Grex Femme Conference

Item 85: Nice things about being female

Entered by md on Sun Dec 14 13:07:30 1997:

48 new of 100 responses total.


#53 of 100 by garima on Sun Feb 1 00:59:56 1998:

That's it . :)
Thank you.
And also the part about you belong here...


#54 of 100 by aruba on Sun Feb 1 22:12:28 1998:

"You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you
have a right to be here."


#55 of 100 by clees on Mon Feb 2 15:29:55 1998:

Nobody's going to denie that.


#56 of 100 by mta on Wed Feb 4 22:35:24 1998:

I wish that were true, Clees.  There are a few people who deny other people's
right to exist.


#57 of 100 by birdlady on Thu Feb 5 00:25:12 1998:

How perfect!  We reviewed a poem by Stephen Crane in Lit class today.  <ahem>

A man said to the universe:
"Sir, I exist!"
"However," replied the universe,
"The fact has not created in me
 A sense of obligation."


#58 of 100 by remmers on Thu Feb 5 12:22:28 1998:

(So the universe is a guy, eh? Never knew that...)


#59 of 100 by keesan on Thu Feb 5 23:11:10 1998:

From an interesting book called The Secret Family by David Bodanis:
Women have more visual receptors for peripheral vision and can see better in
low light.  And can hear high-frequency sounds better, and detect more dilute
tastes.  Women have better control of tongue muscles and can finish chewing
in fewer bites.


#60 of 100 by valerie on Fri Feb 6 05:03:38 1998:

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#61 of 100 by clees on Fri Feb 6 12:01:13 1998:

the pitch frequency of a tv (or a terminal?) is 17500 Hz, which is very high.
It0s estimated that most teenagers at the age of 17 can hear this tone.
As the years go by, the ability to hear it drops considerably.
Nowadays I have to concentrate to hear that tone, but when a terminal is
wearing off there seems to a shift in the frequency or the volume, but old
tv's and old terminals every now and then give me a headache because of that
pitch.


#62 of 100 by keesan on Fri Feb 6 22:14:37 1998:

Do men salt their food more?  Or just older people?


#63 of 100 by orinoco on Sat Feb 7 04:56:15 1998:

Well, I can sometimes hear the whistle from monitors, if it's especially loud
or I'm listening for it.

(I'd suggest that more grexers can hear it becuase we tend to be people who
spend a lot of time with computers, and so we've noticed it at some point and
can now recognize it)


#64 of 100 by scg on Sat Feb 7 06:23:05 1998:

I wonder how much it has to do with whether Grexers listen to less in the way
of loud noises that lead to high frequency hearing loss than the average
person or average male does.


#65 of 100 by garima on Sat Feb 7 07:15:48 1998:

No, no, no, no. Women , all women , hear the high-pitched sounds more
because (apparently it's an evolutionary thing) that way they can pick
up the sound of a baby crying easier. It een wakes them up faster when
they are sleeping. At least, that's what I read somewhere.


#66 of 100 by scott on Sat Feb 7 13:22:06 1998:

I used to be a rock&roll sound tech, but I can hear monitor whine easily. 
I especially hate the high-freq. whine from certain fast hard disks.


#67 of 100 by valerie on Sat Feb 7 13:33:06 1998:

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#68 of 100 by scg on Sat Feb 7 18:56:46 1998:

There are a bunch of different sorts of high pitched sounds that come from
monitors.  The more common one happens when the monitor is on but not getting
a video signal.  I also had a monitor at some point in the past that made
annoying high pitched noise for a while even with a video signal, before dying
completely.  In that case it had a dead flyback transformer, whatever that
is, which had been making the noise  while it was damaged but hadn't died yet.
I don't know if the noise monitors used to make when they didn't have a video
signal also indicated that something was broken or not.  The obvious test
would be to see whether fairly new monitors make that noise when they don't
have a video signal, except that fairly new monitors tend to turn themselves
off when they don't have a video signal.


#69 of 100 by keesan on Sun Feb 8 03:47:40 1998:

Females live longer, on average.  Two reasons, the first being that they are
less likely to self-destruct as teenagers and young adults.  Second, smaller
people live longer on average.  According to a book I read, the difference
in average life expectancy for age 30 M or F is due solely to differences in
average size.  My 5'4" grandfather lived to be about 95, but then again, my
5'5" father died at 61.  Supposedly in shorter people the heart does not wear
out as fast since the blood does not get pumped as far.  So women who don't
want to be widows should marry someone shorter than themselves, or younger,
or both.  I don't know if average blood pressure is higher in taller people.
Mine is 107/68 (I think, omni's mother measured it to test her equipment),
but so is my roommates, and we are 6" apart in height.  Are there couples
whose blood pressures are proportional to their heights?  Maybe the difference
would be greater in cases of high cholesterol (my roommates is 125), where
there is more resistance in the arteries?


#70 of 100 by orinoco on Sun Feb 8 04:15:33 1998:

Well, never having been female, I wouldn't know how it sounds to hear monitor
whine through a woman's ears.  I can _hear_ it all the time, but usually just
as a faint high hiss, not really a whine.  
Then again, I'm also young, and such things decline with age.  Who knows.


#71 of 100 by aruba on Sun Feb 8 08:22:02 1998:

I used to always hear a high-pitched whine when I was standing between sets of
double doors at large department stores.  I haven't noticed it lately, though.
Maybe my ears are getting worse.


#72 of 100 by scott on Sun Feb 8 13:24:54 1998:

("the heart wears out"???  Well, maybe your grand worked on a farm and kept
his heart exercized, while youir father had a desk job and didn't?  Not to
be a total skeptic, but I've never heard that the heart muscles just wear out)


#73 of 100 by valerie on Sun Feb 8 15:14:38 1998:

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#74 of 100 by keesan on Sun Feb 8 16:26:18 1998:

My grandfather worked as a baker until about age 90 (with a brief vacation
from age 65 to 72, until he could work again without losing social security).
My father smoked.  Smoking used to be another reason why men died sooner. 
Smoking constricts the arteries and makes the heart work harder.  Cholesterol
deposits constrict the arteries by filling them up, smoking by causing the
little muscles around them to constrict, raising blood pressure.  Did you know
that nicotine was evolved by plants as a defense against insect predation.
It causes the insect's nervous system to go into convulsions.  Caffeine is
also an insect poison acting on the nervous system.  In the case of plants
which produce estrogen analogs, these hormones interfere with insect
development.  Plants are 'clever', perhaps more so than people who
intentionally poison themselves with the plant products.  When heart cells
die (as from lack of enough oxygen) they do not normally get replaced by other
cells, same as nerve cells, which have to last a lifetime.  (Brain tumors are
not normally in the nerve cells).  This prevents the development of nerve and
muscle tumors.  Another reason to take very good care of the arteries.


#75 of 100 by scg on Sun Feb 8 19:33:57 1998:

I'm assuming there's more to it than just the heart wearing out sooner the
more it does.  Or is it just the regular excersize, which makes the heart work
harder some of the time, does enough to ease the workload on the heart at
other times?


#76 of 100 by keesan on Sun Feb 8 20:21:53 1998:

Or could it be that regular exercise increases the ability of the lungs to
provide enough oxygen to the heart at all times?
Anyone in our midst with a medical background?


#77 of 100 by mary on Sun Feb 8 23:34:07 1998:

There is some guy out there right now selling a book that
reports every heart is programmed, from birth, for just so many
beats.  So if you use them all up carrying around 100 extra
pounds, hey, your choice. ;-)

Experts tend to see obesity and heart disease from different
perspectives.  Obese people have a higher rate of heart 
disease and death from sudden heart attack than the general
population, but why is disputed.  Some say it is the extra
work expected of the heart to perfuse all that extra tissue.
Others say it is mostly due to the inactive lifestyle of
most obese people.  Some say it is the same genetics that
make you prone to obesity that bundles with it cardiomyopathy
and high cholesterol levels.  About the only thing everyone
agrees with is that you have better odds of living longer
if you're not morbidly obese.


#78 of 100 by keesan on Mon Feb 9 01:47:04 1998:

I read that obese people who get lots of exercise are healthier than skinny
people who get little exercise.  The categories of obesity and laziness may
show a statistical overlap, but individuals behave differently than the
statistical picture might predict.


#79 of 100 by orinoco on Mon Feb 9 04:04:15 1998:

The problem, really, is that there's some correlation between exercise and
skinniness, so the two are hard to separate as to their benefits.


#80 of 100 by i on Tue Feb 10 01:43:26 1998:

So compare sumo wrestlers and skinny couch potatoes.


#81 of 100 by keesan on Thu Feb 12 00:27:17 1998:

Color vision is sex-linked.  The gene for seeing red is on the X chromosome,
so men have only one copy.  If it is bad, they can't see any difference
between red and green.  But even more interesting, there are two slightly
different variants of the gene for red vision, so that some women have red
receptors for two slightly different wavelengths.  That lets some women see
more colors than men or other women.  I have heard that women tend to
distinguish between a lot more colors than men, and to use much more explicit
color names, and care more about the colors they wear.  One theory is that
it was more important for women to be able to spot colored fruit, while the
men were out hunting for brown or grey animals.  Fruit is often red, because
that is the color best seen by birds.  (If you don't want the birds to eat
your cherries, grow yellow ones.)
Insects, on the other hand, see yellow, violet, or ultraviolet, and can see
patterns in white flowers that humans cannot.  There is often a pattern
directing them to the center.  


#82 of 100 by aruba on Thu Feb 12 16:37:13 1998:

Interesting.  My Mom certainly can distinguish (and remember) colors a lot
better than I can.

If you're out in the woods and looking for some berries to eat, picking red
ones is usually a bad choice.  They are often poisonous.  (At least in North
America.)


#83 of 100 by keesan on Thu Feb 12 19:30:25 1998:

But picking green ones (except for gooseberries) means they are unripe.  For
some reason, birds can tolerate berries that people cannot.  These berries
all exist to be eaten by something and therefore distribute the seeds.
        Regarding the X and Y chromosomes, there are other sex-linked diseases,
such as hemophilia, due to one bad copy of the X chromosome (women have two
X's so are less likely not to have at least one good one). 
Glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase (G6PD) is an X-linked gene, and if you have
no good copies of it you can develop anemia due to enzyme deficiency after
eating fava beans, or coming in contact with mothballs or sulfa antibiotics.
The colorblind problem can be due to the loss of either the red or the green
gene, and in W. Europea about 5 percent of males cannot see green properly
and 1 percent cannot see red.  There is a possible Y-linked trait, passed from
father to son, called hairy pinna (hair all over the ear, but not enough to
make you look like a werewolf.)  The advantage of having a Y chromosome, even
though it is lacking a lot of useful genes, is that it makes the sperm
fractionally lighter so that it can win more races.  Therefore more males are
conceived, to make up for more dying before birth or shortly after.  At birth
there are about 6% more males.  A selfish gene?


#84 of 100 by iggy on Sat Feb 14 00:30:24 1998:

sometimes i have a bit of difficulty with the color yellow.
i dont see it as well as i do other colors.
light yellow will sometimes be .. more beige-y or creamy looking.
some shades or orange look pink to me. and some shades
of blue-green look blue to me.

gooseberries do indeed turn a dark color. they are
a lot sweeter then, and make great projectiles as they explode on
contact. best target is a sibling wearing a light colored shirt!


#85 of 100 by keesan on Sat Feb 14 01:13:21 1998:

I have never heard about anyone seeing less yellow, how interesting.  Are
there any particular circumstances, such as different kinds of artificial
light, under which you see yellow more poorly.  Maybe you have just a small
amount of the color receptor for yellow because you only have one functional
gene for it?  I wonder if there are any men who don't see yellow at all.


#86 of 100 by keesan on Sat Feb 14 03:54:36 1998:

I did some internet research on colorblind (a lot of it is on affirmative
action).  There are three color receptors:  red, yellow-green, and blue.  It
sounds like you either have no green receptor or it does not detect some
wavelengths as well as others.  This would be called green-deficit.  The red
and green receptors have very similar genes on the X chromosome near each
other, and one developed from a faulty mutation of the other.  Monkeys do not
have both, apes including humans do.  My guess is that green reception
developed latest.  I wonder if ethnic groups that have fewer color names have
more colorblind people?  (In English there was originally no distinction
between red and orange, thus redheads with orange hair.  Oranges were named
after the fruit, which was named after a town in Spain.  Similarly, I think
some languages do not distinguish blue and green, maybe you would fit in well
there.  They are hardly necessary for finding berries, or for hunting deer).
See two internet files at /a/k/e/keesan/colorblind and 
/a/d/e/keesan/ColorBlindness.  The second discusses problems of colorblind
people in using color computers.  Colorblind people see better at night, but
may need to wear sunglasses during the daytime to prevent too much light going
to the rods (used for night vision, but maybe they kick in when too little
light is absorved by the color vision cones).  Fascinating subject!  How is
your night vision and do you wear sunglasses often?


#87 of 100 by scott on Sat Feb 14 13:47:52 1998:

I guess that I have pretty good color vision.  Once, though, I got tested for
colorblindness because I was having trouble connecting names to colors
accurately.  I have a poor connection between language and sense sections of
my brain...


#88 of 100 by keesan on Sat Feb 14 15:45:27 1998:

How interesting!  I would like to know more about the connection.  Is it just
for visual vocabulary?  Can you name tastes or odors or temperatures?  I have
heard that there are people who can name verbs but not nouns.  Do you know
if your 'condition' is at all common, and if so, more common among XYs?


#89 of 100 by scott on Sun Feb 15 13:35:32 1998:

No, it's not really a common pattern among any one type of person (although
you could argue that it creates certain types...).  I have a very good grasp
of language, and a great set of ears (hearing plus mental processing), but
often the connection is poor.  I might remember a conversation I have with
somebody, but not their name, or even temporarily forget the name of somebody
I already know.  I can pick up sounds in a language, and also understand the
ltructure, but as for connecting the two... :(


#90 of 100 by iggy on Sun Feb 15 18:32:19 1998:

as for me, i have the XX chromosone. :-)
my night vision isnt too good. i think it just takes too long
for my eyes to adjust <or re-adjust> to the dark.
bright light, especially in winter hurts my eyes. i am not fond
of sunglasses, i'd rather squint.
a weird quirk is that really bright light, as reflecting off
snow and wet roads makes me sleepy.
i am also the only one in my birth family that does not
need glasses, this means siblings, parents, and grandparents, and many
of my parent's siblings.


er.. make that 'chromosome' up there...


by the way, does anyone else get sleepy from bright winter light?


#91 of 100 by keesan on Sun Feb 15 19:34:10 1998:

re 89, there are people with no connection between their brain hemispheres
who can see or feel an object, describe what to do with it, draw it, etc.,
but not name it if the sensory input is going into the left hand or eye, which
feeds it to the right brain hemisphere, because the left hemisphere (at leasst
in most people, maybe not dyslexics) is responsible for language.  Usually
htere is crossover.  Maybe you have weaker crossover?
        Re 90, sounds like you are lacking some or all of the cones, or sensory
cells, for yellow-green, meaning you are one of those rare colorblind XXs!
There are supposed to be only 0.4% of women and about 8% of men who are
colorblind in any way.  Do you have male relatives who can't see yellow, or
tell aqua from blue?  In particular your father or a brother?  My theory is
that the light which is usually absorved by the cones for green, is not
absorbed and there is therefore too much of it for the other color cones. 
No I have not heard of light making anyone sleepy.  I have heard of Seasonal
Affective Disorder, where the lack of light in the winter makes some people
sleepy because they need light to stimulate hormone production.  I have not
read up on night vision, maybe you need to eat more carrots?  Or maybe you
also have a deficit of rods (that see in low light but only in grey).  Once
you get accustomed to the dark, do you know if you can see better in it that
other people?  It would be an interesting test.


#92 of 100 by scg on Sun Feb 15 23:33:12 1998:

I find myself feeling kind of depressed when I'm not around bright lights for
long periods of time, so from what I've read about Seasonal Affective Disorder
it sounds like I may have it.  As long as I spend time in places with bright
lights I'm fine, so it isn't a big problem if I can control the environment
I'm in.  I have found that at my grandpa's house, where he's got big windows
and extremely dim lights, that I'm fine as long as the sun is out, but start
feeling like I don't have any energy at all the moment the sun goes down. 
For some reason, I do a lot better with no light than I do with dim lights.

Having too much light while driving can make it hard to stay awake, perhaps
because dealing with the glare gets tiring.  When I'm driving on a sunny day
I wear sunglasses, and have a much easier time staying alert than without
them.


#93 of 100 by keesan on Mon Feb 16 04:47:24 1998:

A housemate of mine who I am sure had SAD was always complaining that there
was not enough light at work, and even got a note from the doctor that told
his employers they had to given him a desk near a window.  He thought it had
something to do with his extreme shortsightedness, that he needed to rest his
eyes on distant objects frequently.  His symptoms were wanting to die and
refusing to get out of bed from about November until the sun started shining
againg in Jan or Feb, then hardly sleeping at all until about June.  ANother
symptom was needing the shades up and two hours of sunlight to wake up.  He
tried medication, and finally moved to sunny California.  Supposedly light
treatments with a very bright specially constructed light, for about half hour
in the morning, will fix the light-related hormone problem.  Theere was a good
book in the library that I got out for the roommate, who always felt better
when he could manage to drag himself out to the sunporch to read about the
problem (the light helped).
        I have found that as I get older the glare at night bothers me.


#94 of 100 by iggy on Mon Feb 16 15:12:59 1998:

it isnt that i cant see any yellow, just a few shades of yellow i
have trouble.as far as being able to see better at night once i
have adjusted...hmm. i dont know.


#95 of 100 by keesan on Mon Feb 16 19:46:41 1998:

That article on colorblindness that I mentioned said some people cannot see
certain wavelengths (shades) of some colors.  Have you ever tried looking at
all the computer-available colors to see which ones matched?


#96 of 100 by mta on Mon Feb 16 21:30:11 1998:

re: resp:73

Actually current research calls into question the idea that obesity, in and
of itself, causes a strain on the heart.  What does cause a strain on the
heart is a poor diet, low level of fitness, and high levels of stress.

All are common among the obese, but hardly limited to them.  A fit, happy
fat person with a good diet will generally outlive a thin, stressed out
couch potato with a junk food habit.

The biggest culprits are stress and poor diet.  As a matter of fact obese
people have about the same rate of heart disease as poor blacks, fat and thin.
Some research suggests that the two factors that may have the largest
influence on the longevity of fat people are dieting (malnutrition) and
discrimination, which cuts them off from the social support network that all
humans need to remain in top health.


#97 of 100 by keesan on Tue Feb 17 00:01:55 1998:

If someone eats a well-balanced diet, and is not a couch potato, I expect they
will end up at the proper weight for them, which is not necessarily the same
for all of us.  Exceptions would be people with metabolic disorders.
        Re colorblindness, please see coop item #34, proposing a new genetics
conference.  We could talk about genetics and diet, for instance some people
need more of a certain vitamin, or come from an ancestry where periodic
famines were more common, and it was therefore highly advantageous to be able
to store fat.
        Dieting in itself is extremely stressful, making the body think there
is a famine.  If you want to modify your weight, modify the type of food you
eat, and the balance of different nutrients, not just the calorie or fat
count.  You will end up a lot healthier at any weight.  (This has gotten
pretty far afield from the topic, sorry).


#98 of 100 by scott on Tue Feb 17 00:14:03 1998:

Well, obese people will get a certain amount of exercise simply because of
their weight.  Like if I was to start carrying around a backpack with 50 or
100 pounds.  I'd certainly add some muscle to my legs!  The downside is that
it would probably wreck my knees.


#99 of 100 by mta on Tue Mar 24 01:25:56 1998:

It might -- or it might not.  It depends on your genetics and your long term
diet.  If you have the genes for thick strong legs and have had a good diet,
rich in minerals, for most of your life, your knees will be fine.  If you have
had a poor diet for some significant part of your life and genes that make
for long, fine bones, you may very well be right.

Of course exercise plays a part, too.  If one day you just pick up that 100
lb. rucksack (or gain weight suddenly) and you have built up the muscles in
your legs, they won't support the bone adequately and again, you'd have knee
problems.


#100 of 100 by scott on Tue Mar 24 02:39:22 1998:

Right.  The answer is that I've inhereted not-so-great knees, so I know what
would happen.  :(


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