84 new of 367 responses total.
Thank you Paul! I too changed my vote from no to yes. If Mary's proposal fails, and we cannot find a workable compromise, then nothing on Grex will be available to unregistered people. If Mary's proposal passes, and none of the compromises have majority support, we will still have this policy in place. It is not clear to me that any compromise is going to get majority support, and since I really prefer that we allow unregistered reading, I want this option available.
I grew up in a family that tended to disagree with enthusiasm. No problem here. I hope you feel better soon, Paul.
I still hope Mary's propoal fail. I'm a fan of free choice and it doesn't allow that.
Results are as follows: 40 voting members in good standing cast
ballots.
Yes 21
No 19
In addition, 72 non-members voted. The results here (which don't
count towards determining the outcome) are
Yes 40
No 32
Fair enough. I'll have my resignation ready in the afternoon.
I hope you, cmcgee, and you valerie are happy! Hads you two not switched your votes, this thing would be DEAD.
I think it is an unfair double standard that the Staff conference can remain closed to unregistered reaading, however every single other conference must be open.
*smiles at Ryan* I was advised by one staffer that I was being discussed in the Staff conference about a year ago. That statement was confirmed, in very roundabout ways, by two other staffers and outrightly denied by yet two other staffers. So I heartily agree with you, and have said so before. I'm told 90% of the staff conference is so boring that it would be torture for anyone else to HAVE to read it, though. =}
Re 289 - To be technical, *one* switched vote would have defeated this motion, since "majority" means "more than half", not "half or more". Look it up in your Funk and Wagnalls. >8)
AndValerie saves the day! I felt sure that if she hadnt changedher vote back, this would have been a tie. I predicted this outcome om the nail: #106 of 293: by Richard J. Wallner (richard) on Sun, Feb 23, 1997 (18:15): Mary, Peter, Jeff, John, SCG, and SRW all voted against the previous proposal but will vote yes for Mary's. Basede on the previous vote of 16 to 24, if noone else changes their mind, the vote would be 21 yes 19 no. The votes are there. Grex politics arent that hard to figureout :) I hope Jan and/or SRW can turn unregistered reading on today. May as well try it out for a while before voting on thenext proposals. So we'llhaveperspective. Flip the switch!
"Flip the switch", what an appropriate phrase for it. >8)
siwtch, bird, they're both nouns
I would hope, that before "flipping the switch", that the designers of Backtalk wait for the outcome of the currently-in-process compromise. I see no benefit in offending people unnecessarily by hasty implementation of something that might last only 15-20 days.
Uh....is that a motion? I see no harm in having it on, even if only to have a couple of weeks of experience with it. It is not hasty to implement a policy when the policy is adopted. Besides, any chance to gain experience, rather than just all the theory we have had, is worthwhile.
I must point out that the vote switches occurred during the improperly-
extended period of voting, confirmed by the switchers. If the vote
had ended when it should have, the motion would have been defeated.
Unbelievable!
I declare a mis-vote!
You cant prove who voted when...or how many voters voted yesterday or the day before. Just because Valerie changed her vote on the last day doesnt mean that other people didnt vote on the last day as well. I dont see the problem, since all extending the time period did was give more people time to vote. In any case this was brought up and there was no objection. End of story.
David, if you will read response 30, posted on February 15th, you will see that my vote changed well withing the proper voting period.
[Actually, it was my mind that changed. The proposal wasn't even being voted on at that point]
I'm only talking about confirmed late vote-switchers, Colleen.
will this be implemented before the other motion is voted on? *is trying to decide when to leave*
#305...yes, there was no period of delay stipulated and staff is obligated to carry out member or board ordered directives with due diligence3.
I would certainly hope this policy would be implemented without delay. Then as we go into the next vote we'll have a better feeling for how it goes. I'm looking forward to any fine-tuning of this issue to be based more on fact than fear. Janc and srw, when do you plan to make the switch?
This policy will probably not be implemented without delay. This policy does not require immediate deployment. Everything requires a delay. I am in favor of doing this but I am too friggin busy to get to it for a while. If someone else wants to make the changes, I will not object. Also I think it is only fair to allow plenty of time for people to remove what they don't want to be seen, although I think that the whole idea of hiding what one has typed into Grex is very silly. Also I want to say that Kerouac is just plain wrong about me. I voted for the compromise. I repudiated resp:106, and yet he still quotes it in resp:294. I voted *FOR* the compromise.
I also think it is totally inappropriate to hang the vote on one person's back. You don't really know how anyone voted, nor when nor if they changed their vote. You only know what the claimed. The vote is officially a secret ballot.
My "without delay" was not at all meant that as a demand on your time, Steve. It was aimed at the idea that this action should be delayed until further votes have come and gone. Experience will help in the decision of what, if anything, should be done to fine-tune this policy. If you and janc are too busy to see to it then you are to busy to see to it and we'll need to be patient.
I would appreciate some time. It would be curteous. Prove to me you're no incapable of even that. I'm beginning to wonder.
I don't know where I got the impression, maybe from something janc entered, that this was simple perm on/off thing in the software. But it looks like it maybe isn't, Jenna, so there will be some transition time.
It shouldn't be especially complicated to implement this policy, as we don't have to note which conferences have special properties. I was feeling particularly harried when I read your post Mary. I would like to give preparation time for those people who want to remove selective items in advance of this, out of respect for their wishes. I am torn on the question of waiting for another vote. It would seem proper to implement the policy which was approved by the members without delay, as I am sure you will argue, but others may have a legitimate claim that if we were to pass by membership vote in a very short time a compromise, then it would be less disruptive to the Grex community not to implement a policy for a short period which would cause pain to some, only to revise it shortly thereafter. Besides, I am not sure how many different policies I want to implement. I am leaning toward allowing the consensus building process come to rest first before going off and implementing anything at all. I am undecided and wish input and guidance on this.
This would not all happen this way in a FTF (under RRO). I therefore support letting all these related motions play out before taking any action. (Under RRO, the chair could just rule this, if there was a chair.... (it is kinda fun trying to function in a chaotic system, though)).)
Steve, you say, "I am sure you will argue..." but I'm not going to argue. So there. ;-) Really, whatever folks decide to do here is fine by me. You want to delay implementing this until all the votes are a done deal, no problem. This issue has taken on a life of its own. It maybe be something of a novelty for this to happen on Grex but I've seen it many a time on M-net. Over the years I've watched in total amazement how folks can get so completely immersed, dominated, and emotionally devastated by the politics of a bbs. Grex is getting big enough now that we have collected a cadre of folks susceptible to this behavior. Enough to feed the action and make it a good show. Progress, of a kind. But maybe it's what I'm exposed to all day long that keeps me from feeling too much empathy for this crisis. You want to feel crushed? Find out your cancer is inoperative. You want to feel helpless? Watch a loved one clinging to life while your heart-felt wish is they would mercifully die. Feel left out of the decision making? Deal with a teenager out of control. Feel you've "lost your home?" Be without a place to sleep at night. There are issues worthy of the kind of angst we've seen here. Unregistered reading of a bbs's conferences ain't it. I'm hoping some leadership steps up to the podium and helps get us through this (exaggerated) issue. You won't please everyone but you will be helping all involved.
Rane slipped in.
I have two questions: Why? No reason to do it, really.. people for the most part won't really care, I dont' think it will noticeably increase volume. Most people on grex don't even care about confs. Why not? anon people can read grex confs all they want.. jsut telnet itn, get yourself a login, and read. It's not private. it's public. I don't really care.
I think you're showing a good grasp of the (non-) issues here, senna. Congratulations.
Re #315: Well said, Mary, and I too don't think the issue is worth getting worked up about. But everything is relative, and if Grex politics is really important to someone, well then they'll feel strongly about it. But really, people, let's keep some perspective.
I'm glad that this won't be yet another contentious debate. I did not mean to put words in your mouth, Mary. I apologize. Like I said, I haven't really decided what to do. I am pleased that we can put anonymous reading up, but I am mostly tempted to wait a while, like until cmcgee's propoosition is voted on. I won't want to delay indefinitely, though.
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maybe anonymous is never what bothered people about id-less reading. i bet THAT never occured to anyone. i think it would be a good idea to wait. curteous, etc. Mary> I think your post about M-net sums up my current feelings about Grex. Spiraling doward towards M-Net. Thank you. I could have said it myself, but not so eloquently, factually.
I think there needs to be a plan on where we are going with this issue. I'd suggest that the policy which was voted on (this item) be put into effect as soon as either Jan or Steve can make the necessary changes to Backtalk. Jan, what was the estimate you gave today on how soon you could have this done? Meanwhile, I'd suggest the Board do one of two things. The Board could decide to make Jan's unreadable-to-the-unregistered utility available as as soon as the program is written. Or, if there is a strong feeling this utility needs to be voted on by the membership, then someone who feels that way needs to propose such a vote. This issue needs to be resolved.
I expect that I'll once again have a little free time in the next few weeks. I can turn on anonymous reading by, say, next weekend. It was voted for, and we should do it. The filters might take more time.
I can't imagine what's been keeping you busy. ;-) Thanks, Jan.
I feel obliged to mention that in the last couple of weeks there have been 3 people who told me specifically that they were not renewing their Grex memberships specifically because this proposal passed. (robh is not one of them, by the way, in case you were wondering.) I guess that's to be expected with an issue as devisive as this one turned out to be. We're at 97 members right now.
I said that a little more "specifically" than I had intended. :)
I expect there will be a few more who won't continue to support Grex financially in protest of this decision. That's to be expected. Some folks find it easier to support a club than a wide-open community access system.
I will be the first person to admit that I am among the three that Mark mentions as not renewing as a result of this motion. I hadn't planned on saying anything; however, I do take offense to the tone that Mary uses in her response. It is this that compels me to write. The vote passing was not the absolute reason for my decision - rather, it was the seven to ten minutes I waited on several occasions this week to have my pine inbox opened. It was as a result of the numerous times that I've waited over an hour to dial-in, attack dialing the whole time. To be honest, I just don't feel that grex is currently a stable enough system for me to use right now - and I just can't support a system that I have difficulty using, let alone even accessing. I know that steps are being taken to increase bandwidth and so on, and that's fine. But I just thought it was absolutely ludicrous that people were even suggesting adding to Grex's load before the bandwidth increase was finally approved. The vote was not my absolute reason for my decision - but more the proverbial piece of straw that broke the camel's back. I never had a problem with the concept of unregistered reading - and I still don't. It's consistent with what Grex wants to be - an open community to all. I don't think that Grex should be a limited club, as Mary implies that the opposition felt. (That alone shows how much some people cared about my concerns during the voting process.) I just can no longer support a system that cannot find what I feel to be a responsible way to support itself, or its supporters.
And some folks find it easier to support a system that actually supplies a reasonable level of speed and dependability. ;-) I'm sorry you won't be continuing to donate, Michael. Really. Grex needs a little bit from a lot of folks if it is going to be able to continue to keep dues low and find a wide base of support.
get the little bit before drowning the support base then, as my broken record plays again .... and *not* without audience it seems.
nako, the pine problem was random, some accounts experienced it and some didn't. Ask Valerie for technical details, but "finger bombing" was the word she used to explain it to me. AS far as finding a responsible way to support itself, or its supporters, I think Grex is doing the best it can, and needs continued support from those of us who believe in its principles of open access. The unregistered reading will not affect how busy the dial-in lines are, and those of us who use dial-ins are a *major* expense to the system, what with phone lines, and modems and so on. If you want to see a less busy access with dial ins, pledge to pay the phone bill for one line for one year!
delay in starting/opening any process is in no way a function of busy or not-busy dialins. it is much closer to the total accumulation of used ports regardless of the connection method. and, naturally, the accumulation of total processses with regard to the system resources demanded per process - total system load.
Re #329: nako's decision to not support the system because it isn't fast enough for him - contributes to the system not being fast enough for him. Only with support can the system speed and reliability be increased.
Untrue..
It also depends on the NUMBER of ports opened, what can be run,
and whom.
contributes? yeah, sorry - not symptomatic, though
Since the unregistered reading will be (as presently planned) over the Web, modem or pty availability is not an issue. System load is, though.
I'd cancel my membership, but I didn't pay for it. You could send the anonymous donor their money back, though... then again, that might be rough. Oh well. I think pissing the people you DO have off isn't going to get you ONE iota more money, or a NICER system. I think it's going to get your a SHITTY reputation on other BBS's and by word of mouth. I CERTAINLY don't refer people here anymore.
I just cannot understand that. The most "grexian" thing to do is increase access. As far as membership goes - it sounds like you make it depend on whether you win or lose a vote. That's not my basis for joining a good cause. I find all the grumbling hollow. I still refer people here, as it is the most unique institution on the internet. Nothing has been done to give Grex a poor reputation. On the contrary, this should increase its good reputation.
Aha - criticism for making a personal decision. Something that I would have never expected from a community as open-minded as this one purports itself to be. (For the humor-impared: yes, that was sarcasm.) #332 - If pine's problems were old news, as you had put it - it's the first I'd ever heard of it. I've talked about the problems I've had with pine for the past couple of months in my responses to this issue - it's rather unfortunate that it came until now before anyone said anything my way about it. #332, #333, #335, #336 - I acknowledge that the number of dial-ins and system load are related indirectly, at best. I merely used it as an example of *my* dissatisfaction with Grex. It all ties in to the problem I have with Grex being more concerned with attracting new users than it is trying to be able to provide a system stable enough to support the new users. #334 - Rane, I guess you didn't understand what I've been saying for the past several months. I'm choosing not to renew, because I don't like the fact that the considerations of adding to system load were made before any positive changes were made to the impact upon that system load. It doesn't matter if my $6 would make the system that much better in the future - because I don't feel my $6 is making a difference right now. At this point, I don't feel that my $6 per month is contributing to the system in a way which I feel would be beneficial to the system as a whole. And I don't think that waiting ten minutes just to read my mail, while the rest of grex makes plans to open it up even more, is beneficial to *me* right now.
Rane wrote: > I just cannot understand that. The most "grexian" thing to do is > increase access. I won't argue this - I never have argued this. But everything has its price, as does this measure. Increased access to the conference will either cost money (in upgrading the system to meet the demand) or time wasted (in waiting to actually access the features of that system). You seem to be in favor of increased access at all costs - without considering the costs that may be incurred, or the opinions and feelings of those who may be opposed to it. > As far as membership goes - it sounds like you make it depend on > whether you win or lose a vote. That's not my basis for joining a good > cause. If people feel so strongly about this cause that they're willing to leave in protest, Rane - let them do it. Don't try and tell people that their feelings or opinions don't matter.
the IC hasn;'t said much, yet
Some of us are willing to live with the slowness of Grex, some aren't. If a member of a community decides to leave that community, people shouldn't criticise his/her decision as rane did. Wish him well, tell him he's welcome back if he ever wants to rejoin us, and then get on with the community. There is no need to discuss/argue about whether his feelings about Grex are right or wrong, logical or illogical. The scientific fact is: That is how he feels. We are a voluntary organization, and when people don't want to belong any more, they can quit. No debate.
Oh gack, now we're arguing about arguing. Michael stated his views on certain issues, Rane stated his. They disagree. I view this kind of open airing of differences to be healthy. Telling people to shut up because "it's wrong to criticize" I find to be not so healthy.
(Not that I'm telling anybody to shut up, of course. :)
I hesitate to say this, because money is still something Grex needs, but money is not what is keeping us slow right now. What is keeping Grex slow, to the point where it might be fair to say that Grex's infrastructure is crumbling, is a lack of staff time. We have plenty of new modems that aren't being used, phone lines that aren't being used, an expensive new computer that is not yet being used. Most of staff is too busy to deal with very much Grex stuff (me included), and those who are doing a lot of Grex stuff are very busy with the day to day issus of keeping the system going. This is a serious problem. I'm not sure what the solution is.
I have not criticized anyone's personal decisions, but solely said I disagreed, and stated my perspective. How is that criticism? Are people going to start referring to the two sides of an issue as *criticism*? So, they think democracy is founded in criticism? That's is an incorrect concept.
"Lack of staff time" is *much* too simplistic a description of why grex
is slow. Sure, with *enough* staff, we could make grex faster, but it
all depends...
Firstly, one of the major constraints on the speed of grex is the speed
of the internet link. Improving that is not black magic, all it takes
is cash. Lots of it. If we translate this into terms of staff, then
what we are talking about is getting loads of volunteer grex "staff",
then re-hiring them out as slave labour to mop floors, wait on people,
and &etc. Hmm... It might not have to be lots. I think even one or
two full-time slaves at minimum wage would do it...
Another constraint is the speed of the CPU. We have a new faster CPU,
so yup, all it takes is staff time. But not just *any* old staff time -
it needs to be somebody who knows something about vme hardware, sunos
system administration, and somebody who is really trustworthy. *That*
is not nearly so common as might be supposed.
It is also a fallacy to suppose that because something has fallen behind
schedule because of lack of human resources, that adding more people
will necessarily make it happen faster. In fact, it is much more common
to find that adding people to a late project makes it even more late.
Adding people tends to add at least exponentially to communications
problems, and since communcations problems are often one of the reasons
projects are late, the consequences are obvious. Now, it would be a
mistake to think that grex staff are crippled because of a lack of an
ability to communicate. But I would say that we grex staff have *not*
done well in terms of communicating ideals and practical information to
new grex staff. In any event, this is something I think all of us grex
staff are coming to realize, and it is very likely that there will be
material improvement here.
Money, on the other hand, is something grex staff *can't* do anything
about. Also, money *can* save staff time. A significant improvement in
link speed *will* cost money. Adding more dialin lines will also almost
certainly cost money. Things that are needed there include:
a working terminal server
33k modems for all of the current & any new lines, with
dumb mode straps
both of these are *definitely* available, IF you have the bucks.
Currently, staff time has been sucked up by trying to make a donated
free terminal server work (it's never been reliable) and by problems
created by 19.2k modems that lack dumb mode straps. Money is *also*
needed *JUST* to keep grex operating at its current level.
rane, then you don't understand. "Grexian" is obvioulsy an ideal I no longer belong to if it involves violating my personal space. I never claimed to be "Grexian" I am merely a person who has been here and wihes to stay here if at all possible (I'm still aiting, giving this all the chance to straighten out) I don't give a FLYING fuck what YOUR picture of the GREXIAN IDEAL says *I* should do. I care about how I feel and what I think,a dn you're PLENTY smart enough to understand THAT. Grex's mission, IMHO, should NOT be to provide the most access at the cost of providing a community in which the users feel safe or ok with it. WHO cares if grex is accessible from every anle if NObody wants to be here anymore! WHO REALLY cares about a ghosttown? --walks out shrugging, having work to do--
There is absolutely nothing in the founding documents or any discussion I heard here when I joined in 1993, about "personal space". Apparently you found some in the incidental ways Grex has been run. But it was founded to provide maximum access to anyone under the sun, and that is all that is being done. There are technical limits on what can be handled, but "personal space" was never a consideration, except for the freedom to be an anonymous user. Many users are right now. That is a simple answer to creating one's private "personal space". I think the only people that will walk out are those that have a problem dealing with a public forum. Incidentally, there is no evidence whatever that anything will change for current users with unregistered web reading. I don't think there will be any noticeable change, or any problems we haven't already had. I know a good way to find out, though.
In #349, Rane wrote: > I think the only people that will walk out are those that have a problem > dealing with a public forum. I give up - it's become apparent that Rane doesn't understand what I've been saying for *months* now. I'll say it again - in case it'll do some good: I no longer choose to support Grex because I don't think that the suggestion of unregistered reading is appropriate at this time, given the current quality of Grex's operation. Period. You've repeatedly ignored the numerous times I've said that I don't have a problem with unregistered reading - because you continue to group me into a contrary position. If Grex had been running smoother two months ago, I'd have voted yes. If anything had been done to make Grex run better, I'd have renewed my membership. Nothing has changed here - and as such, I feel my money is being wasted. And Rane says he's not criticizing anyone? Yeah, and wild bears don't do their duty in the woods, either. > Incidentally, there is no evidence whatever that anything will change > for current users with unregistered web reading. I don't think there will be > any noticeable change, or any problems we haven't already had. I know a > good way to find out, though. This is one of the flimsiest arguments I've heard regarding this issue. There's no evidence to support or refute *either* of our positions - because nothing has been tried yet! How can you refute my arguments with evidence that doesn't exist? My arguments are based upon the notion that Grex, given no changes, is too slow of a system *right now* to reliably handle the load that unregistered reading will place upon it. Oh wait - I forgot. Rane is *so adamant* about unregistered reading at all costs, he doesn't seem to care about the consequences - who decides to leave for what reason, or now, apparently, on how slow the system gets as a result. What's the point of having more people accessing a system that proportionally fewer people will be successfully able to access?
forget about it rane. there's such a thing as a community, but I imagine someone like yo woldn't understand. --OK... NO more ad hominums and falimng. Nako, Rane, Jenna, shuttup! I mean it! This is ridiculous. We KNOW we don't understand each other. I understand Rane's position, but not his intolerance; Nako understnds the issue most people are having and has a seperate but related problem; Rane doesn't understand me or Nako (or maybe is accidentally lumping Nako in with others) So lets forgetit. Flame wars for mail, please.
btw, here is some edited email i received during the last regular
election cycle ... editing to preserve anonymity, i might add.
----clip
All I can say is, Grex isn't
close to what it was when I first logged on, in 94. It has
changed in many ways that I dislike, and the best way, I have
found, to show a disappreciation of something is to pull out
one's support of it.
[clip]
hoping that maybe I could somehow help get grex back closer
to where it had come from. [clip]
[clip] Fairly certain that the ones with a voice
at grex didn't want to head the way I had in mind, I did the best
I could do- I left Grex to its' own devices. If they were right,
I figured that Grex would prosper fine without my support, and if
they were wrong.. well, they couldn't say I hadn;t tried to steer
them away from it.
I wish you well, TS. With any luck,
you won't have happen to you, what happened to me.
[clip] <<of a hard, by-name slam>>
Perhaps it is cruel of me to enjoy that last
part, but you know, I cannot apologize for it. It just went to
show that while Grex didn't want my ideas, they didn't want his
either, which were typically on the opposite end from mine.
but I
guess I did log in not too long ago. Whatever. There is of course
one last reason I don't wish to support Grex- it allows [clip]
access to its' policy-deciding conference. I'd rather not put my
money into a place where he has a voice, thank you.
Good day, tsty.
---clip
huh?
Sounds like whoever-it-was is withdrawing support because we don't censor people that he or she doesn't like.
well, that's just the last one, right? *is confused about the format of that*
I don't know that it's all that appropriate to post such mail. There is no evidence to suggest that the original author of this text wanted this material made public, and there are enough lacunae in the text as presented that it is doubtful that our interpretation of the text is or could be at all close to the original author's intentions. One thing is clear: the original author of this text is unavailable to be part of this discussion.
In regard to some comments above that I don't understand what others have been saying: they have expressed themselves clearly enough, and I do understand. I just diagree. In my opinion - Grex is much faster now thanit had been for a while with some slower hardware and less efficient software. I don't find any serious or access problems now (though we can always wish for a faster system). Therefore, I don't agree with the criticisms of current operation. All the speculation (mine included) about the change making the system slower - or not change it - is really beside the point. The system would have been fastest if the public had never been admitted. "Reasonable' behavior is, of course, desirable. We can find out what affect the change will have on response by implementing the change. If a majority don't like it, we can de-implement it.
Our original plan had been to upgrade Grex to a 4/460 system. This would have been a very quick process (replace some cards, no software changes) but it would have given a much smaller speed increase than the 4/670. When we found such good deals on the 4/670, we decided to skip a step. This will cost us much less money in the long run, but it means we have to stay on the old system a bit longer to get a much bigger speed increase. Doing less frequent upgrades with bigger improvements means performance is less consistant, but it also allows us to move to faster machines sooner than we otherwise would have. CPU-wise, we are currently going to be a bit squeezed until the upgrade, but I still think it was the best path for Grex.
>>re #356 ... i did have some negative thoughts about posting email in toto. i took out the personal stuff and didn't identify the author, you notice. it's the content that i considered worth the entry. i've had the original around for quite a while, and since it the content relates to this discussion, and since anonymity can be maintained, and since it was a related thought on topic (by someone else), i posted it. if the original author should choose to say something, ok. if not, the thoughts stand as they are.
So..update time...whats the early reviews of unregistered reading? Has it been a success? A failure? Has anyone used that feature at all? Or has the world ended as some suggested?
Yes. Depending on your point of view, of course.
I'd be interested in seeing statistics on the amount of anonymous reading, and in fact the level of usage of backtalk in general. I assume that kind of information can be extracted from the server logs.
The world ended for me, and I feel fine. >8)
Rob, welcome back!
It's the end of the world as we know it, It's teh end of the world as we know it, It's the end of the world as we know it, and robh feels fine...
The server logs are indeed extracted every week, and you can find a pointer to them on our home page. You can look at the counts on backtalk hits. The ones with /pw/ in the URL are named. The ones without /pw/ are anonymous.
yeah but what are the percentages...I dont think the raw numbers are nbecessary.
You have several choices: