Grex Helpers Conference

Item 135: Grex System Announcements - Fall 2004

Entered by i on Thu Sep 23 01:59:26 2004:

135 new of 139 responses total.

#5 of 139 by slynne on Fri Oct 1 23:31:18 2004:

Thanks JOe!

#6 of 139 by tsty on Tue Oct 5 05:06:18 2004:

thankxxxxx gelinas!

#7 of 139 by naftee on Tue Oct 5 16:00:05 2004:

re 3 He didn't !

#8 of 139 by janc on Tue Oct 5 19:28:51 2004:

The new Grex server is inching closer to coming into service.  I've
written up a summary of what changes to expect at

   http://www.unixpapa.com/nextgrex.html

#9 of 139 by aruba on Tue Oct 5 20:25:14 2004:

Thanks Jan - that's a nice summary.

#10 of 139 by remmers on Tue Oct 5 20:27:04 2004:

Nice writeup, Jan.  Thanks loads for all the work you've put into this.

#11 of 139 by mfp on Tue Oct 5 20:55:27 2004:

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#12 of 139 by tod on Tue Oct 5 21:00:41 2004:

You'll have to pass a DHS background check and show up to at least one Grex
feeding frenzy..er Grexwalk.

#13 of 139 by gull on Wed Oct 6 02:17:09 2004:

Re resp:8: Thanks for posting this.  It's really reassuring to know that 
progress is being made.

Re resp:11: That's a seperate issue.  Since it's a bylaw issue, the way 
to get it changed is to make a proposal in coop and convince people to 
vote for it.

#14 of 139 by krokus on Wed Oct 6 02:25:25 2004:

The feeding frenzy is the Grex Lunch, not the walk.  :P

#15 of 139 by rcurl on Wed Oct 6 05:49:05 2004:

A change in the bylaws to not require ID would be a violation of state
law. The corporation *must* be able to produce a membership list,when
required by law, showing legal names and addresses (it does not have to
make it public, however).

#16 of 139 by mfp on Wed Oct 6 05:51:46 2004:

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#17 of 139 by rcurl on Wed Oct 6 05:59:32 2004:

I have posted the relevant sections of the Michigan Consolidated Laws. 
(Any single, or married, lawyers here, to repeat this to mfp?)

#18 of 139 by mfp on Wed Oct 6 06:09:20 2004:

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#19 of 139 by mcnally on Wed Oct 6 06:37:32 2004:

 re #15:  I read the section of the Michigan code that you posted
 and must have missed the part that unambiguously supports your
 position..

#20 of 139 by rcurl on Wed Oct 6 07:20:10 2004:

My wife doesn't think I'm single - singular, perhaps.

What's ambiguous about "shall make and certify a complete list of the
shareholders or members entitled to vote"? How can you do that without
ID? But, consider also 450.2485:

"The corporation shall keep at its registered office....records containing
the names and addresses of all shareholders or members.......A corporation
shall convert into written form without charge any record...upon written
request of a person entitled to inspect them."

This sort of requirement is scattered throughout the MCL. It is remiss of
directors of a non-profit to not be familiar with the body of non-profit
law anyway, in order to avoid mistakes in creating bylaws and acts.

#21 of 139 by mcnally on Wed Oct 6 08:25:18 2004:

> What's ambiguous about "shall make and certify a complete list of the
> shareholders or members entitled to vote"?

The ambiguous part is what level of diligence is required on the part of
the corporation to ensure that the information is correct.  It says nothing
about ID.

> How can you do that without ID?

I still don't see anything in the law that requires ID.

#22 of 139 by tpryan on Wed Oct 6 11:22:20 2004:

        I'm moving to the idea of ID verifing all (new) accounts.

#23 of 139 by other on Wed Oct 6 13:34:19 2004:

Tim, non illegitimati carborundum est.  ;)

#24 of 139 by tod on Wed Oct 6 16:14:32 2004:

re #15
"required by law, showing legal names and addresses"
You forgot to add some other stuff not mentioned like social security numbers,
favorite color, favorite soft drink, and number of toes on the left foot. ;)

The laws for non-profits plainly state you just need a list of members.
PERIOD.  The requirement for ID is a fabrication by Cyberspace, Inc.

#25 of 139 by mfp on Wed Oct 6 16:44:12 2004:

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#26 of 139 by albaugh on Wed Oct 6 16:52:43 2004:

"Fabrication" or not, it's the way grex "wants" it.  You don't like it, 
then have a member propose a change to the bylaws.  All this continued
complaining is simply childish and accomplishes nothing.

#27 of 139 by tod on Wed Oct 6 17:03:00 2004:

I'm a member DISCUSSING it. Go soak your head.

#28 of 139 by mfp on Wed Oct 6 17:19:12 2004:

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#29 of 139 by mcnally on Wed Oct 6 17:21:10 2004:

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#30 of 139 by mcnally on Wed Oct 6 17:21:58 2004:

 re #27:  And you're DISCUSSING it in the SYSTEM ANNOUNCEMENT items.
 HOW ABOUT rounding up your RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION and CAPITAL LETTERS
 and taking them BOTH to the CO-OP CONFERENCE?

#31 of 139 by tod on Wed Oct 6 17:22:51 2004:

  re #29:  MaYBe i WIll Do ThaT mISter DeWEy dECimAl SySTem LIbRaRiAN.

#32 of 139 by tod on Wed Oct 6 17:24:25 2004:

re #29
Why are you calling me swear words and then censoring it? That's not a way
to behave in the system problems item.  ;)

#33 of 139 by remmers on Wed Oct 6 17:35:16 2004:

(This is the Grex System Announcements item.  Discussion about any Grex
policy is certainly appropriate, but the Coop conference might be a 
better place for it.)

#34 of 139 by albaugh on Wed Oct 6 17:57:41 2004:

Complaining is not improving grex.  There is a well-defined way to propose
and possibly enact a change to the bylaws.

#35 of 139 by naftee on Thu Oct 7 05:14:29 2004:

Which is incidentally only available to people who have decided to throw down
their right to privacy in the name of GreX.  How many people can you possibly
expect to do this?  Incidentally, the number is dropping every month.

#36 of 139 by rcurl on Thu Oct 7 06:04:22 2004:

No one's privacy is violated by having to produce ID for membership. The
only records kept by Grex are names and addresses.

#37 of 139 by aruba on Thu Oct 7 14:16:50 2004:

No, that's not true, Rane.  We keep copies of ID on file in case a member
does something bad with their internet privileges, adn law enforcement needs
to track them down.  As I said above, this has never happened.

#38 of 139 by gull on Thu Oct 7 15:25:25 2004:

Re resp:35: You don't need to be a member to post in co-op, last I checked.

This incessant whining is getting old, especially since, given the
attitudes you've expressed in the past, I'm sure you have no intention
of becoming a member even if the ID requirement is dropped.

#39 of 139 by mooncat on Thu Oct 7 15:40:08 2004:

to continue 37, (if I may) But that doesn't mean it won't, which is why 
we need them.

#40 of 139 by aruba on Thu Oct 7 16:28:27 2004:

I think we should be talking about real ways to increase Grex's membership.
But I think that we need to get the new machine online first; now is not the
time to be asking people for more money. :)

I'd like to point out again that Grex did relax the ID rule recently, by
allowing verified members of Paypal to use that status to become members of
Grex.  So if you don't feel comfortable sending ID to Grex, you can send it
to Paypal instead.

#41 of 139 by rcurl on Thu Oct 7 16:33:10 2004:

Re #37: I stand corrected. However none of that additional information would
have to be divulged to persons that are otherwise entitled to only observe
a list of names and addresses.

#42 of 139 by tod on Thu Oct 7 16:34:44 2004:

Does Grex have a privacy statement somewhere for the public which notifies
them of the details in re#37 & 40?

#43 of 139 by twenex on Thu Oct 7 16:42:57 2004:

Re: increasing membership: How about offering grex products to members "on
the cheap"? or fixing the dsl modem (yes, i know there are problems with lack
of time; I'm simply pointing out that something closer to 24/7 service is more
likely to bring us more members than a flake net connexion).

#44 of 139 by aruba on Thu Oct 7 16:45:38 2004:

Like I said, now is not the time.  In a few weeks, hopefully.

#45 of 139 by tod on Thu Oct 7 16:49:55 2004:

re #38
 This incessant whining is getting old, especially since, given the
 attitudes you've expressed in the past, I'm sure you have no intention
 of becoming a member even if the ID requirement is dropped.
I'm a member and have donated a full working dsl modem which is waiting to
be flashed for SDSL from its current iDSL configuration.  Your "attitude" is
the only "incessant" whining I see in this item.  We're trying to be realists
instead of idealists about some very real circumstances in Grex and telling
us to shutup or excuse criticisms by a few that you dislike for other reasons
is not very productive.

#46 of 139 by aruba on Thu Oct 7 17:56:31 2004:

Re #42: There are some details in the membership FAQ,
/---------------------------------------\
| http://www.cyberspace.org/memfaq.html |
\---------------------------------------/

#47 of 139 by tod on Thu Oct 7 18:04:06 2004:

re #46
Thanks.  Do you feel comfortable that there is no mention of the photocopied
ID being held in a file for exclusive view by any investigator or law
enforcement official "just in case"?  I think it would be a good policy to
be as forthcoming as possible about the limit of privacy a person can expect
with their ID.  Maybe even go so far as to explain where the ID will be stored
and how much security that involves so they can get a "feel" if their identity
is "really" protected.

     There are two reasons Grex requires ID from its members:
    1. While we are very comfortable allowing anonymous users access to
       Grex, we are not comfortable unleashing them on the rest of the
       Internet. It would be irresponsible of the Grex administration to
       allow people we can't identify to telnet through Grex to other
       systems, so we require ID from everyone we allow to do that.
    2. Cyberspace Communications is required by the state of Michigan to
       maintain an up-to-date list of members. Implied in this requirement

#48 of 139 by aruba on Thu Oct 7 18:15:33 2004:

The FAQ says that ID is only available to the treasurer.  It also says that
ID information is not stored on the net.  I think that's pretty clear.  If
people want more information than that, they can ask, and I'll tell them.

#49 of 139 by mfp on Thu Oct 7 18:18:50 2004:

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#50 of 139 by gull on Thu Oct 7 20:03:37 2004:

Re resp:45: You'll note that comment was directed at naftee.  He's shown
time and time again that he's only here to troll.  He's not really
interested in Grex's future or its policies, except to the extent he can
use them to make trouble.

#51 of 139 by tod on Thu Oct 7 20:07:19 2004:

Be niggards of advice on no pretense; For the worst avarice is that of sense.
 -Alexander Pope's "Essay on Criticism"

#52 of 139 by naftee on Fri Oct 8 01:42:30 2004:

re 50 
It's funny how you have difficulty following through with even your _own_
logic.  Let us entertain your suggestion for the sake of argument.  If my
intention in life were in fact to cause as much trouble as possible for GreX
and its policies (a fact which is obviously false), can you not see that
sending money to GreX for a membership would be a logical extension to this
troublemaking?  And by further extension, can you not see that this would be
thereby a form of _helping_ GreX, by keeping it alive with money and variety?
For shame, gull.

#53 of 139 by tod on Tue Oct 12 16:46:17 2004:

When I type "n", bbs does not take me to new items in other conferences from
my conference list.  :(

#54 of 139 by ric on Tue Oct 12 17:58:07 2004:

Me neither.

Of course, I don't have any other conferences in my conference list.

#55 of 139 by cmcgee on Tue Oct 12 19:43:12 2004:

My "n"; go to next conference on my .cflist is working just fine.

#56 of 139 by remmers on Tue Oct 12 20:16:12 2004:

Re #53:  Does "check" list the conferences on your cflist?

#57 of 139 by twenex on Wed Oct 13 02:23:18 2004:

Tod, check the permissions on your homedir, they should be rwxr-x-r--, or 754

#58 of 139 by tod on Wed Oct 13 15:58:41 2004:

re #57
Excellent detective work. ;)

#59 of 139 by deepflay on Wed Oct 13 22:08:30 2004:

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#60 of 139 by twenex on Wed Oct 13 23:38:15 2004:

Re: #57. Heh, thanks -- but some of the credit at least should go to gelinas
(and scott (?)) - I had the same problem and they asked me to check my
permissions.

#61 of 139 by remmers on Fri Oct 22 20:29:10 2004:

Nominations are open now through November 15 for the Grex Board of Directors.
See Item 207 in the Coop conference (item:coop.207) for background and to
make nominations.

#62 of 139 by baker on Thu Oct 28 01:52:07 2004:

I would like to offer a loaf of my  best bredz to who(mever) wins our support.

#63 of 139 by naftee on Thu Oct 28 02:17:20 2004:

Thanks, man.

#64 of 139 by tod on Sun Oct 31 23:00:54 2004:

IWLTA Arthur is an aardvark and Buster is a bunny.  http://pbskids.org/arth
ur/

#65 of 139 by gregb on Mon Nov 1 14:44:12 2004:

And this is relevant because...

#66 of 139 by tpryan on Mon Nov 1 17:22:27 2004:

        becasue Chester is a camel.

#67 of 139 by gregb on Mon Nov 1 17:41:17 2004:

OK, I must'ov missed something.  Who's Chester?

#68 of 139 by tod on Mon Nov 1 18:19:07 2004:

re #65
Relevance lies in the "WTF is THAT animal?" when you see Arthur.

#69 of 139 by gregb on Mon Nov 1 18:37:38 2004:

But it doesn't fit in the context of the other msgs.

#70 of 139 by tod on Mon Nov 1 18:41:28 2004:

These are GENERAL announcements.  Did I miss something?

#71 of 139 by gelinas on Tue Nov 2 02:48:14 2004:

Yes, you missed something: This is the "Grex System Announcements" item.

#72 of 139 by gelinas on Tue Nov 2 02:53:06 2004:

You were off by one, tod. :)

#73 of 139 by tod on Tue Nov 2 05:16:32 2004:

*SNAP*

#74 of 139 by whoose on Tue Nov 2 14:01:05 2004:

Okeyyyyyy!!!!!

#75 of 139 by naftee on Mon Nov 8 12:59:16 2004:

Will GreX be affected by the spectacular display of Northern Lights seen last
night?

#76 of 139 by remmers on Mon Nov 8 16:37:03 2004:

I certainly hope so.

#77 of 139 by janc on Thu Nov 11 03:13:19 2004:

I've upgrade backtalk on old-Grex to version 1.3.16.

This brings in many bug fixes and relatively few feature upgrades (most
of the new features are not Grex-compatible and are not enabled here).

Abalone changes substantially, now using style-sheets (albeit in a
somewhat limited way).  However, with any luck, you shouldn't notice.

Main new feature is a very experimental RSS feed.  This is at
  http://grex.org/cgi-bin/backtalk/cinnamon/conf?conf=agora
This is almost entirely untested.  All I can really say is that it looks
like valid RSS to me.  I'll enter a garage item for further discussion
of the RSS interface.

#78 of 139 by remmers on Fri Nov 12 18:09:35 2004:

REMINDER:  Monday, November 15 is the last day to place names in
nomination for the Grex Board of Directors.  Voting begins on
December 1.  See Item 207 in Coop for discussion and to make
nominations.

#79 of 139 by janc on Sun Nov 14 19:17:34 2004:

If you've been using the previous announced RSS feed, the URL has now changed.
It is now:

    http://www.cyberspace.org/cgi-bin/backtalk/cinnamon?conf=agora

#80 of 139 by remmers on Tue Nov 16 14:14:22 2004:

Nominations for the Grex Board of Directors are now CLOSED.  Nominees have
until the start of voting on December 1 to decide whether to run and to
get their membership status in order.  See item 207 in the Coop conference
(item:coop.207) for discussion.

#81 of 139 by naftee on Wed Nov 17 02:53:46 2004:

I nominate John H Remmers

#82 of 139 by xh8426 on Thu Nov 18 14:45:30 2004:

I am a Chinese boy.
seek advice
who can help me?
if you can,please mail to me
my email adress is xh8426@163.com
add my website site is http://www.xuhao.net/
my name is xuhao.and i am a student.


send
?
/

#83 of 139 by xh8426 on Thu Nov 18 15:06:46 2004:

I look forward to your letter.
I like the computer.But our china is all chinese characters.seeing English
operating system has a little difficuly .I just studied this system too.
Hope that everybody helps me!

#84 of 139 by mfp on Thu Nov 18 16:01:36 2004:

This sounds like a case for Keesan.

#85 of 139 by tod on Thu Nov 18 16:57:51 2004:

xuhao
welcome to Grex.
I'll help if you ask.
What part of China are you?

#86 of 139 by gregb on Thu Nov 18 18:37:35 2004:

And of course, telling us what your problem is would help.

#87 of 139 by gelinas on Fri Nov 19 02:40:43 2004:

I power-cycled the DSL modem because I couldn't get to grex.  When I stopped
by, the WAN and LANR lights were blinking, the LANT light was out, and the
other lights were solid.  When I turned the modem back on, and the PWR, TEST
and LINK lights were solid, the WAN, LANT and LANR lights all began blinking.
So we should be back on the air.

#88 of 139 by keesan on Fri Nov 19 05:43:05 2004:

Thanks, we are.  I was able to dial in earlier but not use lynx.  I hope this
problem will disappaer at the new location.

#89 of 139 by xh8426 on Fri Nov 19 10:04:38 2004:

Thanks a lot!
I want to study the unix system.and domestic operating system is all
windows.and all chinese.my english is very terrible.i don't know how to study
if there is someone that can help me.you can send mails to me.i am in the east
of china....jiangsu.welcome you reach my home acts as a guests at the same
time.I hope your letter.

#90 of 139 by xh8426 on Thu Nov 25 22:26:36 2004:

anyone can mail to me

#91 of 139 by gelinas on Sat Nov 27 04:45:18 2004:

A Reminder:

        Grex will be down most of the day on Saturday, 27 November 2004,
        to back up its disks to tape.

I'll update 

        http://www.hvcn.org/info/grex/

as I progress.

#92 of 139 by gelinas on Sun Nov 28 00:48:04 2004:

The disk backup failed: every tape I tried, fresh from the wrapper, generated
"write" errors.

I apologise for the lost day.

#93 of 139 by keesan on Sun Nov 28 04:45:19 2004:

You lost more of the day than we did.  Thanks for all your work.  Is the tape
drive perhaps going bad?

#94 of 139 by naftee on Sun Nov 28 07:19:18 2004:

Valerie strikes again!

#95 of 139 by twenex on Sun Nov 28 11:30:19 2004:

Re: #93. Sounds like it, doesn't it?

#96 of 139 by slynne on Sun Nov 28 12:52:05 2004:

thanks for making the effort.

#97 of 139 by drew on Sun Nov 28 21:23:44 2004:

Personally I've seldom had good luck with tape. CDR disks work somewhat
better, but occasionally one does eventually go bad on me. I'm not sure about
DVD-R/RW, as they haven't been around long enough yet. My best results for
backing up have been with an extra hard drive, plugged in for the purpose then
removed when the backup is complete. CF cards are also good, though a bit
expensive per-megabyte at the moment. They're coming down, though.

#98 of 139 by tpryan on Sun Nov 28 23:05:39 2004:

        External harddrives are now in the range of $1 a Gigabyte.
BTW new floppy disks are also near $1 for 1.44 Megabyte.

#99 of 139 by mcnally on Mon Nov 29 00:58:16 2004:

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#100 of 139 by gelinas on Mon Nov 29 01:16:16 2004:

I've started an item in garage, #173, to discuss back-up options.  Once the
ideas have coalesced, we can start an item in coop for the decision.  Or
the garage item can be linked to coop, as the fairwitness prefers.

#101 of 139 by mfp on Mon Nov 29 02:11:37 2004:

I think the best idea is to get someone COMPETENT to do the backups.

#102 of 139 by gull on Mon Nov 29 15:14:03 2004:

I thought that tape drive was almost new.  Maybe it just needs cleaning?

#103 of 139 by tod on Mon Nov 29 17:28:14 2004:

Thanks for reminding us at 11pm the night before that the system would be down
all day. *cough* ;)

#104 of 139 by albaugh on Mon Nov 29 19:10:24 2004:

I believe the notice was in the motd at least 2 days prior to the back.

Geez, no [attempted] good deed goes unpunished around here...  :-(

#105 of 139 by tod on Mon Nov 29 19:26:18 2004:

re #104
 I believe the notice was in the motd at least 2 days prior to the back.

I believe Grex was off the Internet all of Wednesday, came up til 2pm on
Friday, then disappeared again and didn't come back
up til late Friday night.  How is that "2 days prior" when the system wasn't 
even up a full 2 days straight?

**This is from M-Net's Grex conference where most people check for a
status(contrary to the idea anyone ever goes to HVCN):

#18 Ken Josenhans (krj) Fri, Nov 26, 2004 (14:16):
 Grex came back up late Wednesday night, was up for all? of Thursday,
 and at 2 pm it rolled off the net again.  I haven't tried direct dial
 yet.


#19 Ken Josenhans (krj) Fri, Nov 26, 2004 (20:20):
 I tried direct dial; it looks like the actual Grex computer is down,
 not just off the net.

#20 Slow on the uptake (justcarl) Fri, Nov 26, 2004 (21:07):
        same here, as of 9:10 pm (Est)

#21 Ken Josenhans (krj) Sat, Nov 27, 2004 (00:15):
 Grex was rebooted and came back sometime Friday evening.

#106 of 139 by other on Mon Nov 29 21:27:34 2004:

Some of us have no active account on mnet and do not want to create one
just to periodically check Grex's status, assuming mnet newuser is even
running.

#107 of 139 by tod on Mon Nov 29 21:42:18 2004:

re #106
That's another good point.  What's the fallback when the grex.org website goes
offline?  Is it possible to have a redirect to a "down for maintenance" page?

#108 of 139 by mary on Mon Nov 29 22:00:32 2004:

I think Joe had that message in the motd for a good long time,
but he'd have to give the specifics. 

And Joe kept Grex's status updated at:

http://www.hvcn.org/info/grex/

Thanks again, Joe.  Let the rest roll, please, it doesn't
speak for many at all.

#109 of 139 by cmcgee on Mon Nov 29 22:33:42 2004:

I saw the MOTD message for several days; my sense was Monday or Tuesday before
the Saturday along with the address at hvcn for update info.

#110 of 139 by tod on Mon Nov 29 22:51:18 2004:

You get a gold star then.  The rest of us have quicker terminals.

#111 of 139 by naftee on Mon Nov 29 23:03:09 2004:

WAIT guys; why is john remmers ONLY allowed to use his initials in the
MOTD, whereas Joseph Gelinas (user gelinas) proudly displays his full
loginid ?!

Nominations for the Grex Board of Directors are now CLOSED.  Nominees have
until the start of voting on December 1 to decide whether to accept and to
get their membership status in order.  See Item 207 in the Coop conference
for related discussion.  -jhr

Grex was down on Saturday, November 27, for a disk backup that failed.
                                                                - gelinas.

#112 of 139 by mfp on Mon Nov 29 23:16:23 2004:

And why does gelinas get an extra space and period?!  Looks like just another
case of favoured users for favoured people to me.

#113 of 139 by mcnally on Tue Nov 30 00:40:09 2004:

Silence, Grexdrone!

#114 of 139 by gelinas on Tue Nov 30 01:09:31 2004:

IIRC, I put the notice of the backup in the MOTD on Saturday or Sunday.

We try to keep the MOTD down to a single screen, roughly 23 lines.  With the
addition of the birthday greetings (which I don't see, BTW) and other things
in people's .login/.cshrc/.profile/etc files, that may be too much.  Still,
we do the best we can.

#115 of 139 by gelinas on Tue Nov 30 01:37:36 2004:

Still, I _could_ have remembered this item earlier than I did.  I'll try to
remember to use it, should there be a next time.

#116 of 139 by slynne on Tue Nov 30 02:28:28 2004:

You sure are a good natured fellow, gelinas.

#117 of 139 by mfp on Tue Nov 30 02:36:04 2004:

#4 of 30: by Joseph L Gelinas (gelinas) on Sat, Mar 13, 2004 (19:13):
 JP2.  Fuck.  Off.

#118 of 139 by mfp on Tue Nov 30 02:39:25 2004:

#36 of 169: by Joseph L Gelinas (gelinas) on Thu, Jan  8, 2004 (00:13):

(Unrelated material excised.)

 News flash, mynxcat:  YOU are one of the annoying ones.  YOU are part of
 the problem.  I invite you to re-read this conference, concentrating on
 the responses from "mynxcat" and consider them as a third person.  *JUST*
 this conference; no need to torture yourself with your reponses in agora,
 present or past, nor international.

(Another excision.)

#119 of 139 by charcat on Tue Nov 30 04:52:09 2004:

I also remember seeing the notice of being shut down sat on monday or
tuesday. Thanks for the work Joe!

#120 of 139 by naftee on Tue Nov 30 05:00:46 2004:

It's the beard that does it!

#121 of 139 by remmers on Tue Nov 30 13:16:18 2004:

Yep, thanks Joe.

#122 of 139 by tod on Tue Nov 30 20:33:19 2004:

Yes, thanks Joe!
(By the way, did you get a chance to restore that parenting cf item?) ;)

#123 of 139 by remmers on Wed Dec 1 13:04:14 2004:

The polls are open now through December 15 for the Grex Board of
Directors election.  For more information or to cast a ballot, run
the "vote" program -- if you have tty connection (dialup, telnet, ssh),
you do this by typing  vote  at a Unix shell prompt or  !vote  at
most other prompts.  Or you can do this via the web at
http://cyberspace.org/cgi-bin/pw/voting-booth .

Any user can cast a ballot, but only the votes of members in good
standing will be counted in determining the outcome.  If you have
questions about your membership status, email the Grex treasurer,
aruba@cyberspace.org.

You can change your vote anytime before the polls close by re-running
the vote program.

#124 of 139 by remmers on Wed Dec 1 13:08:44 2004:

You can find discussion of the election and the candidates in the Coop
conference  (conf:coop).

#125 of 139 by tod on Wed Dec 1 16:48:47 2004:

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#126 of 139 by keesan on Wed Dec 1 18:05:26 2004:

Tod, I voted and I noticed that you had no statement.  Do you plan to add one
soon?

#127 of 139 by tod on Wed Dec 1 18:07:48 2004:

I had to change the file permissions on my home directory.  My statement
should be readable now.  Thanks Cindy!

#128 of 139 by tsty on Thu Dec 2 20:23:47 2004:

thankxx gelinas ... better luck next time.

#129 of 139 by xh8426 on Sun Dec 5 12:21:14 2004:


I am lonely

#130 of 139 by keesan on Sun Dec 5 19:09:16 2004:

Try party instead of bbs.  Party is live, bbs a message board.

#131 of 139 by remmers on Tue Dec 14 15:54:45 2004:

Wednesday December 15 is the LAST DAY TO VOTE in the Grex Board of
Directors election.  The polls close at the end of that day, Eastern
Standard Time.

Reminder on how to vote, or to get more information on the candidates:
From a TTY connection (dialup, telnet, ssh), type  vote  at a Unix shell
prompt or  !vote  at most other prompts.  For a web interface, go to
http://cyberspace.org/cgi-bin/pw/voting-booth .

#132 of 139 by remmers on Thu Dec 16 14:52:14 2004:

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#133 of 139 by remmers on Thu Dec 16 14:56:26 2004:

 Board election results:  40 out of 67 eligible members voted.

     Dave Cahill      30
     Joe Gelinas      37
     Todd Plesco      10
     Steve Van Loon   30

Dave Cahill, Joe Gelinas, and Steve Van Loon are elected to two-year terms.

#134 of 139 by tod on Thu Dec 16 16:23:21 2004:

Congratulations!

#135 of 139 by mfp on Thu Dec 16 17:12:25 2004:

HEY< TOD< THANKS FOR THE WEBCAM AND T_SHIRT!

THEW PACKAGE HAD BRIGHT YELLOW OPENED BY CUSTOMS -- OUVERT PAR LES DOUANES
ON IT!

#136 of 139 by tod on Thu Dec 16 17:25:40 2004:

Agence des douanes et du revenu du Canada?!

#137 of 139 by keesan on Fri Dec 17 00:25:07 2004:

40 out of 67 is better turnout than the last US election.  I bet EVERYONE
voted for Joe except the three other candidates.

#138 of 139 by naftee on Sun Dec 19 04:01:03 2004:

WHOA< TOD> I VOTED FOR YOU><
WHAT"S THE T_SHIRT SAY?

#139 of 139 by gelinas on Thu Dec 23 01:48:12 2004:

Grex will be turned off on Sunday, 26 December 2004, while we move to the
new machine.

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