Sep 8 04:41:29 2004:

Ah, okay.  I thought you'd already done that and it hadn't worked,
that's why I gave somewhat confusing advice.


#17 of 86 by rcurl on Wed Sep 8 05:40:28 2004:

I shouldn't have said I figured it out "myself" only: I did look at the
comcast.net forums and found some comments (full of jargon) that mentioned
smtp.comcast.net, so that's what I tried. Funny thing, though, I haven't
gotten an answer to my earlier e-mail to Comcast asking about this error
message - and their mail response says it "might take a few hours" for
a reponse. Maybe everyone was at the beach  for Labor Day.


#18 of 86 by rcurl on Wed Sep 8 19:35:19 2004:

What are the relative uses and merits of the various security options
available for wireless networks (and Airport wireless networks in 
particular)?  A variety of options are described in Airport Help - WPA,
WEP, Closed Network, port settings (SNMP access, etc), and maybe others,
but there are no suggestions on choosing them - or choosing them 
simultaneously (?). 



#19 of 86 by prp on Wed Sep 8 21:20:39 2004:

Re 17: I hate those automated messages that say "we got your message
and will respond".  That might be the right thing for @aol addresses,
but not in general.


#20 of 86 by rcurl on Sat Sep 11 20:21:32 2004:

I have enabled WEP 128-bit encryption on my wireless net as well as
"closed network". Although Airport supports both WEP and WPA encryption,
my net's wireless Adapter only supports WEP: but that's sufficient for a
home net, although not totally secure for a larger net with much more
activity. 

Doing this required a lot of puzzling over Adapter and Airport Help
documents (the Airport can be given a security passphrase, but the Adapter
requires its hex equivalent - which is available via the Airport Admin
Utility, although how is not mentioined in Airport Help - so it went,
along with several aborted attempts that required resetting the Airport
Base and starting over).



#21 of 86 by gull on Mon Sep 13 16:41:40 2004:

WEP will keep casual hackers out.  It's possible to break it, but doing
so requires eavesdropping on a fairly large volume of traffic.  If you
want to stay on the safe side, changing your keys monthly will probably
foil any attempts unless you really move a lot of data across the
wireless link.

Right now there are so many networks around with no encryption at all
that it's unlikely anyone will bother, unless there's something special
about your network that makes it an attractive target.  Hackers tend to
go for the low-hanging fruit.


#22 of 86 by rcurl on Mon Sep 13 17:05:10 2004:

I won't worry until I see a van parked out front sporting antennas....

Since my Adapter has a Site Monitor function, I know there are no open
wireless base stations in my vicinity. But still, is there any advice on
setting the power level of the Base? The default is the maximum, 32 mw,
but it can be dialed down, to be able to be less likely to be "sniffed". 
The Adapter monitor reported a "52%" power level before I closed the
network and couldn't read that any more, but what does that mean? I get
the impression that power level and packet transfer efficiency are
related, but I wouldn't think that only 52% of the packets being
transmitted between the Adapter and the Base are getting through.



#23 of 86 by gull on Mon Sep 13 17:18:51 2004:

I think the 52% is probably the signal level readout from the card, not
an indication of packet loss -- kind of analogous to an S-meter reading
on a radio receiver.  A better indication might be the speed your
network card is using.  It will fall back to a slower speed if the
signal gets too weak compared to the noise level.  I'd use the lowest
power level that gives you acceptable performance in the most distant
location.  (But then, I've always believed in the amateur radio credo of
using the minimum amount of RF power necessary for communications.)


#24 of 86 by rcurl on Mon Sep 13 18:19:43 2004:

I've been hunting in these device interfaces for some readout of traffic
rates, but can't find any. Is there a (Mac) utility that would show this?

I think you are right about 52% being a signal level, although I'm a little
surprised they put that function into the Adapter (which is the same thing
as a network card, to keep our nomenclature clear, except not inside a
computer but just on the network). 


#25 of 86 by gull on Tue Sep 14 14:56:06 2004:

It's been years since I used a Mac, so I'm not sure where you'd find
that information.

Every wireless network device I've seen has some ability to measure
signal strength.  It's necessary anyway for several functions of the
802.11b protocol -- the ability to choose the closest access point on
the network, for example.  Since the capability is built into the card's
radio modem, reporting it to the user as well isn't too difficult.  Most
cards I've seen have the ability to measure signal strength, noise
level, and "link quality", though not all drivers report all of these
values to the user.


#26 of 86 by rcurl on Tue Sep 14 17:53:19 2004:

Makes sense. Does a computer shift among nearby (open) access points
if signal strength varies? (I wrote "open" as a user would have to
specify the SSID and WEP Key to access my Base). 

I'm rather pleased how my network now functions. As I've said, I have two
computers on a wired ethernet LAN and this network is hooked wirelessly into
the Base Station, which is on Comcast's high speed internet access. For the
first time my wife and I don't have to contend for time on the internet!
"Modern Living".


#27 of 86 by rcurl on Wed Sep 15 05:41:29 2004:

I just discovered the "Network Utility" in OSX. This seems to be telling
me a lot about the activity on differnt parts of my network - if I can
figure out what the jargon means. I start with looking for a meaning for
Ethernet Interface (fw0) [or en0], and Network Utility Help comes up with
nothing for Interface, fw0 or en0. Who were they writing thost "Help" 
pages for? (And the Utility says "Link Speed" is 10 mb for en0 - which
isn't a *speed*...)  Sigh.....



#28 of 86 by gull on Wed Sep 15 20:21:51 2004:

Re resp:26: It depends on the network setup being done properly, but
yes, it's possible to roam around and have the computer switch from one
access point to another.  This relies on the access points all being
part of the same network, though.  Automatic, seamless hand-offs from
one network to another aren't possible because of the IP address and
routing changes.

Re resp:27: Okay, I don't know MacOS X, but I'll see if I can help you.

fw0 and en0 are the names of interfaces.  In BSD (which OS X is based
on) devices traditionally get names in that format, where the two
letters mean something about the type of the advice.  For example, my
FreeBSD system has two DEC ethernet cards, de0 and de1.  (The de stands
for DEC Ethernet, apparently.)  A little Googling suggests that en0 is
the Mac's ethernet interface, and fw0 is FireWire.

"10 mb" probably means 10 megabits per second.



#29 of 86 by prp on Wed Sep 15 22:44:19 2004:

en0 is the built-in ehternet, and en1 is the Airport card.  Assuming
you have an airport card.


#30 of 86 by gelinas on Wed Sep 15 23:34:15 2004:

"ifconfig -a" is a useful command, in Terminal. 


#31 of 86 by gull on Thu Sep 16 14:09:20 2004:

Does OS X have any equivalent of Linux's 'iwconfig' command, for
displaying wireless-specific information?


#32 of 86 by prp on Fri Sep 17 00:25:34 2004:

From the System Profiler:

AirPort:

  Interface:    en1
  Type: AirPort
  IP Address:   207.75.135.18
  Subnet Mask:  255.255.255.0
  Broadcast Address:    207.75.135.255
  Router Address:       207.75.135.5
  DNS Servers:  172.22.22.27
  Domain:       wccnet.org
  Ethernet Address:     00:30:65:2a:16:7c

From Network Utility:

  Hardware Address 00:30:65"2a:16:7c
  IP Address(es): 207.75.135.18
  Link Speed 11Mb
  Link Status Active
  Vendor Apple
  Model Wireless Network Adapter (802.11)

  Sent Packets 3181
  Send Errors  0
  Recv Packets 54381
  Recv Errors  0
  Collisions   0


#33 of 86 by rcurl on Fri Sep 17 05:19:04 2004:

That computer has an Airport card. Mine doesn't. 


#34 of 86 by prp on Sat Sep 18 19:35:17 2004:

You can get the same information for en0, the built-in ethernet,
as for en1, the airport card.

re 51: What sort of information does iwconfig provide?.  The command
iwconfig is not there, but the information may be somewhere.


#35 of 86 by prp on Sat Sep 18 20:16:08 2004:

Back to Comcast Modems, I heard that they they have problems with more than
15 computers on the ethernet network.  Motorola says the modem works with
up to 32 computers.


#36 of 86 by gull on Mon Sep 20 03:09:09 2004:

Re resp:33: I thought we were talking about a wireless network?


#37 of 86 by rcurl on Mon Sep 20 07:24:11 2004:

Right - my ethernet LAN (2 computers) connects wirelessly to the internet. 
Neither computer has an Airport card - the LAN has a wireless adapter, but
its not an Airport card. The router, however, is an Airport base. 



#38 of 86 by gull on Mon Sep 20 15:53:15 2004:

Oh, okay.  In that case, you're not going to get signal strength
information from your computer directly.  You'll have to get it from the
wireless bridge on the LAN.  Maybe it has a built-in webpage you can
look at?


#39 of 86 by rcurl on Mon Sep 20 18:40:47 2004:

It has a built-in webpage for configuring the SSID and security parameters
but it only shows field strength if one configures the Airport base to
transmit its SSID - which isn't adviseable. But I think you've put your
finger on it - I can't have my pie and eat it too. 


#40 of 86 by rcurl on Tue Jan 11 16:52:25 2005:

(Further to the above stuff....) For security on my wi-fi Internet access
I have made it a Closed Network and implemented 128 bit WEP. I now think I
can also implement Access Control to the Apple Extreme Base Station by
listing there the permitted MAC addresses.

As described previously, I have a wired LAN with a PowerMac G4 and an
iMac, connecting to the Base Station with a wireless ethernet Adapter. I
can find a MAC address on the G4 but not on the iMac (neither has an
Airport card installed), while the Adapter itself has a MAC address. Is
the latter all I need to list on the Base Station to permit access for
both of the computers on the LAN?

I realize that if I have a visitor for whom I would like to permit access
to my Internet connection from their laptop, I would have to enter their
MAC address into the Base Station as well as the security parameters into
their computer. This doesn't happen often, however.

(The reason I don't just try it is that if I lock myself out of the Base
Station by something I do - which I did several times in setting up the
system - , it takes a while to reset the Base Station to its default
settings and the Adapter for that, so I can access it to reset the
security options.)



#41 of 86 by blaise on Wed Jan 12 18:49:34 2005:

That's why I like having a wireless router that has an ethernet switch
built in -- if I lock the wireless portion, I can adjust the
configuration with a wired system.  (Right now I'm using a Netgear
802.11b router; I hope to upgrade to a Linksys 802.11g router soon.  The
reason I want to switch to Linksys is that their firmware is open
source, so I can add things like IPv6 support.)


#42 of 86 by rcurl on Wed Jan 12 18:55:34 2005:

The reason I have my wireless setup is so I would not have to run an
ethernet cable from the LAN, which is in a different part of the house
from the cable termination point. 


#43 of 86 by rcurl on Sun Jan 23 07:29:51 2005:

Further to my #40 (and, more specifically):

Question was: do I have to enter both the computer MAC address and the
Adapter MAC address into the Apple Extreme Base Station Access Control
list?

New Question: what formats of the MAC (hardware) address are allowable.
I've seen them written as 04:05:a6:..., as 04.05.a6...., and as 04 05
a6.... Does it, then, not matter what the delimiter is, even just a space?
(I gather that case is not important - correct?)

(I found the iMac MAC (hardware) address.)



#44 of 86 by gull on Sun Jan 23 22:59:53 2005:

I'd guess just the MAC address of your wireless adapter.  I'm assuming
the "computer MAC address" is the MAC address of its ethernet adapter. 
I'm not absolutely sure, though; if you're doing some kind of bridging,
you may need to enter both.

MAC addresses are written out with various delimiters, but the wireless
access points I've used seem to want them entered with the delimiters
left out, as a single string of hexadecimal digits.


#45 of 86 by twenex on Mon Jan 24 01:07:04 2005:

Sorry to muddy the waters, but mine wants hex digits separated into pairs by
colons.


#46 of 86 by rcurl on Mon Jan 24 07:43:34 2005:

Are they case sensitive, too? 


#47 of 86 by gull on Mon Jan 24 14:29:01 2005:

I doubt it, but God only knows what someone out there is programmed. 
All of my wireless access points have had odd, sometimes amusing
firmware bugs.  (But then, I buy cheap crap.)


#48 of 86 by gull on Mon Jan 24 14:29:28 2005:

What someone out there *has* programmed, rather.


#49 of 86 by rcurl on Mon Jan 24 19:36:14 2005:

http://www.erg.abdn.ac.uk/users/gorry/course/lan-pages/mac-vendor-codes.htm
l
has some info about the MAC address, viz:

"Ethernet MAC

"Ethernet hardware addresses are 48 bits, expressed as 12 hexadecimal
digits (0-9, plus A-F, capitalized). They might be written unhyphenated
(e.g., 123456789ABC), or with one hyphen (e.g., 123456-789ABC), but should
be written hyphenated by octets (e.g., 12:34:56:78:9A:BC). This gives a
theoretical 281,474,976,710,656 addresses. This is more than 56,000 MAC
addresses for each person on the planet!"

Note that it says "A-F, capitalized". Yet in both my iMac and G4 their MAC 
addresses are shown with the letters in lower case, while the iMac has
the address hyphenated with dots and the G4 with colons (and the Adapter 
uses the format stated in the quote above). 



#50 of 86 by gull on Mon Jan 24 19:39:02 2005:

As far as I know, capitalizing hex digits is just a convention.  I've
seen them both ways, and of course from a mathmatical point of view it
doesn't matter at all.


#51 of 86 by rcurl on Mon Jan 24 19:56:16 2005:

Of course, the software has to recognize an "e" as an "E", which have
different hex representations when considered as ASCII characters. But I
understand what you (and the cited URL) are saying: the representation is just
straight hex. I think I got myself confused on this point, in part because
the 128 bit WEP password is the hex equivalent of an ASCII password. So,
what about whether the "hyphenation" must be by colons, or that hyphenation
is acutally ignored when the string is read? 


#52 of 86 by gull on Mon Jan 24 21:18:02 2005:

On some access points, the 128 bit WEP password is just the hex
equivalent of the ASCII password.  On *most* access points, though, it's
actually an MD5 hash of the ASCII password.  There's not much
standardization on this point, though, which means if you use wireless
hardware from different manufacturers, you may have to enter the keys in
hex.

The reason for not just using a straight ASCII -> hex conversion is it
would artificially limit the keyspace.


#53 of 86 by rcurl on Fri Apr 15 17:46:19 2005:

I have enabled Base Station Logging on my Wi-Fi network, but have
some questions:

1. What does the "Logging Level" mean"?  It goes from 0 = emergency to 7 = 
debug. Airport Help is no help at all - nothing about the Logging Level.

2. Where do I read the logging, and what should I be looking for? It
is apparently sent to the IP address of this computer, and I can find
a mare's-nest of logs in Console, but nothing that looks like logging
of Base Station activity. Will it log logins to the Base Station (I'm  
looking, in particular, to find if anyone else is accessing it)?


#54 of 86 by gull on Sat Apr 16 21:28:33 2005:

The logging level probably sets how verbose the log is.  Usually with these
sorts of things a setting of 0 will log only critical errors, and a log
level of 7 logs a huge quantity of debugging information.  Often the most
useful setting is somewhere in the lower half of the range, but you'll have
to experiment.

I'm not familiar with OS X's logging, so I can't tell you what file to look
in.  You could temporarily turn up the logging level to something fairly
high, then search the log files for the base station's IP address.

I also don't know if OS X is set, by default, to accept log messages from
remote devices.  That feature is often turned off on other OS's, because it
can easily be used as an unauthenticated, remotely-accessable disk filling
service. ;)


#55 of 86 by scott on Sun Apr 17 00:15:57 2005:

OS X does text-based logging in (I think) /var/logs.  Basically the Unix
approach, and when I was first trying to figure out a modem problem on my
iBook it was easy to open a terminal window and find the logs.


#56 of 86 by rcurl on Sun Apr 17 02:23:07 2005:

I upped the Logging Level to "Informational" (6). In /var/log are many
files (and 6 directories). Those that are not empty are: CDIS.custom,
cups(dir), daily.out, system.log, windowserver.log, and
windowserver_last.log. I can't find an IP address (10.0.1.1 for the Base
Station) in any of them.

I directed the Base Station to log to this computer, which  has IP 
10.0.1.2. 


#57 of 86 by arthurp on Mon Apr 18 06:17:18 2005:

You'll probably need to activate a feature on 10.0.1.2 to allow other
machines to write to it's logs.  'man syslogd' might have the info you
need.  'apropos syslog' may be a longer route to the info.  Once it is
ready to receive log messages it will be listening on port 514 udp.


#58 of 86 by rcurl on Mon Apr 18 17:21:40 2005:

Do you know that to be a feature of OS X?  There is a syslogd command, but
I don't know enough to set it up to log from the Base Station (if that can
even be done).



#59 of 86 by arthurp on Thu Apr 21 01:10:22 2005:

Your syslogd should have inherited the feature from its UNIX roots. 
Refer to the included manual page for syslogd from a Linux system.

    -r  This option will enable the facility to receive message from the
        network using an internet domain socket with the syslog  service
        (see  services(5)).   The default is to not receive any messages
        from the network.

        This option is introduced in version 1.3 of the  sysklogd  pack-
        age.   Please  note that the default behavior is the opposite of
        how older versions behave, so you might have to turn this on.

I don't know for sure how OS X sets options for services.  Linux would
use /etc/sysconfig/syslogd as a text file containing startup options for
syslogd.  It may be the same in OS X.  I think they use similar rc scripts.


#60 of 86 by rcurl on Wed Jun 22 16:50:24 2005:

I  would appreciate some information about DHCP in IP/TCP. In the Network
dialog in OS X I can implement automatic DHCP, but have no other control 
over it except to manually renew the DHCP lease. However in the Airport 
Base Station I'm using I can choose the DHCP lease term from minutes to 
days. What are the consequences of choosing a lease term? What happens
at the time a lease "expires" (and does its expiration depend upon whether 
the computer, or Airport Base, is in use, idle, or off)? 

The default lease term on the Airport Base was 4 hours, and on some
occasions I observed I no longer had internet access after my system had
been idle for more than 4 hours. Is this related, or a coincidence, or
what? If the former, how do I get a new lease immediately?

Mac Help is pretty useless in regard to these questions. 


#61 of 86 by scott on Wed Jun 22 20:56:38 2005:

The DHCP lease is something that the DHCP server sets, not the client.  For
your application I'd set the lease either off or for many days - a shorter
lease is only useful if you have other clients connecting and needing a lease
from a limited pool of IP addresses.  


#62 of 86 by rcurl on Thu Jun 23 00:42:11 2005:

Makes sense. Now what might I experience at lease expiration if I set the
term for several days (and how does this depend on whether the computers
and/or the Airport router is always on and/or used intermittently)? Or
maybe it is better to ask, what if any conditions of system operation and
lease term setting will lead to any observable consequence of setting a
finite lease term?

It doesn't look like I can set the lease term to zero.


#63 of 86 by gull on Mon Jun 27 03:47:24 2005:

A lease term of 0 wouldn't make any sense. 
 
The lease term sets how long a client gets to hold onto an IP address 
before it has to ask to have it renewed.  Setting the lease shorter 
means the IP will be available again sooner if the client goes away; 
setting it longer means that a client that isn't connected all the 
time will have a more stable IP address.  It doesn't generally affect 
how often the client asks to have the lease renewed, though.  My 
experience is that Windows machines, for example, will always ask for 
a renewal once every five minutes as long as they're online. 
 


#64 of 86 by rcurl on Mon Jun 27 06:24:34 2005:

I'm trying to understand how this applies in my system, where I have two
computers on a wired LAN that connects to a wireless router. I set the
DHCP lease term on the *router*, which is on most of the time.  The
computers are shut down often. When the lease term was set to 4 hours, on
occasion I could not connect from the computers until I had shut
everything down and restarted. Can this behavior be explained with how the
lease system works?


#65 of 86 by scott on Mon Jun 27 12:01:04 2005:

I don't think you should be losing connection that way.  


#66 of 86 by gull on Mon Jun 27 13:46:41 2005:

I don't think that's related, unless there's a bug somewhere.

All a lease term of 4 hours means is if the router doesn't hear from a
particular computer for 4 hours, it releases that machine's IP address
and may hand it out to another machine if a new request comes in.  The
original computer will still get an IP address when it asks for one
again, it just may not be the one it had originally.


#67 of 86 by rcurl on Mon Jun 27 16:56:09 2005:

Here's what I get for the IP addresses of the various devices:

iMac        G4        Bridge        Router
10.0.1.2    10.0.1.3  192.168.30.1  10.0.1.1
                                    69.137.222.90

I think that Bridge IP address is for accessing it's software to configure
it (?). The second one for the router is its "Public (WAN) IP address". 
The router has a default setting of
 
   "Share a single IP address (using DHCP and NAT)"

with an alternative, not being used of

   "Share a range of IP addresses (using only DHCP)"

Does this tell anyone anything about how this system is working (and if
it might lead to a disconnection if the lease term in the router is 4 
hours)?



#68 of 86 by gull on Mon Jun 27 19:44:30 2005:

It looks all right to me.  It's a little odd that the bridge's address
isn't in the same subnet, but for bridging purposes that really
shouldn't matter.


#69 of 86 by rcurl on Thu Jun 30 05:47:42 2005:

How long does it take for the router to get a new IP address at the end of a
lease term? If this can be a significant time, then I would have an increased
probability of being able to connect anew while it is negotiating for a new
lease if the lease term is short (like it was, at 4 hours). I have increased it
to 4 days, and I have not encountered the inability to connect since.


#70 of 86 by gull on Thu Jun 30 14:10:45 2005:

Usually it doesn't take more than a second or two.


#71 of 86 by rcurl on Thu Jun 30 15:40:20 2005:

Is it possible for the ISP (Comcast, in this case) to run out of leases? 


#72 of 86 by juicy on Fri Jul 1 01:49:48 2005:

I get the impression that, with Comcast, *any*thing is possible. . . . But
it should be improbable.


#73 of 86 by arthurp on Sat Jul 16 15:18:00 2005:

Given the 'always on' nature of cable internet, I would call it
unethical to sell more accounts than they have IPs.  So in correct
operation it should not be possible for them to run out of leases.  But
as juicy says...  I've had to debug and solve problems for them on a
couple occasions.


#74 of 86 by rcurl on Wed Jan 23 21:02:02 2008:

I have a wired Ethernet LAN with two computers (iMac and G4) and a printer 
(Brother 2070N), connected with a wireless adapter to an Airport base 
station (and from that to a cable router). I can also connect to the 
internet through the base station from a Mac laptop. I would like to 
*print* with the printer on the LAN from the laptop.

Is this possible and, if so, how? 

The Airport Extreme manuals only have information about printing to a USB
printer connected to the base station.


#75 of 86 by nharmon on Thu Jan 24 00:19:04 2008:

Assuming the airport base station is like other wireless router/access
points, the laptop should already be on the same network as the
workstations and printer.

Have you tried pinging the printer from the laptop?


#76 of 86 by rcurl on Thu Jan 24 01:58:59 2008:

From termimal? Using its DHCP IP address? I thought this was all built into
OSX. The Printer Browser on the laptop shows the printer, but gives no
location for it. (I'm in the dummy class for a lot of these networking details
so I need help.)


#77 of 86 by nharmon on Thu Jan 24 04:37:59 2008:

I would think you should be able to access the printer like you would
from the PCs. What kind of location information do the PCs give?


#78 of 86 by rcurl on Thu Jan 24 04:58:58 2008:

I got it to work with the DHCP IP address. The Mac Help helped but the 
procedure is not intuitive. What led me astray is that when I installed 
the printer software, it showed up in the printer selection menu, which I 
thought meant that it saw the printer. But no: one has still to Add the 
printer and give it an arbitrary name and location. There is then an 
obscure menu, which is hard to find, where one chooses the make and model 
of the printer (there are hundreds listed!).




#79 of 86 by nharmon on Thu Jan 24 05:16:26 2008:

Well, as unintuitive as it might have seemed, I can assure you it would
have been much more confusing in Windows. :)


#80 of 86 by nharmon on Thu Jan 24 05:20:28 2008:

Case in point: My networked laser printer is in the basement while my
windows PC is on the 2nd floor. If I add the printer to the windows PC,
the "add printer wizard" asks if it is a local or network printer. You
have to answer "local" in order to install it.


#81 of 86 by rcurl on Thu Jan 24 22:10:32 2008:

Another problem I had while trying to get to print across the network was that
my wife was watching streaming video on the wired LAN while I was trying to
print wirelessly from the laptop, which so jammed he pipe that none of my
packets got to the printer until she shut down. 

I'm now wondering if I even had to install the printer driver on the 
laotop, since one of the steps in adding the printer was selecting a make 
and model from a dialog. Does OS 10.4 already have printer drivers? 



#82 of 86 by arthurp on Sun Jan 27 23:43:40 2008:

Often there is a list of printers for you to install.  And often the
printer you have is not in that list until you install the software that
came with it.

Just to add some complexity here, if you can figure out how to force the
base station to assign the same IP every time, or how to assign to the
printer a static IP on the same network segment but outside the DHCP
range, you may save yourself some trouble later on if the base station
should ever decide to assign a different IP to the printer.  Or you
could just remember that this is a possibility and if the printer every
mysteriously stops working start by checking what IP it is using.


#83 of 86 by rcurl on Tue Jan 29 05:47:07 2008:

I'll keep that in mind. So far, the IP assignments have been stable. I
don't know where they come from, though. 


#84 of 86 by rcurl on Thu Jan 31 22:32:40 2008:

The success I had in printing mentioned above was a one line test phrase. Now
I am been trying to print a two page WORD document. I had two types of
failures on repeated attempts:

1. After an hour or so *trying* to print, I got "Print file was was not
accepted (client-error-not-found)!

or

2. Error dialog "printer busy, will retry in 10 sec". This every now and then
printed either a blank page or a page with just the first line of the
document.

What's gumming it up? Could it be the driver I installed when I really did
not have to?


#85 of 86 by gull on Wed Feb 6 20:38:08 2008:

Re resp:80: Yeah, the Windows idea of "local printers" and "network
printers'"is utterly confusing until you realize it's really asking
whether it's a local *queue* or not.

I suspect what Microsoft expects is that you'll tie all your network
printers to one central Windows server, and then let all your desktop
systems print through that machine, making the difference moot for
typical users.


#86 of 86 by rcurl on Thu Feb 7 17:42:39 2008:

I wrote Brother (the printer maker) about the problem and they sent me the 
standard procedure for installing a printer uner OS X 10.4 on a network - 
but not on a composite wired and wireless network like I have. Anyway, I 
tried what they suggested, and it didn't work. Now I'm inquiring on an 
apple.com forum. It's a problem, though, in getting answers when the 
system involves a Mac computer and an Apple Airport router, a Brother 
printer, and a MacWireless adapter. Probably as bad as a Windows 
system....

Yes, the usual assumption in printing with an Airport WiFi system is that 
the printer is plugged in a USB or Ethernet port on the router. The 
Airport manual doesn't address the option of a LAN connected to the router 
wirelessly.


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