Grex Dwellings Conference

Item 47: The Ball Residence

Entered by ball on Mon Oct 1 18:19:33 2007:

30 new of 86 responses total.


#57 of 86 by keesan on Sun Aug 24 20:17:27 2008:

You can look up weather records online, and you can probably install a kitchen
window cheaper than you can install and use air conditioning.  I put a
hotplate outside and cook there when it is hotter out than in.  Do you have
a porch or other covered outdoor area?

If you put a furnace in the attic, can you build a small insulated space
around it?


#58 of 86 by ball on Mon Aug 25 05:03:08 2008:

The only small section of exterior wall that the kitchen has, already
has a window in it.  Sadly the Mulberry tree eliminates most of the
light that could come in through that.  In a few years, when we get the
roof re-done, I should probably install a skylight.  The kitchen may be
the darkest room in the house.  I'm pretty sure the kitchen window
doesn't open.  When I asked the HVAC people about insulation for the
furnace they said there was adequate insulation built into its cabinet.


#59 of 86 by keesan on Mon Aug 25 05:32:23 2008:

You can replace that window with one that does open (awning window or casement
window for maximum ventilation).  I can't imagine any amount of insulation
built into a furnace is adequate, considering how hot it gets and how cold
the attic gets.  Does it have foot thick walls?

If you insulated well, electric heat could be cheaper than a furnace.


#60 of 86 by rcurl on Mon Aug 25 17:27:59 2008:

If you insulated well, the furnace will be much cheaper than electric.


#61 of 86 by keesan on Mon Aug 25 18:40:40 2008:

We insulated well and it will cost about $100/year for electric heat.  It
costs $8/month to read the gas meter, and I think the price of gas is going
up faster than that of electricity.  A house heated only by electricity, with
a separate meter, gets a low time of day rate (lower at all times, down to
about 2.5 cents/kwh during off-peak hours).  There is no heat loss to basement
or attic - it all does into living spaces.  There is no pollution generated
in or near the house.  

The temperature goes up at least 5 degrees if we turn on the fluorescent
lights (about 400 watts total).

An electrically heated house lets you heat different spaces to different
temperatures, and does not need to have air blowing around cooling you off
and stirring up dust.  (Nor does hot-water heat in radiators or the floor).


#62 of 86 by slynne on Mon Aug 25 23:31:06 2008:

FWIW, I have found that the cheapest way to heat my house is to use a
furnace to heat it to around 55 degrees and to use electric space
heaters in the area where I spend the most time. 


#63 of 86 by keesan on Tue Aug 26 00:53:51 2008:

We heat the rooms where we spend time, when we are in them and awake, to about
55 degrees, and the rest above freezing.  But my $100 calculation was for
keeping the whole place 60 degrees.  Slynne, do you have any insulation? 
Insulated walls make you feel warmer at the same temperature, and reduce
drafts.  Jim has basement wall insulation but it is not yet on the walls. 
He bought it before I met him.

A ceiling fan helps a lot when it gets over 80 inside.


#64 of 86 by slynne on Tue Aug 26 01:16:05 2008:

I have some insulation but I am sure I could insulate the house better.
Except I know that I'll never get around to it. But maybe someday, I'll
hire someone to do it. I have very drafty windows though. I am going to
take extra time to winterize them this year though with that rope caulk
stuff and the plastic film that goes over them. I did just the plastic
film last year and the year before and it certainly did make a
difference. 


#65 of 86 by ball on Tue Aug 26 02:27:12 2008:

Reading these suggestions I started to think about getting an electric
heating quote, but then I realised that the a/c requires forced air so
the bulk of the project would still be required.  The a/c is not
optional because we wouldn't be able to sell the house without working
a/c and a furnace.


#66 of 86 by keesan on Tue Aug 26 03:22:59 2008:

Have you thought of selling it and moving to some place better designed?
Jim's brother in CA was refused a loan on his house unless he added a swimming
pool because you can't sell houses without swimming pools.


#67 of 86 by rcurl on Tue Aug 26 03:50:02 2008:

Most homes in CA do not have swimming pools. But I suppose in some 
exclusive housing developments that might occur, though I wonder if it is 
legal to refuse a loan on such a basis.


#68 of 86 by ball on Tue Aug 26 21:04:44 2008:

Re #66: There is no way we could afford to sell the house now.  It will
probably take us ten years to break even, let alone see any profit. 
Ideally I'd bulldoze it and start from scratch, but short of a lottery
win that's not going to happen either.


#69 of 86 by ball on Mon Mar 9 04:18:10 2009:

    I can't help wondering how much a prefabricated "green"
home would cost.  I'm sure it's more than I'll be able to
come up with, but it might be less expensive than trying to
fix this old place up.


#70 of 86 by ball on Sat Nov 5 23:15:21 2011:

Four years later...

Structural

   It took a few attempts and probably a couple of thousand
   dollars, but we had splints put on the main beam that
   supports the house.  We no longer have a huge gap between
   the floor and the bottom of the skirting board. The floor
   seems to move slightly when we walk across it though.

   The concrete slab at the back of the house was replaced.
   I like the idea of a sun porch / conservatory there but
   the position of a door and window would complicate that
   and I can't afford to build one anyway.

   The house has been disconnected from the well and
   connected to city water.  This involved having the drive-
   way replaced. The masonary around the well pit has failed
   so I'll have to get some quotes from builders to have
   that filled.  My pet theory is that we could drop a round
   concrete pipe vertically into the pit and then surround
   the outside with gravel and perhaps keep a sump pump at
   the bottom of the pit.

   We've done nothing with the roof.  The shingles are
   starting to peel at the edges a bit but we'll eek as much
   life from the existing roof as we can.


Electrical

   I've not done anything to upgrade the wiring in the
   house.  I know it needs doing because the outlets fail a
   ground test and the wiring in the attic has fabric
   insulation so may date back to when the house was built.
   I use GFCIs on a few things. Most of the lights are 10 or
   15W CFL except for a couple of ceiling fans and the
   bathroom mirror.


Plumbing

   The hot water heater is on its last legs: it makes loud
   popping and crackling noises and fumes leak into the
   garage where it lives.  This is creeping up the priority
   list.  Ideally I'd replace it with one that I could add
   solar hot water panels to at some point in the future but
   I'll have to see how much that adds to the cost.


Decorating

   We bought a rug for the front room and had fitted carpet
   installed in the family room.  We've painted the bathroom
   and my daughter's room.  The living room needs painting.


#71 of 86 by keesan on Sun Nov 6 13:20:46 2011:

What year was the house built?  Have you considered an instantaneous water
heater?  Where would you put the solar panels?  If you replace your roof,
consider a metal roof with seams that you can attach to.


#72 of 86 by ball on Mon Nov 7 01:58:48 2011:

    The house was built in 1951 I think.  I've considered a
tankless model. Some people claim they're more efficient but
if they rule out solar hot water that wouldn't be much of an
advantage.  The solar panels would sit on the roof of the
attached garage, close to the water heater.


#73 of 86 by keesan on Mon Nov 7 02:23:30 2011:

I think you can preheat the water with the solar water heater and then use
the instantaneous heater to heat it hotter.  Which probably requires a tank.
If you use a lot of hot water it might pay for itself.


#74 of 86 by ball on Sun Jul 12 15:39:52 2015:

    I have some wiring to do:  The indoor light fixture just
inside the front door hasn't worked for years.  Now the two
lights just outside the front door also don't work.  In the
attic I've seen wiring with fabric insulation, so I suspect
that dates back to when the house was built in 1951. I could
run a new wire to near the front door but it may make more
sense to run a wire down the middle of the attic with a few
junction boxes so that I can tap into it as I upgrade the
lighting in each room.


#75 of 86 by ball on Sun Dec 1 05:35:48 2019:

    Has it really been four years since those lights failed?
I should get an electrician in to give me a quote on a new
lighting circuit.


#76 of 86 by papa on Sun Dec 1 22:31:47 2019:

o/` Time keeps on slippin', slippin', slippin' into the future ... o/`


#77 of 86 by ball on Sat Oct 24 16:30:03 2020:

    Thinking about replacing the kitchen window and perhaps
a couple of screen doors.  How picky should I be about my
choice of wood for the framing (given that it will be
painted)?


#78 of 86 by tod on Tue Nov 24 02:56:11 2020:

Is wood required?


#79 of 86 by ball on Sun May 23 21:32:48 2021:

Re #78: Probably, yes.


#80 of 86 by papa on Sun May 23 22:31:45 2021:

resp:77 I think you've decided "very picky" if it has taken six months to
choose. ;)


#81 of 86 by ball on Sat May 29 03:54:30 2021:

    Re. #80: We're still using the doors and windows that
came with the house.  I suppose the wood we use for the
framing, door jams etc. might matter less once it's painted.
I just wondered whether certain species were less prone to
water damage over time.


#82 of 86 by tod on Sat Jul 17 03:32:10 2021:

Where does keesan lurk these days?


#83 of 86 by ball on Sat Sep 25 13:33:59 2021:

Re. #82: I'm not sure but I wish her well, wherever that is.

    Still plodding along with the windows we got when we
moved in.  I've called a couple of window companies and left
messages but they don't seem to want the business.


#84 of 86 by papa on Sat Sep 25 23:14:27 2021:

resp:83 It's a deep subject.


#85 of 86 by ball on Wed Apr 20 01:25:10 2022:

    We're ready for new screen doors and one or two exterior
doors.  I'm leaning towards wood even though that's more
expensive than steel.  Even though I think I know what's
involved in fitting a pre-hung door, I'll probably pay to
have them professionally installed.


#86 of 86 by tod on Sun May 1 22:33:26 2022:

I did a metal solid fitted left in door.  Wood would have been nice
but the flux in atmosphere makes them so fickle.


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