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Hi every one!...i wat to make frinnd. forget
Hey, I get that ls -l problem above also.
Try dialing in to 761-5041 - it seems to have solved all my disconnect and download problems. I was hoping someone had found the time by now to remove whatever modem is on 761-3000 or at least switch it with something at the end of the queue. I also used to get disconnected on occasions other than using Kermit (I think when hitting keys too fast in Pine) and don't now.
Re #6: Yes, that's exactly the behavior I see on one of the modems. (And despite YEARS of complaints, the staff has still made no attempt to fix it, or even determine which modem.)
Russ, staff (me, actually) has done a number things over the years to try to improve modem performance and reliability.
nslookup is STILL not working. It displays no messages and simply sits until you break out of it.
Has anyone else been unable to print emails in Pine by typing Y? It used to
work. Printscreen works. I am using Kermit, same as always. I checked this
when my friend with the angels reported that her printer stopped working but
print screen still worked for her.
Russ, I don't think complaints are appropriate in a volunteer
organization. Suggestions are acceptable, thanks are appropriate. I thank
Scott in advance in case he finds the time to switch modems and in the
meantime have solved the problem by not dialing 761-3000. Why don't you try
the same solution?
I also thank Scott, again, for the time he came over to figure out why
I was having modem problems and explained something about flow control on my
end, and got things working correctly. Way beyond the call of volunteer duty.
In Pine, Y defaults to "Attached-to-ansi"; if your terminal software does not support an attached ANSI printer, you can't print. So look at the settings of your teminal program.
Re #13: Until Scott piped up above (which was after I wrote #12, albeit before I was able to post it) I had seen little or no feedback. Suggestions for debugging the modems appear to go into a black hole even when the effort appears minimal, and has for years.
} Respond, pass, forget, quit, or ? for more options? !nslookup \
coll.staff.itd.umich.edu
} Server: localhost
} Address: 127.0.0.1
}
} Non-authoritative answer:
} Name: coll.staff.itd.umich.edu
} Address: 141.213.231.101
What's the problem?
I have not changed my terminal settings (Kermit, mskermit.ini and
mscustom.ini) and I just checked and it is still set for use with an attached
printer ('uncomment this line if you do not have an attached printer' is not
uncommented). The exact same software was working and now is not. I have
a printer switch (I think it was working with that AB switch before) but my
friend does not even have that and her printer is a different model.
Are other people able to print with Y in Pine?
Russ, do you know how to 'debug' a modem?
I just tried printing with 'Y' in Pine and it worked. I'm using TeraTerm Pro version 2.3.
Thanks, I will give it another try with Kermit. Did anyone change any settings in Pine in the past couple of months?
You fixed it! Today Pine prints with Y, not just PrtScn. Maybe something screwy was happening with the Printer AB switch box. Jim had a file transfer cable connect via it. Thanks for checking.
*sigh* I am having problems sending mail via Pine with HyperTerminal. Is it because my Grex settings and HyperTerminal settings are not to the same terminal type? i.e., how do I check preferences in Grex?
Re printing, my friend with the angels says Pine is printing on her printer but choosing which lines to print, not all of them. I suggesting trying a different printer.
Re #16: Try typing in "nslookup <IP address>". It gives me nothing.
} Respond, pass, forget, quit, or ? for more options? !nslookup 141.213.231.101 } Server: localhost } Address: 127.0.0.1 } } Name: coll.staff.itd.umich.edu } Address: 141.213.231.101
'which' nslookup ? Russ, try looking up the IP galenas did, and try entering the address you are trying so galenas can try it.
Good idea; wish I'd thought of it: } grex.cyberspace.org% whereis nslookup } nslookup: /usr/lib/nslookup.help /usr/local/bin/nslookup \ } /usr/etc/nslookup.FCS /usr/etc/nslookup } grex.cyberspace.org% l /usr/local/bin/nslookup /usr/etc/nslookup } -rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 113632 Dec 4 1998 /usr/etc/nslookup* } -rwxr-xr-x 1 bin bin 90112 Dec 8 1995 \ } /usr/local/bin/nslookup* } grex.cyberspace.org% which nslookup } /usr/local/bin/nslookup } grex.cyberspace.org% But: } grex.cyberspace.org% /usr/etc/nslookup 141.213.231.101 } Server: localhost } Address: 127.0.0.1 } } Name: coll.staff.itd.umich.edu } Address: 141.213.231.101 } } grex.cyberspace.org%
Re #21: I've had nothing but trouble with HyperTerminal's VT100 emulation. You might want to try a better terminal program, like TeraTerm Pro (which is free).
Kermit is shareware and does excellent VT100 and VT320 etc.
yeh, look for tterm23 on google ... five pages of returns. it's the smartest, smoothest telnet AND serial/dialup pgm that mdw ever referenced. (i listen to mdw) ..
aside from teraterm, i have noticed a situation that may or may not be a problem, but it's surely a nuisance. when i nroff a file, the resultant file has 30 or more blank lines appended to the text. (no, they weren't in the original, smartie) this action has been consistant - is this a feature, bug, or user error?
I've noticed a problem with paging recently. I think what may be happening is that a clear screen sequence is being issued at the end of a file (or standard input) being displayed. What this results in is not being able to see the last screenful of responses in an item (and the summary of a conference as I enter the conference). While I recently had to reinstall my terminal software (TeraTerm SSH), I am fairly certain that the change in behavior happened significantly after that reinstallation (as in it worked for a few logins after reinstalling and then broke). Any suggestions on how to fix it?
Re #30: I don't use nroff much, but it sounds like the blank lines might be filler to bring the document to a fixed number of lines per page. That is, a feature.
Except that the filler causes me to see nothing of the last page except the prompt. That seems buggy to me.
I've found the problem. It's because I set a twit filter. Something in the options being passed to less caused it; changing "less -dE -P" to "more -d" fixed it.
Another possibility is to not use the -d switch with less. "man less" may help you tweak your pager. (I'm not willing to do without less. ;)
less has some really obnoxious default behaviors.. You can make it behave properly (i.e. like "more") but then what's the point? I rarely seem to use the less-dependant features..
nslookup is working again.
Re #33: My #32 was in response to #30, not #31.
Re #36: I kind of like the ability to scroll backwards.
I found it easier to switch back to the paging program that had been in use before setting the twit filter than to tweak settings.
I usually rely on my terminal program to scroll backwards; it gives
you even more control, as you can bind whatever keys you wish to the scrolling
and usually goes back further and even outside of a specific context.
Grex is sending me text (pine, bbs) in chunks of approximately 2.5 lines each with waits in between. Not the usual delay where you see a few letters appear, then a wait, then a few words. Modem problem? I dialed to 5041.
Is "lag" a System Problem?
Not necessarily. Traffic on any of the computers through which you connect from yours to Grex's can cause lag. Only if can be identified as originating on Grex can we do anything about it. Run !uptime and see if the load averages are really high. That would be an indicator.
There's more to lag than just the number of processes in the run queue;
if the system seems consistently slower than it usually is for you at the
same time of day, it might not be a bad idea to do a traceroute and see if
the tail end looks funny.
(Assuming you know how and can do a traceroute from your desktop to grex. The tools are available for both Mac and Windows.)
ugh-hum ... nroff also ? #30 of 46: by TS Taylor (tsty) on Wed, Mar 27, 2002 (16:32): aside from teraterm, i have noticed a situation that may or may not be a problem, but it's surely a nuisance. when i nroff a file, the resultant file has 30 or more blank lines appended to the text. (no, they weren't in the original, smartie) this action has been consistant - is this a feature, bug, or user error?
Traceroute is about the only good tool at a user level that I can
think of, but it's still hard to interpret; not explaining everything
provides a sort of filter.
resp:27 it's set to ANSI emulation. Is tterm23 freeware or shareware?
I believe that it's ttermp23 and that it's freeware.
Correct on both counts, Dave. (I use it in combination with ttssh, a freeware SSH add-on for it.)
I'll have to look them up, I guess.. could you maybe provide some good download site links (preferrably ones that explain features, comparative advantages, etc.)?
Someone has filled up /a again.
At 21 MB free it's still pretty full.
Is it possible to block mail from webboss@daum.net? I have received several unsolicited e-mails from that address, and the link that would allegedly unsubscribe appears to be broken. I also suspect that nearly every user on Grex also has received unsolicited e-mail from this source, as it has been addressed to Wall.Street.Stockwatch.valued.users@grex.cyberspace.org
Send such mail to "uce@cyberspace.org".
I have. Twice. Possibly more. My understanding is that the "uce" account is checked irregularly, which would not address the present situation.
Marcus, the total accumulation of spam I have received in the last couplefew weeks has been forwarded to uce@cyberspace.org, with full headers. This amount has drastically increased over that of the last several years, and I would very much appreciate it if you would make updating the Grex spam filter a current priority. I know it takes a big chunk of time to go through the junk and do this, but it is a pet project of yours... I'm giving serious consideration to the idea of having baff/board aliased to my upstageleft address and changing my .forward to /dev/null ...
yea exaclty -- carson, set up a .forward file to send emails from that address to /dev/null
uhhhh, a normal .forward file opeates on ALL email. what incantations are necessary for .forward to discriminate shit from shinola?
You'd need to write a procmail script, I think.
What other is talking about is sending all "other@cyberspace.org" mail into /dev/null, not parsing it.
...uhhhh, maybe, but i thought not ... regardless, gull, what sort of procmal script would you suggest?
If they don't let up, try this trick (in .forward) utc@ftc.gov.REDIRECT
oh? !!
iw that a legit address?? or is this an incantation newly implemented? back to another situation when i nroff a file, the resultant file has 30 or more blank lines appended to the text. (no, they weren't in the original, smartie) this action has been consistant - is this a feature, bug, or user error?
I stated a hypothesis on that nroff behavior back in response #32, two responses after you asked the question the first time in #30.
tsty - about the procmail mail filtering, i found a good how-to on filtering emails based on a certain keyword in the to, from, or subject lines. http://camden-www.rutgers.edu/HELP/Documentation/Unix/S50-1317_email_filter ing .html skip down to the pine part.
Did someone upgrade Lynx just recently? It's not happy.
What is the symptom? It was working as usual for me a couple of hours ago, meaning it loads the same page 2-6 times before you can access it, and the Tab does not work.
Hm. I ran lynx just now, and it behaved fine for me. No multiple loading of pages; tab works.
Whereas for me (quick test) it works "normally" - multiple page displays & all.
Re #63: I don't use procmail, but I've run across various scripts on the web that would do things like query ORBZ-style blacklists.
SOmeone said the multiple page display is related to n curses - what is that? How would one fix it?
I get the multiple loading problem, which has been around for a couple of months now. Hmmm. My problems with Lynx seem to involve arrow keys, so maybe it's because I upgraded Kermit recently. So nobody did anything to Lynx on Grex?
Yeah, looks like it's my problem. Sorry to have bothered everyone.
My solution: my use of Liynx has been dramiticaly reduced.
bbs
Lynx uses a library called ncurses. Ncurses uses terminfo (or perhaps termcap) to describe a whole bunch of terminals. The variable TERM says which terminal you have. You in turn have stty settings (which may among other things include terminal width & height), as well as a terminal emulator (which probably does an imperfect job of emulating some terminal.) Problems with weird displays could be due to any of these components, or due to a bad interaction between them. For the terminal WxH case, you can say "!stty -a" to see what your current rows & columns settings are, and if you running an ANSI compatible terminal emulator, the Unix command "!resize" may be able to determine what your current window size is and do the appropriate stty calls. If you're using the terminal emulator that comes standard with Windows, you might have better luck with teraterm.
I am using VT320 with Kermit and it worked on previous lynxes without the page loading multiple times, or Tab not working. It works at MNet. MSKermit for DOS.
re #67 - remmers- i accepted your hypothesis at that moment but none of the wc counts is divisible (evenly) by 55->68. now what?
I read elcome to grex instead of Welcome to grex.
RE 81: sed 's/ *$//' < oldfile > newfile
I think TS is complaining about extra blank (or empty) lines at the end, not about blanks at the ends of lines.
This isn't the kind of system problem people usually complain about, so I didn't remember to complain until now - and it happened at least 2 or 3 days ago (but this past week, I'm pretty sure). Problem may be fixed now. Anyway, I was logged in to Grex & was called away. When I returned, an hour or two later (at a guess), the idle zapper had not reared its head at me. (I logged out anyway, then, as the problem that called me away was still calling.) But it seems pretty likely that the idle zapper was not working at that time.
Backtalk has been running exceedingly slowly for the past several days. I logged in via telnet to get to this item moer quickly, to report it, and ran an uptime. It probably explained part of what's going on: Ok: !uptime 6:31am up 76 days, 15:42, 31 users, load average: 7.64, 7.04, 7.45
The clock is running nearly a minute fast. Time to enable NTP, folks.
Oh no! Not nearly a whole minute!!!!! Okay, so every clock in my house is set to a differnt time. I still do pretty okay :)
if you're worried about accuracy, why not get clocks that receive radio signals from the National Master Clock? Its movement is based on the decay of atomic particles, I believe (plutonium?) and is super- accurate. C. Crane Company has some for sale. ;)
Because NTP uses those kinds of clocks. Right now, my desktop machine is -0.0002060 sec off from time-A.timefreq.bldrdoc.gov
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Oooo, a bug in a GPS transceiver! I'm sure *that* saved a lot of lives. I'm with Meg. I'm within ten minutes of the rest of the world, that's good enough for me.
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NTP is nice, but unreliable. I have several systems synched with it, and every so often they just start drifting for one reason or another. Re #91: I'm guessing you mean *receiever*, not transceiver, unless you've got connections the rest of us don't. ;)
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Okay. That makes more sense.
Hey, Karen Savelly has just flipped Harry Stien the bird and is playing the sweetest music hear in 1968 on WCSX, 94.7fm.
Who's Harry Stein?
I keep my computer clock hours off of time, because otherwise I will look at it in the morning and assume it's reasonably accurate. That is a good recipe for being late to work. There are a couple of clocks I rely on to help me keep time (it's only really important in the morning), but the accuracy is entirely relative.
http://www.junghansusa.com/
r.e. 89 No. Do not get one of those clocks. Graboids can track you by the signal they put out. (This is a reference to "Tremors 3")
resp:91 Smell the stenchy fart coming from my huge dumbass. That's right, take a big whiff. I may be a huge dumbass, but I can admit I'm wrong and learn, and you're a dolt bent on riling everyone up.
The network connection is down. From the party log, it looks like it went down at 15:15.
Login Name TTY Idle Login Time Location Work Phone i Walter Cramer *u2 Apr 17 19:49 jazz the Jazz-man uc 1 Apr 17 20:25 Van M. rules keesan Sindi Keesan p3 Apr 17 19:50 rcurl Rane Curl *s9 Apr 17 20:17 russ Russ Cage *u1 Apr 17 20:29 finger @arbornet.org finger: connect: Host is unreachable [arbornet.org] Looks like the internet connection is down. .
8:23am up 2 days, 17:49, 2 users, load average: 0.12, 0.09, 0.00
User tty login@ idle JCPU PCPU what
davel ttyrb 8:21am 1 w
tpryan ttysc 8:10am 3 5 1 more -d -q
finger @arbornet.org
[arbornet.org]
finger: connect: Host is unreachable
It looks like we're still off the net.
Could some knowledgeable staff person explain what's happening? Is it time to send emails from another address to stop the bouncing of my Grex emails?
Ah, well: "We're off the net". Trouble is that support for our DSL is only during business hours. I think Valerie was going to call when they open.
Grex is currently running verrrrrryyy slooooooowwww
Grex is back online, and has much mail to catch up on.
Several times in the past few days I've had Grex freeze up and then kick me off the telnet connection.
Re. #106: Along with cmcgee, I too would like "some knowledgeable staff person [to] explain [what happened]" given that I was probably the user at IP address front0.cpl.org last | more krj ttyr9 216.93.104.37 Wed Apr 17 15:37 - 15:52 (00:14) exit ttyq4 216.93.104.37 Wed Apr 17 15:28 - 15:28 (00:00) phenix ttyq4 216.93.104.37 Wed Apr 17 15:28 - 15:28 (00:00) exit ttyr5 216.93.104.37 Wed Apr 17 15:19 - 15:19 (00:00) robh ttyr5 216.93.104.37 Wed Apr 17 15:15 - 15:19 (00:03) exit ttyt5 front0.cpl.org Wed Apr 17 15:04 - 15:04 (00:00) tk51 ttyua 207.203.64.97 Wed Apr 17 15:04 - 15:13 (00:08) exit ttyt5 front0.cpl.org Wed Apr 17 15:04 - 15:04 (00:00) kolonya ttys3 212.253.180.176 Wed Apr 17 15:04 - 15:15 (00:11) sxp ttyre 151.204.224.98 Wed Apr 17 15:03 - 15:06 (00:02)
Aw, I know what happened now. It wasn't us, it was them. Our staff couldn't fix the problem because it wasn't our equipment that was causing the problem. Had to wait on the convenience of our DSL provider.
Is the DSL provider the reason that lynx is now fetching webpages at 96 bytes/sec and was also doing so last week? Mail is being sent okay.
i can't ssh in. only telnet...and i don't think it's a queue thing ..
Anyone else getting lots of spam from someone named Sasha? I've gotten over 40 copies of the same message in less than an hour, and they're still coming.
Incidentally, a point of irony: The subject line is "Block Bad Content".
i haven't .. but all the sashas i've ever known have been creepy.
The mail seems to have stopped.
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No Sashas recently but I have received porno mail from Ukraine.
re#119: I think that borders on paranoia. I would be very reluctant to make any changes on that basis.
Today I just got one Viagra and one Penis Enlargement spam. I am still waiting for a good explanation of how to use the Pine email filter to filter out emails with these words in them, if that is possible.
No good explanation is possible: filtering is not a feature of the version of Pine currently installed on grex.
Is it a feature of the latest Pine, or that at M-Net? How hard is it to upgrade Pine? (Can you do it for grex?). Three spams a day is getting to be a nuisance even with Spamcop to help.
*three*? I'd be glad to get so few each day. No, I can't upgade the Pine here; I've made no progress on procmail, either. It looks like filtering was added by version 4.33, but I don't know when.
but of you use procmail .. you CAN
Grex uses a non-standard hierarchical system for the location of
inboxes, and the version of procmail installed here isn't smart
enough to figure it out. But you can get procmail to work by
setting the MAIL variable explicitly in the .procmailrc file:
for example
MAIL=/var/spool/mail/g/e/gelinas
Remmers or oval, can you post a quick explanation of how to use procmail at grex? I thought it was something I had to download. Do I have a .procmailrc file? I would like to filter out anything coming from *stayhard@hotmail.com as I got cstayhard and astayhard in the past 24 hours (with predictable subject line). Is that possible?
It's even simple once you know how to use procmail.
Is there a down side to using procmail?
Can procmail filter out any address that has stayhard@hotmail.com? Such as astayhard, cstayhard, and today stayhdard? s?t?a?y?h?a?r?d? The down side would be that you could not report this spam to hotmail.com as you would never see it.
you need to make these 2 files named .procmailrc and .forward in your home
directory.
the .procmailrc file could look like this:
MAILDIR=$HOME/mail
DEFAULT=$HOME/mail
SHELL=/bin/sh
LINEBUF=4096
LOGFILE=$HOME/.procmail/procmail.log (mkdir .procmail, touch
.procmail/procmail.log - CLEAN IT ONCE A MONTH)
LOG="--- Logging ${LOGFILE} 4 ${LOGNAME}, " (WILL GIVE add info procmail.log
file)
VERBOSE=off
PATH=(could someone fill this in?)
FORMAIL=/usr/local/bin/formail
SENDMAIL=/usr/lib/sendmail
* ^From.*stayhard@hotmail.com
/dev/null
look at the LOGFILE line. you will need to create the .procmail directory,
then touch the procmail.log file, the 2 commands are listed in parenthesis.
do not include them in you .procmailrc file. don't include any comments in
parenthesis. this will filter anything that says 'stayhard@hotmail.com' to
a blackhole of nothingness. you make one for the subject line too, and can
specify a 'spam' folder or something if you prefer that over /dev/null.
the .forward file i *think* will look like this:
"|IFS =' ';exec /usr/local/bin/procmail #[login name]" (include the quotes;
[login name] is your login name)
could someone fill in the PATH line above? i will test this out later. you
could also do a 'man procmail'.
welcome to the world of linux sindi! :) heh
I will try to extract this response and make it into a file, thanks. What do you mean by 'touch'? To also exclude stayhdard do I put *stay*h*a*r*d? The latest was trying to sell something 'legal'. So this will send spam to a folder that I clean out once in a while? What is dev/nul?
The latest version of procmail *does* understand grex's heirarchical mail spool, and I've volunteered to build it, I just haven't yet. A few other projects are beginning to come together, so I should be able to get back to procmail RSN.
So I should wait until the latest version is at grex? Thanks for volunteering - wish you could also upgrade PINE to filter mail as it sounds simpler. MSN writes back that astayhard@msn.com is a forged address and they will prosecute.
sindi, you could put just *stayhard if you want. touch will just make the procmail.log file. try it. mkdir .procmail touch .procmail/procmail.log it's not even neccessary if you don't want a log.. /dev/null is the blackhole of nothingness.
So touch sends all the spam to one place where I can look at it? I cannot just do *stayhard. Today I got satayhard@yahoo.com and also stayhahrd@excite.com. Some are for Viagra, some for legal stuff, and they are being routed through Poland and Korea. This is getting to be a sport, maybe I don't want to filter them. Except I do get some normal mail which I would like to read without being swamped by three spams for each real mail (the recent ratio is gettin worse). I think I still need PATH. Perhaps someone could post, in some readily accessible file at grex, templates for creating the two needed files, that everyone could use. Or even a little program that steers the user through the needed changes (make it part of the Change program, like password?). Thanks for all the help and I hope I can take advantage of it soon.
Hm, incorporating procmail setup into "change" is a nice idea!
Re #137: 'touch' is a program that creates zero-length files, or changes the modification time of an existing file. That's all it does. In this case, it's being used to create a logfile for procmail to append to, if I understand correctly.
Remmers, do I hear you volunteering?
Things are really slow, at the moment. Especially logins via ssh. Load average is around 30, which is high, but I've seen it that high without this kind of slowdown before.
Also...and maybe this is a feature I just never noticed before...when I telnetted in from my FreeBSD machine, Grex didn't ask for my username, just my password. (It skipped straight to "gull's Password:") My username is also 'gull' on that machine -- is telnet passing it through, somehow?
Hm. That's standard behavior with ssh, but I've never encountered it with telnet.
Some versions of telnet can do that. Most modern versions have a "-a" flag that turns it on, or "set autologin" in .telnetrc can also turn it on. I've also found versions where it defaults on - in theory it should be possible to turn that *off*...
I've only seen it with kerberised telnet.
I found it in debian telnet the other day. Luckily I had a k5 telnet client that didn't have this annoying behavior.
Was the spam from "satayhard" tips on how to cook Malaysian style?
re #115- I chastised my cat about sending spam and Sasha has promised not to send you, or anyone else, any more mail. Though, she's not sure what all the fascination is about the whole internet thing, she just likes the mice. ;) re #117- Well, you should come meet my cat... she's a bit too fluffy to be successfully creepy.
good idea remmers. i think you're not understanding me. i have yet to test what i posted, but once i finally get around to it, i will email you the two text files. that's all they are. 2 text file i will omit the logfile to simplify things.
Re #148: Thanks. ;)
jesus. i sound like sarkhel in 149. i am so sorry.
re#150- no problem. :)
I'm using freebsd also. I turn off the autologin with the -K option.
I think the satayhard spam came via Poland or Korea, not Indonesia. The Koreans bounced my mail informing them of the open relay. I have heard they don't care.
(little random typos in spam is usually on purpose, to get around spam filtering. You're filtering "stayhard", but "satayhard" gets past the filter)
"Satayhard"? Erotic Indian cuisine?
Satay's not Indian.
Thai. I'm half-awake this morning. (Somebody else already made a similar joke anyway)
Thai, Indonesian, Malay... the concept got around.
I can't connect via Backtalk. I had to telnet in.
The terminal server was hanging up on me earlier, but now it seems OK.
Still can't connect via Backtalk.
ditto. httpd dead?
It's working now.
Bug or feature? I have been unable to suspend emacs via the "C-z" routine when emacs is accessed from the menu as "!emacs". Attempts to use the "C-z" routine result in nonresponse to the "fg" or "%emacs" routines and have required exercising the terminal hangup option. Is there a means of suspending emacs when emacs is accessed from the menu as "!emacs"?
Help! I was trying to clean out my ~tpryan/mbox and when
I exited, I was left with a lot less then I intended. I have a
lot, including Job Search infor in there. Is there a way for
it to be restored from the last save?
Why did this happen?
I keep on getting punished for trying to clean it out.
Previous times, I would spend time and before being able to
save it, I get booted from the system.
nslookup has stopped working again.
Works for me.
A few minutes ago I was terminated after hitting Enter after reading an item, and getting an error message including the number 12, out of memory and the word forking. Was this a fork bomb?
No, it was not a fork bomb. The error was: Error 12 out of memory trying to fork. Forking is a program trying to spawn another process as a normal function of the program. When several such things happen at once you can have a momentary halt because there isn't enough ram to handle all of them.
So what program was doing this?
Yours.
Why did it do that yesterday when I pressed the enter key but this hads never happened before or since - was something else using up the memory?
Everyone else that was logged on and all the accounting/auditing programs. I got the same message around the same time as you did. I went upstairs to wake STeve up and by the time I came back downstairs everything was ok, so I told him to go back to sleep.
Actually, it could have been a fork bomb or something similar. Something was running Grex out of resources so that it couldn't do ordinary forks. Grex's defenses against fork bombs will generally terminate them pretty quickly, but there may be a brief period in which you'll see problems like this before the system sets itself right again. Grex has two layers of fork bomb defenses - the kernel blocks will kill the more aggressive fork bombs pretty quickly - probably within ten seconds. Robocop responds more slowly, possibly taking as long as 8 minutes, but kills more categories of annoying programs, including memory bombs.
Do we know why the network goes away every now and again? traceroutes tend to end at rback0.flnt.mi.voyager.net.
Any news on when I can get my ~tpryan/mbox restored to the last back-up, 1/27/2002?
Grex has been yo-yoing on and off the net. You can sort of see the interrupts if you look at the party log.
grex isn't updated enough.
Grex doesn't have money enough. It's a non-profit organization and is essentially run by volunteers. That isn't really conducive to bleeding-edge technology.
This may have been reported already, but if you do a finger, you'll see four sessions reporting idle time in days.
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I built my own control window which provides some additional functionality and ease-of-use to backtalk. I know it's easier to complain, but if you really try, you might be able to figure out something similar.
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whereis nano
What is "nano"?
Nanoo Nanoo!
GNU clone of pico. http://www.nano-editor.org/
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Strange...chfn worked fine for me. Respond, pass, forget, quit, or ? for more options? !chfn Use <return> to keep, or "none" to delete. Name [Kevin Nicholls]? Location [none]? Work Phone [none]? Home Phone [none]? Finger information unchanged.
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The implementation of ssh here has some problem passing on vars.
Or, maybe, it doesn't like you.
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We *still* have a modem with defective flow control, which disconnects when an application (like sz) dumps more data than its buffer can handle instead of dealing with it more gracefully.
I fixed it at my end by dialing 761-5041, which always works for me when doing fast downloads. 761-3000 almost never works unless grex is really clogged. I hope some day someone can get around to removing the first modem in the queue. I also wonder if there is any progress on the 28.8K modems. I had to use grex to download a pdf file (a large one) just now after not being able to connect to my ISP with lynx for DOS all day (other browers work but the one I use tends to dump pdf files which are large, after trying to read them).
i've had a problem with pine. when i run it, the text is cut off on the side and wraps over to the other side, and when i go into my inbox it's all warped in tehre too. i've tried resetting up my terminal, but it doesn't fix it. any ideas?
Sometimes Control-L fixes problems with odd looking screens, or you might try exiting and redialing (or retelnetting).
nah it happens everytime .. only the pine in grex, not my pine, or my other shell's pine.
actually it's my terminal setting or something which i can't seems to fix. ls -a looks like someone vomitted a bunch of words in my terminal. my other account here does not have the same problem. i'll check out my .rc files.. :(
Check out your terminal settings, first:
printenv TERM
and
printenv TERMCAP
I usually use vt100, but I found that my xterminal passed its termtype to grex
and just messed up everything.
well it's fixed. everytime i ran 'change', it wouldn't fix it, and had my cols set to 195, while the other account is set to 95. 'stty cols 95' seems to have fixed it. my terminal is vt102, but used to be vt100, perhaps the switch did screw it up ..
/a is full.
/usr is at 99%
I just discovered that ssh does not work very well with grex's password-aging system: the report is merely "permission denied". Switching to telnet revealed that the password had expired and needed to be changed. 'twould be really nice if ssh would let folks in and then something else would prompt for a new password. Or, if nothing else, ssh could say, "Try telnet".
I'm wondering how automated the agora rollover is.
U.S. Naval Observatory estimate for start of summer
today is 9:24. Let's see how timely we are.
Unless Walter's written something, it's not automated at all.
Right, I believe Walter does the change manually.
The critical /bbs/conflist file lives under an old version control system; i'd have very little interest in trying to write all the boring check-for- and-handle-all-possible-errors code in any case. Peeking in /bbs/agora42 suggests that our fair fw entered the first item of the new agora about 8:30 last evening (Ann Arbor time). I'll actually do the roll when the fates have the right person ready to get the very first response of summer in.
Go ahead, Walter, I'm ready.
(hmm. it was about six months ago that the race to become the first to respond to a new Agora led to an irrational feud that has yet to cease.)
I didn't think Walter had written something to automate it. I wouldn't.
When I mentioned auto-agora-roll on M-Net they
laughed at me. Laughed I tell you.
My only consolation will be to dig back
to six months ago.
You have several choices: