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Putting it another way: I'm suggesting mechanisms that would allow users to fine-tune for themselves what they see and don't see in the conferences, based partly on the opinions of other users whom they trust. Basically, a more sophisticated filtering system than just "ignore" and "forget", that takes into account that different users will have different preferences.
re#90 Do what you like but if you do then remove the blue ribbon. Not that it matters much. It's just a symbol. m-net doesn't have a blue ribbon but it generally sticks to free speech due to jerryr's insistence on it. tod and I are his strongest supporters in that particular area. In fact, the only time I have seen the principle grossly violated was when the banned April Morrison aka "hera" from the system for nothing but posting ,what was in their opinion, bad content. I disagreed with the ban based on principle as did tod and jerryr. The line of reasoning that was used, if I recall correctly, was that hera's posts would have a negative impact on the influx of newusers. We are still waiting for this "influx". We get new users all the time but most don't dare tread on the bbs . Those that do will get flamed to tears if they don't have a thick skin. Ask veek, one flame from twinkie and he ran back here like a whipped puppy. The world isn't a perfect place where everyone behaves and gets along. There are total jerks. There are good people who get pissed and act like jerks. There are good people who use a bad attitude as the first layer in their self defense mechanism. If you can't handle a few insults that amount to nothing but a few pixels on a screen then get some counseling Aren't you the same bunch that screams bloody murder when christians want profanity and porn removed from movies and TV? You say "Hey, you don't have to watch it... turn the channel and stop legislating morality" Isn't a failure to maintain the free speech campaign because you don't like the content, to a certain extent,hypocrisy? free speech makes grex. If you have to tolerate those who abuse this freedom in order to keep it...so be it.
Give april time...soon this place will be run like a convent
I think you've got free speech issues confused with intentional acts of vandalism, lar. Entering the same exact string of words in every item and then coming back an hour later and doing the same thing again. And again. And again. In terms of content Grex has a pretty thick skin. But that said I'm not sure the totally open model works all that well anywhere anymore. It's a magnet for people with social issues.
Lar's version of mnet events is only half the story. Some of us simply felt that Hera did not keep up her end of a bargain she made with mnet many years ago.
So if she'd come back and entered great items that were popular she wouldn't have been blocked?
Actually, I think the agreement (which I was not around for) was basically to not act like the ass she had been when she originally left mnet. You'd have to ask someone who was around then for the details.
I was around. As best I can remember, she agreed not to come back, in exchange for a partial refund of her membership donation. After a couple of years, she came back anyway. The M-Net board noted that she was in violation of the agreement but took no action. This was, like, five years ago. In view of the fact that her renewed presence on M-Net was then tolerated for several years, citing the long-ago violation as justification for the recent banning strikes me as more of a pretext than anything else.
I don't, as I don't recall any time limit being involved. My understanding was the deal was she had to behave a certain way. The fact is she violated that agreement. Waiting to pull the plug on her was fully within the rights of m-net. I'm mean, she can't very well tell a cop "hey, I've been speeding for five years now, you can't give me a ticket!"
What I'm saying is that I don't think that her violation of the previous agreement had much to do with the fact that she was banned.
re#93 yeah, I guess spamming a board with multiple instances of the same post isn't exactly free speech. However, I didn't get banned for it ( I got a 24 hour time from casper once) twinkie didn't get banned for it. chamberl didn't get banned for it. The thing that got the ball rolling looking back on it... If I recall correctly was hera threatening to call tanis's employers about his totally alledged drug abuse. We all warned her about it and she didn't do anything. However, it did serve to escalate the long standing feud between her and tanis. An item voting on the ban was started by tanis and it quickly became the hottest topic I have ever seen on m-net. We had like 300 responses or something in 8 hours. The roots took note of the popularity of the item and the overwhelming response against hera and booted her. cyklone is right, someone did bring up the old refund issue but that was only an addendum to the item so remmers is correct. The final decision was made by a root and not by the B.O.D. My argument was that a root should intervene in a fully paid member's activities only if technical abuse is being done by the member. Let's face it cyklone..we banned hera for content.
I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that. While I don't know the terms of the old agreement, I'm fairly certain she agreed to restrictions on what and how she posted.
Folks, this conversation does not belong in Grex's governance conference. Please move it elsewhere.
I was starting to wonder why Grex was discussing M-Net's policies in Grex's coop. I'm doubtful that most of Arbornet's Board participates in this conference, so I don't think much is going to get decided here.
Whatever, The issue came up as a basis to compare grex's moderated conf. proposal with current m-net practices as relating to free speech and NOT as a discussion that would effect m-net policy. Didn't mean to slay your sacred "don't discuss m-net in coop" cow
I agree with Larry. The conversation is very relevant.
Starting with post 92, this topic has had nothing to do with Moderated Conferences on Grex. Please stay on topic.
In any case a grex already has somewhat of a moderated forum, does it not? Take coop for example. The FW has cracked the whip. For the record I want to know why #92 is considered off topic? It's off the cuff humor but it makes a relevant prediction. In a nutshell, tod is predicting that a discussion of moderated conferences will soon be a non-issue as agora will probably be strictly moderated out of necessity.
There is a difference between a conference being moderated with technology and one where a FW simply redirects the conversation. The big problem is that around here, the latter takes a LOT of work and isnt always effective anyways.
"the latter takes a LOT of work and isnt always effective anyways." Especially when the opinion about a particular post (such as #92) being off topic is doubtful to say the least. tod does often post off topic but that doesn't mean every time he posts it should be considered so.
I detect some misunderstanding of my suggestion in resp:90 as it wouldn't limit what people can say or where they can say it, nor would it involve moving or removing anything that's been posted, but then I haven't thought it 100% of the way through myself and in any case it would be a major project to implement so I doubt it'll happen anytime soon, so don't worry about it. :) (But I'll try to expand on it if there's interest.) In the meantime - Drift tends to happen when there's a lull and nobody's injecting new ideas or viewpoints into a discussion. If the Board is actually thinking of anything by way of conference moderation, I'm sure they'll bring it up in Coop for discussion first, and that will put discussion back on track.
this dead horse has been beat for years by you guys. nothing ever happens :forget
AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! I only scanned over this, but it's hilarious that all of your cowards are talking behind my back! hahahaha!!! Especially cyklown!!! I knew he was reading every word I write on here. This is rich. NOT TO MENTION that way back in May, up there in response #2, someone was complaining that agora was going downhill and it didn't have anything to do with ME. You're all such a bunch of whiny cowards. Except lar. I have respect for lar. I also respect those who don't join in the lynching party and hera bashfest. hahahah! Cyklown, what a jerk you are. Oh, and there's keesan talking about ME too! Oooh, I thought she was FILTERING! What a fucking lying cunt. SEE? I am TOO a great judge of character. I can spot a fucking lying cunt a mile away. ;)
re #96: AHAHA! WRONG! Cyklown is totally fucking wrong. He doesn't know anything about any "agreement" which, in fact, there was none. Stupid asshole. Listen to the stupid asshole, if you want "facts" that aren't true. WHERE ARE YOUR CITES FOR THAT REMARK, cyklown? Yeah, I thought so.
#64.93 Mary Remmers (mary) Thu, Nov 22, 2007 (09:14): I think you've got free speech issues confused with intentional acts ... [[...xnip...]] But that said I'm not sure the totally open model works all that well anywhere anymore. It's a magnet for people with social issues. #64.100 larry (lar) Sun, Nov 25, 2007 (16:07): re#93 yeah, I guess spamming ...... [[...xnip...]] Let's face it cyklone..we banned hera for content.
maybe a moderated newuser woeuld work .... see latere item.
Retard.
re #114: You're the one with a "social issue" you skanky cunt whore bitch. I don't see you contributing much of anything in the General conference.
lar;s 100 wnas slighterly off ... nort 'content' raterh, ;mal-content; mdoerated newsuer nad/or psoting resotrictions seemm the learst-worst chioce.
What the fuck did you say???? You retard.
Not that I read every post in this topic but as I read remmers#85 the following occured to me. What if... individual posts where rated - say, on a five star scale. Further if all posts were to default to five stars and as grexers read and rate the post would be rated to reflect the average. With some filter arrangement grexers could choose the low-end threshhold they would be willing to subjec themselves to. Of course those who "live" here would be subjected to everything whereas the more casual among us would be treated to a dialed down version, if so desired. Of course there would need to be a mechanism to limit rating to once per customer. I think a system whereby the users have a direct say in what we want to represent would help build community spirit. Further the public access portal (read anonymously) could be tuned to reveal 'threes or above' (or whatever.) That might intice folks to register and log-in to see 1.what passes for low grade and 2.perhaps enter their 'vote' on the topics they did view. What could possibly be more democratic than that? 2cents << madmike
...kinda' like cyklone was talking about in #55(?) I suppose...
Something like that is certainly possible....
Re resp:120 - Hmmm... I'm glad somebody is reviving this thread. In resp:85 and resp:88 I detailed my objections to such a rating system and proposed a more individualized alternative that would allow users to fine-tune their filtering to their own tastes. Just to remind y'all.
Thanks for the redirect remmers. I get what you're saying. Perhaps there could be several filtering "cliques". For example one could tune in using the administrators clique or the moderator clique, the newbie clique or the self admitted twit clique. Imagine the hoops that could be constructed to determine who may be admitted to a particular group. You could collect group labels as sort of merit badges. You might even allow for revoking of group membership based on fellow cliquee votes. 'Cyber-Survivor' as it where. For the record I think the MySpace model is okay for them but too restrictive for grex. I really dig that I can post to Coop. And I did not even have to pass a psyc test. ;-)
this is grex's most interesting conference.
i noticed that the groups stuff is (seems to be) un-updated. ???
Which groups?
well, i thought i'd be int eh verified group, for one example. don;t wanna get a buncha ppl too upset.
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Dave! Missed you 'round here. And at the Lighthouse.
There seems to be something in FrontTalk where a character sequence which I expect to result in a cancelled posting instead causes a blank posting to happen. Not sure what that sequence is. But it probably involves a CTRL-C.
Hmm; that's weird...
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