Grex Cyberpunk Conference

Item 147: The Fifth Napster Item

Entered by krj on Tue Mar 27 23:46:12 2001:

21 new of 143 responses total.


#123 of 143 by krj on Mon May 21 20:21:02 2001:

((David, Vivendi Universal might be of particular interest to you because
they control the biggest chunk of major-label classical catalog.
London/Decca, Angel, Deutsche Gramophon, Philips are just a few of 
the brand labels & catalogs which Vivendi Universal has ended up with.))


#124 of 143 by mcnally on Mon May 21 22:38:20 2001:

 re #118:  You're probably talking about UCITA, which has been adopted
 in several states and is being heavily lobbied in the rest.



#125 of 143 by krj on Tue May 22 23:01:12 2001:

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/22/technology/22MUSI.html

analysis:  "Vivendi Deal for MP3.com Highlights Trend"

"The upshot, industry analysts say, is that the
five major record companies could wind up
actually consolidating their power in an
Internet age that some analysts thought would
shake the labels to their core."     

We mentioned this before; the major music companies now seem to be 
on the verge of tightening their stranglehold on the distribution
of music.

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http://www.latimes.com/business/20010521/t000042593.html

"Net Music Services in Royal Bind"

Best summary I've seen of the controversy between the music publishers
and the online music business.

In today's world, music publishers get a "performance" royalty when a song is 
broadcast on the radio, or else they get a "reproduction" royalty when a 
physical disc or tape is sold.  On the net, these neat categories get blurred,
and according to this article the music publishers feel they should get 
both performance and reproduction royalties for music downloads.




#126 of 143 by krj on Wed May 23 14:54:08 2001:

Another story about how the big labels now own most of the online 
music cards:

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/may2001/nf20010522_934.htm

quote:  "As the dust settles on the online-music landscape, there appears 
         to be little left that the big labels haven't bought -- or broken. 
         Napster traffic is plummeting as the court-mandated filtering 
         systems have made it significantly harder to find
         music that consumers want. Among the top-10 music sites only two 
         don't belong to the big labels, according to traffic measurements 
         by online-research firm Jupiter Media Metrix." 

And according to the article, only one of those two is a true independent,
launch.com; the other unnamed site is owned by a unnamed large corporation.
 


#127 of 143 by krj on Wed May 23 15:17:08 2001:

Here's a very interesting review of what looks to be a very interesting
book:  DIGITAL COPYRIGHT, by Jessica Litman.

http://slashdot.org/books/01/03/28/0121209.shtml



#128 of 143 by krj on Sat May 26 19:29:51 2001:

News item from everywhere: the RIAA has sued Aimster, the encrypted 
file exchange system built on top of AOL Instant Message.  Aimster has
also lost a contest for their domain name; AOL claims "aimster" is a 
trademark infringement.


#129 of 143 by scg on Sat May 26 21:33:08 2001:

From what I've read, Aimster has nothing to do with AOL Instant Messenger,
but rather is named after its creator's daughter.  That people (including me,
before I read an article about it a week or two ago) are confused by the name
and think it has something do with AIM is pretty much the legal test for
trademark infringement, if I understand trademark law correctly.


#130 of 143 by mdw on Sun May 27 00:04:53 2001:

Wasn't AIM a single-board computer kit related to the KIM?


#131 of 143 by danr on Sun May 27 01:41:42 2001:

Yes. I used to actually used to have an AIM-65. I even had the BASIC 
interpreter in ROM.


#132 of 143 by krj on Tue Jun 5 21:43:43 2001:

Two items today from http://www.sfgate.com , the website of the 
San Francisco Chronicle:
 
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2001/06/05/financial1
539EDT0235.DTL
 
(sorry about the wrapped URL) is an AP story reporting that Napster is 
close to concluding licensing deals with the major labels in the 
MusicNet coalition, which are AOL Time Warner, Bertelsmann & EMI.
There are caveats that the labels are still not satisfied with Napster's
protections against copyright infringements.
 
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2001/06/05/BU111061.DTL
 
"Battle over digital music moves to recordable CD drives."

EMI has acquired a partial stake in Roxio.  Roxio, the maker of the 
software program Easy CD Creator, was recently spun off from Adaptec.

     "EMI Music, one of the big five record labels, plans to announce
     a deal with Roxio Inc. of Milpitas today to develop technology designed
     to control the burning ((of CDs by consumers)).  Roxio makes CD-burning
     software that is shipped with about 70 percent of the estimated 100
     million recordable CD units in the marketplace.

     "How that technology will work or exactly what it 
     will do is unclear, although executives at the two companies 
     said one example might be to program CD burners to prohibit 
     copying of a song unless the user pays a fee."

An executive of Roxio says the interest is not in controlling what is 
done today with CDs, but what will be done in the future with downloaded
music files.

Analysts suggest that consumers will not put up with restrictions on 
what they can do with their CD burners, or with downloaded files they have
paid for.


#133 of 143 by mcnally on Tue Jun 5 23:37:52 2001:

  How lucky that we have analysts to tell us that..  :-p


#134 of 143 by krj on Wed Jun 6 21:39:30 2001:

Here's a more detailed article about the EMI/Roxio proposal to put 
controls into CD burning software:

http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/depth/roxio060501.htm

Emi's idea is that the consumer would buy a license to burn the downloaded
music file; they think one in four CD sales could be done this way in 
five years.  They say they view this as a new channel for sales.
 
And here are two articles on the shape of the new for-pay Napster service:
http://www.inside.com/jcs/Story?article_id=32416&pod_id=13
http://www.wired.com/news/mp3/0,1285,44322,00.html

The inside.com article, by Charles C. Mann, is better, but unless Salon
picks it up, the link will be broken in a day or three.

Napster is going to charge for one level of access for downloading 
music from independent labels, and for another level of access to get to 
music from their three major-label partners in the RealNet alliance.
 
The publishers are still a huge stumbling block in Napster's path towards
a July re-launch as a centralized downloading service; the technical 
challenges are also seen as formidable, since no one has ever attempted 
to stream as much music as Napster is expected to dish out from a few 
central servers.
 
The description of how the two-tier Napster will work -- with two 
separate pieces of user software, initially -- sound like another flop
in the making.


#135 of 143 by krj on Thu Jun 14 23:42:47 2001:

A Cnet story about how ISP's are being pressured into helping copyright
holders hunt down their customers:

http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-6221068.html?tag=st.mu.1652424.ncnet.1
005-200-6221068

ISPs argue that the DMCA covers having the ISP remove infringing material
from the ISP's machines, but it does not cover terminating customers 
who are infringing copyrights from their own machines.

The ISPs are worried that they will be found liable for their customers'
copyright infringements by courts in Europe; ISPs are generally 
protected from such liability by US law.



#136 of 143 by other on Sun Jun 17 06:38:28 2001:

That's like prosecuting telcos for their customers' harassing phone calls.


#137 of 143 by krj on Sun Jun 17 06:55:43 2001:

Telcos have clear protection in the law due to their status as 
"common carriers," who are obligated to carry the traffic of all 
comers.  ISPs have not generally been recognized as "common carriers"
since by Internet custom there are some activities of their users which
they are expected to police, such as vandalism of other systems and 
sending lots of spam e-mail.  ISPs had considerable & realistic liability
worries until the DMCA granted them protection in the early 1990s.
However, the protections of the DMCA cover American courts only, and 
many jurisdictions are now interested in extending extraterritoriality
in Internet cases.  My understanding of the trend in Europe is that 
European courts have been much more willing to bring ISPs into cases;
at a minimum there are the two cases where Germany prosecuted CompuServe
for transmitting pornography, and where France has pursued action 
against Yahoo over American-based sales of Nazi memorabilia.
 
So if I ran a Napster clone on my PC and offered up copies of material 
of European origin, or offered them so they could be downloaded in 
Europe, the European rights holder would want to take action against
my American ISP in European courts.

(I'm tired and babbling...)


#138 of 143 by other on Sun Jun 17 07:56:51 2001:

What jurisdiction would an EU court have over an American ISP?

Even the French Nazi/Yahoo Auction thing is being reviewed because of
jurisdictional concerns.


#139 of 143 by krj on Sun Jun 17 16:57:41 2001:

Another summary article on recent developments with the big record 
companies seizing control:
 
http://www.economist.com/business/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=656204

Note that the Universal/Sony "Duet" vaporware online service has 
now been renamed "pressplay."
 
Quote on how the legitimate download systems may still produce a 
substantial revenue squeeze for the labels:
 
  "Even at $20-$30 a month, for unlimited downloads, the record
   companies could expect a steep drop in revenues per track:
   consumers in America now pay over $1 per track on a CD album, 
   which will often contain songs they would never choose to pay for."


#140 of 143 by krj on Sun Jun 17 17:12:50 2001:

As someone mentioned in party recently, Audiogalaxy is where it's at.
Here's a Cnet article summarizing recent developments in the music file 
trading scene for those of us who are technological Luddites:
 
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-6282002.html?tag=tp_pr

The quick summary: Napster may be fading away but new services are 
seeing explosive growth.


#141 of 143 by scg on Sun Jun 17 17:16:18 2001:

Yes, making it easy to download tracks probably causes people to download more
of them.  That's a deceptive measurement, though, since it's the initial
production, not each downloaded copy, that costs the record companies
significant amounts of money.  It seems to me that the real question in terms
of whether the record companies would gain or lose revenue from a $30 per
month unlimited subscription service is whether the typical customer of that
service would otherwise be spending $30 per month on CDs.


#142 of 143 by krj on Fri Jun 22 20:07:41 2001:

Eric in resp:138, on international jurisdiction over American ISPs:
 
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5093109,00.html?chkpt=zdnn_tp_


This ZDnet story is about The Hague Convention on Jurisdiction and 
Foreign Judgements, a proposed treaty.
 
"'In a nutshell, it will strangle the Internet with a suffocating 
  blanket of overlapping jurisdictional claims, expose every Web
  page publisher to liabilities for libel, defamation and other 
  speech offenses from virtually any country, (and) effectively strip
  Internet service providers of protections from litigation over the
  content they carry," Jamie Love, director of Ralph Nader's 
  Consumer Project on Technology (CPT), wrote in a report after the 
  meeting."
 ...
"The Hague treaty differs...   it is much broader, requiring participants
 to agree to enforce each others' laws on a variety of topics.
 As it stands, the treaty would require courts to enforce the commercial
 laws of the convention's 52 member nations, even if they prohibit actions
 that are legal under local laws."

"Delegates did not soften speech laws to provide for countries that value
 the exchange of information.  In addition, they strengthened some 
 intellectual property provisions--over the objections of consumer groups.
 
"'The bottom line is that it didn't go well,' said Barry Steinhardt, 
 associate director of the American Civil Liberties Union... He said that 
 although American delegates listened to free-speech worries, most others
 did not.

"CPT's Love agreed.  "We got our ass kicked," he said. 'It was a bad two 
 weeks for us.'
 
"Free-speech advocates fear US citizens could lose many of their rights if 
 all web sites have to ensure they are following the narrowest laws, such
 as those of, say, China or Morocco."



#143 of 143 by tpryan on Fri Jun 22 21:59:55 2001:

        I have a suspicion there are a lot of communists in China.


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