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Item 142: The Fourth Napster Item

Entered by krj on Wed Feb 7 04:53:55 2001:

41 new of 134 responses total.


#94 of 134 by dbratman on Sat Feb 17 00:56:48 2001:

Stanford University, where I work, has instituted network routines to 
put Napster and several other such services at the bottom priority of 
network processing.  They've been eating up so much network resources 
it slows everybody down.  There is no prohibition, and in fact they 
recommend certain times of day when other network traffic is low.

As I suspected, it's the bandwidth.

Response among students has been mixed.  Some whine that they can't get 
everything they want RIGHT NOW.  Others suggest that perhaps this move 
will improve the dating scene on campus, as students will be impelled 
to go out instead of spending all their evenings downloading music from 
the Web.

A list of things that _I_ would prefer doing to watching little 
completion percentage bars crawl across my computer screen would be a 
very long list indeed.


#95 of 134 by gull on Sat Feb 17 05:07:18 2001:

At Michigan Tech they banned Napster use because they found the usage
pattern it created was aggravating a problem with their backbone
switch.  (A problem that the switch's manufacturer had, at the time I
left, been utterly unable to fix over a period of two or three months.) 
It wasn't a bandwidth usage problem, exactly; something about the
rapid-fire way Napster makes connections was triggering the switch to
drop whole network segments for ten or fifteen minutes at a time.


#96 of 134 by krj on Sat Feb 17 05:42:42 2001:

News item:
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010215/tc/belgium_napsster_1.html
 
"Belgian Cops Raid Music-Sharers."

The raids of users homes were primarily aimed at a web site.
However, the prosecution spokesman says, "four cases against 
Napster users were currently under review."


#97 of 134 by mcnally on Sun Feb 18 02:14:38 2001:

  I much preferred the hysterical Slashdot extrapolations (jackbooted Belgian
  stormtroopers conducting mass arrests) to the actual story, which involves
  police seizing computers from several people who operated an MP3 download
  site, but this could indeed turn into a trend to watch..


#98 of 134 by krj on Sun Feb 18 19:20:24 2001:

www.inside.com has the  best explanation I've seen of how a Digital Rights
Management Napster is supposed to work.  Grab the story quick before they
move it from the "free" section to the "members" section.
 
New Scientist has a piece on SDMI and watermarking.
http://www.newscientist.com/features/features.jsp?id=ns22782

Like most good stuff, this is indexed from the http://www.mp3.com/news
index page.


#99 of 134 by raven on Wed Feb 21 08:11:18 2001:

And the latest news is Napster wants to try to settel with all the record
companies including the indies for a cool billion dollars.  This works
out to 20 dollars a subscriber for napsters current 50 million subscribers,
assuming most of them stay signed up for a subscriber service which is a big
if, with open nap, guntella, etc, available for free.  Seems like a sketchy 
business model, but it could way to reach the win win solution of unlimited
aqccess to music while assuring the record companies and more importantly
the artisits their cut.


#100 of 134 by mdw on Wed Feb 21 09:38:38 2001:

The artists?  Doubtful even in the most optimistic model.


#101 of 134 by krj on Wed Feb 21 17:20:34 2001:

resp:96, resp:97 ::  ZDnet(UK) runs a story that the IFPI (the global
version of the RIAA)  is pushing hard for raids on Napster users in 
Belgium.  "The head of IFPI in Belgium, Marcel Heymans, claimed 
Thursday that Belgian police were poised to raid the homes of hundreds
of Napster users."

http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2687923,00.html?chkpt=zdhpnew
s01
 
or some URL like that.
 
As for the billion dollar settlement offer, it smacks of desperation 
to me.  If the four major labels (other than BMG) wanted Napster to 
continue to exist, and if they thought it could produce a billion dollars
in revenue, then they could just continue their lawsuit, win, and collect
all Napster assets in the judgement; then they would own Napster and 
its potential revenues forever.
 
Several of the pieces I read yesterday -- there was a huge flurry of them
prompted by the billion dollar offer -- suggest the most likely outcome
will be that someone sets up a Napster-ish directory server in one of the 
countries which currently host off-shore gambling sites.   Revenue?
One could probably get millions of Napster users to pay a small monthly
fee for access to the directory server if the files traded were unrestricted
MP3 files, rather than the restricted-use files planned for Napster II.


#102 of 134 by brighn on Thu Feb 22 17:11:53 2001:

#110, 99> Even fairly optimistic lil ol' me isn't naive enough to think any
noticable amount of Napster's settlement with the RIAA and the Majors will
go to the artists. 
(er, that was 100, not 110)


#103 of 134 by krj on Thu Feb 22 17:58:54 2001:

Couple of fascinating (to me, anyway) news items.
 
Slashdot's "YRO" (Your Rights Online) section links to a story at
www.law.com about Dave Powell and Copyright Control Services, who hunt
down copyright infringers on the net.  So far his business has been 
mostly defending expensive software packages for pro audio, but he's
just chomping at the bit to start working over Napster users.
What's holding him back, so far, is the PR concerns of the record labels.
The www.law.com URL is just too mindboggling to transcribe, sorry.
 
And Congress, most notably Senator Orrin Hatch (R, Utah), continues
to make noises.  A story I missed at the Washington Post last Thursday
quotes Hatch as raising the possibility that Congress could enact
a "compulsory license" for the Internet sale of music.
A compulsory license would mean that the copyright holder would lose
veto power over the ability of a company to use or sell its music;
it's similar to what exists today for radio, I think.  
The record company screams would be heard for miles.

Rep. Rick Boucher (D-Va) criticizes the record labels for their
reluctance to allow sales of individual songs, rather than complete
albums.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12511-2001Feb15.html

Non-original thoughts:  Hatch, in particular, seems particularly 
irked because he was a principal author of the Digital Millenium 
Copyright Act.  The act, which gave the copyright industry just 
about everything it wanted, was supposed to speed the arrival of an
online music business, but here we are, years later, and there's no
real online music business, just lawsuits galore.   I've lost the 
essay which claimed that the major labels are still in "deep denial"
about the Internet and its implications for their business.

And I haven't mentioned a piece from www.musicdish.com, which 
put forth the proposal that the promotion and distribution sides
of the music business converge on the Net...  later this afternoon maybe.



#104 of 134 by brighn on Fri Feb 23 18:12:02 2001:

(Side note. question: I'd also heard about ten years back or so that there
were laws drafted or transcribed that would allow anyone who wants to *cover*
a song to do so despite the wishes of the copyright holder, so long as they
pay a royalty fee. Is that accurate, or was some media source confused about
what was going on?)


#105 of 134 by mcnally on Fri Feb 23 19:03:28 2001:

  I thought that was already the case..


#106 of 134 by krj on Fri Feb 23 19:28:10 2001:

That's essentially correct, as I understand it.  The right to make a 
first recording is under the control of the copyright holder, but
to make subsequent recordings, all a performer has to do is pay 
the statutory licensing fees, and the copyright holder has nothing 
to say about it.  I am not aware that there was any recent change 
to these rules.


#107 of 134 by krj on Fri Feb 23 19:44:56 2001:

News item:  "Next on record industry's hit list -- Napster clones"
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2689187,00.html       
                            (or find it at http://www.mp3.com/news)

With the Court of Appeals ruling against Napster as a precedent, 
the RIAA has fired off 60 legal notices to the ISPs of people who
are running "Open Napster" servers.  Presumably this is the 
DMCA "notice and take down" form letter, in which the ISP has to cut
off the user to protect its own immunity from copyright lawsuit.

What's not mentioned in the story, but what I think I remember from
the Scientology cases, is that the copyright holder has to follow
up with a lawsuit against the user within a short period of time, 
or else the ISP and the user are free to continue as before.

The story mentions the difficulties with Open Napster servers located
outside the USA.

The RIAA's lawyer says they have ideas about how to attack Gnutella,
but he declined to discuss them.


#108 of 134 by danr on Sat Feb 24 04:01:29 2001:

Sounds like a losing battle to me. As soon as one program or service is 
beaten down, two will spring up to take its place. And that's not even 
taking into account websites outside the US.


#109 of 134 by krj on Thu Mar 1 21:04:49 2001:

Napster's next court date with Judge Marilyn Patel is tomorrow.
She's supposed to be working on the injunction to force Napster to 
cease exchanging copyrighted material, under the direction she was 
given by the appeals court panel.  Does this mean Napster will shut
down tomorrow?  Seems iffy, since Napster would probably appeal the 
ruling just to play out the string.  But don't be surprised if the 
survival of Napster-as-we-know-it is measured in days or weeks.
Watch online news media for breaking reports of whatever happens.
 
Napster has urged its users to take its cause to Congress, and 
in response the RIAA has been stocking up on Republican lobbyists.
Their most prominent signing is Bob Dole, and this one brings warmth
to my heart: I can think of no better Republican representative 
of the Old Regime, the pre-Internet years, than Bob Dole, Yesterday's
Man.  
 
The RIAA has also signed up Governor Marc Racicot, who is quoted in 
a wide variety of news stories  that he sees his role as 
educating Congress as to the role of intellectual property.
He specifically names Sen. Orrin Hatch as someone who needs to be
educated; I hope Hatch, who co-authored the last major revision of
copyright law and who is also a independent songwriter in his spare 
time, bops Racicot on the head.  :)


#110 of 134 by krj on Thu Mar 1 23:41:29 2001:

This isn't directly a Napster-related news item but I'll stick it 
in here anyway, since some of the players and arguments have figured
in the Napster arguments:

http://www.latimes.com/business/updates/lat_love010228.htm
 
Lead paragraphs:  "Just as actress Olivia de Havilland brought down 
the Hollywood studio system in the 1950s and outfielder Curt Flood
fought for free agency in baseball in the 1970s, rock star Courtney
Love is determined to radically redefine the nature of the music
recording business for the next century.

"Love is seeking to break her contract with Vivendi Universal, the 
world's largest record conglomerate, and expose what she calls the 
'unconscionable and unlawful' tactics of the major record labels."
 
Summarizing:
The basic argument seems to be that the standard record label 
contract is a servitude-for-life kind of deal, and courts have 
held those to be unreasonable.  

California has a law which limits entertainment contracts to seven years,
but the law has never been tested in the music business.  
The record companies have settled similar suits with other artists,
but Love has strong financial resources, since she controls the 
Kurt Cobain estate, and she has already fired  her previous attorney
for trying to settle the suit.


#111 of 134 by mcnally on Fri Mar 2 00:23:10 2001:

  She may have a point.  It's entirely possible that seven years exceeds
  Courtney Love's life expectancy..


#112 of 134 by krj on Fri Mar 2 01:23:54 2001:

There was a similar suit filed within the last six months or so, and 
my mind has gone vague on the details.  It was by the leader/songwriter
of Foreigner, or some similar hard rock hair band of days gone by.
 
The plaintiff's argument went like this.  Under the contract, he still owes 
two albums to the record label.   However, the label has lost all interest
in his style of music, which he admits is now out of fashion, and 
so the label won't accept or release anything he turns in.   
There is still a minority interest in his music, 
and he would like to be free to look for an independent boutique
label or maybe market himself;
but the label refuses to release him.
 
So essentially he is in permanent bondage and can never earn money
through recording music again.  He asks the court to terminate the 
contract because it cannot be fulfilled.  I've heard nothing further
about this.


#113 of 134 by aaron on Fri Mar 2 16:55:20 2001:

He should change his name to a symbol, and wait out his record contract.
 It worked for Prince, sort of....


#114 of 134 by krj on Fri Mar 2 21:00:43 2001:

Breaking news items on today's court hearing:  Judge Patel 
"concluded the hearing by saying she will rule at an undisclosed
time."   Napster says it will block one million songs from being 
traded, starting this weekend, in an attempt to pacify the 
record companies.  (from www.sfgate.com)


#115 of 134 by aaron on Fri Mar 2 21:19:54 2001:

According to Britney Spears, there are nine million wonderful songs in 
the world, so that doesn't seem too bad for Napster. <cough>


#116 of 134 by scott on Fri Mar 2 22:21:36 2001:

Aaron, do you have a cite for that "statistic"?

Seriously, it sounds like something which would be a pretty funny read. :)


#117 of 134 by aaron on Fri Mar 2 22:38:30 2001:

http://www.mtv.com/sendme.tin?page=/news/gallery/s/spears00_2/index3.htm
l


#118 of 134 by aaron on Fri Mar 2 22:39:00 2001:

(the "l" wrapped)


#119 of 134 by scott on Fri Mar 2 23:01:21 2001:

Amusing little interview:
"MTV: People always think, "Oh, this whole teen pop craze is
only going to last five minutes." How is it important
for you to show that that won't happen to you?

Britney: I think it really boils down to good music.
If you do that, I think you'll be around for a while."


Hee hee.  :)


#120 of 134 by krj on Sat Mar 3 02:23:34 2001:

News media reports differ on whether Napster is going to block 
"one million songs" or "one million file names;" the RIAA says that 
one million file names could be as few as 100 songs, since the users
pick and mispell the file names as they wish.


#121 of 134 by remmers on Sat Mar 3 18:19:32 2001:

So presumably users could get around any blocking based on
file names, simply by renaming files.  Is such an approach
likely to satisfy the court?


#122 of 134 by scott on Sat Mar 3 18:28:54 2001:

Dude!  Heard the latest mp3 from Meta11ica?  ;)


#123 of 134 by krj on Sat Mar 3 22:12:51 2001:

In the original preliminary injunction order from Judge Patel
last July, Napster was directed to halt all trading of copyrighted
material involving their service, even if it required Napster to 
shut down.   

In contrast, the directions of the appeals court seem to be saying
(this is based on press reports and fallible memory, remember) 
that Napster has to stop the exchanging of copyrighted files to the 
extent that their technology allows them to do so, while not 
unreasonably hampering lawful file transfers.  All Napster HQ
ever sees is the file names; the actual transfers of binary song 
files take place directly between the users.  So the file names 
are all Napster Inc. has to work with.


#124 of 134 by remmers on Sun Mar 4 14:38:38 2001:

Interesting.  Thanks for the clarification.


#125 of 134 by mwg on Tue Mar 6 03:40:48 2001:

Napster was supposedly going to install filters this weekend to cut down
on the copyrighted song traffic, statistics right now are: 2075980 songs
10350 users 8874GB of data.

So much for filtering.


#126 of 134 by krj on Tue Mar 6 18:32:09 2001:

Judge Patel's new injunction came out this morning.  Reports on it 
are in most online media sources.  The New York Times and inside.com
have pretty opposite analyses of it.


#127 of 134 by mcnally on Tue Mar 6 20:48:23 2001:

 regarding Napster song blocking, a friend sent me this..
 
 > I love this idea, from a headline blurb on Slashdot.  It can't see it
 > holding up, but it's a truly inspired idea.  :-)
 >
 >> AIMster is offering a Pig Latin encoder that will encrypt your mp3 titles.
 >> They state that, under the DMCA, it would be illegal for the RIAA to
 >> reverse engineer their encoding scheme and try and filter the encrypted
 >> filenames from Napster.
 
 I have to concur with his assessment that it's unlikely to prevent much of
 an impediment to the RIAA, but I love the ironic angle..


#128 of 134 by krj on Wed Mar 7 21:18:37 2001:

remmers in resp:124 :: a good article on the injunction and what it
requires  of Napster is at the Washington Post:

http://www.washtech.com/news/media/8141-1.html

My guess is that what happens is that the RIAA goes back before 
Judge Patel in a week or two and says, this is not working.


#129 of 134 by krj on Sat Mar 10 06:03:21 2001:

"The Music Business Thinks Like Napster:"
 
Found at Borders tonight is a sampler from the Verve label's new 
reissue program of old jazz classics:  Ella, Louis Armstrong, Count Basie,
Antonio Carlos Jobim, and so forth.   It's supposed to be free if 
you buy one album from the series: but if you want to buy it on its
own, Borders will sell it to you for a penny.
 
So far, pretty standard promotional stuff.  The twist:  for your penny, 
you get two identical CDs.   "Music so good we made it twice,"
reads the package.  "Keep one and pass it on!"
 
This is actually the second time I've heard of this gimmick, though
the first I've seen it in the store.
 
(Note to Twila: the package also says there is a bonus new Diana Krall
track in here, so you might want to scoop this up.)


#130 of 134 by sspan on Wed Mar 14 02:07:48 2001:

a penny for a new Diana Krall song? I'm there..:)


#131 of 134 by krj on Wed Mar 14 17:41:53 2001:

resp:128 ::  I lost the news story where the record labels are complaining
that Napster is still allowing many song files to be traded.
 
The LA Times reports that Napster is asking Judge Patel to appoint 
a technically competent monitor to verify that Napster is doing 
everything possible to comply with the injunction crafted under the 
guidance of the 9th circuit appeals panel.  


#132 of 134 by anderyn on Fri Mar 16 13:14:15 2001:

I just found out that e-music is having a free promotion (through March
18th) -- they'll let you download fifteen songs (or a whole album, as you
choose), for free. They do pay royalties to the artists, and it is a trial
to allow you to see how good their for-pay service is, but I found some 
pretty cool artists on there, and some groups I wouldn't have expected (lots
of Cooking Vinyl artists, Ken, and some Shanachie, too...). 

The url for those who might be interested is:
t http://www.emusic.com/index.html#promoanchor
(without the t at the beginning, of course)


#133 of 134 by dbratman on Fri Mar 16 19:04:05 2001:

As a law librarian, I've just had the privilege of cataloging a 
videotape recording of the appeals court arguments from last November 
by David Boies (for Napster) and other lawyers (for N's nemeses).

My private personal conclusion: They're all idiots, every one.


#134 of 134 by krj on Tue Mar 27 23:56:21 2001:

I've started a new Napster item to be linked between Music and Spring
Agora.  It's item:music,304 in the music conference.  
Discussion here should probably stop, though I won't take the step 
of freezing the item.


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