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I got a checking account at age 30 when I needed to settle my mother's finances after her death. My bank gave free money orders that I used to pay the rent. I still only write about 3 checks a month - my utility payments are automatically deducted. Insurance two checks a year. Bulk food once in a while.
I'm not sure if it's "chequing" or "checking". AH well.
I was told that checks are legal documents and you can't sign them until you've reached 18. Intuitively this does seem to make sense -- can the cops serve a warrant on a bad check to a juvie? It may be the case that in practice it's accepted, but technically a juvenile could repudiate a check without penalty. Wouldn't surprise me.
I had to be the joint owner of my daughter's checking account, which she got at age 17. Re#65: apart from the question of what you mean by "children", what's wrong with "children" opening checking accounts? Except for that legal stuff, it is good for "children" to learn to manage money as soon as they are responsible enough.
71: I wondered that, as well. There were times when I entertained the notion of going on a shopping spree, and then point out that I was too young to enter a contract and the cashier who checked my ID should have known, and blah, blah, blah. Though it's a contractual agreement to pay, it is a violation of state law (at least, in Michigan) to knowingly write a check in an amount that exceeds the funds you have available in your account. I'm reasonably sure it falls under "uttering and publishing". Joe would obviously know way more about it than I would, but I'm guessing that the state law sets the bar for intent, and that's different from actually entering a contract.
System announcement: Polls are open through the end of the day (EST), February 7, on two member proposals. To see the proposals or cast a ballot, type 'vote' at a Unix shell prompt, '!vote' at any other prompt. If you are reading this on the web, you need to make a dialup, telnet, or ssh connection to do this. Discussion of these proposals is in items 75 and 76 of the Coop conference.
Sure thing
hey is this conference still on???
Re #73: I've never looked at the law on minors and checking accounts, but
it's a general principle that minors can't be held to contracts
unless they're for necessities.
Re resp:76: It disappears when you're not observing it.
Re #77:
Why are "necessities" an exception?
grex locked up this evening when /usr/local filled up. I'm trying to free up some space on the drive now.
I freed up some space on /usr/local. I don't think another reboot is needed now.
Why did /usr/local fill up?
Not sure. I'd been collecting core files /user/local/etc/domain, and there was another in /usr/local/etc/newuser. Removing the named core files freed up a bit space, roughly 40 percent of the disk.
zoundz, them's a buncha cores ... i thought core files were identified somehow as 'do not save' thankx for 40%back savngs accounts are openable by minors, at least in missouri in the 50s.
I'd been hoping to use the core files to figure out why named keeps crashing. It turns out we don't have enough information to solve the problem, and time is better spent migrating.
Re #79: I'm not sure.
TWILA that I'm directly responsible for twenty-two of the last fourty-seven names keesan has twit-filtered.
Hey sweet; you and jp2 are like the only regulars.
The polls are open now through March 9 on a member proposal to restore some deleted bbs items. Type vote at a Unix shell prompt, !vote at most other prompts, to see the proposal or cast a ballot. For discussion, see Coop item 112.
Does anyone keep party logs from 1995?
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heh
The motion to clarify Grex's policy on item deletion PASSED, 21 yes to 19 no, with 40 out of 77 eligible members voting. See Coop item 111 (item:coop,111) for related discussion.
Are the other 37 members actually receiving notification of the vote, for instance by email? Not everyone logs in often enought o read the motd before every vote, but they might be forwarding their email. This is a pretty low voter turnout.
The answer is "no". I have brought this idea up before, some said "good idea", but it has never been implemented.
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See item 111, response 154 of the Coop conference for the wording. Backtalkers can click on this link ---> resp:coop,111,154 Re #94: Turnout isn't all that low compared to some past votes, but I agree that email notification would be reasonable when a vote starts. Meant to start doing it, but with the hyperactive recent voting activity the idea kind of got lost in the shuffle, mentally speaking. Would there be any objection to my doing it from now on, starting with the current vote? It's on my own proposal, but I guess that's not a conflict since anyone notified has the option of voting for or against. I'd word the email to simply announce the vote, not advocate a particular side.
Sounds good to me, John.
There is no "abuse" in announcing a member vote, regardless of whose proposal it is.
Okay. I'm glad I don't have to recuse myself. :) Probably won't have time to do it until tomorrow.
recuse?
It's what judges do when they decline to hear a case because of a conflict of interest.
I like recusing myself.
Go for it, John.
JUST DO IT "
re #102 ... only if htey are honest to begin with .. been there; seen that.
Re resp:99: I agree, though as a courtesy it would be good to keep a list of people who do not want to receive vote notifications.
You have several choices: