Grex Cinema Conference

Item 62: Grex goes to the movies-- the Spring Movie Review item

Entered by richard on Sun Mar 21 03:30:25 2004:

57 new of 278 responses total.


#222 of 278 by twenex on Tue Jun 8 19:08:34 2004:

Yep - and the device of having Arthur pull the Sword out the Stone is probably
simply a mythical or fictional one to get around #213.


#223 of 278 by tod on Tue Jun 8 19:12:29 2004:

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#224 of 278 by anderyn on Tue Jun 8 19:31:12 2004:

Richard: re212: Hmmm. Guess my suspension of disbelief is way lower than yours
about belly-dancers in England. In 500 or thereabouts. Nope. Sorry, I don't
think the Celts were really into belly-dancing in Middle Eastern costumes.
And Igraine was definitely a Queen. So nope. Again, I'm not buying it. And
I still hate the "rape" by Uther while in full plate. Dumb dumb dumb. I am
a full Sir Thomas Malory Le Mort d'Arthur canon-fiend (or, if pressed, I'd
go with Giraldus or the Welsh Triads, all of which have some pretty definitive
Arthurian material), but Borman just doesn't cut it. (Neither does Marion
Zimmer Bradley's uber-feminist Mists of Avalon, to be fair.)   I admit that
the real (if there was a real true person who was Arthur) would have been
probably a Romano-British war leader, but I happen to go with the full
mythological Malory figure for my Arthur. 

About the music in "Shrek 2" -- it didn't seem obtrusive during the movie,
to the point that I'm still not sure where most of the music on the soundtrack
album was actually used (I know where maybe 5 songs were in the movie,
"Accidentally in Love" at the beginning, "Funkytown" and the Tom Waits song,
and of course both fairy godmother numbers and "Livin' La Vida Loca"...). I
bought the album because I wanted to get the version of "La Vida" (I'm a
sucker for Puss and Donkey, what can I say? I want to get boots for my cat!)
but I like more than threequarters of it quite a bit. I particularly like the
Pete Yorn song, after the Fairy Godmother's version of "Holding Out..." and
the Counting Crows song. I was particularly shocked to find myself actually
semi-enjoying the Tom Waits song, since I don't like Tom Waits's voice at all,
and I don't do black depressive songs.


#225 of 278 by gull on Tue Jun 8 19:36:51 2004:

Re resp:206: I liked it for the same reason you disliked it.  It didn't
try to be chipper.  It was sort of the "Emperor Strikes Back" of Harry
Potter movies.

I haven't read any of the books except the first one, but my friend who
has tells me the dark tone is consistent with the book.  He also warns
me that the next one is even darker.


Re resp:208: I still found the computer-animated humans a little creepy
at first, but after the first few minutes of the film I didn't notice
anymore.


Re resp:224: Careful.  Tom Waits is an acquired taste, and if you manage
to acquire it you may find yourself hooked. ;>  I first encountered his
music on the _12 Monkeys_ soundtrack.  ("Earth Died Screaming", another
cheerful party song.)


#226 of 278 by mcnally on Tue Jun 8 21:01:46 2004:

re #224:

> I particularly like the Pete Yorn song..

Ouch..  The Buzzcocks' original of "Ever Fallen in Love" is a pop music
masterpiece -- a bouncy, high energy two-minute gem that was an almost
perfect blend of punk and power pop.  Yorn's cover version, used on
the soundtrack, might well be the best track in the movie, and it's
also better (in my opinion) than anything on his breakthrough album
"musicforthemorningafter" but it's just so.. lacking.. compared to
the original..  I'm really trying NOT to be a pop culture snob but it's
distressing (in a small way) to think that there are people whose only
experience with the song will cause them to remember it as "the Pete Yorn
song from Shrek 2"  Even if you enjoy Yorn's version of the song, however,
it's not a very good choice for the scene it accompanies in the movie
(which [mild spoiler] is a chase scene in the potion works.)  There are
plenty of movies which feature music I don't like which nevertheless
manage to use their music more effectively than I thought "Shrek 2" did 
and which didn't leave me with a feeling of jarring disconnect between
what was happening on-screen and in the story with what I was hearing in
the music..

> I was particularly shocked to find myself actually semi-enjoying the
> Tom Waits song, since I don't like Tom Waits's voice at all, and I don't
> do black depressive songs.

If you don't do bleak, downbeat songs I doubt that you're in any danger of
winding up a Tom Waits fan, as warned in #225, but even singing his own
songs I find Waits' voice works very well for some songs, not well for others.
If you develop an interest in hearing more of Waits' work I recommend the
album "Rain Dogs" as the best starting place.


#227 of 278 by scott on Tue Jun 8 23:11:17 2004:

I just saw "Shrek 2", and while I agree the songs were slightly excessive,
overally it was a very funny movie.


#228 of 278 by gull on Wed Jun 9 15:13:39 2004:

Agreed that his voice works well for some songs and not others.  I'm
sure there's disagreement about which ones, too.  For example, I like
his version of "Downtown Train" a lot better than Rod Stewart's, but I'm
sure there are many people who feel otherwise.


#229 of 278 by mcnally on Wed Jun 9 16:42:53 2004:

  Now there's another depressing thought, though you're undoubtedly right.
  I have a visceral dislike of Rod Stewart which no doubt colors my 
  opinion on this issue..


#230 of 278 by gregb on Wed Jun 9 17:28:42 2004:

Re. 225:  I didn't "dislike" it.  I was just dissapointed that it didn't
match the spirit of the first two.  I'm glad that ther'll be another
film and I'll certainly be there opening weekend to see it.


#231 of 278 by glenda on Wed Jun 9 20:05:19 2004:

Film 4 is due out in 2005, film 5 is scheduled to be out in 2007.  That will
take it out to the current book.


#232 of 278 by pgreen on Wed Jun 9 20:06:17 2004:

Hi, Glenda!


#233 of 278 by gregb on Thu Jun 10 17:01:22 2004:

Re. 231:  Any idea why not 2006?


#234 of 278 by anderyn on Thu Jun 10 18:31:12 2004:

Probably due to special effects?


#235 of 278 by gregb on Thu Jun 10 18:55:03 2004:

Doubtful, considering how many FX were in the last two films.


#236 of 278 by mcnally on Thu Jun 10 19:10:30 2004:

  My guess would be to avoid a 3-year gap between film 5 and film 6
  (assuming there ever is a film 6.)  The spacing between the books
  has been growing greater and greater and the films take at least
  a year of work to produce *after* the book has been finished.
  Keeping the series relatively evenly spaced-out is probably somewhat
  important to the producers.



#237 of 278 by glenda on Thu Jun 10 21:34:46 2004:

Some of the extra time is so that the kids can actually spend some time at
real schools.  I just read an article about the actor that plays Malfoy.  He
said that he is putting college off for a year to finish filming #4.  There
was a gap between 3 & 4 so that one of them could catch up on school work.
It has to be hard working around school and labor issues with kids of this
age on projects this big.


#238 of 278 by tod on Fri Jun 11 17:28:52 2004:

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#239 of 278 by tpryan on Sun Jun 13 04:38:36 2004:

        Saw Shrek2.  Okay, Love Potion No. IX.  I got it.
Also saw Harry Potter.  I wanna ride on the Magic Bus.
Saw "Saved" earlier tonight.  A bit of commentary on "Christian Life".


#240 of 278 by remmers on Sun Jun 13 14:40:21 2004:

I would like to report that "The Day After Tomorrow" is the best
movie I ever saw in Sedalia, Missouri.


#241 of 278 by gull on Sun Jun 13 16:01:39 2004:

I'm guessing it's also the ONLY movie you've ever seen in Sedalia, 
Missouri?


#242 of 278 by richard on Tue Jun 15 04:33:40 2004:

Saw "Harry Potter and Prisoner of Azkiban"-- my feeling is that the movie is
too rushed, and certain details are sacrificed as a result.  I know the studio
didn't want a three hour+ movie, but the books are so detailed that you can't
do them justice without enough time.  It was still a good movie but I wanted
it to be more than it was.

I shudder to think that they might try to bring "Goblet of Fire" in at 2 hrs.
and 25 mins or less


#243 of 278 by mcnally on Tue Jun 15 05:43:37 2004:

  I also saw "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban" this weekend
  and agree with Richard's criticism.  Even at 2 1/2 hours it was rushed
  to the point where substantial story cuts had to be made, eliminating
  crucial exposition and obfuscating character motivations.  

  Discussing the movie afterwards with Cathy it was clear to both of us
  that the problem is only going to get worse as the series progresses.
  If you look at the books next to each other on the shelf each book is
  noticably thicker than the volume that precedes it and the last couple
  of books have taken a huge leap over the first three.  This can't help
  but be a problem for filmmakers trying to continue the series.

  I thought that the new look for the series was interesting.  A much,
  much larger portion of this movie takes place outside Hogwarts' castle,
  much of it in the outdoors.  The protagonists wear "muggle" clothes
  throughout all but a small part of the movie.  The lesser characters
  have largely slipped away into the margins; they get very little screen
  time and do almost nothing to further the story.  And of course the new
  Dumbledore sucks, but what are you going to do when your original actor
  dies?


#244 of 278 by albaugh on Tue Jun 15 15:01:40 2004:

Took the boys to see Garfield.  Not great.  Good clean family fun, I guess.
This screen version of eats, but he doesn't, can't, ... well, you'll just have
to see the film to understand what I'm hinting at.  :-)


#245 of 278 by twenex on Tue Jun 15 15:15:10 2004:

Didn't even know there was a Garfield film. Thanks for the warning.


#246 of 278 by tpryan on Tue Jun 15 16:24:00 2004:

        They should have gotten Gandalf to stand in for Dumbledore.


#247 of 278 by remmers on Tue Jun 15 17:19:15 2004:

Re #241:  No, I've actually seen two movies in Sedalia, Missouri.
"Day After Tomorrow" recently, and "Forces of Nature" a few years
ago.  Didn't think either was particularly good, but "Day After
Tomorrow" was marginally better.


#248 of 278 by tod on Tue Jun 15 17:24:40 2004:

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#249 of 278 by rcurl on Tue Jun 15 18:09:26 2004:

They've got to be concerned in Redondo Beach - they are onlly 59 feet above
MSL.


#250 of 278 by tod on Tue Jun 15 18:10:43 2004:

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#251 of 278 by krj on Thu Jun 17 19:44:35 2004:

Mike in resp:242 :: in press stories around the time of the first
Harry Potter movie, director/series producer Chris Columbus was saying 
that the fourth book would have to be split into two films.  
But I have not heard anything to indicate that this realization 
is affecting the current filming of Potter #4.


#252 of 278 by twenex on Thu Jun 17 19:46:14 2004:

Are the King and Queen of Spain financing the next one?


#253 of 278 by gull on Fri Jun 18 17:03:33 2004:

Re resp:250: I thought it was pretty funny when the reporter got smacked
by the billboard.


#254 of 278 by richard on Sat Jun 19 02:40:41 2004:

THE TERMINAL--  New Steven Spielberg/Tom Hanks movie about a tourist from
a small eastern european country who arrives at JFK airport in New York,
and finds out that while he was in the air, there was a coup d'etat in his
country.  Since his government has been overthrown, his passport and his
visa are invalidated and he is not allowed to enter the U.S.  He is also
not allowed to leave the U.S. for the same reasons.  He is stuck in limbo.
This is like Tom Hanks' "Survivor" movie, except instead of being stranded
on a desert island, he is stranded in a big airport with no money (he
can't exchange his currency since his government was overthrown), no
friends and little command of english.  We follow Hanks, as this eastern
european tourist, around as he tries to eat, sleep and survive in a
hostile, foreign environment where the authorities tell him that he
"doesn't count", that he has fallen into diplomatic limbo and is expected
to just disappear into the airport crowds.

The story sounds preposterous, to get stuck in an airport for more than a
year, but it is in fact based on a true story.  There really was/maybe
still is a guy who got stuck in such limbo at DeGaulle airport in Paris
and ended up living there.  The story is true, they just changed the
location to New York.

The movie is a bit long.  A 2 1/2 hour movie where the entire movie takes
place in a busy airport can get tedious.  JFK airport, where this takes
place, is my home airport and I've had my share of travel issues there
over the years.  But anyone who has ever had to spend a night in an
airport due to missed flights, bad weather or airline snafus, will be able
to identify with this movie.

Hanks and Catherine Zeta Jones, who plays this stewardess who keeps coming
through the airport off of flights and befriends him, and Stanley Tucci as
the head of airport security, are all terrrific.  The movie is I think
about the natural desire we all have to have identity and be acknowledged,
and the fear you can have of finding yourself becoming irrelevant and
disappearing into the system and wondering if anybody cares.

The ending is particularly poignant, which I won't give away except to say
Hanks's character has come to America to finish something his late father
started.  Because by doing so, he can have closure and feel like he has
somehow expressed the importance of his father's life, that he was alive,
that he was somebody.  The irony is that in the course of doing this, he
has seemed to lose his own identity, lose his country, his passport, his
money.  This is a Spielberg film though, so you know it has a happy
ending.  Spielberg would never leave one of his characters trapped at JFK
airport forever! 

Good movie, as long as you don't hate airports.


#255 of 278 by richard on Sat Jun 19 02:57:17 2004:

Note, the Tom Hanks "Survivor" movie I was comparing "The Terminal" to,
was of course "Cast Away"  Of which there are a lot of parallells, as
anybody trapped in a foreign airport where they don't know the language
and have no money, might well feel like they may as well be on a desert
island


#256 of 278 by slynne on Sat Jun 19 19:41:45 2004:

SAVED

My friend Kate wanted to see a movie this weekend. I let her choose 
because there arent any movies out there that I feel I just *have* to 
see. She chose "Saved". 

I hadnt even heard of it so I did a quick search on the internet. When 
I first read a plot synopsis I wasnt sure this would be a very good 
movie. I heard that it was about high school students at a Christian 
high school. One of them got pregnant . I figured it would be some 
weird drama about teen pregnancy in what I often view as the rigid 
world of fundamental Christianity. 

My little web search turned up two other tidbits about this movie. One 
was that it starred Macaulay Culkin which made me even more worried 
about how this film would turn out. I wasnt really sure how well he 
would be as an adult actor. The second thing I learned was that this 
movie was produced by Michael Stipe. I have long been a fan of Michael 
Stipe's and I have listened to interviews with him on the subject of 
religion. I also know that he is from the south which is a place often 
referred to as "The Bible Belt" by us yankees in our more rude moments. 
This had me curious. Maybe this wasnt the Christian melodrama I was 
expecting. 

It turned out to be quite different from my expectations. In a general 
way, while there were aspects of the dramatic and I found myself crying 
a couple of times, it was mostly a comedy. And quite a good one at 
least from my point of view which is one of an outsider peering into 
the world of fundamental christianity with it's christian rock groups 
and clean cut kids and "Jesus loves You" bumper stickers. 

I was also pretty impressed with the way it used satire to explore some 
of the more fundamental Christian values such as forgiveness, 
tolerence, kindness, etc. In a strange way, it was almost a modern film 
adaptation of that familiar bible story, The Good Samaritan.

Macaulay Culkin, btw, seems to have come into this own as an actor. The 
rest of the cast was pretty good too. All in all, I was pleasantly 
surprised and probably will let Kate pick the movie again ;) 


#257 of 278 by tpryan on Sun Jun 20 00:32:50 2004:

        I enjoyed the "I'm more Saved than you competition".
A great line--after Mary had a Bible thrown at her by the cheif
bitch, she turns around, picks it up and says "This is not
a weapon".


#258 of 278 by klg on Sun Jun 20 01:15:57 2004:

1.  Terminal is not a "true story."  It is loosely (very loosely) 
based upon an actual occurance.

2.  Stanley Tucci is not "the head of airport security."  He is in the 
process of being promoted to chief of the INS bureau at the airport.

3.  It is not a good movie.  It is a fair (very fair) movie.  If you 
miss seeing it, don't be disappointed.


#259 of 278 by pgreen on Sun Jun 20 01:16:23 2004:

You're loosely (very loosely) based on an actual person.


#260 of 278 by richard on Sun Jun 20 05:01:23 2004:

re: Saved...I want to see that because the movie's producer is REM's
Michael Stipe.  He's got a pretty good second career going, he also
prodeuced Being John Malkovich, which I really liked


#261 of 278 by tod on Mon Jun 21 15:55:49 2004:

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#262 of 278 by slynne on Mon Jun 21 16:23:28 2004:

The original Stepford Wives is very creepy. I am getting that this 
remake isnt so much. I might have to see it but I think I'll wait until 
it is out on DVD. 


#263 of 278 by tod on Mon Jun 21 16:39:50 2004:

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#264 of 278 by furs on Mon Jun 21 16:53:09 2004:

I went and saw Dodge Ball this weekend, which was one of the funniest 
movies I've seen in a while.  There are a lot of details they added 
it, which just added to more fun.  I can't remember laughing out loud 
so much in a movie.


#265 of 278 by tod on Mon Jun 21 17:31:25 2004:

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#266 of 278 by jvmv on Tue Jun 22 05:59:26 2004:

     Is Ben Stiller a director? Well, then I'm Hitchcock.
     What happened to Ben? He used to be funny.
     "He should go to the Derek Zoolander school for
     kids that can't read scripts good".
     Ben has great performance as actor. That's all.



#267 of 278 by furs on Tue Jun 22 13:26:40 2004:

If you like zoolander, you'll love dodge ball.  Humor is similar.


#268 of 278 by jvmv on Wed Jun 23 06:17:43 2004:

 
     Zoolander is one Ben's worst films.
     He got into trouble trying to do two things
     at the same time: director & actor.
     Ben is a great actor but a terrible director.



#269 of 278 by tod on Wed Jun 23 17:25:55 2004:

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#270 of 278 by jvmv on Thu Jun 24 05:51:57 2004:

     No way. It doesn't make sense tod. Why would I be 
     offended? I am not pretty heheh. I like comedies a lot.
     Moreover, I like Ben's work. He has a characteristic
     humor.
     But I have critical sense and I think Ben gave director
     all his attention. That's, he couldn't work that much.



#271 of 278 by tod on Thu Jun 24 17:42:02 2004:

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#272 of 278 by jvmv on Fri Jun 25 06:03:53 2004:

     His performance could be better.
     Ben's best performances are with common stories.
     Zoolander, filmed in NY and LA, Ben directs, writes
     producers this movie. What did he prove with that?
     He proved that he doesn't have talent to be director,
     writer and producer at the same time.
     A good idea isn't ehough, it's necessary talent.
     Honestly, he went TOO far.



#273 of 278 by tod on Fri Jun 25 16:00:03 2004:

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#274 of 278 by jvmv on Sat Jun 26 06:37:10 2004:

     Compared to films previous of him.
     Well, I know the difference between novella and
     comedy. My critic is only related to Ben's work
     as director.
     And, how I said before, what harmed his performance
     was the desire to do a lot of things at the
     same time.



#275 of 278 by tod on Sun Jun 27 18:40:51 2004:

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#276 of 278 by jvmv on Mon Jun 28 06:16:50 2004:

 
     It's no wonder that meybe another rewrite 'from the
     truth' was needed.
     The fact is Ben would be better off this way when he
     plays mild-mannered characters who get into hilarious
     trouble like 'Meet the parents'.
     This film is amusing, but not quite funny enough, for
     the most part there are a few laughable moments here &
     there.



#277 of 278 by tod on Mon Jun 28 15:55:05 2004:

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#278 of 278 by jvmv on Tue Jun 29 07:28:38 2004:

   
     *This film is amusing...I mean t Zoolander :(



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