Grex Iq Conference

Item 171: The Mysterious Quote Item

Entered by md on Sat Oct 11 14:26:49 2003:

132 new of 224 responses total.


#93 of 224 by md on Wed Nov 5 21:48:43 2003:

Nope.  One more.

"English was not taught in Zembla before Mr. Campbell's time.  Conmal 
mastered it all by himself (mainly by learning a lexicon by heart) as a 
young man in 1880, when not the verbal inferno but a quiet military 
career seemed to open before him, and his first work (the translation 
of Shakespeare's _Sonnets_) was the outcome of a bet with a fellow 
officer.  He exchanged his frogged uniform for a scholar's dressing 
gown and tackled _The Tempest_.  A slow worker, he needed half a 
century to translate the works of him whom he called "dze bart," in 
their entirety.  After this, in 1930, he went on to Milton and other 
poets, steadily drilling through the ages, and had just completed 
Kipling's "The Rhyme of the Three Sealers" ("Now this is the Law of the 
Muscovite that he proves with shot and steel") when he fell ill and 
soon expired under his splendid painted bed ceil with its reproductions 
of Altamira animals, his last word in his last delirium being "Comment 
dit-on 'mourir' en englais?" -- a beautiful and touching end."


#94 of 224 by polygon on Thu Nov 6 06:43:59 2003:

Anyone mention Kipling yet?


#95 of 224 by mcnally on Thu Nov 6 07:19:23 2003:

  Yes, but not in relation to this quote..  :-)


#96 of 224 by remmers on Thu Nov 6 13:14:30 2003:

In one of the quotes, the author says that he's a lousy poet.
Would Kipling have said that?


#97 of 224 by goose on Thu Nov 6 13:51:44 2003:

Heh...


#98 of 224 by bru on Thu Nov 6 17:45:00 2003:

I had not read this either, so I looked it up.  I only read one of his books,
and I would be surprised if most of us had not read that one at some point
beyond high school.


#99 of 224 by md on Thu Nov 6 18:29:05 2003:

Last quote:

"_Dim Gulf_ was my first book (free verse); _Night Rote_
Came next; then _Hebe's Cup_, my final float
In that damp carnival, for now I term
Everything "Poems" and no longer squirm.
(But *this* thransparent thingum does require
Some moondrop title.  Help me, Will!  _Pale Fire_.)"


#100 of 224 by remmers on Thu Nov 6 18:50:14 2003:

Vladimir Nabokov.


#101 of 224 by goose on Thu Nov 6 19:01:31 2003:

And we have a winner!


#102 of 224 by md on Thu Nov 6 19:38:29 2003:

Yah, Nabokov's Pale Fire.  The prose is by Charles Kinbote and the 
poetry is by John Shade.  Here's a review I wrote of it recently:

Once upon a time, a judge named Goldsworth who lived in the college 
town of New Wye, Appalachia, sent a homicidal maniac named Jack Grey to 
an Institute for the Criminal Insane. But Grey escaped, and set out to 
find Judge Goldsworth and take revenge on him. 

When Grey arrived in New Wye, Goldsworth was away on sabbatical.  
Unfortunately, Goldsworth's nextdoor neighbor, a famous poet named John 
Shade, resembled Judge Goldsworth a bit. At the very moment Jack Grey 
arrived at the Goldsworth house, Shade was on his way there. Thinking 
Shade was the judge, Grey opened fire on the unfortunate poet, killing 
him instantly with a bullet through the heart.

The reason Shade was at Goldsworth's house was that the man who was 
temporarily renting it while the judge was away, a Russian emigre named 
Vseslav Botkin, had lured him there with promises of liquor. (Shade was 
on the wagon, or at least trying.) 

Now this Vseslav Botkin was insane. After leading a dismal life of 
pederasty and persecution he had retreated into a desperate fantasy in 
which he imagined himself to be Charles the Beloved, last king of the 
kingdom of Zembla. In Botkin's paranoid world, the extremists had taken 
over Zembla and King Charles was forced to flee to America, where he 
changed his name to Charles Kinbote and found a teaching job at 
Wordsmith University, in New Wye. Botkin believed that Grey was 
actually an incompetent assassin sent by the extremists to murder King 
Charles (i.e., him), but who murdered John Shade by accident.

The fantasies of this lunatic might be of little interest to the rest 
of the world, except for one thing. Botkin had been confiding his 
Zembla fantasies to John Shade in the hope that Shade would bring them 
to life in an epic poem. And in fact, Shade had been hinting to Botkin 
that he was writing a long poem, which Botkin crazily assumed would be 
his Zembla poem. On that fateful afternoon, Botkin had induced Shade to 
bring the almost-finished manuscript of the poem to Goldsworth's house, 
where Botkin (as he believed) would finally see his Zembla come to life.

When the police had left and Botkin was alone at last with "his" poem, 
he was horrified to find that it had nothing at all to do with Zembla. 
It was an autobiographical poem addressed to the poet's beloved wife, 
whom Botkin despised, as he despised all women. The poem was very 
personal, containing many intimate details of the poet's marriage. It 
is doubtful, in fact, whether Shade ever meant to publish it.

Undeterred, Botkin absconded with the manuscript to a motel room in a 
mountain town in the far west where he proceeded to write a long series 
of notes to the poem in which, taking off from a phrase here and a word 
there in Shade's poem, he detailed his "Zembla" fantasy. He even 
managed to find an unscrupulous publisher. 

The resulting book -- Shade's poem "Pale Fire" together with Botkin's 
preface, table of contents, notes and index -- comprise the novel _Pale 
Fire_, by Vladimir Nabokov. It is an artifact of the fictional world of 
Nabokov's novel, created by two of Nabokov's characters, that has 
somehow escaped from the fictional world into our "real" world. With 
the possible exception of a copy of _Alice in Wonderland_ autographed 
by Alice Liddell herself that I once held in my hands, it is the 
strangest book I have ever seen in my life. 

It is also filled with puzzles and paradoxes. From something as simple 
as the location of New Wye (somewhere in the hills of western Virgnia, 
judging from the butterflies that fly there), to whether the kingdom of 
Zembla actually exists in the fictional world of the novel (apparently 
not -- only where did that little Zemblan translation of Timon of 
Athens come from?), to the identity and motives of Shade's murderer, 
nothing in _Pale Fire_ is easy or obvious. Things get so complicated, 
in fact, that you start to wonder if maybe Nabokov didn't outsmart 
himself in this one. I still don't know. I do know that _Pale Fire_ is 
a masterpiece that deserves all the praise it gets.


#103 of 224 by remmers on Thu Nov 6 19:40:44 2003:

Yep, I've verified it.  I'd been assuming that md was quoting from
a work of non-fiction.  Instead, it was from the fictitious diary
in Nabokov's _Pale Fire_ (which I haven't read, I'm ashamed to
confess).

Assuming that md certifies my guess as correct, I'll post a new
quote soon, hopefully later today.


#104 of 224 by remmers on Thu Nov 6 19:42:35 2003:

(Md's review in #102 slipped in.  Very interesting.  Now I'm motivated
to read the book.  I'll be posting a new quote soon.  Stay tuned.)


#105 of 224 by jep on Thu Nov 6 20:05:44 2003:

I did a WWW search on one of Mike's quotes, and got the name of 
Nabokov.  I assume you're not supposed to answer the quotes that way 
and so didn't answer it.  I'd never heard of Nabokov.


#106 of 224 by mcnally on Thu Nov 6 20:19:48 2003:

  re #105:  Quick!  Someone get md some smelling salts..


#107 of 224 by md on Thu Nov 6 20:30:30 2003:

Hey, I bet he's heard of _Lolita_.


#108 of 224 by flem on Thu Nov 6 20:35:10 2003:

Heh, I was contemplating guessing Nabokov based solely on the fact that
it was md posting.  :)


#109 of 224 by willcome on Thu Nov 6 20:52:51 2003:

Nabokov -- and md by default -- is a paedophile.


#110 of 224 by keesan on Thu Nov 6 23:38:29 2003:

Zembla sounds a lot like the Russian word for land/country (with a b thrown
in to make it easier for Americans to pronounce).


#111 of 224 by mcnally on Fri Nov 7 01:30:48 2003:

  Right..  It put me in mind of Novaya Zemla in the Arctic Ocean.


#112 of 224 by md on Fri Nov 7 02:16:39 2003:

"Nova Zembla" is what Botkin/Kinbote imagined the "extremists" called 
Zembla after they took it over.  It is most certainly a version of 
Novaya Zemlya.


#113 of 224 by remmers on Fri Nov 7 13:02:36 2003:

Okay, ready or not, here comes the next Mysterious Quote:

    Haven't you heard about the new truant officer?
    Nobody knows [who he is].  He wears disguises.  All
    the kids say he's so slick he can see around two
    corners.  Thirty kids played hooky from Bugmont
    School last week, and he caught every one of them.
    That's enough for me!



#114 of 224 by slynne on Fri Nov 7 22:54:39 2003:

Jim Carroll 


#115 of 224 by remmers on Fri Nov 7 23:28:45 2003:

Not Jim Carroll.


#116 of 224 by remmers on Sat Nov 8 14:26:37 2003:

Only one guess in twenty-four hours.  Okay, I'll give a hint and
another quote.

Hint:  This popular works of this prolific author, originally marketed
to children, later became widely admired by adults.

Next quote:

    Fox hunting!  Of all the asinine, stupid,
    crazy, *useless* sports in the world, fox
    hunting is the worst.  That's why I thought
    of you.  If there is any member of the [name
    omitted] family that is ideally suited for fox
    hunting, you're it!  His lordship is staging a
    mass fox hunt at his estate tomorrow.  I told
    him you'd be there to bring in the first fox.
    
(Note: The first quote is in resp:113)


#117 of 224 by remmers on Sat Nov 8 14:27:30 2003:

(Should've be "The popular works..." in the response above.)


#118 of 224 by slynne on Sat Nov 8 14:38:50 2003:

Judy Blume? haha. I know *that* one is a long shot!


#119 of 224 by remmers on Sat Nov 8 14:48:32 2003:

Not Judy Blume.  Our author's active period is somewhat earlier.


#120 of 224 by russ on Sat Nov 8 20:20:01 2003:

Sounds almost like a Jeeves and Bertie line.


#121 of 224 by remmers on Sat Nov 8 20:57:51 2003:

Hm, perhaps so.  But I notice that you're not going so far as to
guess explicitly that the author is P. G. Wodehouse.  Good thing
too, as you'd be wrong.  :)


#122 of 224 by aruba on Sun Nov 9 02:33:47 2003:

A.A. Milne?


#123 of 224 by russ on Sun Nov 9 02:42:49 2003:

I wasn't going to go for the gold, because I have no quote to offer
should I get it.  But guessing is fun anyway.


#124 of 224 by polygon on Sun Nov 9 04:20:16 2003:

I'm reading the quotes and thinking, but I don't have a guess yet.


#125 of 224 by remmers on Sun Nov 9 10:52:49 2003:

Not A.A. Milne.  Our author is American.

Here's another quote:

    I have startling news this evening, listeners.  News from
    the vast reaches of outer space.  Our latest satellite,
    orbiting the earth over two thousand miles out, has sent
    back the most amazing pictures ever seen.  It peeked
    around the edge of the moon from away out at the apogee
    of it's swing, and what do you think it saw?  Another
    moon!  Another moon that hides in the dark sky beyond
    our regular moon.  The moon is smaller than our regular
    moon, but -- oh brother! Is it rich!  It's not 
    a *silvery* moon -- it's a *golden* moon!  Scientists
    checked its spectrographs and verified that it is...
    TWENTY-FOUR CARAT SOLID GOLD!



#126 of 224 by slynne on Sun Nov 9 18:57:16 2003:

Isaac Asimov


#127 of 224 by remmers on Sun Nov 9 19:04:47 2003:

Interesting guess, but not Asimov.

Another hint:  The author's most creative period extended from the early
1940s to around 1960.

Another quote:

    Two thousand years ago, a Mayan ruler tossed his crown
    into a "well of sacrifice."

    "We must appease the angry gods.  They made the
    mountains rain fire on our city.  Perhaps our
    jewels and groceries will soothe them."

    But the gods stayed grumpy, and the great Mayan city
    slowly became a deserted ruin.  Soon no one could tell
    that a city once stood by the dark pool that had been
    a "well of sacrifice."



#128 of 224 by jep on Sun Nov 9 19:46:30 2003:

Steinbeck?


#129 of 224 by remmers on Sun Nov 9 20:18:16 2003:

Not Steinbeck.


#130 of 224 by polygon on Sun Nov 9 20:45:25 2003:

H. Allen Smith?


#131 of 224 by remmers on Sun Nov 9 22:15:31 2003:

Not H. Allen Smith.

I can't emphasize enough how popular this author's works were.  I've
been unsuccessful so far in tracking down sales figures, but I'd guess
that the original editions sold in the hundreds of thousands, perhaps
millions.  And this author turned out a *lot* of stuff.

Another hint:  The author is deceased.

Another quote:

    Ladywimmin an gints, I never expected to see this here
    gold agin, so I'm gonna do a right handsome thing with
    it!  I'm gonna spend the WHOLE MILLION for MORE PENICILLIN
    for these brave boys to fly to more sick Eskimos!



#132 of 224 by other on Sun Nov 9 22:24:03 2003:

L. Frank Baum


#133 of 224 by remmers on Sun Nov 9 22:26:50 2003:

Not Baum.  He died in 1919, long before penicillin and orbiting
satellites.


#134 of 224 by slynne on Sun Nov 9 23:42:45 2003:

Robert Heinlein 


#135 of 224 by remmers on Mon Nov 10 02:02:30 2003:

Not Heinlein.


#136 of 224 by md on Mon Nov 10 02:56:33 2003:

Fred Allen?


#137 of 224 by aruba on Mon Nov 10 04:36:34 2003:

Walt Kelly?


#138 of 224 by remmers on Mon Nov 10 11:45:12 2003:

Not Walt Kelly, but that's the best guess so far.  Work by Kelly
and our author originally appeared in some of the same publications.

Note the preoccupation with wealth, power, and far-flung locales in
several of the quotes so far.  Those are characteristic of this
author.

Two more quotes:

Quote #1:

    Night!  Mysterious figures rise from the center of the
    water hole.  The Raiders of No Issa!  Watertight covers
    are removed from guns.  Breechlocks click.  The raid is
    on!

Quote #2:

    "Turn southward, [name omitted]!  I've decided that I shall
    be the owner of North America! ...  I CAN OWN North America!
    This map and the helmet are my deed to the continent! ...
    I'll run the country for the benefit of the MUSEUMS!
    Everybody will have to go to a museum TWICE a day!"



#139 of 224 by polygon on Mon Nov 10 14:13:46 2003:

Hmmm, I had been thinking that this might be a cartoonist.


#140 of 224 by bhoward on Mon Nov 10 15:16:27 2003:

What, like Carl Barks?


#141 of 224 by remmers on Mon Nov 10 18:01:21 2003:

*Exactly* like Carl Barks.  Excellent!  We have a winner.

Carl Barks wrote and drew most of the "duck stories" (Donald
Duck and associated characters) that appeared in Walt Disney
comic books from the early 1940s until his retirement in 1965.
He created Scrooge McDuck, Gladstone Gander, the Junior
Woodchucks, and the Beagle Boys.

The quotes above are from Donald Duck and Scrooge McDuck stories
originally published from the late 1940s through the late 1950s
in ten-cent Walt Disney comic books.  They range in length from
ten-page Donald Duck stories in Walt Disney's Comics and Stories
magazine to longer adventure pieces with titles like "Crown of
the Mayas" and "The Golden Helmet" in the Donald Duck and Uncle
Scrooge magazines.

In my opinion, althought his name is not as well known,  Barks'
artistic and narrative abilites were comparable to those of Walt
Kelly, who also worked for Disney as an animator (Kelly's name
is in the "Dumbo" credits) and comic book illustrator during
the 1940s.

Kelly broke free of Disney with his "Pogo" character, first in
comic book form, then as the classic newspaper strip.  At that
point, he got to sign his work, and his name became known to
the public at large.  Barks, by contrast, remained in the Disney
stable and thus had to work anonymously - artists and writers for
Disney comic books didn't get to claim any credit for their work
in those days.  As a result, he developed a large collection of
fans who loved his stuff and recognized it as distinctly superior
to that of other cartoonists writing and drawing duck stories,
but who had no idea who he was and who referred to him simply as
"the good artist".

Soon before or after Barks' retirement from Disney, some
persistent fans managed to uncover his identity.  After that
he became a frequent guest at comic book conventions, his duck
stories were reprinted and anthologized, and the original comic
books containing his work became valuable collectors items (a
mint-condition copy of a 1940s comic book containing a Barks
story would probably sell for thousands of dollars today).
In his later years he turned out a series of oil "duck paintings"
based on the original stories that themselves are now collectors
items commanding high prices.  A few years ago, when he was in
his 90s, he was guest of honor at an elaborate celebration of
his work at one of the Disney theme parks.  Belated, but much
deserved, recognition.  Barks died in 2000 at the age of 99.

Barks' stories do tend to exhibit adherence to a formula -
typically some sort of adventure in an exotic land and involving
a long lost treasure.  In his later years, Barks remarked that
if he'd known that there would be any kind of long term interest
in his work, he'd have put more effort into varying his plots.

Okay.  Bhoward guessed it, so he's up for the next quote.


#142 of 224 by mcnally on Mon Nov 10 18:38:24 2003:

  But who, I wonder, was the creative force behind
  "Donald in Mathemagic-Land"?  (hmm.  Google to the
  rescue again..)


#143 of 224 by remmers on Mon Nov 10 18:45:18 2003:

Dunno, but probably not Barks.  Doesn't seem like his style.


#144 of 224 by mynxcat on Mon Nov 10 22:50:15 2003:

Donald in Mathemagic Land was one of my favoriets.


#145 of 224 by bhoward on Wed Nov 12 00:06:33 2003:

No fair, Lawrence tricked me into blurting that out :-)

Excuse me while I rummage for an interesting quote.
Unfortunately, I'm at work so you'll just have to wait until
(your) tomorrow morning.


#146 of 224 by polygon on Thu Nov 20 06:29:18 2003:

It's been a week of tomorrows, and no quote yet, so into the breach
again....

 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


    Death before forty's no bar. Lo!
      These had accomplished their feats:
    Chatterton, Burns, and Kit Marlowe,
      Byron and Shelley and Keats.

    Death, the eventual censor,
      Lays for the forties, and so
    Took off Jane Austen and Spenser,
      Stevenson, Hood, and poor Poe.

    You'll leave a better-lined wallet
      By reaching the end of your rope
    After fifty, like Shakespeare and Smollett,
      Thackeray, Dickens, and Pope.

    Try for the sixties--but say, boy.
      That's when the tombstones were built on
    Butler and Sheridan, the play boy
      Arnold and Coleridge and Milton.

    Three score and ten--the tides rippling
      Over the bar; slip the hawser.
    Godspeed to Clemens and Kipling,
      Swinburne and Browning and Chaucer.

    Some staved the debt off but paid it
      At eighty--that's after the law.
    Wordsworth and Tennyson made it,
      And Meredith, Hardy, and Shaw.

    But Death, while you make up your quota
      Please note this confession of candor--
    That I wouldn't give an iota
      To linger till ninety, like Landor.


#147 of 224 by bhoward on Thu Nov 20 10:02:27 2003:

(thanks polygon...I've been a bit distracted this week
preparing for a trip back to the states)


#148 of 224 by remmers on Thu Nov 20 11:43:49 2003:

Hm....

Shaw died in 1950, so the quote has to postdate that.  So we're talking
about a latter-20th-century author who wrote at least some humorous
verse.

Odgen Nash comes to mind, but it doesn't sound much like Nash.  It scans
too well.

Wild (and probably wrong) guess:  Richard Wilbur.


#149 of 224 by remmers on Thu Nov 20 14:29:59 2003:

(By the way, I assume that the "Landor" referenced in the quote is
Walter Savage Landor.  His dates were 1775-1864, so it looks like he
didn't quite make it to ninety, contrary to what the quote says.)


#150 of 224 by polygon on Thu Nov 20 15:48:13 2003:

Not Ogden Nash.  Not Richard Wilbur.  But yes, an American.


#151 of 224 by polygon on Thu Nov 20 15:50:34 2003:

And unlike Landor, the author of the quoted lines did not live to ripe
age.


#152 of 224 by polygon on Thu Nov 20 15:56:08 2003:

And oh -- an understandable error.  Apparently George Bernard Shaw was
living when this was written.  The poem predates 1950.


#153 of 224 by remmers on Thu Nov 20 16:29:16 2003:

Hm, the poem's misleading then, as it implies that Shaw had already
"paid the debt", which I took to mean had "passed on".  Shaw was born
in 1856, so if he was in his 80s when the poem was written, that would
put the date no earlier than the mid-1930s.  If it's also pre-1950,
that narrows it down to a span of no more than 14 or 15 years.

Okay, an American author active in the 1930s and/or 1940s.  I'll
ponder some more...


#154 of 224 by md on Thu Nov 20 18:53:30 2003:

Reminds me of Samuel Hoffenstein.


#155 of 224 by twenex on Thu Nov 20 21:15:47 2003:

I'm not clear whether it's clear that George Bernard Shaw was Irish, not
American...


#156 of 224 by remmers on Thu Nov 20 21:59:56 2003:

It's clear to me.  But polygon said that the author (who is not Shaw)
is American.


#157 of 224 by twenex on Thu Nov 20 22:29:38 2003:

Ah.
Point.


#158 of 224 by polygon on Fri Nov 21 14:58:42 2003:

Re 153.  Yes, the poem was first published when Shaw was in his 80s.

Re 154.  Not Samuel Hoffenstein.

Re 155-57.  Not George Bernard Shaw.

The author's most famous work (and it is very famous) is in prose, not
poetry.  I did not realize the author was also a published poet until I
found this poem.  A Google search found references to other poetry.


#159 of 224 by slynne on Sat Nov 22 03:18:08 2003:

Fitzgerald?


#160 of 224 by polygon on Sun Nov 23 04:50:47 2003:

Re 159.  Bingo!  F. Scott Fitzgerald is the author.  The poem was first
published in The New Yorker in 1937.  Fitzgerald himself died in his 40s.

Though refereces to the title ("Obit on Parnassus") can be found in
Google, the text of the poem does not appear to be online.


#161 of 224 by remmers on Sun Nov 23 14:30:18 2003:

Interesting.  I didn't know that Fitzgerald was a poet either.


#162 of 224 by rcurl on Sun Nov 23 17:53:22 2003:

There are only sixty or so Fitzgerald poems - how could you know? 
http://libweb.princeton.edu/libraries/firestone/rbsc/aids/fitzgerald/


#163 of 224 by slynne on Sun Nov 23 20:43:49 2003:

Heh. That was a total lucky guess. I didnt realize that Fitzgerald was 
a poet either. Go figure. 

I have a really cool quote but I am not at home (where the book is) so 
I'll have to enter it later. 


#164 of 224 by happyboy on Sun Nov 23 20:53:40 2003:

heck, just paraphrase it!


#165 of 224 by mcnally on Sun Nov 23 23:46:49 2003:

  That'd make it harder to google..


#166 of 224 by happyboy on Mon Nov 24 01:48:08 2003:

see?!


#167 of 224 by slynne on Tue Nov 25 02:52:18 2003:

Ok, here is my quote...

"We all four of us been workin together, day in and day out   for , oh 
lord, I don t know how long. We done raised crops and chilren together, 
done kept that brick house so clean you could eat off the floors. But 
like Letta always says, who wanna eat off a floor?
        You think somebody gonna throw us a party for getting through 
all this? No sir. You don t get no trophies for liven the life you born 
into. It just be your job, and you lucky if you can do the work set out 
in front of you and not fret if it seem puny. Maybe the Good Lord ain t 
give us nothing but puny things. Little bitta things sparklin through 
our days and nights. In the fields and in the mornin air, little bitta 
things that if you blink your eye, they be gone and ain t never comin 
back."


#168 of 224 by other on Tue Nov 25 03:21:15 2003:

Toni Morrison


#169 of 224 by slynne on Tue Nov 25 03:53:21 2003:

Not Toni Morrison


#170 of 224 by jep on Tue Nov 25 04:28:37 2003:

Langston Hughes.


#171 of 224 by mcnally on Tue Nov 25 04:44:32 2003:

  Zora Neale Hurston?


#172 of 224 by happyboy on Tue Nov 25 05:42:05 2003:

al jolson?


#173 of 224 by aruba on Tue Nov 25 07:46:19 2003:

Mark Twain?


#174 of 224 by polygon on Tue Nov 25 07:55:02 2003:

John Steinbeck?


#175 of 224 by happyboy on Tue Nov 25 08:16:33 2003:

fred mertz?


#176 of 224 by remmers on Tue Nov 25 11:41:46 2003:

Sounds like it could be from _The Color Purple_, so I'll guess Alice
Walker.


#177 of 224 by slynne on Tue Nov 25 15:53:29 2003:

Nope. None of the above. 

First Hint: This book was published within the last 10 years.


#178 of 224 by happyboy on Tue Nov 25 16:46:05 2003:

fred mertz posthumous?


#179 of 224 by mynxcat on Tue Nov 25 17:44:58 2003:

"The Wind Done Gone" - Alice Randall?


#180 of 224 by remmers on Tue Nov 25 18:51:34 2003:

(Mynxcat might just have it...)


#181 of 224 by slynne on Wed Nov 26 01:17:52 2003:

Nope.

Second Hint: A different book by the same author recently was made into 
a movie. 


#182 of 224 by willcome on Thu Nov 27 08:08:30 2003:

whore.


#183 of 224 by slynne on Mon Dec 1 14:32:40 2003:

Ok, here is a different quote from the same author:

"She stared at the phone. Her relationship with her mother had never 
been smooth, but this latest episode was disastrous. For the umpteenth 
time that week, [name deleted] punched the number of her parents  home 
at Pecan Grove. For the first time, she actually let it ring through."


#184 of 224 by remmers on Mon Dec 1 14:58:17 2003:

My guess is that it's an American author, probably female.  Nonetheless
I'll make a wild guess at a British author:  Helen Fielding.


#185 of 224 by slynne on Mon Dec 1 16:14:24 2003:

It is a female American author. Thus, it isnt Helen Fielding. 


#186 of 224 by remmers on Mon Dec 1 19:40:45 2003:

Okay, guess I get partial credit on that one.
<remmers ponders further>


#187 of 224 by bhoward on Tue Dec 2 03:35:26 2003:

I'll answer on condition that I don't have to guess the next quote
(final exam is in a week and a half and no time to research a fun quote
until after I pass (or otherwise!))

Given the movie hint, my money is on Rebecca Wells.


#188 of 224 by polygon on Tue Dec 2 05:38:30 2003:

Ann Tyler.


#189 of 224 by remmers on Tue Dec 2 11:52:49 2003:

Hm...  There have been some movies based on Ann Tyler novels, but I
can't think of a recent one.


#190 of 224 by slynne on Tue Dec 2 15:37:44 2003:

It's Rebecca Wells! The first quote I gave was from _Little Alters 
Everywhere_ and the second was from _Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya 
Sisterhood_  

Bruce wins. But since he doesnt want to give the next quote, I guess it 
is open to anyone :) 


#191 of 224 by polygon on Tue Dec 2 17:37:57 2003:

THE LAWYERS, Bob, know too much.
They are chums of the books of old John Marshall.
They know it all, what a dead hand Wrote,
A stiff dead hand and its knuckles crumbling,
The bones of the fingers a thin white ash.
    The lawyers know
      a dead man's thoughts too well.

In the heels of the higgling lawyers, Bob,
Too many slippery ifs and buts and howevers,
Too much hereinbefore provided whereas,
Too many doors to go in and out of.

    When the lawyers are through
    What is there left, Bob?
    Can a mouse nibble at it
    And find enough to fasten a tooth in?

    Why is there always a secret singing
    When a lawyer cashes in?
    Why does a hearse horse snicker
    Hauling a lawyer away?


#192 of 224 by remmers on Tue Dec 2 18:54:28 2003:

Darn - that style rings a bell...


#193 of 224 by aruba on Tue Dec 2 19:08:50 2003:

Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.?


#194 of 224 by slynne on Tue Dec 2 20:43:07 2003:

Kipling?


#195 of 224 by polygon on Tue Dec 2 21:59:29 2003:

Re 194. Not Kipling.

Re 193. Not Holmes.

Re 192. Not Bell.


#196 of 224 by bhoward on Tue Dec 2 22:23:29 2003:

(polygon comes to my rescue once again...thanks!)


#197 of 224 by remmers on Tue Dec 2 23:35:05 2003:

The cynicism level in the quote suggests Ambrose Bierce.


#198 of 224 by polygon on Tue Dec 2 23:41:08 2003:

Re 196.  No problem.

RE 197.  Not Bierce.

But, yes indeedy, a dead white American male.


#199 of 224 by willcome on Wed Dec 3 02:13:46 2003:

Racist.


#200 of 224 by remmers on Wed Dec 3 12:14:51 2003:

Wild guess, probably wrong:  Don Marquis.


#201 of 224 by polygon on Wed Dec 3 18:36:19 2003:

Re 200.  Not Don Marquis.

Another brief excerpt coming.


#202 of 224 by polygon on Wed Dec 3 18:42:20 2003:

Hmm, this isn't the kind of excerpt I meant, but I can't resist:

"Slang is a language that rolls up its sleeves, spits on its hands
and goes to work."


#203 of 224 by md on Wed Dec 3 19:34:40 2003:

That's a very familiar quote.  Is it Mencken?


#204 of 224 by willcome on Wed Dec 3 19:51:26 2003:

IT's Pink Floyd.


#205 of 224 by dcat on Wed Dec 3 22:22:36 2003:

Ben Franklin?


#206 of 224 by polygon on Thu Dec 4 02:13:11 2003:

Re 203-205.  Not Mencken, Pink Floyd, or Ben Franklin.


#207 of 224 by polygon on Thu Dec 4 02:14:42 2003:

The quote in #202 was published in 1959.  The author was living at the
time.


#208 of 224 by polygon on Thu Dec 4 02:15:28 2003:

Er, um, I'm not actually looking at the source, but it was some time
in the 1950s anyway.


#209 of 224 by willcome on Thu Dec 4 03:54:17 2003:

I'll hedge my bets and say Pink Floyd.


#210 of 224 by remmers on Thu Dec 4 13:48:19 2003:

If Larry hadn't said that the author was male, I'd guess Dorthy
Parker.


#211 of 224 by remmers on Thu Dec 4 14:01:54 2003:

Something about these quotes reminds me of Ezra Pound.  So I'll guess
him.


#212 of 224 by slynne on Thu Dec 4 18:01:16 2003:

I think I need another hint. 


#213 of 224 by twenex on Thu Dec 4 18:03:40 2003:

Jack Kerouac?


#214 of 224 by remmers on Thu Dec 4 18:14:15 2003:

Actually, I've decided that this isn't Ezra Pound after all.  Can I
withdraw my guess?  (Just can't picture Pound calling anyone "Bob".
Nor complaining about paying attention to what dead people had to
say.)


#215 of 224 by willcome on Thu Dec 4 22:23:21 2003:

I say it's Pink Floyd.


#216 of 224 by polygon on Fri Dec 5 05:55:37 2003:

Not Dorothy Parker, Ezra Pound, or Jack Kerouac.

I'll post some of his prose soon.


#217 of 224 by polygon on Fri Dec 5 06:06:52 2003:

Okay, while I look for the book I have in mind, here's another poem by the
same author (after the dashed line below).

I am VERY surprised that nobody has guessed this one yet.  I left out the
final lines of the first poem because I thought it would be TOO obvious.

The following is a complete poem.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Bricklayer Love

I thought of killing myself because I am only a bricklayer
      and you a woman who loves the man who runs a drug store.

I don't care like I used to; I lay bricks straighter than I
      used to and I sing slower handling the trowel afternoons.

When the sun is in my eyes and the ladders are shaky and the
      mortar boards go wrong, I think of you.


#218 of 224 by other on Fri Dec 5 06:13:08 2003:

Burroughs


#219 of 224 by polygon on Fri Dec 5 06:39:48 2003:

Re 218.  Not Burroughs.


#220 of 224 by happyboy on Fri Dec 5 06:54:22 2003:

shit...uh...frank o'hara?


#221 of 224 by polygon on Fri Dec 5 13:50:05 2003:

Re 220.  Not Frank O'Hara.


#222 of 224 by remmers on Tue Dec 9 10:31:13 2003:

Another quote then?  Or hint?  Please?


#223 of 224 by gelinas on Tue Dec 9 12:45:22 2003:

(Quotes so far from the current guest writer are in #191, #202 and #217.)


#224 of 224 by polygon on Tue Dec 9 14:50:30 2003:

Yes, yes, I'm trying to find a sample from the author's voluminous prose
works, none of which seem to be online.  I'll try to get one posted today.


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