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Okay here's an idea. It has occurred to me that Grex does not have a television conference. So I herewith and hereby and heretofore propose: The TV-Land conference (named after a particularly cool new cable channel) Your basic conference for discussing tv shows-- past present and future. There are a million confs like this on usenet, where you see running items on individual shows and .etc (alt.tv.leaveittobeaver) I think TV-Land would be a popular conference because who doesnt watch tv, its part of all our lives. And its the sort of conference that would be an easy sell to new users. A lot of new users might come to grex if links to grex's "tvland" conf were put in occasional "alt.tv" posts and .etc People rarely obsess about anything these days more than their favorite tv shows. Grex needs a place where one can discuss the truly important things...like whether Arnold the Pig on 'Green Acres' was a communist sympathizer, or who was the best Darrin on 'Bewitched' The TV-Land conference. I think it has possibilities. As long as there arent too many "Beavis and Butthead" items that is...I hate "Beavis and Butthead"
Sounds like a good idea to me.
And bruin makes three.
*I* don't watch TV; this sounds like a good conference to skip! <g>
gee gracel, and I thought you'd be a good co-fw too hehe...oh well... btw, any true tv junkie out there who wants to be co-fw?
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Somehow, I had always thought there was one that I was missing. If there isn't, then its definitely a good idea.
I watch the new a couple time a month, but mainly... Sounds like it'd be a popular conf, though. :)
(I don't watch TV either, with the exception of Michigan Football Games (tm) that I'm not at.) Oops! Mea culpa. I meant to enter this item when I changed over co-op and completely forget. <sigh>
I never watch tv, but I would still read a conference about it. (It's like how I don't write poetry, but I still regularly read the conf.) Good Idea!
So let's hurry it up, the new TV season is almost upon us.
As long as i get to enter the "Kill your television item" (I'm serious), I will support the creation of this conference.
Too late, it's already there
But there won't be anything to prevent raven from entering his item.
Which I did in fact do.
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Valerie said to write in here as the proper format for suggesting a fix-it
column (suggestions for a better name welcome). I thought it might go under
environment (fixing things rather than filling the dump), she suggested
dwellings (but that would not include small appliances and miscellaneous
gadgets) or consumer. Maybe both consumer and environment and even
hippie? Reduce, reuse, repair. The idea is, people who want to fix
or improve their houses, large or small appliances, stereo and other
electronic equipment, assorted gadgets, vehicles including bicycles, or
even to repair or make clothing or furniture or baskets or canoes, or
whatever, would write in asking for advice, and hopefully receive helpful
suggestions. For instance, another Grexer kindly brought over
two dead fax machines, and perhaps someone out there could tell us what
usually goes wrong with a Brother power supply.
My roommate has fixed things by telephone (furnace wiring, and a
cat-locked-into-a-room) and would love to share experience with anything
mechanical or electrical. We are also building a house and can give
advice on insulation and weatherstripping. In return, I could ask for
help with making pants that fit, etc.
Perhaps this would not all go under fix-it. Is there a more
encompassing name for such an advice conference, or should we keep
this to strictly repairs and not making new things? Do It Yourself?
People could also write in listing what skills they have to offer,
and you would have the choice of writing them directly, or writing in to
the conference if you want suggestions from several sources. I, for
instance, have experience making soap and can read Albanian. This could
be a different conference. There was something called the Skills Exchange
going in the early eighties for a few years, where people signed up to
trade hours of work doing what they did best. I don't know how well this
would work as a conference. In the real-life Skills Exchange, everyone
wanted someone to do their cleaning. I am afraid in this case everyone
might want someone to help with their software problems.
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I'd read such a cf. Sounds neat. :) ( I like "Do it Yourself" as a title)
if nobody objects to a do it yourself conference, what do I do to start it? Am I supposed to describe the purpose of it somewhere?
You've really done what you need to do to start it: requested it in this item. We now wait a little while for anyone who thinks it's a really dumb idea to say so ... actually, to give people a chance to say things like "that's already covered in the XYZ conference" and for you to reply "Oh, I never realized there was an XYZ conf so I withdraw my request". I don't think anyone's really likely to object in this case. If cfadm doesn't tell you in a few more days that it's been created, you bug cfadm in email or scream really loud here, but that's not usually necessary. If you don't want to FW it yourself, or all by yourself, you should be scrounging for someone else, but from what you said I imagine you're fine starting out all by yourself at least. Note that our policy has always been to create conferences freely; others may object, but the objections only make a difference if they convince *you*. (In some cases there have been objections which, on discussion, have led to changes in the conception of the conference. Look in the ghosts of coops past for examples.) You should be thinking of a capsule summary, suitable for the listing you get by entering "help conf". You should be busy designing the screens that come up when people join & leave the conference, and (if you want) a "bulletin" screen that they'll see only the first time (or if you change it). But there's no reason those have to be anything fancy unless *you* want to. Oh, and you might consider any existing items in existing conferences which might be good ones to link into your conference. The only other thing I can think of is to see if you can locate the list of special FW commands Valerie put together a long time ago - try item 26 in the info conference, maybe?
Oh, & I'd read such a conference, too.
Once your conf is created, you may want to design its appearance in backtalk, too.
How would this differ from the "hardware" cf?
There would be lots of overlap with hardware, dwelling, laundry, radio, health...and probably some more that don't come to mind. But I don't mind. I would always use the more specific .cf, or ask to have a link to it, if appropriate.
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A lot of strange things get covered in "hardware", not just computers.
I will go look at hardware and try, from all the information given above, to understand what is involved in starting a conference. What is a fair witness? Valerie is right, there are a lot of repair problems in Dwelling. I will wait a few days and then try to write something up and get more help. Do we want to include people in items to be repaired? If so, does this include both physical health and broken hearts? I would suggest only inanimate objects. Thank you all for all the information, I will probably need lots of help as I have only been using the bbs for a couple of weeks.
I looked at the beginning of hardware, and it seems to be limited to computers. Perhaps computers should not be included in a repairs conference since they have their own? Do It Yourself could include making things, repairing things, and offering to share advice in areas in which you are skilled. It fits alphabetically between consumer and dwelling in the consumer related section and could be linked (however you do that) to laundry, radio, dwelling, computer hardware, environment, and whatever else seems appropriate. Health seems to have enough of its own space. Nobody appears to be writing in much to the health conference unless their health needs repairs. My roommate fixes bikes, which could also be linked. Is there a clothing conference? Clothes also need fixing. Today someone asked if we could fix cats - I suggest that this not be included here. Or fixing meals.
I'd hope you won't automatically exclude computers, but do some browsing in the hardware cf & link pretty selectively. You don't link *conferences*, you link *items*. Initially the item was entered in some one conference. A FW in another conference can link that item into that conference. It's then equally in both conferences, with all its responses. If it's killed in one (either) at some later point, it will still exist in the other. (Since the underlying Unix mechanism allows you to tell that a file has multiple links but not (easily) what they are, Picospan can (& does) tell you that the item is linked, but not what other conferences it's in.)
Isn't all of this covered in the ING conference? ;-)
I will look at the ING conference to see. What is a fair witness and where do I find a volunteer?
At thi simplest, a fairwitness is a caretaker, although FWs do tend to try to stimulate conversation by entering or linking items from other areas. A FW has some functions not available to regular items, such as being able to kill any items in the conf (not just their own items), link items, set the enter/exit screens.
The ING conference appears to be mainly sports and recreation, not actually making or fixing anything. So far, I have only run across repairs for housing and computers. Where does one write in with a broken vacuum cleaner or chair or washing machine or answering machine? Or to offer to help with building a canoe or birdhouse?
Where do I find someone to be a fair witness? I obviously am not qualified if I can't tell a conference from an item. It should probably be someone with some repair skills as well as conference skills.
Nah, you can learn as you go. FW is *not* a techie role. (I'm not sure of the history of the ING conference, but it serves as a place to discuss things that "end in ing". I found it FW-less a year or two ago, and declared myself FW) A DIY conf would be cool.
Sounds cool. I'd add it to my cflist. As to the FW thing, that list of commands from coop 26 or where ever should be enough to figure out what you need to know. This is a neat idea. (Hardware seems to be for things electronic or maybe electric. Subtle difference from computers.
A DIY conference does sound interesting. I want to do a DIY air to air heat exchanger.
Scott, I just asked you (under storm windows) to be a fair witness. Klaus, same request to you. I don't think a new member should be doing this alone. There would definitely be a lot of overlap with dwellings and hardware. But I suppose I could figure out eventually what to do in writing up something (how do I draw a wrench?) and how to link items. Somewhere we have plans for a heat exchanger, but we are planning to use a central dehumidifier and air cleaner instead, which conserves a lot more heat.
I suggest that computer hardware not be included in this conference. Please vote on whether home building and repairs should be included, as Dwellings seems to be mostly about this, and most of the Dwellings items would be linked to Do It Yourself. If we omit computers and houses, should we include large appliances other than furnaces and water heaters, these being stoves, refrigerators, washing machines, and the like, or just small appliances like vacuum cleaners, waffle irons, hair curling devices, lamps, power tools, space heaters, fans, and other more portable things like furniture, clothing, vehicles, audio and video equipment, and office equipment other than computers? (Or is there still any office equipment not considered a form of computer hardware?) Is there some other conference for auto repair? If there is, I suggest not including cars in this one. Anything else that could be omitted, or would people like everything included, even computers?
I'd be happy to be co-fw. However, I'd most likely link very little to start with, just to see if the new conf develops its own set of items w/o help.
Thanks Scott, and please give me your opinion on whether to include home building and repair, and computer hardware, which seem to have their own spots, and auto repair. This weekend I will try to write something up, and do I post it here for suggested changes?
Actually leave as simple as you can, since then it can evolve instead of being defined too closely. Just "DIY" and see what happens. Traditionally, the first item sets the mood, then people just enter items as they have questions or projects.
But will that leave any topics for Dwelling? Or will everything in Dwelling be linked to DIY? I may note in the introduction that these conferences also cover building and repairs.
Sure. People who are thinking in terms of homes will look in dwellings. People who are thinking in terms of fix-it will look in DIY. I agree with Scott. Let it run for a while and see what comes up.
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In all honesty, I don't seeing what my being a fw would help? At this point I am trying my best to stay away from more responsibility. I would rather be entering my thoughts in the DIY conference than trying to decide if this item belongs it it or not, etc. I don't see how adding me as a fair whitness would improve the quality of the conference in any way. I also feel that keesan has all she needs to be a fw. It does not take a lick of technical know-how to be a fw. (At least not the way I define technical ;-) I am also pretty neutral about creating a DIY conference. We have a lot of related conferences on this system that see very little input. Part of me would like to also see a reclamation process where dead conferences are rolled into a related conference and the dead one killed. Perhaps old, outdated, inactive items should also be archived so that a new user isn't presented with a list of topics, several pages long, where the latest response for 50% of them was five years ago and has no informative content.
I'd look in on the DYI conference. I'm not very handy, but I might learn something. ;)
Klaus, I certainly did not intend to pressure you into being a fair witness, I was just asking for volunteers and already got one. (Thanks, Scott). The reason I was suggesting this conference is that I cannot figure out where to write in with questions about repair topics which do not have to do with houses or computers. For instance piano tuning does not seem to fit in a discussion of music, classical or otherwise. May I, in the introduction, list a number of possible discussion topics which would not exclude others? I was thinking of a list like: tools, appliances (from lamps to refrigerators), vehicles (bikes, wheelchairs, canoes), gadgets, home entertainment, telephones, furniture, toys, clothing. Topics would relate not to the purchase or use of these things but to making, maintaining, modifying or repairing them. I could also suggest looking in dwellings, (computer) hardware, laundry, radio, transportation, etc. for related topics. How many lines long should an introduction be?
Scott, could you write up the introduction to this conference? Something including making, maintaining, and repairing of inanimate objects? Or use your own judgment, you are more familiar with the bbs. I am still trying to learn to use the Pico editor. Thanks to all for suggestions, and please write in with problems and fixes for them.
The consumer conference might be a very good place for the kinds of things keesan wants to talk about.
There are some things that won't fit in the consumer conference, which seems to be more about acquiring things than keeping them working. But I guess this is still under discussion.
*grin* Maybe this should be the ANTI-consumer conference, eh? BTW whoever sets up this conference, could we have both DIY and Do It Yourself as the conf names?
I was going to make the very same suggestion, having discovered that it does not matter whether I spell co-op or coop, dwelling or dwellings. I count eight people interested in such a conference, and four who suggest that there might be a lot of overlap with other conferences (hardware, ing, consumer, and Valerie also suggested dwelling, laundry and radio). Can we try a DIY conference and if there is insufficient interest or too many linked items, delete (or remove or kill or whatever) it? Should it be listed directly after Consumer (which would give it that Anti-Consumer touch) and before Dwelling, or as a Hobby? Scott, let me know if you are willing to do whatever else is required. I have not had much luck drawing a wrench with X's.
Count me # 9.
No, keesan, I did not get the feeling you were pressuring me. I just wanted to explain my position.
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Count me #10 (this should confuse her even more).
in #56 cindy counts 8 people interested in such a conference.
(A specific number of interested parties is not required
to start a conference, in any case.)
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Thinking it over, and considering that people are now said to 'consume' even
services, such as 'mental health consumers', I like the idea of a heading such
as
Do It Yourself
The Anti-Consumer Conference
Are we supposed to have a picture, and if so, any ideas and can someone
volunteer to draw it?
"anti-consumer"? Seems more to be "smart-consumer".
I think the idea was that instead of purchasing goods or services, you would do it yourself. A good consumer purchases things and throws them out, rather than keeping them going or making them. Anyway, that was someone else's suggestion (I can't recall whose, is there some easy way to back up?) and maybe they want to explain it.
Maybe 'non-consumer' instead? Do It Yourself, the conference for non-consumers?
Anti-consumer was Colleen's idea.
So are we almost ready to make this? Maybe I should set it all up and let the FW's start their work? I'm temped to make it since I like the idea.
A *good* consumer consumes carefully and wisely, recycles, and fixes things. All humans are consumers, but how one does it makes a difference. I certainly put myself into the diy category but also try to be a smart consumer.
I think it depends on who you ask - an economist might say that a good consumer is someone who buys a lot of stuff. But I'm with you, Rane. Maybe we could say "responsible consumer" or "efficient consumer"?
Re #69: This proposal has had substantially more discussion
than is normally required before creating a conference, so
it's certainly legit to go ahead and create it, especially
if it's been decided who the fw's are going to be.
The policy has always been that if a proposer still wants
the conference after a few days of discussion here, and
at least one fw has materialized, then the conference is
created. Doesn't depend on whether a cfadm likes the idea
or not. So it's basically up to keesan at this point.
Go ahead. How about just the Do it Yourself Conference as a header, and we can stop arguing about what is a consumer. (If you cut your own hair, are you a consumer?). I will refrain from attempting to draw a do it yourselfer.
unless you made the tool with which you cut your hair, by hand and without using any other tools, yes, you *are* a consumer.
Humans are tool-using animals. Are hands tools?
What if you just borrowed the scissors from someone else? :)
Depends on whether you return them or not....
Sounds like an excellent topic for the philosophical
ramblings item in the new Do It Yourself conference. :)
I was going to suggest that very same thing. When do we start the conference?
Arbornet has a Fixit conference, defined as Home Fix-It for Do-It-Yourselfers. Someone linked a VCR repair question between Fixit and Advice. Otherwise Fixit was indeed home fix-it. Is there anything else that I should be doing before someone starts this conference, so we can talk about what a Do It Yourselfer is in the proper conference?
If you haven't already, check out item:info 26 for fw commands
Fairwitnesses hear this: It is so. :) Have at it with the startup stuff screens and such.
I looked for a conference on multiculturalism or ethnicity or even race relations, and did not find one. Is there one? Grexers are clearly not all from the same cultural group. I would be especially interested to learn about interethnic problems or concerns in Mexico, India, the Netherlands, etc, where the various groups have coexisted for far longer than in the US. And of course also about the relations between people of different ethnic or cultural groups in this country. Would someone from another country or one of the many non-majority ethnic/cultural groups in this country want to be FW? (Assuming of course that there is not already a conference that I missed).
Perhaps entering a few items in agora to gauge the level of interest in such a conference would be useful. While we have one person from the Netherlands and a few from India who participate, Im not sure we're really diverse enough to support a well-informed discussion, especially from the minority cultures in those countries.
Isn't everyone in India from a 'minority culture', considering the number of ethnic groups there? Is anyone in this country interested? Are most grexers of European ancestry?
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Will do. Thanks both of you.
I like the idea, too. But also whether we have the diversity here in the conferences to support a conference.
(An advance demonstration of interest has not been necessary in the past for starting a conference.)
I would be very interested in a conference that discussed different cultures. I think it could help be a draw to conferences for some of our people who log in from around the world.
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Please see the test item in Agora on intercultural relations, as of yesterday there had not been too much interest. Anybody interested, please respond to that item (95?). Raven, have you experience as a FW? My one and only conference (DIY) seems to be doing fine without me, I suppose I could FW another but I still want an experienced helper or two. I feel a lot more qualified on this subject than DIY, as I lived in two parts of former Yugoslavia for a few years and, as a neutral outsider, met people from possibly every ethnic group there, all of whom had odd stereotypes about the others. My other question in the agora item was whether to include genetic groups other than ethnic, such as tall or short people, and whether to include age minorities.
My attempt to start an agora item on cultural differences has quickly turned into a discussion of blood typing and DNA fingerprinting. If anyone really wants a conference on ethnic, racial, or even social groups, speak now.
The test item on cultural differences rapidly turned into issues of race and DNA fingerprinting. My next suggestion is, instead, a conference on genetics. I have found genetic issues in agora (human cloning), health (transgenic rapeseed, cancer), femme (colorblindness, depression), and nature (cloning again, birth of agriculture, gene for emphysema). This is a very rapidly growing field that affects many areas of life. There are genetically-related diseases and disabilities (cancer, some of it due to loss of the ozone layer and freon, AIDS, manic depression), human variation (races, heights and weights, there is a gene for sexual orientation), agriculture (plant and animal breeding, transgenic industrial and commercial plants, cloning), law (DNA fingerprinting, and blood typing), ethics (cruelty free testing of cosmetics, use of chimps in AIDS research), biodiversity and habitat preservation, genetic effects of electromagnetic radiation (ELFs) and common chemicals, in vitro fertilization and surrogate motherhood (genetically different birth and legal parents)... Any interest?
I'm inclined to think these arise not so much because of an interest in genetics as an interest in medicine, health, behavior, nature, science, law, ethics, environment, etc. Users would not be likely to go to a genetics conference to discuss what really interests them. However such a conference could be created as an archive of items related by having a genetics thread. It could be useful for persons looking for genetics information. Are any other cfs used this way?
Yup. And I bet you'd get a lot of takers if you announced it in all those conferences you mentioned.
Rane slipped in. I know I'd be interested in a genetics conference where i don't participate in any of those other conferences.
re #96. I announced it in agora and I think it was health, and got Rane. I will take your suggestion and put in a few more announcements. The science conference seems to be mostly applied physics, as in Popular Science.
So why couldnt the science conference be augmented with genetics items?
No reason it couldn't. But I'd still be interested in a more specific conference if it formed. (Less stuff I don't care about to sort through, y'know. ;)
Incidently, I'd like to offer the Hippie Conference, which has been comtatose for most of the last several years, either to a new FW or to be archived and deleted.
Funny, I'm still getting stuff new in that conference every month or so.
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Misti, if you are really interested in a genetics conference, and if you are planning to give up the Hippie conference as FW, would you be a FW in a new conference? I have no experience as a FW except for the login of DIY. Does it make any sense to start a conference then cancel if no interest?
You don't need any experience as a FW before you get experience. There is a list of commands FWs can use to link items from other cfs, and that is the main thing you do. Soem FWs try to stimulate activity in their cfs, but when one sees how many cfs get along fine with FWs that no longer participate, one realizes there are no especially challenging tasks. Why don't you take it on, and learn?
Rane, does this mean you would visit a genetics conference if I were FW?
Probably...I would need to watch that you don't start promoting Lysenkoism... ;->
Well, I just wanted to know if I should present both sides of a question or just one, and let you handle the other side. Since there seems to be no interest in this conference, I will wait until an interesting issue comes up (say in one of my translations) and post it somewhere else.
keesan, sure I'd be willing to co-FW with you. Though Ran is right. There are no especial challenges to it. I can happily answer any questions you might have, though. Grex's policy has always been to start any conference that is requested and let the users vote with their participation -- so sure, it makes sense to start the conference, advertise it, and see what develops. Colleen, you're still getting stuff? I'll have to go see if I "forgot" certain items a long time ago or something. I'm glad there are signs of life there. Wann be a fair witness? ;)
Keesan, fws dont present "sides" of a question. Theirs is more of a facilitator role of making sure that problems that arise are handled in a mature, community-focused fashion. Your job has more to do with managing the computer stuff like linking items than to present a point of view. Take a look at the fw commands to see what I mean.
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How about a human diversity conference, including cultural and genetic diversity, called 'diversity'? I'll see where Agora 94 drifts to next. re #110, I was teasing Rane, who always seems to take the opposite side in any science-oriented discussion. I can always count on him to find something on the internet which disagrees with what I found there. I did read the fw commands, after I sort of volunteered myself into being Fw for DIY, but there has been no need to link anything there, it is always busy there.
No, no... you take the opposite side. :)
I have been entering diversity-related items in Agora and they all seem to be of general interest. #94 (intercultural relations) is still going strong, and has covered culture, race, genetic resistance to disease, evolution, and now social classes. Talking to strangers was about nature vs nurter (genetics vs environment) in determining personality. Career choices is about what makes people prefer different sorts of work. Formality is about hierarchies and social rank. I have a few other diversity-related topics in mind, such as different styles of organization, pet personalities. These all seem appropriate to agora, should I also bother linking them to a separate conference?
Why yes, link them to the diversity conference.
Right. On at least two grounds. First, and in general, it's easier to *find* things of interest if they're in a conference devoted to that topic. Second, and in particular, later this month this Agora is due to become the *old* agora, & discussion is likely to die an early death.
Is anyone else going to comment before the spring equinox? And does this mean our dowsing discussion ends or does it get carried over. We are still going back to refer to old responses. How about Diversity - Differences within and between groups? I just remembered Dowsing is linked to Paranormal, no problem.
Nobody in agora seems to care either way whether there is a Diversity conference, so can we try it for a while (quick before Agora moves somewhere else and I have to find it to link a few items). Diversity - Differences between and within groups of living creatures The login id would mention things like race, ethnicity, religion, social class, rank, anthropology, sociology, genetics, nature vs nurture. Misti was willing to be co FW, is that still okay with Misti? Any better ideas for a description for help conf? I have lots more ideas, including asking people how they feel they and their partner are complementary in personality and ability. (Will wait for the next agora. And I also wondered just what happens when a new agora starts to the old items still being discussed. Do they get copied over in entirety, or restarted? Would it be possible to retain items that have had responses in the final week of the old agora?) Rane explained in Agora 26 how to avoid having to read items linked from agora which are marked new in the conference to which they are linked, you just type seen at the ok prompt, thanks Rane.
The *whole* previous agora will be saved as oldagora. You can join oldagora just like any other cf - and you can continue to respond in it, for that matter. I just keep both "agora" and "oldagora" in my .cflist. Quite of bit of activity continues in oldagora. Some more recent items are linked from oldagora to agora, by the usual procedure (you have to ask the agora fw, of course). No items are automatically linked from oldagora to agora.
Keesan, I'm on a borrowed computer tonight because my darling son killed mine. I'm willing to be co-FW, but unless you want to call me I might not be much help for the first while...
May we offer you a free PC clone? Or help with resuscitation? I was wondering where you had gotten to. Good luck.
What weapon did he use, Misti?
I think he told me he used an ethernet card.
Am I supposed to wave a magic wand now to create a conference, or is that the responsibility of staff (after they finish the magic of installing the 670?) (I have not looked yet to see if it exists, did I speak too soon?)
It does not exist, at least not under life roles (between disability and femme).
A conference administrator (cfadm) person has to create the conference and install fairwitnesses. I am such a person and will do so later today if nobody beats me to it. (I see no need to wait for the 670 switchover unless you'd rather.) From my reading, the conference is to be named "diversity" and have keesan and mta as fw's. Rather than continuing to discuss particulars of the setup here, send mail to 'cfadm' as to any other details.
Thanks, John, for setting it up. The conference is now open, with an introductory item and one linked item, and I am eagerly awaiting new ideas and members.
Could someone in cfadmin please put the necessary line in the conf listing for Diversity before I try too hard to recruit members? Diversity - Cultural and other differences among living beings John Remmers already set up the conference. And you should be able to access it by typing race or multicultural. Any other suggestions for ways to reach it?
The requested line in the 'help conferences' listing is now there, as are the 'race' and 'multicultural' aliases. (The latter is abbreviatable as 'mul'.) Didn't get done until today due to Grex downtime over the weekend.
Thanks John, I did not want to bother you personally if you were busy.
(In such a case - or in fact for *any* such conference-admin - email cfadmin. That will get to all the cfadms, and most likely at least one of them will be available. Certainly it should get their attention as quickly as posting.)
(Right. In fact, I so indicated back in #126.)
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Oops. Sorry, Valerie.
You have several choices: