Grex Classicalmusic Conference

Item 10: Opera discussion

Entered by krj on Mon Feb 10 21:56:18 1997:

129 new of 221 responses total.


#93 of 221 by krj on Wed Sep 16 05:11:50 1998:

I've heard this.  I did an alta vista search  +rossini +duet +cats
and found that the Italian title is "Duetto Buffo di Due Gatti."
Most translations into English read "Comic Duet for Two Cats," though 
I did find one source calling it "Duet for Two Cats".  
I realize there is a bit of redundancy there...


#94 of 221 by mcnally on Wed Sep 16 05:47:03 1998:

  Not really.  Of course a duet implies two participants but it's not
  at all clear that they need both be cats..


#95 of 221 by remmers on Wed Sep 16 14:47:42 1998:

"Comic Duet for Cats" would be less redundant. Of course, the Italian
original contains the redundancy.


#96 of 221 by rcurl on Wed Sep 16 16:44:52 1998:

Seems to me its a Trio for Voice Duet and Piano. In any case - meow us
a few bars.


#97 of 221 by keesan on Wed Sep 16 20:39:34 1998:

Should I provide the common English name, or an exact translation of the
Serbian, which read duet of the cats?  It is probably a moot point by now,
as I sent the translation in yesterday evening.  What did the duet sound like,
anyway?


#98 of 221 by krj on Wed Sep 16 21:11:59 1998:

I guess exactly what form you use is up to you.  "Duet of the Cats" 
is going to be instantly recognizable.  The two singers are mimicing
cats, if I remember correctly.  I've just heard the piece done 
once at a concert, I don't have a recording of it but there seem to be 
plenty out there.


#99 of 221 by davel on Thu Sep 17 11:12:54 1998:

I've heard it done a few times.  The first time, the two sopranos sported
ears, tails, and (cat-style) whiskers, and emoted heavily.  It sounded just
as good and was a lot of fun.  (This was in a church talent show.).

Agreed that "Duet of the Cats" is quite an adequate translation, IMO.

Actually, I think we (recently) acquired the sheet music.

And Rane, it's a duet, accompanied.  A solo accompanied by piano is not a duet
for voice (or flute, trumpet, or what have you), it's an accompanied solo;
the same goes for this.  It's not a trio.


#100 of 221 by rcurl on Thu Sep 17 15:33:04 1998:

I agree that is usually the case. But I am sure there are works in which
the piano is 'equal' to the instruments it is playing with, and is not
just "accompaniment". I can't name one at the moment, but I do doubt that
there are any with voice, though I don't know why there can't be.


#101 of 221 by gracel on Thu Sep 17 15:43:28 1998:

We have the sheet music, with title in Italian and German but not English.
"Duetto Buffo di Due Gatti (Buffo-Duett Zweier Katzen) per due voci e
pianoforte" with parts for "Primo Gatto" and "Secondo Gatto".   The words
are all "Miau" except where they're "miau-au-au-au".

FWIW, when we saw it done the performers were both sopranos; the second cat
part goes down to the A below middle C, so I might have some trouble with it
myself.


#102 of 221 by coyote on Sat Sep 19 17:55:16 1998:

Re 100:
        There are many, many pieces like that.  Piano trios aren't called piano
trios because the piano plays the accompaniment.  What oftentimes happens in
trios (at least the ones I've followed, which are all for violin, cello, and
piano) is that there are sections where the piano accompanies the violin
and/or cello playing a melody and there are sections where the violin and/or
cello accompanies the piano playing the melody, and there are also some
sections where there's a unison melody or perhaps even counterpoint.


#103 of 221 by faile on Mon Oct 26 05:56:02 1998:

random note on my part... really great English operas are those of 
Purcell... they're kind of neat.


#104 of 221 by krj on Thu Oct 29 19:43:55 1998:

I'm trying to remember if DIDO & AENEAS is a Purcell opera; we saw that 
in London, at the Royal Albert Hall, of all places; an odd opera 
venue, especially since we ended up seated behind the orchestra.
 
-----
 
I am way behind on my casual reviews.  It was about a month ago that 
we saw Opera Lenawee's double bill of PAGLIACCI and GIANNI SCHICCI.
PAGLIACCI I found somewhat disappointing, both in the score 
and the acting; the villain who motivates the killings was particularly 
wooden.  GIANNI SCHICCI, in contrast, was a delight, a reminder of why 
Puccini stood so far above his contemporaries.
The singer acting Gianni Schicci had a great sense of comic timing.
The big aria from this opera is sung by Schicci's daughter, who 
otherwise spends almost all her time being shoved offstage.
 
-----
 
Upcoming opera in Ann Arbor:  UM School of Music presents 
Verdi's LA TRAVIATA, at Power Center, November 12-15 1998.
http://www.music.umich.edu  but the web page won't tell you 
much more detail than I have just given you.


#105 of 221 by mcnally on Fri Oct 30 03:54:39 1998:

  Opera Grand Rapids is doing Verdi's "A Masked Ball" this weekend.
  I don't really have time to go, but I've already got tickets, so
  I suppose I will..


#106 of 221 by faile on Sat Oct 31 18:07:34 1998:

"Dido and Aneas" (or however you spell it.)  is Purcell.


#107 of 221 by mcnally on Sun Nov 1 06:49:18 1998:

  #104's spelling of "Aeneas" is correct.

  Opera Grand Rapids' production of "A Masked Ball" was OK but not
  thrilling which was, I think, partly this production and partly
  the opera itself.  I found the music surprisingly forgettable
  compared to other Verdi opera.


#108 of 221 by krj on Sat Nov 14 04:32:45 1998:

I still need to write something about MOT's TURANDOT, but we'll 
skip ahead to tonight's LA TRAVIATA, from the UM School of Music.
The show runs through Sunday.  I enjoyed the Violetta in our cast, 
Jennifer Larsen, quite a bit.   There was an interesting dance 
piece during the overture, which explains that rather incomprehensible
drawing on the advertising poster for this production. 
 
We had front row seats, just a few feet away from the violins, so 
the orchestral sound was almost like wearing headphones, and we could
glance over at the conductor any time we wanted.  I gather that most people
don't like such close seats, but we do -- they were available for us
to buy on Thursday.

Overall, an enjoyable evening.  


#109 of 221 by krj on Fri Jan 29 04:05:36 1999:

Two student opera productions are listed in the February "Observer."
 
Benjamin Britten's THE RAPE OF LUCRETIA, a chamber opera, performed 
at UM School of Music McIntosh Theatre, Thursday Feb 4 & Saturday Feb 6.
This is probably going to be a laboratory-style production
with minimal costuming and sets, is my guess.
 
Rossini, THE ITALIAN GIRL IN ALGIERS.  EMU's Pease Auditorium, 
Friday Feb 5 & Saturday Feb 6.  I've never seen an EMU production.


#110 of 221 by krj on Fri Feb 26 17:01:56 1999:

Last Sunday Leslie and I saw a touring production of Verdi's OTELLO.
The company was billed as the Italian National Opera, but it was just 
a patched-together roadshow.  The orchestra was from Hungary, and 
one of the singers was a Michigan native.
 
This was the sloppiest opera production I had seen in some time.
The singer who performed Otello seemed to be having some problems
with his high notes, and overall his tone had this warble to it which 
reminded me of opera singers on old 78 rpm records.  Leslie said it 
may have been deliberate use of an older, out-of-fashion style of 
singing.  Leslie said the Desdemona was really annoying, because if she 
hit the right note it was just a lucky accident.  The orchestra and 
chorus were good musically, but the chorus staging was awful 
-- they didn't act or move, they just stood there and sung.  
The only really good performer on stage was the Iago.  
He had a fine baritone and a commanding stage
presence.  Even though Iago is the bad guy, we were rooting for him.
 
But still, I had a wonderful time.  I had never seen Verdi's OTELLO
before.  It's a remarkably sturdy show, and even after taking all the 
abuse Sunday's production heaped upon it, the opera acquitted itself 
well.  Verdi turned to Shakespeare at the end of his life; 
after AIDA, he took 15 years off, then wrote his setting of OTHELLO.
And after about another decade (?) he wrote his final opera FALSTAFF,
based on THE MERRY WIVES OF WINDSOR.

I place the end of Verdi's career in a magical, brief period for 
Italian opera.  Wagner's ideas for a fully integrated music-drama 
had spread to Italy;  composers such as Verdi, and Puccini to come, 
were getting past the model of opera as hit song/recit/hit song.
So Wagner's ideas crossed with the glorious singing tradition of Italy:
still a few years in the future were the 20th century's impact on 
popular classical music, and the collapse of the financial world 
of Italian opera.  

OTELLO flows in a way that I just love, rather 
than stopping all the time for audience applause.  In the last act, 
Desdemona sings a prayer to the Virgin Mary; she knows that things 
have gone very bad in her relationship with.  Sello, and the aira
is full of foreboding.  It comes to a quiet end -- and the MSU audience 
did not clap.  Whew!  It was an emotional, impressive moment.


#111 of 221 by arabella on Sat Feb 27 07:10:21 1999:

Actually, I didn't say that the tenor was deliberately using an old
fashioned style of singing, but rather that he *sounded* old fashioned.
I believe that he has a faulty technique, with his larynx way high,
which accounts for both his tremolo (goaty warble) and for all the
cracking on high notes.

And with the soprano, it's not that she didn't know what notes to sing,
but rather that she sang so terribly off pitch that the occasional on-pitch
note seemed like an accident.

It really was a terrible production.  I'll have to ask in the classical
singer forum what people have heard about this organization.  But
I agree with Ken that the story and music are great, and it was worth
enduring two terrible singers to see my first Otello.


#112 of 221 by mcnally on Sat Feb 27 20:37:02 1999:

  Thursday I saw U of M's Comic Opera Guild's production of "Kismet"
  at the Lydia Mendelssohn Theater..  While I can't recommend the
  production enthusiastically I had a decent time -- I've always enjoyed
  the music from Kismet and I thought several of the cast members were
  pretty good, especially the lead (the poet/rhyme merchant..) It plays
  over the weekend (i.e. until 2/28/99) if anyone's interested in
  catching it.

  Tonight I'm going to go see Opera Grand Rapids' production of "Tales of
  Hoffman", about which I know very little..


#113 of 221 by krj on Thu Mar 18 19:40:09 1999:

Mike, I hope you'll get back to us with a review of "Tales of Hoffman."
 
Spring student opera productions:
Michigan State's production of Verdi's LA TRAVIATA opens tonight.
School of Music Auditorium in East Lansing.
 
University of Michigan's production of Mozart's THE MAGIC FLUTE
runs Thursday 3/25 through Sunday 3/28.  This is going to be sung 
in the English Translation by Andrew Porter, according to the 
postcard we got. 
 
We're seeing the TRAVIATA tonight.  UM's FLUTE is almost certainly
going to get squeezed off our schedule, as Leslie is busy with
a recital and a choral performance that week.


#114 of 221 by mcnally on Thu Mar 18 22:19:52 1999:

  "Tales of Hoffman" was surprisingly good.  The plot ties together
  three of Hoffman's short stories in a framework of lost love and 
  the poet's relationship with his muse.  The music was enjoyable and
  the performace itself was quite good, especially the vocal talent
  which was a step above the quality of last several Grand Rapids
  productions I've seen (particularly the female lead -- Kathy something.. 
  Baker?  I'll have to check the program)


#115 of 221 by krj on Fri Mar 19 20:37:53 1999:

No time to write a real review now, but Michigan State's production
of LA TRAVIATA came off quite well.  It is in the Auditorium -- the old 
monster Auditorium, not the Music Building Auditorium as I had written 
in resp:113.  The show plays again Saturday night and Sunday afternoon.
Time & location details at www.music.msu.edu, on the "music events"
link.  You can feel safe driving to East Lansing without tickets: there 
are literally thousands of unused seats.  But surprisingly the show 
holds together in the big old barn.


#116 of 221 by krj on Mon Mar 22 21:32:05 1999:

resp: 113 ::  The Sunday newspaper ad from the U.Michigan School of Music
reports that their production of MAGIC FLUTE is sold out.  They will 
be selling tickets to a dress rehearsal, which I believe will be Tuesday.


#117 of 221 by mcnally on Tue Mar 23 17:38:02 1999:

  Hmmm..  Can't figure that one out -- I didn't like "The Magic Flute"
  much at all, in fact it's probably my least favorite of the ones that
  I've seen performed (though Opera Grand Rapids don't stick their necks
  out and risk an unpopular or obscure work very often..) 

  Anyway, as far as "The Magic Flute" is concerned I didn't care for much
  of the music and I got a bit tired of all of the masonic symbolism.
  I've always thought it was a particularly weird choice to be picked as
  an introductory opera for kids, which is how it sometimes seems to be
  promoted.


#118 of 221 by krj on Thu Apr 29 19:26:41 1999:

Spring professional season:
I just caught the tail end of an ad for Mozart's MARRIAGE OF FIGARO 
at the Toledo Opera.  It's probably this weekend.  
 
This is the final weekend for Michigan Opera Theatre's production of 
MADAMA BUTTERFLY by Puccini.  Next up, in late May, is EUGENE ONEGIN.


#119 of 221 by mcnally on Thu Apr 29 21:02:35 1999:

  Hmmm..  That sounds interesting..

  The weekend after next is Opera Grand Rapids' spring production
  ("La Boheme" again..)


#120 of 221 by krj on Thu Apr 29 21:47:15 1999:

OK, I looked it up.
 
http://www.toledo-opera.com
MARRIAGE OF FIGARO runs on May 6 and May 8.
 
Toledo is plugging their new theatre; next year they are moving into 
the restored Valentin Theatre, which seats only 900, down from the 2400
capacity of their current house.  They are planning an Opera Gala 2000
for February, 2000, with Marilyn Horne, at the Toledo Museum of Art
"Peristyle;" anyone ever been in that facility?


#121 of 221 by krj on Mon Jun 28 19:43:11 1999:

I've been neglecting this item: I still need to get in brief mentions
for THE CONSUL and EUGENE ONEGIN.
 
But I did want to mention that I have seen ads for opera DVDs.
The Metropolitan Opera Guild has released three of them.  If my 
feeble memory is accurate, it's two TV broadcasts from the 1980s, 
and a more recent gala concert.


#122 of 221 by krj on Fri Aug 6 08:21:04 1999:

I'm still behind, sigh.
 
Adrian's Opera Lenawee company is doing Mozart's COSI FAN TUTTE this
fall.  UM School of Music is doing SUSANNAH, an American opera from the 
1950s which is having quite a bit of a revival now.  I don't have the dates 
in front of me, but none of you use this item as your opera schedule 
guide anyway.

And the Michigan Opera Theatre really needs to get its web page updated
for the current season.


#123 of 221 by krj on Thu Oct 21 17:14:47 1999:

Leslie and I travelled to Chicago to see Lyric Opera's second performance
of William Bolcom's new opera A VIEW FROM THE BRIDGE, based on the play
by Arthur Miller.   The opera was very well done, with an old-fashioned 
plot and melodies, and a couple of good arias -- in contrast to, say, 
an arbitrary Philip Glass piece.  It was quite the crowd pleaser, a rarity
for a modern work in my experience.
 
The story is set in Brooklyn in the 1950s, in a community of first-generation
Americans of Italian descent, and one family's collision with its 
illegal immigrant cousins.  Catherine Malfitano was the only cast member
I'd heard of before -- she sang Aunt Beatrice, with a remarkably clear
tone. 
 
We have four operas on our calendar this fall, none of which we've 
seen before -- that's unusual.  Coming up next are Massenet's 
WERTHER at Michigan Opera Theatre, with the blind tenor Andrea Boccelli
in his first stage role; then it's back to Chicago Lyric Opera for 
Handel's ALCINA.  UM School of Music's SUSANNAH makes the fourth.


#124 of 221 by mcnally on Thu Oct 21 23:33:24 1999:

  I'll be seeing Opera Grand Rapids' production of "Turandot" in early
  November.  I'll post with a review if reminded..


#125 of 221 by krj on Wed Oct 27 18:20:42 1999:

Darn.  I'd be willing to drive to Grand Rapids for a TURANDOT performance
if our calendar were not already so loaded.  We're already seeing 
two operas, and maybe three, in the next week.


#126 of 221 by orinoco on Wed Oct 27 20:44:16 1999:

<...continues to find Ken's dedication impressive>


#127 of 221 by dbratman on Tue Nov 2 21:32:50 1999:

Ken, have you heard either of Philip Glass's two best operas, 
"Satyagraha" and "Akhnaten"?  They both have some pretty dandy arias, 
beautiful and lyrical.  True, they aren't designed to show off the 
singer's command of difficult notes, but I find the aim of doing so to 
be fairly inimical to beauty in music.


#128 of 221 by krj on Fri Nov 5 18:47:48 1999:

Haven't heard those two: I've heard large hunks of 'Einstein on the Beach,'
and we saw the 'live' production of 'La Belle et La Bete' where Glass had 
a conventional structure imposed on him by the Cocteau film.  
 
Still behind: reports to be written on MOT's controversial WERTHER with 
Andrea Bocelli, and Chicago Lyric's staging of Handel's ALCINA.


#129 of 221 by mcnally on Mon Nov 8 20:25:55 1999:

  "Turandot", as presented by Opera Grand Rapids this weekend, was quite
  enjoyable.  

  The music from "Turandot" is fantastic and includes what's probably
  one of the most famous arias in all of opera ("Nessun Dorma", which is
  so famous you'd almost certainly recognize the melody even if you've
  never seen an opera..) and the story is a classic fairy tail.

  Highlights of the Opera Grand Rapids production included lavish costume
  spectacle and better-than-usual acting from the main leads.  The vocal
  performances were mostly adequate but not exceptional, according to the
  judgment from the my amateur ear and limited perspective) -- I've heard
  better, even in Grand Rapids, but there was nothing seriously lacking.
  It's just that with such a beautiful score, you really want every note
  to be perfect..



#130 of 221 by dbratman on Tue Nov 9 02:32:13 1999:

Ken: "Einstein on the Beach" is not at all like any of Glass's 
subsequent operas: it's the least lyrical and the most hard-core 
minimalist, and I would certainly urge you, or any curious person, and 
in particular anyone who thinks Glass is tuneless neener-neener all the 
time, to try "Satyagraha" or "Akhnaten".  There's a single CD called 
"Songs from the Trilogy" that samples all three.


#131 of 221 by krj on Thu Nov 11 19:04:52 1999:

U.Michigan's student production of SUSANNAH, by Carlisle Floyd, opens
tonight and runs through Sunday.  SUSANNAH is an American opera 
from the 1950s which has surged in popularity in the last five years,
and some people are running around calling it The Great American Opera.
I vaguely recall that it's about sexual repression in a 
religiously conservative Southern culture.  The show is at Power Center,
and my guess is that seats will be plentiful.
 
UM student operas are your best bargain in live opera performances.


#132 of 221 by krj on Fri Nov 12 05:09:33 1999:

Instant review:  after a bit of a ragged start the opera pulled together
rather nicely.  The setting of a religious revival meeting in the second
act was a powerful thing.  Ann Arbor opera fans should take the opportunity
to see something different.  :)


#133 of 221 by mcnally on Fri Nov 12 16:44:15 1999:

  I think this Ann Arbor opera fan is going to take the opportunity to
  catch up on sleep and do nothing all weekend, but it does sound intriguing..


#134 of 221 by davel on Mon Dec 6 01:58:08 1999:

I have an instant review, I guess.  We went to see UMGASS's production of
Gilbert & Sullivan's _Utopia_Limited_ this afternoon.  I wasn't looking
forward to it very much; of all the G&S operas, it's my least favorite, in
terms both of music & of libretto.  We wanted to start the kids (who've been
enjoying such recordings as we possess, plus reading the libretti) on G&S,
so we went.  We all enjoyed it.  It was very well done, with lots of business
to perk up the fairly lame dialogue.  Act II especially was tight & moved
well.

The opera had been cut significantly.  There was no overture.  (I'm not
absolutely sure Utopia has one, but I *thought* it did.)  The entire sub-plot
involving the two wise guys' (excuse me, wise *men's*) desire to marry the
princess was removed.  This definitely was a good choice.  It made the opera
shorter & snappier, removing complications without actually having any real
impact.  The wise guys have quite enough going on without this.  My sincere
compliments to whoever made this particular decision.  There may have been
other cuts I didn't notice.  There were a few updatings, all well chosen. 
I noticed the following: Zara had been at Cambridge, not Girton; and instead
of:
        King: ... You are not making fun of us?  This is in accordance with
              the practice at the Court of St. James's?
        Lord Dram: Well, it is in accordance with the practice at the Court
              of St. James's Hall.
the king asked for assurance that it was in accordance with the practice of
business, & was assured that it was in accordance with the practice of *show*
business.  (I presume that Girton was used originally because women could not
matriculate at universities in England, at the time.)

My sons, 12 & 9, enjoyed it thoroughly.  We had taken the precaution of
reading the libretto in the last couple of days, which was as well - as usual,
some of the vocals were a bit hard to understand.  (This goes back to G&S's
day, & is not really to be solved.)

A splendid time was had by all of us.


#135 of 221 by davel on Wed Dec 8 02:14:23 1999:

(Oh, one more update.  The Utopian "strong language", the one that gets
repeated, turned out to be "ting tang walla wanna bing bang".  (I had to
explain this to my family.)  But obviously this was not what Gilbert
originally wrote.)


#136 of 221 by mcnally on Wed Dec 8 02:38:29 1999:

  who did that "Witch Doctor" song (with "ting tang walla walla bing bang")?
  Was that David Seville (of "the Chipmunks" fame)? 


#137 of 221 by omni on Wed Dec 8 08:54:56 1999:

  Unfortunatly, yes.


#138 of 221 by kewy on Thu Dec 9 05:51:10 1999:

I remember singing along with that record for music class in First 
grade.  What a wonderful music program Willow Run schools had.  It was 
amazing coming to Ann Arbor from there... but I digress.


#139 of 221 by dbratman on Wed Dec 15 21:33:24 1999:

The "Court of St. James's Hall" song is by far the best number, 
musically, in _Utopia Ltd._, and I'm glad to hear it wasn't cut.  I 
agree it makes sense to change the joke to "business/show business", as 
most people (including me) need a footnote to know that St. James's 
Hall was a theatre.

At the time the operetta was written, Girton was a women's college 
attached to Cambridge University in most respects except officially, 
since officially Cambridge did not admit women.  It's now a Cambridge 
college like any other, so it makes sense to say that Zara went to 
Cambridge.


#140 of 221 by krj on Wed Feb 9 06:42:13 2000:

Local notes: we just missed a Residential College performance of 
Mozart's COSI FAN TUTTE, oops.   And this weekend we'll be missing 
more Mozart, DON GIOVANNI in Grand Rapids.
 
Ann Arbor Comic Opera Guild is staging a CARMEN in late February.

Toledo added some folding chairs to the room for their upcoming 
Marilyn Horne concert, so Leslie and I graduated from the waiting list.
This appears to be Horne's farewell tour, so we're glad we'll 
get in to see it.
 
And after that, the next opera on our calendar is Wagner's 
TRISTAN & ISOLDE in Chicago.


#141 of 221 by mcnally on Wed Feb 9 16:07:07 2000:

  I'll be seeing "Don Giovanni" this weekend.  I'll let you know 
  how it went..


#142 of 221 by dbratman on Fri Feb 18 21:35:47 2000:

I sat through "Das Rheingold" with pleasure, but I think I'd rather 
have teeth pulled than listen to "Tristan und Isolde".


#143 of 221 by mcnally on Fri Feb 18 21:50:04 2000:

  Opera Grand Rapids' production of "Don Giovanni" was pretty enjoyable.
  The acting was unexceptional, but the female leads sang well (in what
  seemed, to me at least, to be fairly demanding parts) and everything
  else was pretty competently handled.   (Although the special effects
  for Don Giovanni's abduction to Hell were less dramatic, and more cheesy,
  than I would've liked)

  Overall the production failed to thrill me, but I suspect that's
  Mozart's fault, or mine.  I've seen three of his operas (Marriage of
  Figaro, Magic Flute, and Don Giovanni) and haven't been swept away by
  the music in any of them.

  One of the things that I thought was interesting about the opera was
  how strikingly different the vocal parts are for the men and women --
  much of the men's dialog is almost spoken but the women are always
  trilling away into song..


#144 of 221 by krj on Thu Apr 20 03:30:16 2000:

My, I am behind.
 
The last two weeks have been swallowed up in a haze of THE MIKADO.
This was, as most of you know, the spring production of the University of 
Michigan Gilbert & Sullivan Society, and I saw the show five times, 
beginning with the dress rehearsal two weeks ago.  And the music 
has filled my head and driven out everything else since then, so I have
not played a CD for two weeks.   I suppose I should learn all the songs,
so I could sing them for my own entertainment in my artless way.
 
I've been trying for two weeks to think of something intelligible 
to write about the show, and I haven't come up with much.  As for the 
production, I think UMGASS really nailed it.  But then I'm prejudiced,
as Leslie sang the part of Katisha, the elderly lady who the hero Nanki-Poo
would rather not marry; and I helped drag in the set, tear down the set,
and generally got lots of peeks into the backstage part of the show.
 
One moment which I particularly loved is the contrast between the 
entrance of the women's chorus, which is written as a lovely serious 
number, and the entrance of Yum-Yum and the rest of the Three Little 
Maids, which seems straight out of vaudeville.  I'm not quite sure how 
to characterize those harmonies, almost barber-shop-like.
 
Anyway, it's been a fun two weeks, but it's probably time to get my head
out of the MIKADO clouds.  There's a pile of other CDs here to listen
to, and we have tickets for ROSENKAVALIER this weekend at the Michigan 
Opera Theatre, so I should start doing a little studying for that.


#145 of 221 by davel on Fri Apr 21 01:23:41 2000:

It was a really good production - up to UMGASS's normal high standards.
(We only saw one performance, Sunday matinee.)  (I did not recognize
Leslie, whom I think I met once or twice quite a while back, or the
reference to krj in her section of the program notes on the cast.)
Pooh-bah was played especially well, but everyone did well.  There were
times when we wondered if Ko-ko had a touch of laryngitis, but other
times he sounded fine.  The bit of business he & Leslie did with "Ah,
shrink not from me" was particularly good - more extreme than I've seen
it done before.

We used to see all the UMGASS productions.  When the kids were younger,
we saw none.  Now all four of us are really enjoying getting back to
them.


#146 of 221 by davel on Thu Apr 27 20:20:22 2000:

BTW, there was one BIG improvement (relating specifically to Katisha) over
the last UMGASS Mikado we saw.  (Remember, there was over a decade's hiatus
in this.)  In that Mikado, Katisha was not merely elderly & ugly, but
portrayed as almost demonic - sort of like what Walt Disney did to the wicked
queen in Snow White.  Bleah.  In the production this month, Katisha was well
done in something more like the part given in the opera.

Personally, I get a bit tired of the endless stream of elderly-old-maid jokes
in Gilbert's librettos.  More than a bit.  But in any one play, when it's well
done (as this one was), I enjoy it fine.  (My standard for doing this well
is an old UMGASS production of Pirates - the one that was released as a
phonograph record.  Pretty much everything was especially well done that
year.)


#147 of 221 by md on Fri Apr 28 12:30:26 2000:

I once wrote a little poem about American Savoyards.
(Present company excluded, just having fun, etc.)

If you're anxious for to shine in an operettic line
  In a manner tried and true,
Just appeal to every ass in the British middle class
  And the Yanks will fall for you.
Though your doggerel be sorry and your politics be Tory
  And your tunes no joy impart,
Still, your fan across the sea will imagine you must be
  The very flower of British art.
And all his friends will say as he goes his dippy way,
"If he's mad about those vulgar Brits who seem so dull to *me*,
  Why, what a very shallow sort of anglophile 
  That shallow sort of anglophile must be.


#148 of 221 by mcnally on Sat Apr 29 17:30:20 2000:

  Savoyards?  Meaning's clear from context, but it's mildly appalling
  there's even a word for that..


#149 of 221 by md on Sun Apr 30 11:22:19 2000:

"G&S cult members," as I understand it.  

I've been mildly irritated all my life by the various 
dentists, proctologists, boutique-owners, etc., who 
consider themselves enlightened liberal humanists and 
in the same breath claim to be mad about G&S.  G&S's 
19th c. audience consisted mainly of middle-class British
philistines -- he same stateside dentists and shopkeepers 
who dote on their D'Oyly Carte LPs today -- a fact of 
which the boys themselves were well aware.  Gilbert
himself referred to his lyrics as "doggerel."

Flanders and Swan did it so much better:

  "I've been a little maid from school
  Since I was just a tiny tot."
  "With Jack Point's gags I've played the fool
  Till I'm the only point they've got."
  "I've toured through all the English-speaking nations
  And can no longer play my part in Patience."

  For one man in his time
  Plays the same old part...
  Can you wonder then that I'm
  A little tired of D'Oyly Carte?
  
  Three little Savoyards are we, tra-la-la-la, tra-la-la-la,
  Started in 1893, tra-la-la-la-la-la.
  With Gilbert and Sullivan we've toured from dump to dump, tra-la-la-la
  And Sullivan and Gilbert can take a running jump
  (From year to year and dump to dump
  Can go and take a running jump).
  Three little Savoyards are we, tra-la-la-la, tra-la-la-la,
  Started in 1893, tra-la-la-la-la-la.
  
  "Dear little town of Nanki-Poo"
  (Smile, turn, pace to the right),
  "Canst thou believe my heart is true?"
  (Terrible house tonight!)
  "One that with tender passion fired"
  (Turn, pace, hand over heart)...
  Woe to the day that we were hired
  By D'Oyly Carte!
  Why is it so admired,
  This business first inspired
  By former artists long retired
  From D'Oyly Carte?
  
  Anything new is disallowed
  (Turn, pace, wait for the pause);
  Blasphemous change would shock the crowd
  Following in their scores!
  Novel approach is not required
  (Bounce, out of the part);
  We've done our best,
  But we need a rest
  From D'Oyly Carte.
  
  But the copyright's expiring in a year or two, no more,
  And then at last we'll have the chance to settle this old score.
  We'll buy back Covent Garden, and have the operas rewritten
  With new words by J.B. Priestley and new tunes by Benjy Britten.
  Till the end of this light operatic coma,
  We're going off to sing in "Oklahoma"!
  Tra-la-la-la-la-la! 


#150 of 221 by dbratman on Mon May 8 23:51:24 2000:

md claims to be irritated by people who claim to be liberal humanists 
but who like Gilbert and Sullivan.  Being one myself, I think I can 
explain.

No hypocrisy is involved.

You're not being asked to _vote_ for Gilbert, you know.

That's beside the fact that Gilbert satirized everything he could get 
his hands on, and you really can't determine all his views from his 
work.  Once, when complimented for the opinion expressed in a song, he 
said, "The views are not mine.  They are those of the wrong-headed 
donkey who sings them."

I'm more puzzled by the outbreak of G&S-bashing above.  Nobody's 
forcing you to listen to this, are they?

That Flanders and Swann song, btw, is directed specifically at the 
D'Oyly Carte Company, which, especially in the 1950s, was notorious for 
its extremely sterile productions.  American productions (the copyright 
had already expired here) were much livelier and much better.


#151 of 221 by mcnally on Tue May 9 00:11:01 2000:

  Well, just so md won't feel lonely you can add me to the list of people
  who (a) don't much enjoy G&S, and (b) think that many people who profess
  to like it do so for reasons which are not particularly related to its
  musical or theatrical merits.


#152 of 221 by md on Tue May 9 00:46:15 2000:

Well, not forced to listen, exactly, but I have
been played The Mikado as if I were being educated 
in the finer things in life.  That, and the
presumption that my reluctance can only mean that 
I've come from listening to Bob Seger, rather than
Pelleas et Melisande, irritates me more than G&S's 
words and music.  You might never learn what I was 
listening to -- or if you do, it won't be from my 
mouth -- but I do reserve the right to have a little 
private fun in verse.


#153 of 221 by davel on Tue May 9 00:57:00 2000:

Hmm.  I meant to respond to this, too, & never got around to it.

I'm not a Savoyard, but I like G&S really well, both words & music.  (But I'd
put the words first.)  There are plenty of things that I think are wrong with
Gilbert's lyrics - including one whole opera, pretty much - but on the whole
I judge them to be clever, well-written, & often to the point.  (On this last,
let me hasten to add that I'm not one of those md specifically referred to,
so I don't personally have to worry about being accused of hypocrisy.)

If you're going to judge G&S according to the social ideas embodied, it's only
fair to be just as hard on grand opera - which (somehow) people who criticize
G&S on this particular point normally aren't, somehow.



#154 of 221 by md on Tue May 9 11:04:34 2000:

Can great light opera, or great art of any kind,
be cruel, racist, fascist, whatever?  I think the
answer is yes, absolutely, whether we like that
fact or not.  What Auden said, regarding literature:
"Time, that is intolerant Of the brave and innocent,
And indifferent in a week To a beautiful physique,
Worships language and forgives Everyone by whom it
lives, Pardons cowardice, conceit, Lays it honors at
their feet.  Time, that with this strange excuse,
Pardoned Kipling and his views, And will pardon Paul
Claudel, Pardons them for writing well."  G&S can be
anything they like, for all I care, so long as the 
art is good.  They do have a witty lyric here, a
hummable tune there.  I'm not anti-G&S by any means.
(I know I must sound like one of those people who say
you can like something but you have to like it for 
the right reasons [ie, my reasons].  Don't mean to.)


#155 of 221 by rcurl on Tue May 9 19:04:04 2000:

I agree with Auden. What were the contemporary faults of G and/or S, or of
any artists whose lives and times are now long gone, are all irrelevant
today, except as instructive history. 



#156 of 221 by dbratman on Tue May 9 20:06:15 2000:

md may well be right about the bulk of G&S aficionados: having spent 
much time in their company, I've noticed that it appears that many of 
them are not musical in any other respect.  What those individuals see 
in G&S is not at all clear to me.

As for _The Mikado_ being presented as if it were one of the finer 
things in life ... it is, it is.  But if you can't name of the top of 
your head half a dozen "finer things" that you have no taste for, then 
your sense of discrimination is highly undeveloped.

I don't much like most high opera myself: the only operas I've ever 
fully enjoyed are "The Barber of Seville", "Carmen", several Mozart 
comedies, and (odd one out in this bunch) "Das Rheingold".  (Yes, I 
have heard the entirety of the Ring.)  Not surprisingly, in view of the 
bulk of that list, the part of my brain that's wiggled by G&S is the 
same part that's wiggled by musical comedy of the Broadway variety, and 
that's where I keep it in my head, though with notation for Sullivan's 
infinite superiority as composer and especially as arranger over most 
Broadway musicians, and for Gilbert's very different style as lyricist.

As for offensiveness ... if I only allowed myself to listen to vocal 
music with which I agreed with every sentiment, my CD collection would 
be tiny indeed.  Wagner was a monster, but he's dead: he won't be 
earning any royalties when I go to hear Rheingold.  If I like the 
music, and can ignore the words, I'll listen to it.


#157 of 221 by md on Tue May 9 23:09:10 2000:

Offensiveness of the lyrics isn't an issue for me 
personally.  I think what you're hearing in me is 
ego being offended by the cultish American Savoyards
you mention who assume I don't respond to G&S because
I can't elevate my taste, when the truth - unknown to 
them and untellable by me - is that I can't lower it.  
There's also the uncomfortable spot this puts me in of 
feeling less than the Whitmanesque democrat I know in 
my heart I am.  But it's all in a good cause, I guess: 
not being like *them*.  ;-)  Anyway, I have the utmost
respect for the sentiments expressed in #156, even
though I now have "The Moon and I" going through my head
on an endless loop.


#158 of 221 by dbratman on Thu May 11 16:19:18 2000:

md: Well, it's a common problem of cultists of various kinds that they 
refuse to believe that others don't share their tastes.  I'm still 
annoyed at the guy who, maybe ten years ago, refused to believe my 
reaction to a jazz masterpiece recording that was played in our 
presence.  My reaction was, "Like 99% of jazz, that did nothing for me 
whatever."  He apparently thought I was only _pretending_ not to like 
it because I was a classical snob.

I can think of a couple things about G&S that might be relevant.  
First, these works are operettas rather than operas, and if your taste 
runs to through-composed operas I can see why you might find such 
choppy, jaunty works beneath you.  (For my part, I dislike almost every 
_non_-G&S operetta I've heard, because I find them schmaltzy, which G&S 
never is.  Also, their books and lyrics are pathetic next to 
Gilbert's.  Many Savoyards are incredulous that I don't love "The Merry 
Widow" or "Die Fledermaus".)

Second, there are many, many bad performances of G&S out there, often 
by the same companies that put out good ones.  The Stanford Savoyards 
just put on the second best "Iolanthe" of my experience.  This is the 
same company which, a few years ago, did a "Pirates" in which not only 
did the pirates mill around like a bunch of dispirited lugs, but when 
the Pirate King, during his solo song, leapt across the stage onto a 
(fake plastic) rock, it _slid out from under him_.

So there is a possibility that you've only seen bad performances, or 
that the bad ones spoiled you for the good ones.  But there's no way to 
prove this experimentally, so it's just a suggestion.


#159 of 221 by rcurl on Thu May 11 16:23:43 2000:

I like both G&S - and Die Fledermaus (and almost all other opera). They
have different virtues. However I'm with dbratman on jazz - I keep
wondering why people are so gaga about it. A jazz afficianado once
explained the harmonic progression that defines jazz, but I for some
reason can't hear it. 


#160 of 221 by brighn on Thu May 11 19:02:49 2000:

jazz is ok as background music =}

I have my own things about which I'm cult-like, mostly fringe rock music that
few people empathize with, I think everyone's cult-like about something.


#161 of 221 by rcurl on Thu May 11 22:53:46 2000:

I go for bats - one reason I like Die Fledermaus.


#162 of 221 by davel on Fri May 12 14:46:26 2000:

I grew up seeing G&S performed by the 8th grade at our local high school, one
per year for around a decade.  What they lack in trained musicians such
performances often make up in enthusiasm.  And Gilbert's humor is often at
just about an 8th-grade level.   8-{)]
For that matter, I was in Yeoman in 8th grade - so I didn't *see* that one.


#163 of 221 by krj on Sat May 13 19:58:41 2000:

Way back in resp:140, resp:142 :: too bad I've not said anything before
now about Wagner's TRISTAN & ISOLDE, which we saw in Chicago back in February.
David Bratman wrote "I think I'd rather have teeth pulled," and I  can't figure
out why, unless it's the opera's length.   Unfortunately we only got half of
the current great Tristan & Isolde: Ben Heppner wasn't schedule for this
performance, just Jane Eaglen.

After these months it's hard to think of anything to say about the music:
the production held together quite well and the second act, which has 
the big love duet, was a wonderful example of the the set machinery
being used to underscore the story, as everything outside of the little 
world of the two lovers slides away and disappears.  Oh, and Isolde's 
maidservant standing watch atop the steel cube...

What was it some critic wrote?  TRISTAN is where the symphony entered 
the opera, or something like that.  It's quite different than the 
Italian opera tradition; arias don't really start or stop as 
distinct pieces, but there's just this big river of music moving along.

----------

And back in April there was Richard Strauss' DER ROSENKAVALIER at 
Michigan Opera Theatre.  Strauss is a problem composer for me, being 
a 20th Century guy and all that, though I can see where he's pretty 
much following on from Wagner.  The story didn't make a whole lot of 
sense to me until Leslie pointed out that it's an homage to Mozart, 
with Octavian reprising Cherubino (the mezzo singing the role of a 
boy first discovering sex) and Baron Ochs as a caricature of 
Don Giovanni.
 
It was fun seeing Helen Donath in the role of The Marschallin, since 
we got to chat with her at length after a MOT gala.

Still behind: last Saturday we saw LA BOHEME in Baltimore, and tonight
is TOSCA.  But for now, back to your regularly scheduled 
Gilbert & Sullivan bashing.  :)



#164 of 221 by omni on Mon May 15 07:14:18 2000:

  I'm a liberal and I adore Gilbert & Sullivan. I also have no idea of what
a Savoyard is. I also like Die Fledermaus, maybe because I, too am batty. ;)

   I love all things British except Gentleman's Relish, which is comprised
mostly of anchovies. Wait. Let's not go into the food thing.

   There probably is no hope of me ever being refined. I own a copy of The
Mikado, and HMS Pinafore. I can sing the Captain's song. I'm learning Sir
Joseph's song. I collect stamps with the First Frump (the Queen) on them. 

  Pass me a warm beer.



#165 of 221 by davel on Mon May 15 14:26:34 2000:

I don't think you qualify as a Savoyard unless you at least have a copy of
the libretto for Utopia, Ltd. as well, Jim.  You don't qualify, yet.

(Maybe you have to be able to sing a couple of songs from either Utopia or
Grand Duke, as well.  I'm not sure.)


#166 of 221 by md on Tue May 16 01:08:58 2000:

I have a 19th c edition of the Bab Ballads.  Does that
qualify me?


#167 of 221 by davel on Tue May 16 14:13:50 2000:

No.  Necessary but not sufficient.
8-{)]


#168 of 221 by dbratman on Wed May 17 17:36:37 2000:

>I think everyone's cult-like about something.

Moderation in all things.  Including moderation.

"Savoyard", for those that don't know the word, is the term for a G&S 
aficionado.  It comes from the Savoy Theatre, the original home of the 
D'Oyle Carte Company, which the G&S operettas were originally written 
for.  (And it's called the Savoy Theatre because it's on the site of the 
Savoy Palace, where the Princes of Savoy (in Italy) stayed when they 
came to London in olden times.)

I'm often inclined to think that the true mark of a Savoyard is that 
they not only know nothing from "Utopia Limited" and "The Grand Duke", 
but that they have not the slightest interest or curiosity in them.  
Savoyards often have amazingly narrow tastes: they want to hear the same 
seven G&S masterpieces - half of their total output - again and again, 
with no interest in whatever else these guys may have written.

Fortunately they're not all like that.

Why do I dislike most Wagner?  It's not because I prefer Italian opera: 
I have no taste for Italian opera.  It's not because "the symphony 
entered the opera": in fact, I _like_ it that way, and my reaction to a 
lot of Wagner is "this is beautiful orchestral music; now if only those 
superfluous idiots would stop trying (and usually failing) to sing over 
it."  It's not the length: if Bruckner had only written a 5-hour 
symphony, I would listen in rapt adoration.  And it's not because I 
dislike all Wagner: in fact, _Das Rheingold_ is one of my favorite 
operas.

And why is _Rheingold_ my favorite Wagner?  Because it has no Wagnerian 
love scenes in it.  I hate Wagnerian love scenes (including platonic 
father-daughter love scenes like the one in _Walkure_): they are the 
embodiment of what I dislike most in late Romantic movement: heaving, 
overwrought, agonized, overlong, unlimited and uncontrolled.  By 
comparison Tchaikovsky is a model of classical restraint.  Mahler sounds 
like this too, much of the time, and I don't like him either.  Anyway, 
_Tristan_ is the Wagner opera with the greatest quotient of Wagnerian 
love scenes, and it is accordingly the one I'd avoid with the longest 
pole.


#169 of 221 by krj on Fri Sep 15 17:51:52 2000:

Wow, there are about four or five operas that never got noted 
down in this item, stuff we saw in the spring and summer.
Maybe later.
 
AP has a wire story reporting that Luciano Pavarotti will be singing
a concert version of Verdi's AIDA on November 21, at the Detroit
Opera House.  


#170 of 221 by krj on Sat Oct 21 05:03:49 2000:

Three weeks ago, Leslie & I saw a production from the new Arbor Opera
Company, staged at the auditorium of Pioneer High School.  
This was Donizetti's LUCIA DI LAMMERMOOR.   The story, set in 
Scotland, is about poor Lucia, who loves one man but whose brother 
forces her to marry another.  As is usual, the corpses pile up.  :)
 
The three lead roles were pretty well sung.  Arbor Opera's goal is 
to present performance opportunities for young singers.  The opera 
was produced on a shoestring budget of about $30,000, if I remember 
the news story correctly, with about half of that going for the 
orchestra.    The biggest lack was projected titles; I hadn't seen an
opera without projected titles in 10 years, and I found that I missed 
a lot of the story.  Biggest example would be Lucia's aria from the 
first act, sung to the statue in a fountain and foreshadowing all the 
deaths to come.   I had no idea what she was singing about.
 
I'd encourage opera fans in Ann Arbor to turn out and support the 
company's future efforts, just to keep a small local company going.
This production was comparable in overall quality to the University 
of Michigan School of Music productions.
 
-----

Coming up in Ann Arbor:  UMichigan's student production of Verdi's
FALSTAFF, which I need to get a date (and tickets) for.  It's 
sometime in November.
 
Coming up in the review queue:  our doubleheader weekend in Chicago, 
with "The Great Gatsby" and "Queen of Spades."   Also, UM Musical Theatre's
production of Gershwin's "Of Thee I Sing."   I will get caught up, I will 
I will I will...


#171 of 221 by mary on Sat Oct 21 13:51:34 2000:

Ken, John and I would like to get tickets to Falstaff too.  We're
not huge opera fans but the female lead is a friend of ours and
we'd like to be there.  If you hear of tickets going on sale before
we do would you let us know?  (I'll let you know if I get the info
first.)


#172 of 221 by mcnally on Sat Oct 21 21:05:37 2000:

  This talk of fall opera productions is making me homesick, since it's
  reminding me that I won't be getting back to western Michigan to catch
  Opera Grand Rapids' fall production, which usually occurs around this
  time of year.

  Having heard Leslie's high praise for the Seattle opera company's Wagner
  productions, I tried to talk my few social acquaintances out here into
  checking out the first production in the cycle with me earlier this fall
  but couldn't talk anyone into it..  I now regret not going by myself, but
  it was a busy week, etc, etc..


#173 of 221 by krj on Sun Oct 22 01:56:51 2000:

Mary (and John) -- a web page with information about the upcoming
UM production of FALSTAFF is at:
 http://www.theatre.music.umich.edu/uprod/current/uprod-falstaff.html
The opera runs Thursday November 16 - Sunday November 19 at Power Center.
 
Leslie says that tickets come from the Mendelssohn Box Office.  They'd 
likely be on sale by now, I think.
 
Since you want to see a specific singer, be sure to note that the 
operas at UM are staged with two casts, one on Thursday-Saturday 
and one on Friday-Sunday.  This is done in part to give more 
students experience, and in part because it's not healthy to sing 
this stuff on consecutive nights.   You'll want to check with your
friend to be sure you get tickets for one of the two shows she'll 
be appearing in.  (Or you could wander over to the School of Music 
list and check the posted cast list there, which is what Leslie does.)


#174 of 221 by krj on Sun Oct 22 02:20:16 2000:

(er, "wander over to the School of Music building..."   sheesh)


#175 of 221 by mary on Sun Oct 22 16:41:06 2000:

Thanks, Ken.


#176 of 221 by mcnally on Wed Jan 31 04:54:25 2001:

  Ken & Leslie might enjoy an article from this week's Onion:
  "Finest Opera Singer of Her Generation Unknown By Her Generation"
  http://www.theonion.com/onion3703/opera_singer.html

  My favorite quote:

     Raised by symphony violinists Celeste and Antonio Coletti,
     young Alessandra grew up surrounded by opera and classical music.

     "My earliest memories are listening to Enrico Caruso 78s on my
     parents' Victrola," Coletti said. "When I was seven, they took me
     to see Renata Babek in 'La Gioconda.' What a thrill that was.
     I remember asking my mother why there were no other children in
     the audience. She told me they were all across town at Carnegie
     Hall watching Tchaikovsky's 'Queen Of Spades.'"


#177 of 221 by krj on Fri Mar 16 01:46:04 2001:

Coming up: a regional double helping of Jacques Offenbach.
The spring UM student production is "La Perichole," which opens March 22
at Lydia Mendelssohn Theatre.   And then in June, Michigan 
Opera Theatre offers "Tales of Hoffmann."


#178 of 221 by mcnally on Fri Mar 16 04:01:43 2001:

  I didn't expect to like "Tales of Hoffman" but I found it quite interesting.
  (when I saw it performed by Opera Grand Rapids a few years ago, that is..)


#179 of 221 by rcurl on Fri Mar 16 21:19:07 2001:

Why would you expect to not like "Tales of Hoffman"? 


#180 of 221 by mcnally on Sat Mar 17 00:40:01 2001:

  Because the only works I'd heard by Offenbach up to that time didn't 
  thrill me and because I read a poor summary of the libretto that made
  it sound like a sequence of unrelated vignettes.


#181 of 221 by rcurl on Sat Mar 17 07:42:35 2001:

It would be interesting to see (and hear) how that would be done. If
it has been, it would make a good "Opera Quiz" question - name the
opera that is a sequence of unrelated vignettes. Certainly, some
ballets are like that. 


#182 of 221 by mcnally on Sun Mar 18 02:07:13 2001:

  Well, to some extent "Tales From Hoffman" comes pretty close -- 
  it's made up of three stories which I presume were not written to
  be connected in any way, but in the process of adapting them to
  operatic form the librettist added a connecting framework which
  ties them together as elements of an outer story about the
  relationship between an artist and his muse.  


#183 of 221 by rcurl on Sun Mar 18 06:54:45 2001:

I don't see it that way. In the prologue, Hoffman is asked to tell about
the three love encounters of his life, which is what he does in the
succeeding three acts. This is a very common structure of both novels and
autobiographies. I certainly think that everything is tied together by the
protagonist, Hoffman. (The text, by the way, is of course not by
Offenbach, but by Jules Barbier, who was a very famous librettist.) 

There a other threads that tie the three main acts together. They all have
an antagonist - a "malignant influence" - Spalanzani in the first act, and
Dr. Miracle in the others. They all have "heroines" of great artistic
skill - a dancer, a coquette, and a singer. They all end with specific
disillusionments for Hoffman. 

AND...all that provides marvelous excuses for beautiful music and songs! 
Where's my recording.... 



#184 of 221 by dbratman on Sun Mar 18 07:31:38 2001:

A link formed of somebody telling some otherwise unrelated stories is a 
good way to ... um ... to link together some otherwise unrelated 
stories.  (And black is black, and white is white.)  It is indeed a 
very common strategy, but it doesn't make the stories any less 
unrelated.


#185 of 221 by md on Sun Mar 18 12:20:29 2001:

[Psst.  Just agree with him, David.]


#186 of 221 by rcurl on Sun Mar 18 23:41:48 2001:

(md is my Dr. MIracle.....)

Would you explain, please, David, how the stories are unrelated when they
all involve the same protagonist (Hoffman), the same antagonist (called
Spalazani or Dr. Miracle, both out to ruin Hoffman's fun), and the same
type of love objects, false, unobtainable, or fickle? The three acts are
practically the *same* story.



#187 of 221 by dbratman on Mon Mar 19 18:41:56 2001:

Why don't you ask Mike McNally that question, Rane?  He's the one who 
was talking about "The Tales of Hoffman".  I was making a general 
comment on the linking together of unrelated stories.


#188 of 221 by rcurl on Mon Mar 19 19:51:55 2001:

Sorry, I thought you were making an observation relevant to Tales of
Hoffman. What opera were you referring to?

mcnally?


#189 of 221 by mcnally on Mon Mar 19 22:23:39 2001:

  My understanding is that the libretto was adapted from several
  stories whose only original connection is that they were written by
  E.T.A. Hoffmann and feature the several common elements you mention.
  (I just noticed I've been leaving out an "n" for several responses now..)

  I haven't read the original stories, but I was under the impression
  that it is the invention of the librettist that Hoffman has replaced
  the original protagonists of the three stories chosen, as is the story
  of Hoffman's choice between his muse and the opera singer Stella.


#190 of 221 by orinoco on Tue Mar 20 00:46:40 2001:

(Looks like you had a relapse in the second paragraph, too.)


#191 of 221 by mcnally on Tue Mar 20 01:20:32 2001:

  errata:    n n n n n n n
  <please distribute as needed..>


#192 of 221 by rcurl on Tue Mar 20 02:48:03 2001:

McNally is correct in #189, that what Barbier did was make E T A Hoffmann
himself the 'hero' of adventures adapted from several separate stories
written by Hoffmann. I guess it is time for us all to read the original
tales to determine whether the commonalities between the middle acts in
Barbier libretto are also present in the original tales. Quite a few
anthologies of Hoffmann's "Weird Tales" have been published. Apparently he
was an early Kafka in writing bizarre tales. 



#193 of 221 by krj on Mon Mar 26 15:56:46 2001:

Sunday afternoon we saw UM School of Music's production of "La Perichole,"
by Jacques Offenbach, which I gather isn't performed often these days.
We really weren't sure why, since in both book and music it's easily
the equal of the Gilbert & Sullivan operettas, though "Perichole" 
has a sexual edge which the Victorian G&S audience would never have 
accepted.
 
The story is set in colonial Lima, Peru, though the conceit of the 
production designer was to turn Lima into a 1950's seaside resort.
La Perichole is an impoverished street singer who would like to marry
Paquillo, another singer, but they can't afford the money for a marriage
license.   While Perichole and Paquillo are separated by the machinations
of the plot, the Viceroy of Peru spies Perichole and decides to 
rescue her from hunger and install her in the palace as his new mistress.
Of course proprieties must be observed: no unmarried woman can live
in the palace.  So.... (and on and on and on...)
 
The music was lush and delightful throughout, and I think the score 
was better suited to the young student voices than many UM productions
have been.  
 
One thing which startled me was the age of the audience.  Almost 
everyone had white hair, and lots of the audience had mobility problems.
"Well, at least you only need a cane and not a wheelchair!" said 
one of our neighbors to another.  I don't know if this was because 
it was the Sunday matinee, or because it was Offenbach.  One elderly
gentleman seated behind us made a comment in the last act when 
The Old Prisoner appeared in the dungeon:  "Oh, he's a *great* character."
So he, at least, had seen this show before!


#194 of 221 by dbratman on Wed Mar 28 22:11:00 2001:

I saw "La Perichole" once.

Comparing your reactions to mine, I guess I have the gene for enjoying 
Gilbert & Sullivan, but not any other light opera.  I don't like "Die 
Fledermaus" or "The Merry Widow" either.


#195 of 221 by krj on Sun Jul 8 18:26:56 2001:

Wow, I never write reviews any more on stuff I have seen.  Sigh.
 
Upcoming: Friday, July 13:  the Arbor Opera Theater, a local company
which Leslie has been doing some singing with, performs two 45-minute
chamber operas:  Leonard Bernstein's "Trouble in Tahiti" and 
Gian Carlo Menotti's "The Telephone."  8 p.m., $10, at the Vitosha
bed & breakfast & arts center (the former Unitarian Church), 
1917 Washtenaw Avenue.

"Trouble in Tahiti" is about a crumbling marriage, in a setting using
lots of 1950s cultural idioms.  I saw a student production of it 
about a decade ago and it's a favorite work of mine.


#196 of 221 by krj on Sat Jul 14 00:17:29 2001:

The chamber opera presentation (resp:195) was cancelled.
Apologies if anyone showed up for it besides me.


#197 of 221 by arianna on Thu Jul 19 04:25:47 2001:

how was The Telephone?  (MEnotti's one of my favs.)


#198 of 221 by krj on Thu Jul 19 04:53:02 2001:

Haven't seen it; the performance I was going to see was cancelled.
Arbor Opera Theater are doing "The Telephone" and "Trouble In Tahiti"
Thursday-Sunday at the Ann Arbor Civic Theater on Washington St., 
which I think is the old Performance Network space.  I plan to 
see the presentation Thursday.


#199 of 221 by arianna on Thu Jul 19 06:11:25 2001:

which show is Leslie in?


#200 of 221 by krj on Thu Jul 19 15:53:05 2001:

Leslie is in neither of these shows; Leslie is coming to the end of a 
four week opera workshop in the Czech Republic, in the towns of 
Kromeriz and Karlovy Vary.


#201 of 221 by arianna on Sun Jul 22 04:35:23 2001:

it's nice to be an audience on occassion. (:


#202 of 221 by coyote on Mon Jul 23 03:39:41 2001:

I saw Arbor Opera Theater's production of these shows today at the old
Performance Network/new Civic Theater.  Both were highly enjoyable and
well-executed.  I'll plan to attend other Arbor Opera productions in the
future.


#203 of 221 by krj on Fri Nov 9 15:50:43 2001:

Forgot to put this in earlier.  The first performance of this show 
has already run.  This is the U.Michigan School of Music fall 
opera presentation.  I think it's an excellent modern opera, 
we saw it in Montreal about four years ago.
 
>Nov.
>8-11    Opera Theatre Department:  "The Consul" by Gian Carlo Menotti
>Thu-Sun Power Center for the Performing Arts
>        8:00 PM Thu-Sat/2:00 PM Sun.
>        Directed by Joshua Major.  Conducted by Kenneth Kiesler.
>        The Consul tells the tale of a family trying to flee
>        political tyranny in Eastern Europe. Sung
>        in  English. Tickets are available at the League Ticket
>        Office for $20 (center
>        orchestra/balcony), $15 (rear orchestra/ balcony); students
>        with proper ID can purchase
>        tickets for $7. For more information, call 764-2538.

Also running this weekend is UMS presenting Gluck's opera "Orfeo & Eurydice,"
with spectacular Polish contralto Ewa Podles singing Friday and Sunday 
performances. 


#204 of 221 by krj on Sun Nov 11 05:54:34 2001:

We saw the Saturday presentation of "The Consul."  This was Gian
Carlo Menotti's 1950 opera set in Eastern Europe in the 
early days of the cold war.  Overall this was 
a very good production from the UM School of Music.  The dream & 
hypnotism sequences still seem to have dated a bit for me, but 
those are in the book, not unique to this presentation, and we 
felt the final dream sequence was better in this production than 
in the one we saw in Montreal.  The main story is still pretty 
chilling and sad.
 
The set of the Consul's waiting room was monumental -- one of the
best sets I've seen in a UM opera.  Behind the desk of the Secretary,
the file drawers went up to the roof...


#205 of 221 by orinoco on Tue Nov 13 16:02:49 2001:

Some housemates of mine say that one and loved it.  I spent the weekend in
Pittsburgh and missed out.  Pity, really.  Menotti rocks my world.


#206 of 221 by katie on Thu Nov 15 18:39:44 2001:

Then you will be happy to know that Menotti, himself, (age 90!) will be
conducting 'Amahl and the Night Visitors' in Detroit next month. That is,
if you live around here. My friend's son will be be one of the two actors
portraying Amahl.


#207 of 221 by orinoco on Thu Nov 15 20:40:01 2001:

Oh wow.  Thanks for the tip.


#208 of 221 by flem on Mon Nov 19 03:35:41 2001:

I saw Ewa Podles in something else at Hill a year or two ago.  I think it was
the Messiah, but I coudl be wrong.  She was fantastic.  I was hoping to go
to O&E, but this work thing is really messing me up.  


#209 of 221 by krj on Fri Mar 22 05:54:28 2002:

OK, so it's taken me four months to say something about the UMS production
of Gluck's "Orpheus & Eurydice."  *sigh*.
 
Seeing this the same weekend as Menotti's "The Consul" was like 
bookending Western culture, both in theme and in operatic style.
Thematically, we leapt from Greek mythology to totalitarian horrors;
musically, Gluck is "The Great Reformer" of opera, who is considered to 
have stripped away all the aspects of opera which were only to showcase
the singers, to try to get to presenting drama, and of course 
Menotti represents almost-the-present-day.  Before the 20th century's
excavation of Monteverdi's operas, Gluck's works were the oldest ones
likely to be performed.
 
Gluck's drama seems kind of slow for contemporary sensibilities, which
may be why the dance company was included to perk up the visuals a bit.
I think it's an interesting approach and might be fun to apply to some
of the Haydn operas which are recorded for their musical beauty, but
rarely performed on stage.

Eva Podles sang Orpheus, and she's a favorite in our house, ever since
she won over the Ann Arbor audience when she filled in for Cecelia Bartoli
at Hill Auditorium.  Leslie said "she sings like a force of nature."
Gluck left one aria in the old florid style for Orpheus to sing, 
and it was delightful to hear Ms. Podles navigate all those ornaments.

I've forgotten the name of the Euridyce; we saw her two years ago 
as the daughter in Bolcom's "A View From The Bridge."  

OPERA NEWS gave this production a tremendously enthusiastic review 
and suggested that it should tour.  This was the first time that the 
University Musical Society had assembled its own opera production, 
rather than importing one, and we were quite pleased.  Having 
front-row seats was an extra treat.  


#210 of 221 by krj on Fri Mar 22 05:58:30 2002:

... and so much for advance warnings on local opera.  
The University of Michigan School of Music has already opened their 
spring opera, Rossini's "La Cenenterola," a character better known as
Cinderella.  At Lydia Mendellsohn Theater through Sunday, I think, 
check your favorite arts guide. 
 
Eskarina mentioned that MSU's music school is performing 
Offenbach's "Orpheus in the Underworld" this weekend.  I have NO 
details, try to contact the MSU music school if you are interested.
 
And, we completely missed the Comic Opera Guild's production of 
Mozart's "The Magic Flute," in part because Leslie doesn't like 
that opera much, and I only like the first act, before the heavy 
Masonic symbolism comes crashing down like a ton of bricks.


#211 of 221 by flem on Fri Mar 22 18:21:16 2002:

One of the evil stepsisters in Cenerentola (sp?) is the director of the
Arts Chorale, that I sing in.  I may or may not get to see it this weekend.  


#212 of 221 by dbratman on Tue Apr 2 00:30:10 2002:

The most enjoyable opera production I've seen in recent years was a 
Berkeley opera production of Rossini's L'italiana in Algeri, with an 
English-language script that updated the story more than slightly.

It was titled "The Riot Grrrl on Mars."  Freapin' wonderful.

(Hearing James Morris sing Horace Tabor in the San Francisco Opera 
production of Ballad of Baby Doe was pretty impressive, too.)


#213 of 221 by krj on Sat Sep 28 14:56:58 2002:

Upcoming opera events in the Ann Arbor area:
 
Michigan Opera Theater's production of Verdi's IL TROVATORE 
runs October 12-20 in Detroit, so now is the time to look into tickets 
if one is interested.   This is a major Verdi opera which we 
have never seen, so I'm looking forward to it.   Leslie tells me
the critical consensus is that the music is glorious but the 
drama is a bit of a mess.   I haven't got the rest of the fall 
MOT schedule handy.
 
Ann Arbor Symphony offers Bizet's CARMEN in a concert presentation
(no sets or staging) at the Michigan Theater; Saturday November 9.
CARMEN is possibly the most popular opera; one of my opera guidebooks
writes that if you don't like CARMEN, maybe you should give up on 
opera completely and move on to something else.    :)

I haven't got the dates, but the University of Michigan School of Music
fall production is Janacek's THE CUNNING LITTLE VIXEN.

And, TV ads report that Andrea Bocelli is singing at The Palace of 
Auburn Hills, that acoustic wonder.  :)


#214 of 221 by krj on Sun Sep 29 17:07:03 2002:

Toledo Opera has Verdi's LA TRAVIATA coming up the weekend of 
October 5, and MOT's second fall opera in Detroit is DON PASQUALE.


#215 of 221 by gelinas on Mon Oct 7 03:27:32 2002:

How bad *are* the acoustics in the Palace?  I've seen nought but the circus
there.


#216 of 221 by albaugh on Mon Oct 28 20:16:51 2002:

I saw the most amazing thing (to me) on cable TV Sunday morning:  On something
calling itself the ARTS channel, there was an item (each item lasting a few
minutes and having a musical piece accompanied by "something" visual) which
in the credits just said "animation" that I can best describe as "claymation".
This one happened to be from Rigoletto (Act I, "The affectionate (?) Duke,
abduction of Gilda").  The characters seemed to be singing in English.  Call
me a "hillbilly" :-) but I wouldn't mind actually possessing (or renting)
video tapes of such a rendering - the entertainment value was high, and I can
appreciate the music.

Thoughts?


#217 of 221 by dbratman on Tue Oct 29 00:02:25 2002:

There was a Claymation Christmas special some years ago that I remember 
fondly.  I liked their "We Three Kings" with the camels singing the 
chorus.


#218 of 221 by coyote on Sat Nov 2 21:36:32 2002:

re 216:
there's an entire video of little opera snippets set to animation (I think
it's mostly computer animation) call "Opera Imaginaire" or something like
that.  some of the animation has nothing to do with the music (a la fantasia)
and some of it is a little scene from the story.  it might be distributed by
miramax, but I don't remember.


#219 of 221 by krj on Tue Nov 12 02:04:37 2002:

I've been trying to come up with something to say about the Michigan 
Opera Theater production of Verdi's IL TROVATORE without much success.
Singing in the production was mostly good; acting was just fair.
Dramatically this opera is a bit of a mess, probably because 
the librettest died midway through, if I remember correctly.
 
TROVATORE is one of those improbable opera plots which everyone 
sneers at: two brothers separated at birth on opposite sides of 
a civil war, in love with the same woman.   It's interesting that
TROVATORE is lumped in with two of Verdi's strongest dramas,
RIGOLETTO and LA TRAVIATA, all three premiering in a brief
period in the early 1840s.
 
What makes TROVATORE worthwhile is the music, which is oriented towards 
choruses and ensemble pieces, which I love.  It's always great to 
catch up with one of the mid or late-period Verdi operas which I 
have not seen.
 
Before the show, the director of the company came out to make a pitch
for Proposal K, which was (in part) a plan to get the Detroit suburbs
to kick in some millage money for the Detroit cultural institutions.
"Arts, Parks and Kids" it was called.  I didn't hear if it passed.

-----

Coming up this weekend:  Janacek's THE CUNNING LITTLE VIXEN, presented 
by UM School of Music.  I think it's at Power Center, but I'm not sure.
Sung in Czech with projected English titles.


#220 of 221 by coyote on Tue Nov 12 17:32:28 2002:

(yes, it's at the power center)


#221 of 221 by krj on Sat Mar 6 04:16:37 2004:

UM School of Music's spring opera offering is DON GIOVANNI.  
Mozart's setting of the tale of Don Juan is one of the best and 
most popular operas, and it will be performed in the cozy confines 
of Lydia Mendelsohn Theater: it's almost guaranteed to sell out.    
Four performances, March 25-28.  Call the League Ticket Office at 
734-764-2538 or peek at http:///www.uprod.music.umich.edu


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