Grex Cinema Conference

Item 62: Grex goes to the movies-- the Spring Movie Review item

Entered by richard on Sun Mar 21 03:30:25 2004:

262 new of 278 responses total.


#17 of 278 by mcnally on Thu Mar 25 17:40:22 2004:

 The BBC is reporting
 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3563405.stm) that Monty Python's
 "Life of Brian" will enjoy a theatrical re-release this year and be marketed
 as an alternative to Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ."

 I find the idea to be in amusingly bad taste and support it for no better
 reason than that it's sure to offend a lot of people who could really stand
 to have their buttons pushed. 


#18 of 278 by other on Thu Mar 25 17:41:30 2004:

What mcnally said.  (#17)


#19 of 278 by albaugh on Thu Mar 25 17:56:02 2004:

"The Passion of the Brian"


#20 of 278 by gregb on Thu Mar 25 17:59:17 2004:

"The Passion of the Fruit"


#21 of 278 by albaugh on Thu Mar 25 18:01:47 2004:

"The Brian of the Fruit"


#22 of 278 by tpryan on Thu Mar 25 18:07:23 2004:

        And in Life of Brian, you do see the Full Monty Phyton.
(oh what a beautiful morning).


#23 of 278 by tpryan on Thu Mar 25 18:09:43 2004:

        And a thank you to George Harrison for coming to the 
financial rescue of the Phythons, who had fundig for "Brian"
cut days before filming was to begin.


#24 of 278 by bru on Fri Mar 26 03:48:20 2004:

The jewish suicide squad rocks!


#25 of 278 by parcel on Fri Mar 26 03:55:07 2004:

YEAH


f*r


#26 of 278 by gregb on Fri Mar 26 14:16:25 2004:

I picked up the "Ausstin Powers: Goldmember" DVD recently and I'm not
happy with it.  Not because of the movie itself, that was OK.  No, it's
because of the "Infinifilm" stuff.  It disabled my scan and pause
functions, which means I have to stop the disc, which means I have to
start watching from the beginning of the chapter I was in, which is
ANNOYING!  This is the only DVD I have that does does this so I'm
certain Infinifilm is the culprit.

Has anyone else had similar experiences with Infinifilm DVD's?


#27 of 278 by gull on Fri Mar 26 14:32:59 2004:

I had the same problem with that DVD.  I hope this kind of
control-freakery doesn't become more common.  It reminds me of when
Disney used to disable all the controls during the 'preview of coming
attractions' segment, so you had to watch it all the way through every time.


#28 of 278 by tod on Fri Mar 26 16:49:33 2004:

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#29 of 278 by klg on Fri Mar 26 17:08:39 2004:

From the story of Hanukah:

The family of Mattathias became known as the Maccabees, from the Hebrew 
word for "hammer," because they were said to strike hammer blows 
against their enemies.


#30 of 278 by gregb on Fri Mar 26 17:14:08 2004:

Re. 27: Do U remember which Disney DVD's did that, so I can avoid them?

For those who want to avoid Infinifilm films, they include:

     Blow                Friday After Next
     13 Days           Goldmember
     Rush Hour 2     John Q
     15 Minutes       Destination 2



#31 of 278 by krj on Fri Mar 26 19:59:36 2004:

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#32 of 278 by krj on Fri Mar 26 20:01:36 2004:

Rather than derail the discussion of the content of what's showing
on the movie and video screen, I'll start the new incarnation of the 
copyright/napster items.


#33 of 278 by edina on Fri Mar 26 20:04:37 2004:

Snarkiness need not apply.


#34 of 278 by soup on Mon Mar 29 01:44:01 2004:

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#35 of 278 by maryeliz on Mon Mar 29 03:57:10 2004:

Okay i just saw "Dawn of the dead" today and i thought it was pretty good.
I didn't see the original and before today i didn't even know there was an
original. I suggest that if anyone has interests in horror movies that you
go and check out this movie.


#36 of 278 by krj on Mon Mar 29 05:57:12 2004:

We stumbled over "What A Girl Wants" on HBO last night and watched 
it all the way through; then went out today and rented the DVD so we 
could see the first 20 minutes.  Rather a decent piece of Hollywood 
fluff, as a 17-year-old American goes off to Britain in search of 
her absent aristocrat father, played by Colin Firth.  Jeff would 
probably object to all the British stereotypes.


#37 of 278 by twenex on Mon Mar 29 13:52:44 2004:

They oughtta make a film full of American stereotypes, and see if the people
who moan about Brits who moan about British stereotypes laugh on the other
side of their faces.

Just saw "Love, Actually." Quite good, actually.


#38 of 278 by gull on Mon Mar 29 15:16:10 2004:

Re resp:37: Aren't most films full of American stereotypes?


#39 of 278 by gregb on Mon Mar 29 15:26:29 2004:

Re. 37: Actually, it's been done, sortof.  Martin Mull did a
"mockumentary" back in the '80s called "The History of White People in
America."  It was full of WASP stereotypical traits and such.  Quite
funny, as I recall.


#40 of 278 by mcnally on Mon Mar 29 17:52:47 2004:

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#41 of 278 by edina on Mon Mar 29 19:45:16 2004:

"Love, Actually" is a great film.  

I saw "Jersey Girl" yesterday.  Went in with low expectations after the
reviews and ended up enjoying it a great deal.  Carlin is awesome, Raquel
Castro is a total find and Affleck is, well Affleck.  Jason Lee and Matt Damon
have cameos, as does Will Smith and there is a good deal of humor.  


#42 of 278 by twenex on Mon Mar 29 20:10:54 2004:

Re: #38: I don't know, are they?

I can see this morphing into a discussion that should be in aggro. I HOPE it
doesn't morph into a bitching match.


#43 of 278 by parcel on Mon Mar 29 20:21:06 2004:

Re. 38: you can't say that about French film.w.


#44 of 278 by furs on Mon Mar 29 20:53:06 2004:

Taking Lives pretty much sucked.  It was way contrived, and there were 
a ton of plot holes.  There was a little suspense, but I spent most of 
the movie trying to figure out how they had pieced things together so 
easily and why certain things happened for not apparent reason other 
than to starttle me.


#45 of 278 by scott on Mon Mar 29 22:51:38 2004:

Finally saw "Lost in Translation" (on DVD) a couple days ago.  Great movie!
Slow moving, but interesting.


#46 of 278 by parcel on Mon Mar 29 23:05:01 2004:

allo, scott


#47 of 278 by mcnally on Mon Mar 29 23:25:04 2004:

  I also rented "Lost in Translation" this weekend and saw it for the
  first time.  I very much enjoyed it and thought it did a great job
  of demonstrating just how strange and disorienting it can be to be
  alone in a strange place.  Cathy, however, found it slow and unengaging
  and had to battle against sleep.  I agree that it wasn't what I'd call
  energetic or even plot-driven but I quite enjoyed it for what it was..


#48 of 278 by parcel on Mon Mar 29 23:30:57 2004:

allo, mcnally


#49 of 278 by richard on Tue Mar 30 03:44:47 2004:

DOGVILLE--  Saw this over the weekend.  It is danish director Lars Von 
Trier's (director of "Breaking the Waves") answer to Mel Gibson's "The 
Passion of the Christ"  Except instead of Jerusalem, the town is in the 
American midwest in the 1930's, and the Christ figure is played not by 
Jim Caviezel, but by Nicole Kidman.  She plays this young girl with a 
heart of gold who is on the run from the mob, and ends up hiding out in 
the small all american town of Dogville.  There she befriends a John 
Boy Walton type played by Paul Bettany (who was the doctor in Master 
and Commander)  Except Bettany isn't just a John Boy Walton in this 
movie, he's Judas of course.  Bettany's character convinces Kidman to 
stay in Dogville and give of her life, heart and time to the 
townspeople, who need her help even though they are too proud to 
actually admit it.

Kidman spends her days going around the small town, meeting and helping 
each of the townspeople, and saving each in their own way, giving each 
what they are missing in their lives.  She believes in these poor 
people even when they're beaten down by life and really don't believe 
in themselves.  Kidman becomes part of this small town and dedicates 
her life to helping these people.  All is well until the cops come 
looking for Kidman, and tell the townspeople she's suspected of 
something.  In this telling, the cops and the mafia are analagous to 
the Romans, and the townspeople are of course the Jews.   The story 
takes the predicted dark turn where we find out the townspeople aren't 
nearly so nice and wholesome as they seem at first.

The movie comes down to the choices Kidman makes, how she feels about 
the town, and what will happen in the end when she finally assumes the 
power from her "father", revealed as we suspect all along of course to 
be the chosen one, and must pass judgement on these people.  

Von Trier takes a dark, cynical view of the world, and the name of the 
town, "Dogville" seems to indicate that at least at times he sees most 
people as no better than dogs.

This is unlike any movie you've ever seen.  It is 3+ hours long and 
broken into nine chapters, with voice over narration by John Hurt (in 
style, it is patterned after the play "Our Town"), and takes place 
entirely on a soundstage, with the town, the roads, the trees and much 
of everything else drawn conceptually in chalk lines on the floor.  
Don't let that turn you off, you get used to it after a while, and Von 
Trier takes this approach on purpose I think to underscore the idea 
that this is about the characters, the people, and only the people are 
real.

"Dogville" is a bit long, but its a great film, completely engrossing.  
Nicole Kidman gives a great star performance and is in virtually every 
frame of the movie.  I give her credit for agreeing to be in somethign 
this controversial and experimental.  In addition to Bettany, the film 
also has terrific performances from Ben Gazzara, Blair Brown, Chloe 
Sevigny and others as the townspeople, and also an old favorite of mine 
James Caan who plays a pivotal role at the end.  

Some of you won't like this movie, and Von Trier has been accused by 
some of being anti-american.  But I think "Dogville" is a fine, pointed 
commentary on the state of life in modern society.  I highly recommend 
this movie.

(Oh and be sure to stay for the end credits, the montage shown during 
the closing credits is pretty powerful, showing pictures of actual 
early twentieth century townspeople, such as are depicted in the movie, 
being cruel to each other.  The montage is done to David Bowie's 
song "Young Americans".  Okay its a bit much but if you see this movie, 
you'll agree that the montage makes a hell of an epilogue to it)



#50 of 278 by albaugh on Tue Mar 30 17:52:17 2004:

A subtlety from "Cats & Dogs" - One of the leading dogs, after something bad
happened, uttered "Son of my mother!"  :-)


#51 of 278 by twenex on Tue Mar 30 17:55:00 2004:

Heh. Interestingly, one of the (many) words for "son of a bitch" in Spanish
is "hijo de tu madre" - "son of your mother " ("but who is your father"?
implied)


#52 of 278 by tpryan on Tue Apr 6 16:30:50 2004:

        I'm having some Banquet Lassagana for lunch.


#53 of 278 by gregb on Wed Apr 7 16:13:17 2004:

If it's anything like their chicken, you have my sympathies.

Watched Holloywood Homicide yesterday.  Can't say I was impressed.  The 
pacing was, IMO, way off.  The first hour everything moved very slow, 
while the second things were constantly GO GO GO!

Norally, I like comedies with Harrison Ford, but this one really missed 
the mark.  The jokes and one-liners seemed contrived and forced--and 
there wasn't much of them to begin with (which, in retrospect, was a 
good thing).  It seemed like this was a drama trying to be a comedy and 
didn't know how.


#54 of 278 by mcnally on Wed Apr 7 16:25:18 2004:

  re #53:  "Hollywood Homicide" was terrible.  Harrison Ford must've
  owed somebody a really big favor..


#55 of 278 by scott on Wed Apr 7 16:32:52 2004:

Rented "Underworld" yesterday.  It lives up to its reviews; lots of action,
a somewhat overburdened plot device, and forgettable acting.


#56 of 278 by anderyn on Wed Apr 7 17:55:00 2004:

I ejoyed "Hollywood Homicide" at the theater last year. It wasn't my favorite
movie, but it was fun enough for a matinee. I thought the best line was about
the donut, though the duelling cell phones during the interrogations were cute
too. (I may have a higher tolerance for the jokes since I rarely go to "funny"
movies and they may have been fresher for me in that respect.)


#57 of 278 by tod on Wed Apr 7 19:21:40 2004:

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#58 of 278 by edina on Wed Apr 7 19:31:52 2004:

Yes, my little anal dwelling but monkey?


#59 of 278 by tod on Wed Apr 7 19:32:51 2004:

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#60 of 278 by twenex on Wed Apr 7 19:41:15 2004:

I enjoyed Bruce Almighty. Haven't seen the film "Gandhi".


#61 of 278 by tod on Wed Apr 7 19:48:15 2004:

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#62 of 278 by novomit on Thu Apr 8 12:46:38 2004:

Ben Kingsley = Overrated.


#63 of 278 by gregb on Thu Apr 8 16:13:18 2004:

Bruce Almighty was great.  Picked up the DVD a few months ago.  Ever 
since Carry's been doing less wild comedies, like "Liar Liar," "The 
Truman Show," etc., he's gained more respect in my book.  My fav line 
in BA is when God tells him he's dead...

   Bruce: "Really?!"
   God:  "Naw, I'm just messing with'ya."


#64 of 278 by twenex on Thu Apr 8 20:30:51 2004:

<Bruce walks past a girl wearing a skirt and turns round and blows a huge wind
in her dirextion, blowing up said skirt and showing her panties>

"He saw it and it was GOOD!"

rotfl.


#65 of 278 by krokus on Thu Apr 8 21:13:31 2004:

Saw Hellboy over the weekend, didn't feel like I wasted my money.  I
did like how they showed some different types of "heros" in use, and
they wern't these perfect beings, they have some serious eccentricites.


#66 of 278 by richard on Fri Apr 9 04:05:53 2004:

re #62-- "Ben Kingsley is overrated"  You obviously don't know much about
acting.  SIR Ben Kingsley was for many years, well before he did "Gandhi",
considered one of the great Shakespearean stage actors in the world.  He
was one of the stars of the Royal Shakespeare Company for two decades.

When Kingsley did "Gandhi", he famously starved himself and subjected
himself to the same conditions that Gandhi endured when he did his fasts.
He also as I recall refused payment for acting in Gandhi, believing that
being of Indian descent, it would be wrong to play a role that important--
Gandhi being a holy figure there-- for material gain.  Similarly when he
did "Schindler's List", Kingsley, as did Steven Spielberg and some of the
other cast-- donated his salary to help fund The Shoah Foundation.

Go see "House of Sand and Fog" sometime if you think Kingsley is
overrated.  Or better yet, fly to England the next time Kingsley is on
stage playing the title role in "Othello" or as Ariel in "The Tempest"
That is if you can get tickets.


#67 of 278 by other on Fri Apr 9 12:44:44 2004:

I enjoyed his Feste in the film version of "Twelfth Night" but the 
live performance of the role by the Globe Theatre company I saw was 
better, a little.


#68 of 278 by edina on Fri Apr 9 13:45:14 2004:

Yeah, I too agree that Kingsley is amazing.  I still think of him looking at
Neeson in Schindler's List saying "The list is life" and get chills.


#69 of 278 by gregb on Sat Apr 10 17:53:53 2004:

Last night I learned about a movie coming out on May 28 called "The Day
After Tomorrow," which looks interesting.  It's about the environment
running rampant.  What's kinda scary is that the production team based
much of what you see on projected weather patterns that are occuring now
around the world.  Their Web site is www.thedayaftertomorrow.com.


#70 of 278 by dbratman on Sun Apr 11 15:43:22 2004:

I do not consider Ben Kingsley over-rated, but none of the arguments in 
post 66 prove that he isn't.

Being Sir Ben doesn't mean he's a good actor.  Donating his salary 
doesn't mean he's a good actor.  Even being a star doesn't mean he's a 
good actor.  Mind you, I do think he's a good actor, but none of those 
things demonstrate it.

And being a good actor doesn't mean he isn't an over-rated actor.  Mind 
you, I don't think he is an over-rated actor, but one can be both good 
and over-rated at the same time.


#71 of 278 by twenex on Sun Apr 11 22:56:06 2004:

Erm, yes they can.


#72 of 278 by gregb on Wed Apr 14 15:19:19 2004:

Seems to me whether an acter/actress is good/bad over/under-rated is 
purely an individual perception.  Same with most anything.  That's why 
I never listen to critics.


#73 of 278 by gull on Thu Apr 15 16:53:49 2004:

Re resp:63: Morgan Freeman as God was great casting. :>


I rented "Space Truckers", mostly out of curiousity, since it was on an
Internet list of underrated movies.  It was okay, in a TV
movie-of-the-week sort of way.  I disagree with the author of the list
who claimed it was "what The Fifth Element should have been."  It wasn't
quite high-budget enough to be *good* good, and not quite fun enough to
be cheesy good.  Dennis Hopper rescued it from forgettable awfulness,
but not by much.

I can't recommend renting this; watch it if it ever airs on basic cable.
 It'd fit right in with TNT's "Movies for Guys Who Like Movies" lineup.


#74 of 278 by realugly on Thu Apr 15 19:21:37 2004:

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#75 of 278 by scott on Thu Apr 15 19:59:58 2004:

Re 73:  That's weird, I just rented "Space Truckers" last week.  I think there
might have been a Simpsons or Futurama reference that was taken from that
movie, but aside from that it was nice to finally sate my curiosity about the
movie.


#76 of 278 by gull on Thu Apr 15 23:29:27 2004:

Re resp:75: Really?  What reference?  It would have gone straight past
me, of course...


#77 of 278 by scott on Fri Apr 16 03:56:04 2004:

I can't remember what the reference was.  :(


#78 of 278 by albaugh on Fri Apr 16 16:56:06 2004:

Does "Space Truckers" have anything to do with Deep Purple's "Space Trucking"
or vice versa?


#79 of 278 by mooncat on Fri Apr 30 00:07:10 2004:

Recently caught a couple of rented movies.

Gothika- Halle Berry, Robert Downey Jr., etc. Not a bad movie, I 
thought it was pretty creepy in parts. I'd explain what it's about - 
but I'm sure most people already know. I thought Ms. Berry did a great 
job, her facial expression of 'I'm horribly confused and my world has 
just crumbled' was great.

Second movie of the evening was "The Singing Detective" with Robert 
Downey Jr (bit of a theme going on). This one didn't impress me so 
much. Basically Downey Jr. is an author who yeara ago wrote a pulp 
novel about a singing detective. The author now has this horrible skin 
condition that has him hospitalized, his hands curled up and unable to 
write/type. Half of the movie is played out in his mind as he relives 
parts of his book- his meds and condition make it hard for him to tell 
the difference between reality and his imagination. 

Mel Gibson is in this movie, though it's kinda hard to recognize him 
without his hairpiece. His character was a lot of fun. Though like I 
said, overall I wasn't really all that impressed with the movie. Kinda 
dragged in parts.

Also went to the theatre to see Kill Bill Volume 2. Was a ton of fun. 
I enjoyed the gartuitous violence in the first movie, as well as 
enjoying the change of pace for Volume 2. Uma Thurman and David 
Carradine had fun performances. I think I may just end up owning these 
two movies, or at least will definitely own the soundtracks (which I 
really liked as well).  See, in the second movie there's actually plot 
development AND character conversation and more background 
information. Amazing. ;) Overall though a lot of fun. 


#80 of 278 by mary on Fri May 7 02:13:49 2004:

"Dogville" is a masterpiece.  Doing more with less the director (with the
help of an amazing cast) takes a look at the nature of power.  Or at least
that's my take on it.  I'm still thinking about the film days later.

I had delayed reading Richard's review of the movie until after
I'd had a chance to see it.  But I think the title is a tribute
to the community's dog.  Richard, consider the opening scene about
the meaty bone and, of course, the very end.  The dog was a significant
character.

And for something totally different but delightful, "Bubba Ho-Tep"
is now available for rent.  Lordy, it's too good.   


#81 of 278 by richard on Sat May 8 02:46:25 2004:

I thought the casting of James Caan at the end of "Dogville" was quite
deliberate.  Caan's best known movie being the GODfather, and here he's
playing the one with the power, who is bestowing the power on his child and
letting his child make the choices.  


#82 of 278 by mary on Sat May 8 11:22:02 2004:

You give away far too much information in your reviews, Richard.


#83 of 278 by edina on Sat May 8 18:39:11 2004:

Maybe - but between you and Richard, I'd still rent or see a film.  You two
have good insights on movies.

I went with a group to see "Van Helsing" last night.  It is so wonderfully
horrible.  


#84 of 278 by anderyn on Sat May 8 20:37:31 2004:

I like spoiler reviews, myself. (I was very happy to read what happens in
Dogville at one review site, since it means I will NEVER go see it. Don't need
to go and be traumatized if there's enough spoilers.)


#85 of 278 by scott on Sat May 8 21:51:38 2004:

The slim possibility of being surprised is all that gets me through some
movies.


#86 of 278 by richard on Sun May 9 02:04:15 2004:

yeah but twila you went and saw "passion of the christ", even though you knew
what was going to happen and you knew it would be traumatizing to watch it...


#87 of 278 by anderyn on Sun May 9 02:21:41 2004:

It was not the same kind of traumatizing. I knew exactly where I would not
watch "Passion" (and I didn't at those points) and I wasn't sure I could sit
through it beforehand, but it ended up being "uplifting" because it did
dramatize the Passion very well and the very close following of the Gospels
also helped. I could detach from the "story" and tick off the Gospel verses.
YMMV. 

And man's inhumanity to man (or woman, I definitely don't do rape movies) is
much more sickening to me than anything else. 



#88 of 278 by richard on Sun May 9 03:03:23 2004:

SUPERSIZE ME--  This is the new documentary by New York filmmaker 
Morgan Spurlock, about the epidemic of unhealthy eating habits in the 
U.S.  The specific targert of Spurlock's investigation is McDonald's.  
It is pointed out that McDonald's says its food is healthy.  So 
Spurlock decides to test that claim himself.  He decides that for one 
month, thirty days, he will eat nothing BUT McDonald's food.  For 
breakfast, lunch and dinner every day for a month, he will eat only 
super sized McDonald's meals.  

So we watch as every day, Spurlock eats double quarter pounder value 
meals and big mac value meals, and big n'tasty value meals, and filet 
o'fish value meals and .etc  We see him going in for breakfast and 
having the McGriddles and the Egg McMuffins.  And always the giant 
sodas and giant fries.  

As the month goes by, he gains twenty five pounds, suffers depression 
and sickness, starts to smell, loses his sex drive, and starts to 
seriuosly gross out his strict vegan girlfriend.  Three weeks in, his 
girlfriend and his doctor are looking at his health stats and begging 
him to quit.  But he vows to keep going for the whole month, because 
this is McDonalds and McD's says their food is healthy and everyone can 
eat their food.

In true Michael Moore style, Spurlock tries to call McDonalds 
management, and tries to get an interview, to confront them with the 
stats and ask why they continue to offer super sizes and say their food 
is healthy.  But of course, the corporate McD's people won't return his 
calls.

We also are shown some of the history of super sizing.  How what we now 
know as the small sizes at McD's used to be the large sizes, and how 
companies like McD's have spent billions in advertising to manipulate 
people-- mostly kids-- to eat larger and larger sized portions.  We see 
obese kids eating huge portions of fries and quarts of Coke.  We see 
fat kids coming out of 7-11 with Double Big Gulp 64-oz cokes.

We are shown some alarming stats about the rising levels of obesity 
among kids under the age of 18 in the U.S.  The U.S. is the fattest 
country in the world and is getting fatter.  And it is all a result of 
manipulative advertising, and the use of high levels of salt and sugar 
in fast food.  We see a group of kids shown pictures of famous people-- 
George Washington, Jesus Christ, George Bush-- and not recognizing any 
of them.  But they all immediately recognize the picture of Ronald 
McDonald.  They can't recite the pledge of allegiance from memory, but 
they can recite various fast food ad jingles.

Spurlock, in between his McD's meals, visits school cafeterias, where 
we see that the kids are often being fed pre-packaged sugary, starchy 
food because its much cheaper than to cook anything fresh.  And how 
many schools are cutting back on P.E. classes because the principals 
would rather have the kids in class studying for those standardized 
tests that determine funding, than being out getting exercise.

We even get to see how they make Chicken McNuggets.  After seeing this 
movie, I never want to eat Chicken McNuggets again.  In fact after 
seeing this film, you won't want to eat at McD's again, or even eat 
agalin at all.  You certainly won't be able to eat without thinking 
long and hard about your food and what is actually in it again.  This 
film is a eye-opener, a fine documentary.  It is pointed out that 
after "Super Size Me" showed at the Sundance film festival, McDonald's 
did announce that they are phasing out super sizes)  It is opening 
nationally and I recommend "Supersize Me"

(p.s. Morgan Spurlock, the director/star, showed up when the credits 
were rolling in the theater to answer questions.  It wasn't any kind of 
special screening, but he lives a couple of blocks away and he said he 
wanted the exercise, as he's been trying to lose weight ever since 
filming ended.  He talked of how his vegan girlfriend put him on a de-
tox vegan diet after he'd gotten so fat from eating nothing but big 
macs for a month.  He looks a lot better in person than he did at the 
end of the film when he was all bloated, so that diet must have worked. 
He says he wants kids to start being educated to eat better and to eat 
smaller portions.)


#89 of 278 by klg on Sun May 9 03:13:14 2004:

(Yet still another example where Herr richard takes an uncritical look 
at an item that appears to confirm his perconceived notions without 
attempting to learn any background as to the actions and underlying 
motivations.)


#90 of 278 by richard on Sun May 9 04:01:58 2004:

klg why are you blaming me?  this is was the filmmaker that came to those
conclusions.  are you saying you never come to your own conclusions?   or that
you somehow do more research than anyone else? how conceited can you get? 
klg you are a narcissist!


#91 of 278 by klg on Sun May 9 14:48:51 2004:

(Herr richard's undies must be too tight.  And he ought to look up 
bigs words before he uses them.)


#92 of 278 by twenex on Sun May 9 18:14:56 2004:

Takes one to know one.


#93 of 278 by realugly on Sun May 9 19:15:53 2004:

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#94 of 278 by mcnally on Sun May 9 20:08:20 2004:

  re #93:  I give it a thumbs down.  The plot wasn't much and the ending
           was completely predictable.


#95 of 278 by klg on Sun May 9 20:42:02 2004:

re:  "#90 Herr(richard):  klg why are you blaming me?  this is was the 
filmmaker that came to those conclusions. "

Oh come on, now, Herr richard!!  You unequivically recommend the film 
without so much as a word of critical comment.  Don't disavow what you 
said.  Stand up like a man (figuratively speaking, of course).


#96 of 278 by fitz on Sun May 9 21:50:21 2004:

American Splendor:  D

Portrays the empty, pathetic life of a would be cartoonist that strikes up
a relationship with Robert Crumb, based on their mutual interests in music
and dispair.  This DVD was completely forgettable, which suggests the
possibility that I've surpressed an unpleasant 90 minutes of my life.

One warning should do:  Crumb is NOT the disfunctional one.  


#97 of 278 by richard on Mon May 10 01:01:46 2004:

re: #96...obviously you disagree with virtually every film critic in the
country, as American Splendor was a widely praised movie.  I really liked
American Splendor, I thought it was a fine study of a dysfunctional person
trying to exist in a "functional" world, and coming to terms with life. 


#98 of 278 by mcnally on Mon May 10 06:15:41 2004:

  re #97:  he's perfectly free to express an opinion on a movie whether
  or not it agrees with "virtually every film critic in the country."


#99 of 278 by klg on Mon May 10 11:20:29 2004:

(Are you certain of that?)


#100 of 278 by cmcgee on Mon May 10 12:27:29 2004:

Reminds me of Chris Potter reviews in the Ann Arbor News.  I could unerringly
spot movies I liked when he panned them.  Most of the ones he was excited
about were ones I'd best avoid.


#101 of 278 by remmers on Mon May 10 15:56:09 2004:

Lots of movies that the critics praised I thought were stinkers.  I did
enjoy "American Splendor", though.  I'm a Robert Crumb fan from 'way back
but pretty much stopped following his career and underground comix
culture after the mid-1970s.  "American Splendor" filled me in on later
developments that I managed to miss.

Re "Dogville":  I'll second (third?) the recommendations above and add
that I think that the film owes much to Lars Von Trier's fellow-countryman
Hans Christian Andersen, who wrote some pretty dark fables of his own.


#102 of 278 by gregb on Mon May 10 16:05:50 2004:

I never listen to critics.  If a movie looks good to me, I'll see it.  
Only once has that method failed me (remake of "The Front Page.")

It's funny when someone says, "yah, that looks good," but if they hear 
a bad review, they go, "boy, I'm glad I didn't waste my time/money on 
that."  Heaven forbid they should actually make up their own minds.


#103 of 278 by anderyn on Mon May 10 17:14:28 2004:

I usually only read critics after I've seen a movie. (Though I do look up
spoiler reviews if I'm worried, as I mentioned above.) 


#104 of 278 by rcurl on Mon May 10 19:11:47 2004:

I've found it pretty consistent that the movies that get a 1/2-star from
reviewers are movies that I *know* I won't like. 


#105 of 278 by richard on Mon May 10 20:12:50 2004:

I always think that a very good sign for a movie is that you have one
critic raving about it, and another hating it.  The best movies provoke
strong reactions, they don't provoke yawns and two star reviews.  The best
movies you either love or hate.  Dogville is like that.  Some critics
hated it, others loved it.  Very few were on the fence.


#106 of 278 by anderyn on Mon May 10 20:57:15 2004:

I tend to disagree with critics pretty much across the board, but I've decided
that this is because what I look for in a movie is not what a movie critic
looks for. I am looking for something that tells a good story with believable
characters that is not set in current life and which has an upbeat ending.
I do not wish to invest my time in something that will depress me. I want
to come out of a movie with a smile on my face. 


#107 of 278 by marcvh on Mon May 10 21:04:23 2004:

Sounds like you should watch movies from the 1930s.


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#109 of 278 by fitz on Mon May 10 21:46:45 2004:

Re #97  I don't take it personally.  I know that some of my reviews are
heavily weighted around the C average, the pressure for grade inflation being
non-existant.  I also knew that American Splendor was rated very highly on
IMDb before I saw the movie.

Nevertheless, I have a modest value to the other grexers who think that
they agreed with my evaluation in the past.  So, I simply see
it as a matter of trusting a friend and knowing something about where you
and your friend have differed in the past.  I guess that this rather
echoes McGee's response #100.


#110 of 278 by bru on Tue May 11 01:21:12 2004:

I don't know, some of the movies made in the 1930's were awful downers


#111 of 278 by rcurl on Tue May 11 01:59:07 2004:

I like tragedies - in movies or in operas. They put me in a more thoughful
mood than comedies or "happy endings", which generally I find pointless or
unrealistic. Also, tragedies have an identifiable *end*, so you are not left
wondering what will happen next.


#112 of 278 by gregb on Tue May 11 14:19:08 2004:

But isn't that why we go to the movies, to get away from our own 
reality?  I'm with Twila.  I want to be entertained, to get my blood 
pumping, to cheer for the underdog...to feel good.  I want to be part 
of a world that doesn't exist yet, or one that has, but twisted around 
somewhat.


#113 of 278 by gull on Tue May 11 15:12:51 2004:

I don't mind a happy ending if it's a reasonable one.  I don't usually
like movies where they really twist things around in unbelievable ways
to get to the happy ending.  I sometimes find a tragic ending kind of
cathartic.


#114 of 278 by aruba on Tue May 11 15:26:17 2004:

I find that depressing movies, especially ones about real people, can haunt
me after I'm done watching.  (That is, I can't get them out of my head for
a long time.)  So I usually avoid those movies now.


#115 of 278 by rcurl on Tue May 11 15:45:03 2004:

My own reality does not include the grand tragedies of opera: if it did,
I would be too busy to go to movies or the theatre (no one in opera ever
goes to the movies - or to the bathroom, for that matter). 


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#117 of 278 by twenex on Tue May 11 16:29:47 2004:

It really annoys me that if they have two people working together and they
strike up a relationship, if it's a tv series or a series of films, they
ALWAYS end up breaking 'em up or killing one or both of 'em off.


#118 of 278 by tpryan on Tue May 11 16:55:44 2004:

        Now if they end that weather movie Day after Tommorrow with
a view of the Great Nebraska Sea, they are not looking for the 
happy ending.


#119 of 278 by rcurl on Tue May 11 17:18:20 2004:

There probably is a nice sunrise.....


#120 of 278 by gull on Tue May 11 20:45:53 2004:

A friend of mine described it as an "Earth snuff film." ;>


#121 of 278 by gregb on Wed May 12 18:20:26 2004:

I watched "A Wrinkle In Time" Monday.  Not bad, but a little too close
to "The Neverending Story" in theme.  I read the book when I was a kid.
 It might'ov been the first sci-fi novel I read, I'm not sure.  From
what I remember, the movie was fairly close to the book, but as in all
Disney flicks, there were notable differences, too.


#122 of 278 by mcnally on Wed May 12 19:55:41 2004:

 re #121:  "A Wrinkle in Time" was a much beloved book from my childhood,
 so I watched the Disney version of it the other night, too (or at least
 the tail end of it..)  I thought it was awful, particularly the alteration
 of the ending so that Meg manages to destroy "It" and liberate the people
 of Camazotz.  Part of what was interesting about L'Engle's books was the
 idea that a character can be heroic without saving the universe; that life
 and death and success and failure can play out on a more familiar scale.
 Changing the protagonist from someone who manages (barely) to save her baby
 brother into someone who liberates a whole planet messes things up
 substantially in my opinion.


#123 of 278 by otter on Sun May 16 22:38:47 2004:

resp:118 Ads for that movie have made me remember a bit from Robin 
Williams "Reality, What a Concept", in which he's a very old man 
talking about past events.
"I remember the Great Quake of '88, when everybody in California surfed 
to Denver".


#124 of 278 by gull on Mon May 17 13:11:03 2004:

"Remember World War Three?  All six seconds of it?"


#125 of 278 by krj on Mon May 17 16:56:51 2004:

"Laws of Attraction":  Decent romantic comedy; not the best movie ever
made, and the ending is a bit flimsy, but it delivers on its promises
and it's nice to see Pierce Brosnan in a movie where he's not killing
people.   Brosnan and Julianne Moore are two high-powered divorce 
lawyers, on opposite sides of cases, and Brosnan takes a liking to 
Moore.  Nice to see SNL's Nora Dunn (remember her?) as a judge.
 
Speaking of Brosnan's franchise role: I hadn't heard this before 
until Leslie mentioned it, but it's confirmed surfing the web:
it's not at all certain that Brosnan will appear in the next 
James Bond movie, the 21st.   It had seemed set, but according to 
Brosnan the producers have become indecisive.  Brosnan says he 
would be happy to play the mythological secret agent one last time,
which would be his fifth, but there are plenty of other fine actors
who could also assume the role.
 
There is some speculation that the producers were floating a 
trial balloon and might back away from it, given the audience's 
general satisfaction with Brosnan's incarnation of Bond


#126 of 278 by drew on Mon May 17 20:29:26 2004:

James Bond should *definitely* be getting long in the tooth by now.


#127 of 278 by twenex on Mon May 17 20:36:05 2004:

Er, he is?


#128 of 278 by mcnally on Mon May 17 20:50:29 2004:

  According to IMDB, Roger Moore is 77 and Sean Connery is 74
  (or thereabouts..  I only checked birth year, not date within
  the year..) if that gives any indication..


#129 of 278 by gelinas on Mon May 17 22:42:26 2004:

For a brief burst of 'reality': the Bond books were written in the Fifties
and early Sixties, when Bond was in his thirties.


#130 of 278 by gelinas on Tue May 18 04:36:12 2004:

I stumbled across the "Case of the Lucky Legs" on TCM this evening.
(It's on right now.)  A very different Perry Mason: we meet him sleeping
off the night before on his office floor.

BTW, a web-search on Perry Mason led to

        http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/P/htmlP/perrymason/perrymason.htm

which mentioned a Perry Mason radio show.  The radio show was re-titled,
and its cast members' names changed, when the television series started,
to avoid 'competition.'  I knew that "The Edge of Night" had started on
radio, but I hadn't known that it started as "Perry Mason."


#131 of 278 by achu on Thu May 20 00:34:39 2004:

did you know there is some evidence that ancient china had radio around the
year 100BC?  it was mechanical instead of electrical, but it did exist.


#132 of 278 by twenex on Thu May 20 00:58:00 2004:

Suuuure.


#133 of 278 by richard on Thu May 20 03:13:13 2004:

I read that the actor that the producers most want to replace Brosnan as James
Bond is Russell Crowe.  Crowe would command a lot more money than Brosnan,
and wouldn't be available as often, but if the price is right he'd do it as
he's a self admitted huge Bond fan


#134 of 278 by furs on Fri May 21 15:42:17 2004:

Has anyone seen Troy?


#135 of 278 by twenex on Fri May 21 15:47:44 2004:

I'm off to see it tonite.


#136 of 278 by gull on Fri May 21 16:19:10 2004:

I haven't.  I did get a good chuckle out of one reviewer that commented
that Diane Kruger "has a face that could launch 250 ships, maybe 500 at
most."



#137 of 278 by gull on Fri May 21 16:19:55 2004:

I saw _Shrek 2_.  Loved it.  If you liked the first one, you'll like
this one too.  It's more of the same, only better.


#138 of 278 by mcnally on Fri May 21 17:02:51 2004:

  re #136:  I thought that line was moderately amusing in the first 
  review in which I read it, but by the time I'd gotten to the fourth
  or fifth review its charms had completely disappeared..


#139 of 278 by twenex on Fri May 21 17:04:11 2004:

Heh.


#140 of 278 by twenex on Sat May 22 15:56:21 2004:

Troy: Excellent.

Saddle my horse, the epic is back!


#141 of 278 by md on Sun May 23 14:47:01 2004:

Two recent rentals we missed in the theaters:

RUSSIAN ARK (A) - A Russian director's loving homage to Russian culture 
and The Hermitage, the big museum in Leningrad (St. Petersburg to you 
capitalist pigs).  The camera travels from room to room -- 37 of them 
in all -- following a European snob (Russian actor doing what I suppose 
sounds to Russian ears like a French accent) and his invisible Russian 
companion (the voice of the director, from whose POV the movie is 
seen).  There we see personages and incidents from 300 years of Russian 
history.  The movie is 90 minutes long, and although it took four years 
to prepare, the actual shooting was done in one single 90-minute-long 
take.  I knew beforehand that that's how the movie had been shot, but I 
didn't beieve it until I actually saw it.  The final 15 minutes, in 
which about a thousand actors dressed in period costumes dance the last 
dance at a grand ball then make their way down the huge double-
staircase and off the stage of history forever, is one of the most 
beautiful things I've ever seen in a movie.  (This is one movie where 
the interviews and "making of" documentary in the Special Features are 
just as interestng as the movie itself.)

CALENDAR GIRLS (B) - A trying-not-to-look-exploitive movie about the 
middle-aged English garden club ladies who made a nude calendar of 
themselves to raise money for a good cause.  Helen Mirren is excellent 
as the ageing egotistical wild child whose idea the whole thing is.  
Lots of false sentimentality and other commercial phoniness, but really 
no worse than most other movies.  Plus, the Brit's eye view of American 
glitz is priceless.


#142 of 278 by rcurl on Sun May 23 15:24:44 2004:

Troy was pretty well done, especially if you like mass (and individual) 
slauterings. Also, the book was better (having survived for a couple of
millenia-plus, which I doubt the movie will). But it was moderately
faithful to the book(s) - except for omitting Cassandra, who killed
Agamemnon *after* he took her back to Greece. 



#143 of 278 by twenex on Sun May 23 16:45:15 2004:

In Troy's defence, the director does include the caveat at the beginnign of
the end (credits) that the story was *inspired* by The Iliad, a level of
honesty you don't find in 3rd-rate Tolkien-inspired fantasy.


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#145 of 278 by remmers on Sun May 23 17:26:20 2004:

Haven't seen "Troy", but as I understand it the movie has no supernatural
beings (a.k.a. gods).  They were pretty important characters in The Iliad.


#146 of 278 by twenex on Sun May 23 17:27:45 2004:

There aren't any people in the film playing Gods, but it's hardly a secular
travesty of the book; several are mentioned quite often.


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#148 of 278 by mcnally on Sun May 23 17:47:52 2004:

  re #142:  Agamemnon was killed by Clytemnestra, with the help of her
            lover Aegisthus.

            Cassandra was pretty much a one-device character, though
            it's a great device: always (accurately) foretelling
            misfortune and never being believed..


#149 of 278 by rcurl on Sun May 23 19:08:14 2004:

The characters are doing all sorts of things because of and on behalf of
their gods, and statues of them abound. One would interpret from the movie
that much in their society was heavily influenced by their beliefs in gods.

Aha! I will speak to my resident expert on Greek myths, who told me
Cassandra slew Agememnon. However, she was close: Clymtemnestra slew
both Agemenon and Cassandra. 

At least it was faithful to Achilles' heel, which everyone knows about
and therefore had to be kept (at least, everyone knows Achilles had a
heel....).


#150 of 278 by twenex on Sun May 23 19:09:59 2004:

Heh. One review my Dad read said they made no mention of the heel. D'Oh!


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#152 of 278 by rcurl on Sun May 23 20:01:15 2004:

They didn't *mention* the heel, but it was shown clearly that an arrow
shot by Paris penetrated Achilles' heel. 

Did the actor portraying Achilles perform all those calesthetics in
battle, or were some done by stuntmen - or even computer generated?


#153 of 278 by twenex on Sun May 23 20:02:26 2004:

"The actor portraying Achilles"?! Are you telling us you never heard of Brad
Pitt?!


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#155 of 278 by rcurl on Mon May 24 05:45:28 2004:

Wasn't Pitt the actor portraying Achilles?


#156 of 278 by twenex on Mon May 24 05:50:57 2004:

I believe I just said that...


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#158 of 278 by edina on Mon May 24 18:51:14 2004:

Brad Pitt worked out to get in shape to play Achilles for a year previous to
filming.


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#160 of 278 by katie on Tue May 25 20:33:21 2004:

Shrek 2 is wonderful. I'll have to see it a few times to catch all the
stuff.


#161 of 278 by gull on Wed May 26 13:54:40 2004:

Supersize Me - In case you aren't familiar with the premise of the
movie, here's how it works:  A guy decides to eat nothing but McDonalds
food for a month.  The rules are he can only eat things that are sold at
McDonalds, he has to eat three meals a day, he has to try everything on
the menu at least once, and if they ask him if he wants to supersize it,
he has to say yes.  The effects on his health are dramatic -- he gains
about 20 pounds, much of it in the first two weeks; his cholesterol
skyrockets; his liver starts to shut down; he suffers mood swings and
depression that are only relieved by eating more food.

Now, to get the main criticism of the movie out of the way, no, there's
nothing particularly unique about McDonalds food.  If he'd eaten 5,000
calories a day somewhere else, he probably would have gotten pretty much
the same results.  But there's more to the movie than that -- he talks
about how fast-food advertising is targeted at children, how the
advertising we see favors unhealthy foods over healthy ones, how portion
sizes have expanded over the years, and how school hot lunches are now
mostly reheated convenience foods instead of healthier food cooked at
the school.

It's a funny and thought-provoking movie, and it'll make you wonder
about your own diet.  Even the doctors he consults with are astounded at
how dramatic the effects on his body are in just 30 days.


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#163 of 278 by richard on Thu May 27 03:33:53 2004:

At the screening of "Supersize Me" that I saw here in nyc, the director
spoke afterwards.  He made it clear that one reason the effects of all
that eating McD's were so dramatic in his case, is that he did not and
does not regularly eat junk or high fat foods.  His girlfriend is a vegan
chef.  So his body was not in any way conditioned to that kind of diet.
It is like if you have two guys who decide to go on a booze binge, and one
of the guys is a habitual regular drinker and the other guy is normally a
teetotaler.  Who is the binge drinking going to affect more?  Answer-- the
guy who doesn't drink normally because his body isn't used to it.  So
naturally, a guy who is mostly a vegetarian and never eats fried food, to
all of a sudden eat nothing but fried food for a solid month, is going to
have tolerance issues.  As he said, once his body adapted to the high fat
fried food diet, the physical problems would be reduced.  He was less sick
at the end of the month than he was seventeen days in.  His body was
adapting.


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#165 of 278 by krj on Fri May 28 17:29:20 2004:

resp:126 through resp:128, on the immortal James Bond:  The creators of
 series fiction set in the present day have to make a decision:  either the
characters move through time at a normal human pace, which means they grow old
and die, or else they become "decoupled" from  the flow of events.

To pick two contrasting examples from the comic strips:  the Peanuts
characters are immune to the changes of time.  In "For Better or Worse,"
however, the characters are moving through life; characters who were 
introduced as young children are now young adults.
 
Two good examples from mystery/spy fiction:  John Le Carre's agent &
spymaster George Smiley is clearly moving through time, aging, 
coming to the end of his career.  Which means, no more George Smiley
books!   On the other hand, the detective team of Nero Wolfe and 
Archie Godwin (author Rex Stout) settled into their "eternal now" 
sometime in the late 1930's; the world marched forward around them, 
and stories changed from the murder of movie stars to the murder of 
radio stars and onto the murder of TV stars.  But Wolfe remained around 
55-60 years old, and Archie maybe in his early 30s, for about 40 years
of books.

If I remember the novel CASINO ROYALE correctly, the literary James Bond
began as a British officer in World War II; but clearly the movie 
character of the same name can no longer have any sort of datable 
origins.


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#167 of 278 by aruba on Fri May 28 19:11:01 2004:

Re #165: I haven't read any Le Carre books lately, but as I recall Smiley
was already retired in "The Spy Who Came in from the Cold", in 1963.  So if
he's still kicking, I'm not sure he's aging with the times.


#168 of 278 by krokus on Fri May 28 22:49:41 2004:

so who else is looking forward to seeing the latest Earth snuff film?


#169 of 278 by gelinas on Sat May 29 04:39:26 2004:

(I don't remember Mr. Smiley in "The Spy Who Came in from the Cold."
I guess I need to read more of Mr. Le Carre's work.  I'd also like to read
all of the James Bond series.  I made progress, back in '73, I think it
was, but I guess I missed a few.  And I know that I wasn't reading them
in order.)


#170 of 278 by richard on Sat May 29 20:27:32 2004:

THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW--  This is a good popcorn story.  A good old
fashioned disaster movie.  There is a massive ice melt in the north pole,
due to global warming, and it causes huge climate changes.  Tornados
devasate Los Angeles.  Softball sized hail tears up Tokyo.  It even starts
snowing in New Delhi.  Eventually what happens is the mother of all winter
storms comes roaring down from Canada prepared to return much of the
United States to the ice age.  New York City is flooded by tidal waves,
and then frozen over by -150 degree temperatures.

Dennis Quaid is our hero, we always have one in disaster movies, the
Paleoplanetologist who tries to warn everyone of whats going to happen.
Once the storm hits he takes off on snowskis from D.C. to go up to NYC to
rescue his son (Jake Gyllenhall) who is stranded with his friends at the
main branch of the New York Public Library.  There, since the city is
frozen over, they are forced to start burning all the books in the library
to keep the fire going.  There is even a russian ship that gets washed in
from the seas during the tidal waves and ends up frozen on fifth avenue
outside the library.  

Obviously the story and plot are preposterous.  If it was really -150
degrees, Quaid would not make it to New York, he would freeze solid along
the way.  But the special effects are awesome and there are good bits of
humor in this film-- such as when the U.S. is being destroyed by the
storm, the president decides to order everyone south of the mason dixon
line evacuated to Mexico.  Mexico closes its borders and we see U.S.
citizens trying to break INTO Mexico, desperately trying to swim across
the rio grande.  

Like I said, "Day After Tomorrow" is a good popcorn movie.  A good "bad"
movie.  Probably destined to become a cult favorite


#171 of 278 by twenex on Sat May 29 20:31:08 2004:

Sounds like a movie made by someone tryning ot make a point, not necessarily
about Global Warming, either.


#172 of 278 by rcurl on Sat May 29 22:00:23 2004:

Then, what? I haven't seen it, but adverts for it look like just another
disaster movie, almost none of which have any point(s)? The reviews
make it sound awful, except for the special effects. Might be worth seeing
for those, or if you can boo and hiss.


#173 of 278 by twenex on Sat May 29 23:38:36 2004:

Re: #172:  From #170: " Mexico closes its borders and we see U.S.
 citizens trying to break INTO Mexico, desperately trying to swim across
 the rio grande."

Maybe that nothign lasts forever?


#174 of 278 by richard on Sun May 30 01:57:46 2004:

#172...the movie (day after tomorrow) is bad but it is humorous and enjoyable
nonetheless.  Lots of in jokes, like the vice president being this gung ho
military guy who is a dead ringer for Dick Cheney, and the President being
a buffoon who seems to take his orders from the Vice President.  Eight guys
are telling the President to declare a state of emergency and start evacuating
people, and the President turns to the Vice President, "uh what should we do?"

Also the Vice President later giving the big post-storm speech, promising
never to ignore the weather again, on the Weather Channel...


#175 of 278 by jiffer on Sun May 30 02:56:13 2004:

I go like how NPR made huge fun out of The Day After Tomorrow.  


#176 of 278 by krokus on Sun May 30 03:30:58 2004:

I enjoyed the movie, yes it was preposterous, but so many movies are.
(This is an exceptionally high ratio in the disaster movies.)  But it
an entertaining movie, with incredible effects.  I stayed to watch the
credits for something, and was amazed at the number of effects houses
that were working on this.  (ILM and Digital Domain, just to name the
two big ones.)

I saw this at Showcase lastnight, and would like to know who the
Richard Cranium was that decided to throw a concession tray in the
theater.  It hit someone in the back of the head, then a girl's foot.
(I did see someone jump up towards the general direction it came from,
so if it was the parent of a tray-throwing kid, I get the general
impression that the kids got what was due.)


#177 of 278 by twenex on Sun May 30 12:33:46 2004:

Heh. I didn't know "Richard Cranium" had made it across the Atlantic. Of
coursxe, it's always possible that it came Eastwards, not Westwards.


#178 of 278 by otter on Sun May 30 13:30:41 2004:

Re: James Bond
007 is not a person, it's a job. 
The "00"s are positions within MI-5, each with its own cover name and 
set of duties. When one dies or retires, another assumes that job. This 
makes it logical for us to see a Bond mature for a while, then become a 
different (usually younger) person entirely.
It's much the same with the "alpha" positions, (ie: M and Q) except 
that those don't use names, presumably because they have no public 
contact and don't need one.


#179 of 278 by twenex on Sun May 30 14:10:06 2004:

"007" is not a person, but "James Bond" is. Whilst it's logical to look for
a replacement for "007", or even "otter" or "twenex" should that become
necessary or desirable, it *isn't* logical to look for a clone of Bond or of
Jeffrey Rollin or of Spock to succeed Spock. Unless, of course, we perfect
cloning *and* human cloning is legalized.


#180 of 278 by bru on Sun May 30 16:03:14 2004:

But the name "James Bond" can be a code name.  He is a 00 agent.  00 agents
have a license to kill.  Perhaps teh name goes with the job as well.  All 007
agents are thus referd to as JAmes Bond.  When they retire, they go back to
their real names, and another 007 takes over the job and the name of 007,
James Bond.


#181 of 278 by twenex on Sun May 30 16:07:07 2004:

Why have two code names? Why not just accept that James Bond is one
(fictional) person portrayed by several different actors?


#182 of 278 by realugly on Sun May 30 16:27:22 2004:

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#183 of 278 by jiffer on Sun May 30 17:51:41 2004:

Because you haven't seen Casino Royale.  There are many "007"s


#184 of 278 by drew on Sun May 30 20:10:23 2004:

Six are going to a heavenly spot / and one is going to a place where it's
terribly hot


#185 of 278 by otter on Mon May 31 16:30:01 2004:

resp:180 Precisely, bru. When you (whoever you are) assume the 007 
position, you also assume the name James Bond. Makes perfect sense.
resp:184 Why not? Because that brings actors into it, which sort of 
spoils the suspension of disbelief for me. ymmv.


#186 of 278 by tpryan on Mon May 31 18:21:10 2004:

        Oh my God, They killed 005!  You bastards!


#187 of 278 by drew on Mon May 31 19:41:17 2004:

In support of the assumed name theory: Last night I saw _Tomorrow Never Dies_;
in it, 007 uses the name "James Bond" *as* his cover name. The newspaper mugul
has a background check run on the Bond name, and gets back "Banker, squeaky
clean". (From which the henchman concludes "government agent" on the theory
of "too good to be true".)


#188 of 278 by scott on Mon May 31 20:29:01 2004:

Banker??  Whatever happened to "Universal Exports"?


#189 of 278 by albaugh on Tue Jun 1 15:50:04 2004:

I was definitely LMAO watching Shrek 2.  It's not just for kids.  In fact,
perhaps it's not even *for* kids!  :-)


#190 of 278 by gull on Tue Jun 1 19:48:22 2004:

I plan on seeing "Day After Tomorrow".  It's a big summer disaster movie.  I
don't go to those because I want scientific accuracy or a thought-provoking
plot.  I go because I want to see lots of stuff getting destroyed. ;>


#191 of 278 by mary on Tue Jun 1 23:17:25 2004:

Yeah, I like to see the world being destroyed as well as the next 
guy, but "Day After..." was a one-trick pony.  The characters were 
boringly underdeveloped, the science was insultingly stupid, but the 
biggest flaw of all is the lack of humor.  I mean, dead serious.  
Big mistake. BIG MISTAKE.

Skip this one.  Rent "Men is Black". 


#192 of 278 by klg on Wed Jun 2 00:26:04 2004:

Where??


#193 of 278 by anderyn on Wed Jun 2 13:25:33 2004:

We enjoyed "Shrek 2". It was full of parody, sight gags, and well -- I fell
in love with "Puss in Boots". Antonio Banderas really must have been a cat
in a previous life! It is definitely a movie to go to if you just want to have
a good time.


#194 of 278 by gregb on Wed Jun 2 18:19:22 2004:

I saw Starsky & Hutch at the dollar theater and I loved it.  I was a fan
of the series and it was a real kick to see these guys again, even if it
wasn't the original actors.  They did a good job, especially Stiller
(Starsky).  And while I'm not a Snoop Dog fan, I did like him in the
role of Huggy Bear ("Nobody touches the Bear!").  And of course I loved
seeing that red and white Torino again.  And lots of (to me) great 70's
tunes.

One noticeable difference was how they protrayed the basic character of
S&H:  In the series, Hutch was the neat, orderly, semi-rule-follower
kinda guy and Starsky the do-what-it-takes-to-get-the-job-done, sloppy
(except for his car) kinda guy.  Just the opposite in the movie, which
was rather strange.

Unlike the series, they didn't try to play the movie for being totally
serious.  This was just a fun flick to watch.


#195 of 278 by krj on Thu Jun 3 16:50:43 2004:

Agreed with Twila on SHREK 2; Puss in Boots steals the movie.
Can there be a spinoff?  :)


#196 of 278 by albaugh on Thu Jun 3 17:34:43 2004:

Yeah - Puss in Boots in Mexico   ;-)


In other news, just on principle, not *another* "legend of King Arthur" remake
/ variant!!!


#197 of 278 by salad on Thu Jun 3 21:10:27 2004:

 :-0


#198 of 278 by richard on Fri Jun 4 01:49:32 2004:

I saw the posters for that king arthur remake.  It looks like a feminist
version where arthur and lancelot are wimps and lady guenevire is the warrior

I'll still take Excalibur, which I have on DVD somewhere


#199 of 278 by twenex on Fri Jun 4 13:20:56 2004:

Re: #198. king arthur ... looks like a feminist
 version where arthur and lancelot are wimps and lady guenevire is the warrior

Snicker.


#200 of 278 by bru on Fri Jun 4 13:58:15 2004:

That is because I have heard they are both supposed to be Sarmatians, not
Celtic.  Sarmatians from Iran are supposed to have had warrior women as well
as men.


#201 of 278 by twenex on Fri Jun 4 15:05:12 2004:

Sarmatians? rotfl.

Please let me know if it gets any more laughable.


#202 of 278 by anderyn on Fri Jun 4 18:48:50 2004:

Well, they are Sarmatians in the novelization. Yeah. (Though at least they
are still doing the Romano-Britain thing, I believe. I *may* go see it.)
I hate hate hate Excalibur. What fecking person would have Arthur's mother
doing a belly-dance?! And then the sex in full plate armor? Sheah. That lost
me right there. Stupid Borman. Stupid movie. Stupid stupid. The only good
parts were in the very middle when Arthur was fighting King Lot. (I am a fan
of King Arthur. I have about as many versions of it as could be imagined. I
get very testy when people mess with it.)


#203 of 278 by happyboy on Sat Jun 5 00:45:46 2004:

ooooH don't get testy!!!


#204 of 278 by gregb on Sun Jun 6 04:59:12 2004:

I see there's yet /another/ King Arthur movie coming out this Summer.


#205 of 278 by edina on Mon Jun 7 17:09:56 2004:

Yes - Clive Owen as Arthur and Keira Knightly as Guinevere.  I'm looking
forward to it. 


#206 of 278 by gregb on Mon Jun 7 18:36:08 2004:

Went to see Harry Potter yesterday with some friends.  I wish I had a
glowing review like I did for the last two movies, but this one I was a
bit dissapointed.  Yes, there was plenty of action and drama, but this
was a much darker chapter.  Right from the get-go, there was nothing
happy about this film.  I understand that the book is very close to the
movie (or vice-versa) so I guess it's supposed to be that way.  But even
the ending didn't have that "feel good" quality that embodied the other
flicks.  However, I still reccomend it for viewing and I'll certainly be
adding it to my DVD collection when it comes out.

I've heard that this will  be the last Potter movie.  If that true, I'll
be sorry to see it go.  On the other hand, if the remaining novels are
as dark as Prisinor..., I won't mind it too much.


#207 of 278 by bru on Mon Jun 7 18:40:09 2004:

It isn't the last movie, they started filming the next one 4 weeks ago.  same
cast.


#208 of 278 by krj on Mon Jun 7 19:07:21 2004:

SHREK 2 held up well on a second viewing; lots more little details to 
pick up on now that I know the ending, plus a host of additional 
comic bits stuffed into every frame.  For one not-much-of-a-spoiler
example:  after picking up the "Medieval Meal" at the drive-through, 
Prince Charming is fidgeting with a cardboard crown like the ones 
Burger King used to give away to kids.
 
Puss in Boots and the Fairy Godmother are just amazing to watch, 
in terms of character detail.  The Fairy Godmother might be the 
most realistic animated human I've ever seen -- except, of course, 
that she flies around.  

The Bichon Frise (white puppy), on the other hand, is very crude in
its animation, much more so than any other character.  There has to 
be a reason for this, but I can't figure out what it is!

I think I'm going to see this another couple of times in first-run.
Last time I did that was with GHOSTBUSTERS 20 years ago.


#209 of 278 by edina on Mon Jun 7 21:16:18 2004:

Re 206  The latest HP very much is like the book.  The whole point is that
there isn't a happy ending and it's at this point that things start getting
"complicated".


#210 of 278 by mcnally on Mon Jun 7 21:54:51 2004:

  re #208:  My reaction to Shrek 2 was certainly not as enthusiastic
  as Ken's.  Having seen it over the weekend I can't imagine wanting
  to see it multiple times in the theater.  It wasn't horrible but
  even with decidedly modest expectations I found it didn't really
  live up to them.

  Most grating at all, at least to me, was the film's use of music.
  The original Shrek wasn't a subtle film either, but the person who
  picked the music seemed to know how to enhance a scene with the right
  musical choice (for example the scene which uses John Cale's cover
  of Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujah")  I couldn't find a single scene in
  Shrek 2 that benefitted from the accompanying music, and some of the
  musical choices were cringe-inducing -- the big "Livin' la Vida Loca"
  musical number at the end and the action scene inexplicably set to
  a decidedly inferior cover of the Buzzcock's classic "Ever Fallen in
  Love" both spring to mind.

  As for the jokes, I will admit that they piled in a *lot* of pop
  culture references, many of which I probably missed.  The ones I had
  time to notice, however, didn't seem particularly insightful or
  amusing to me, they just seemed to be there with no real point to
  them.  "Oh look, it's another 'Matrix' reference, or is it supposed to
  be a reference to Shrek 1's bullet-time gag?" or "Wow.  'Sir Justin'
  looks just like Justin Timberlake.  How hilarious.. <yawn>"

  But don't let me suck all the joy out of it for any of the rest of you.
  More than likely you'll have a good time; I seem to be in a distinct
  minority of people who didn't think it was particularly good.


#211 of 278 by rcurl on Tue Jun 8 00:36:37 2004:

One problem seems to be you know too much about current pop music.


#212 of 278 by richard on Tue Jun 8 06:09:58 2004:

re #202-- Twila, what was wrong with Arthur's mother being a bellydancer
in Excalibur.  The scene is a flashback, showing Arthur's mother when
Arthur was conceived, when she was young and desireable.  Why is it
necessary that Arthur's mother have come from high society?  If Arthur's
mother was a commoner, in these dark ages, and was good looking, she may
well have made money the ways in which good looking women made money in
those days.  Let us not confuse modern times with the dark ages.  I think
Boorman did not want to look at the probable past of Arthur's family with
rose colored glasses and it was commendable

Did you also disapprove of the incest between arthur and morgaine, that
produces mordred?  Other legends have Mordred the son of Lot.  I guess it was
a bit revisionist but I still liked it


#213 of 278 by twenex on Tue Jun 8 10:32:06 2004:

Richard - it's you who's confusing modern times with the dark ages. Nobility
married nobility then, no exceptions. If Arthur *was* the son of a common
woman, the only way he would have been able to gain the throne would have been
to hide his origins, otherwise he would have been excluded on the principle
of being a bastard. Mediaeval aristocracy marrying commoners is a fiction
which suits the romanticism of our age, which isn't at all like the brutal
times they lived in.


#214 of 278 by twenex on Tue Jun 8 10:34:18 2004:

For a realistic idea of how the well-born treated the low-born, see the prima
nocte scenes in Braveheart.


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#216 of 278 by albaugh on Tue Jun 8 14:18:38 2004:

mcnally, who knows if Shrek 2 is a good film or not.  But it was certainly
enjoyable - at least for most people - and the fact that you didn't derive
must enjoyment from it won't wreck it for other people, believe me.
I mean, c'mon, giant cookie named "Mongo" - that's as good as it gets!  :-)


#217 of 278 by twenex on Tue Jun 8 14:19:22 2004:

"Why can't we all just, get along?"


#218 of 278 by pgreen on Tue Jun 8 14:48:34 2004:

Point.


#219 of 278 by mcnally on Tue Jun 8 16:18:16 2004:

  It'd be pretty dull if this was the "everyone agrees about the movies"
  item.  I'm just presenting a contrasting view on "Shrek 2".


#220 of 278 by drew on Tue Jun 8 18:43:24 2004:

Re #213:
    What about that bit where Arthur pulls the sword out of the rock while
no one else could?


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#222 of 278 by twenex on Tue Jun 8 19:08:34 2004:

Yep - and the device of having Arthur pull the Sword out the Stone is probably
simply a mythical or fictional one to get around #213.


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#224 of 278 by anderyn on Tue Jun 8 19:31:12 2004:

Richard: re212: Hmmm. Guess my suspension of disbelief is way lower than yours
about belly-dancers in England. In 500 or thereabouts. Nope. Sorry, I don't
think the Celts were really into belly-dancing in Middle Eastern costumes.
And Igraine was definitely a Queen. So nope. Again, I'm not buying it. And
I still hate the "rape" by Uther while in full plate. Dumb dumb dumb. I am
a full Sir Thomas Malory Le Mort d'Arthur canon-fiend (or, if pressed, I'd
go with Giraldus or the Welsh Triads, all of which have some pretty definitive
Arthurian material), but Borman just doesn't cut it. (Neither does Marion
Zimmer Bradley's uber-feminist Mists of Avalon, to be fair.)   I admit that
the real (if there was a real true person who was Arthur) would have been
probably a Romano-British war leader, but I happen to go with the full
mythological Malory figure for my Arthur. 

About the music in "Shrek 2" -- it didn't seem obtrusive during the movie,
to the point that I'm still not sure where most of the music on the soundtrack
album was actually used (I know where maybe 5 songs were in the movie,
"Accidentally in Love" at the beginning, "Funkytown" and the Tom Waits song,
and of course both fairy godmother numbers and "Livin' La Vida Loca"...). I
bought the album because I wanted to get the version of "La Vida" (I'm a
sucker for Puss and Donkey, what can I say? I want to get boots for my cat!)
but I like more than threequarters of it quite a bit. I particularly like the
Pete Yorn song, after the Fairy Godmother's version of "Holding Out..." and
the Counting Crows song. I was particularly shocked to find myself actually
semi-enjoying the Tom Waits song, since I don't like Tom Waits's voice at all,
and I don't do black depressive songs.


#225 of 278 by gull on Tue Jun 8 19:36:51 2004:

Re resp:206: I liked it for the same reason you disliked it.  It didn't
try to be chipper.  It was sort of the "Emperor Strikes Back" of Harry
Potter movies.

I haven't read any of the books except the first one, but my friend who
has tells me the dark tone is consistent with the book.  He also warns
me that the next one is even darker.


Re resp:208: I still found the computer-animated humans a little creepy
at first, but after the first few minutes of the film I didn't notice
anymore.


Re resp:224: Careful.  Tom Waits is an acquired taste, and if you manage
to acquire it you may find yourself hooked. ;>  I first encountered his
music on the _12 Monkeys_ soundtrack.  ("Earth Died Screaming", another
cheerful party song.)


#226 of 278 by mcnally on Tue Jun 8 21:01:46 2004:

re #224:

> I particularly like the Pete Yorn song..

Ouch..  The Buzzcocks' original of "Ever Fallen in Love" is a pop music
masterpiece -- a bouncy, high energy two-minute gem that was an almost
perfect blend of punk and power pop.  Yorn's cover version, used on
the soundtrack, might well be the best track in the movie, and it's
also better (in my opinion) than anything on his breakthrough album
"musicforthemorningafter" but it's just so.. lacking.. compared to
the original..  I'm really trying NOT to be a pop culture snob but it's
distressing (in a small way) to think that there are people whose only
experience with the song will cause them to remember it as "the Pete Yorn
song from Shrek 2"  Even if you enjoy Yorn's version of the song, however,
it's not a very good choice for the scene it accompanies in the movie
(which [mild spoiler] is a chase scene in the potion works.)  There are
plenty of movies which feature music I don't like which nevertheless
manage to use their music more effectively than I thought "Shrek 2" did 
and which didn't leave me with a feeling of jarring disconnect between
what was happening on-screen and in the story with what I was hearing in
the music..

> I was particularly shocked to find myself actually semi-enjoying the
> Tom Waits song, since I don't like Tom Waits's voice at all, and I don't
> do black depressive songs.

If you don't do bleak, downbeat songs I doubt that you're in any danger of
winding up a Tom Waits fan, as warned in #225, but even singing his own
songs I find Waits' voice works very well for some songs, not well for others.
If you develop an interest in hearing more of Waits' work I recommend the
album "Rain Dogs" as the best starting place.


#227 of 278 by scott on Tue Jun 8 23:11:17 2004:

I just saw "Shrek 2", and while I agree the songs were slightly excessive,
overally it was a very funny movie.


#228 of 278 by gull on Wed Jun 9 15:13:39 2004:

Agreed that his voice works well for some songs and not others.  I'm
sure there's disagreement about which ones, too.  For example, I like
his version of "Downtown Train" a lot better than Rod Stewart's, but I'm
sure there are many people who feel otherwise.


#229 of 278 by mcnally on Wed Jun 9 16:42:53 2004:

  Now there's another depressing thought, though you're undoubtedly right.
  I have a visceral dislike of Rod Stewart which no doubt colors my 
  opinion on this issue..


#230 of 278 by gregb on Wed Jun 9 17:28:42 2004:

Re. 225:  I didn't "dislike" it.  I was just dissapointed that it didn't
match the spirit of the first two.  I'm glad that ther'll be another
film and I'll certainly be there opening weekend to see it.


#231 of 278 by glenda on Wed Jun 9 20:05:19 2004:

Film 4 is due out in 2005, film 5 is scheduled to be out in 2007.  That will
take it out to the current book.


#232 of 278 by pgreen on Wed Jun 9 20:06:17 2004:

Hi, Glenda!


#233 of 278 by gregb on Thu Jun 10 17:01:22 2004:

Re. 231:  Any idea why not 2006?


#234 of 278 by anderyn on Thu Jun 10 18:31:12 2004:

Probably due to special effects?


#235 of 278 by gregb on Thu Jun 10 18:55:03 2004:

Doubtful, considering how many FX were in the last two films.


#236 of 278 by mcnally on Thu Jun 10 19:10:30 2004:

  My guess would be to avoid a 3-year gap between film 5 and film 6
  (assuming there ever is a film 6.)  The spacing between the books
  has been growing greater and greater and the films take at least
  a year of work to produce *after* the book has been finished.
  Keeping the series relatively evenly spaced-out is probably somewhat
  important to the producers.



#237 of 278 by glenda on Thu Jun 10 21:34:46 2004:

Some of the extra time is so that the kids can actually spend some time at
real schools.  I just read an article about the actor that plays Malfoy.  He
said that he is putting college off for a year to finish filming #4.  There
was a gap between 3 & 4 so that one of them could catch up on school work.
It has to be hard working around school and labor issues with kids of this
age on projects this big.


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#239 of 278 by tpryan on Sun Jun 13 04:38:36 2004:

        Saw Shrek2.  Okay, Love Potion No. IX.  I got it.
Also saw Harry Potter.  I wanna ride on the Magic Bus.
Saw "Saved" earlier tonight.  A bit of commentary on "Christian Life".


#240 of 278 by remmers on Sun Jun 13 14:40:21 2004:

I would like to report that "The Day After Tomorrow" is the best
movie I ever saw in Sedalia, Missouri.


#241 of 278 by gull on Sun Jun 13 16:01:39 2004:

I'm guessing it's also the ONLY movie you've ever seen in Sedalia, 
Missouri?


#242 of 278 by richard on Tue Jun 15 04:33:40 2004:

Saw "Harry Potter and Prisoner of Azkiban"-- my feeling is that the movie is
too rushed, and certain details are sacrificed as a result.  I know the studio
didn't want a three hour+ movie, but the books are so detailed that you can't
do them justice without enough time.  It was still a good movie but I wanted
it to be more than it was.

I shudder to think that they might try to bring "Goblet of Fire" in at 2 hrs.
and 25 mins or less


#243 of 278 by mcnally on Tue Jun 15 05:43:37 2004:

  I also saw "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban" this weekend
  and agree with Richard's criticism.  Even at 2 1/2 hours it was rushed
  to the point where substantial story cuts had to be made, eliminating
  crucial exposition and obfuscating character motivations.  

  Discussing the movie afterwards with Cathy it was clear to both of us
  that the problem is only going to get worse as the series progresses.
  If you look at the books next to each other on the shelf each book is
  noticably thicker than the volume that precedes it and the last couple
  of books have taken a huge leap over the first three.  This can't help
  but be a problem for filmmakers trying to continue the series.

  I thought that the new look for the series was interesting.  A much,
  much larger portion of this movie takes place outside Hogwarts' castle,
  much of it in the outdoors.  The protagonists wear "muggle" clothes
  throughout all but a small part of the movie.  The lesser characters
  have largely slipped away into the margins; they get very little screen
  time and do almost nothing to further the story.  And of course the new
  Dumbledore sucks, but what are you going to do when your original actor
  dies?


#244 of 278 by albaugh on Tue Jun 15 15:01:40 2004:

Took the boys to see Garfield.  Not great.  Good clean family fun, I guess.
This screen version of eats, but he doesn't, can't, ... well, you'll just have
to see the film to understand what I'm hinting at.  :-)


#245 of 278 by twenex on Tue Jun 15 15:15:10 2004:

Didn't even know there was a Garfield film. Thanks for the warning.


#246 of 278 by tpryan on Tue Jun 15 16:24:00 2004:

        They should have gotten Gandalf to stand in for Dumbledore.


#247 of 278 by remmers on Tue Jun 15 17:19:15 2004:

Re #241:  No, I've actually seen two movies in Sedalia, Missouri.
"Day After Tomorrow" recently, and "Forces of Nature" a few years
ago.  Didn't think either was particularly good, but "Day After
Tomorrow" was marginally better.


#248 of 278 by tod on Tue Jun 15 17:24:40 2004:

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#249 of 278 by rcurl on Tue Jun 15 18:09:26 2004:

They've got to be concerned in Redondo Beach - they are onlly 59 feet above
MSL.


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#251 of 278 by krj on Thu Jun 17 19:44:35 2004:

Mike in resp:242 :: in press stories around the time of the first
Harry Potter movie, director/series producer Chris Columbus was saying 
that the fourth book would have to be split into two films.  
But I have not heard anything to indicate that this realization 
is affecting the current filming of Potter #4.


#252 of 278 by twenex on Thu Jun 17 19:46:14 2004:

Are the King and Queen of Spain financing the next one?


#253 of 278 by gull on Fri Jun 18 17:03:33 2004:

Re resp:250: I thought it was pretty funny when the reporter got smacked
by the billboard.


#254 of 278 by richard on Sat Jun 19 02:40:41 2004:

THE TERMINAL--  New Steven Spielberg/Tom Hanks movie about a tourist from
a small eastern european country who arrives at JFK airport in New York,
and finds out that while he was in the air, there was a coup d'etat in his
country.  Since his government has been overthrown, his passport and his
visa are invalidated and he is not allowed to enter the U.S.  He is also
not allowed to leave the U.S. for the same reasons.  He is stuck in limbo.
This is like Tom Hanks' "Survivor" movie, except instead of being stranded
on a desert island, he is stranded in a big airport with no money (he
can't exchange his currency since his government was overthrown), no
friends and little command of english.  We follow Hanks, as this eastern
european tourist, around as he tries to eat, sleep and survive in a
hostile, foreign environment where the authorities tell him that he
"doesn't count", that he has fallen into diplomatic limbo and is expected
to just disappear into the airport crowds.

The story sounds preposterous, to get stuck in an airport for more than a
year, but it is in fact based on a true story.  There really was/maybe
still is a guy who got stuck in such limbo at DeGaulle airport in Paris
and ended up living there.  The story is true, they just changed the
location to New York.

The movie is a bit long.  A 2 1/2 hour movie where the entire movie takes
place in a busy airport can get tedious.  JFK airport, where this takes
place, is my home airport and I've had my share of travel issues there
over the years.  But anyone who has ever had to spend a night in an
airport due to missed flights, bad weather or airline snafus, will be able
to identify with this movie.

Hanks and Catherine Zeta Jones, who plays this stewardess who keeps coming
through the airport off of flights and befriends him, and Stanley Tucci as
the head of airport security, are all terrrific.  The movie is I think
about the natural desire we all have to have identity and be acknowledged,
and the fear you can have of finding yourself becoming irrelevant and
disappearing into the system and wondering if anybody cares.

The ending is particularly poignant, which I won't give away except to say
Hanks's character has come to America to finish something his late father
started.  Because by doing so, he can have closure and feel like he has
somehow expressed the importance of his father's life, that he was alive,
that he was somebody.  The irony is that in the course of doing this, he
has seemed to lose his own identity, lose his country, his passport, his
money.  This is a Spielberg film though, so you know it has a happy
ending.  Spielberg would never leave one of his characters trapped at JFK
airport forever! 

Good movie, as long as you don't hate airports.


#255 of 278 by richard on Sat Jun 19 02:57:17 2004:

Note, the Tom Hanks "Survivor" movie I was comparing "The Terminal" to,
was of course "Cast Away"  Of which there are a lot of parallells, as
anybody trapped in a foreign airport where they don't know the language
and have no money, might well feel like they may as well be on a desert
island


#256 of 278 by slynne on Sat Jun 19 19:41:45 2004:

SAVED

My friend Kate wanted to see a movie this weekend. I let her choose 
because there arent any movies out there that I feel I just *have* to 
see. She chose "Saved". 

I hadnt even heard of it so I did a quick search on the internet. When 
I first read a plot synopsis I wasnt sure this would be a very good 
movie. I heard that it was about high school students at a Christian 
high school. One of them got pregnant . I figured it would be some 
weird drama about teen pregnancy in what I often view as the rigid 
world of fundamental Christianity. 

My little web search turned up two other tidbits about this movie. One 
was that it starred Macaulay Culkin which made me even more worried 
about how this film would turn out. I wasnt really sure how well he 
would be as an adult actor. The second thing I learned was that this 
movie was produced by Michael Stipe. I have long been a fan of Michael 
Stipe's and I have listened to interviews with him on the subject of 
religion. I also know that he is from the south which is a place often 
referred to as "The Bible Belt" by us yankees in our more rude moments. 
This had me curious. Maybe this wasnt the Christian melodrama I was 
expecting. 

It turned out to be quite different from my expectations. In a general 
way, while there were aspects of the dramatic and I found myself crying 
a couple of times, it was mostly a comedy. And quite a good one at 
least from my point of view which is one of an outsider peering into 
the world of fundamental christianity with it's christian rock groups 
and clean cut kids and "Jesus loves You" bumper stickers. 

I was also pretty impressed with the way it used satire to explore some 
of the more fundamental Christian values such as forgiveness, 
tolerence, kindness, etc. In a strange way, it was almost a modern film 
adaptation of that familiar bible story, The Good Samaritan.

Macaulay Culkin, btw, seems to have come into this own as an actor. The 
rest of the cast was pretty good too. All in all, I was pleasantly 
surprised and probably will let Kate pick the movie again ;) 


#257 of 278 by tpryan on Sun Jun 20 00:32:50 2004:

        I enjoyed the "I'm more Saved than you competition".
A great line--after Mary had a Bible thrown at her by the cheif
bitch, she turns around, picks it up and says "This is not
a weapon".


#258 of 278 by klg on Sun Jun 20 01:15:57 2004:

1.  Terminal is not a "true story."  It is loosely (very loosely) 
based upon an actual occurance.

2.  Stanley Tucci is not "the head of airport security."  He is in the 
process of being promoted to chief of the INS bureau at the airport.

3.  It is not a good movie.  It is a fair (very fair) movie.  If you 
miss seeing it, don't be disappointed.


#259 of 278 by pgreen on Sun Jun 20 01:16:23 2004:

You're loosely (very loosely) based on an actual person.


#260 of 278 by richard on Sun Jun 20 05:01:23 2004:

re: Saved...I want to see that because the movie's producer is REM's
Michael Stipe.  He's got a pretty good second career going, he also
prodeuced Being John Malkovich, which I really liked


#261 of 278 by tod on Mon Jun 21 15:55:49 2004:

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#262 of 278 by slynne on Mon Jun 21 16:23:28 2004:

The original Stepford Wives is very creepy. I am getting that this 
remake isnt so much. I might have to see it but I think I'll wait until 
it is out on DVD. 


#263 of 278 by tod on Mon Jun 21 16:39:50 2004:

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#264 of 278 by furs on Mon Jun 21 16:53:09 2004:

I went and saw Dodge Ball this weekend, which was one of the funniest 
movies I've seen in a while.  There are a lot of details they added 
it, which just added to more fun.  I can't remember laughing out loud 
so much in a movie.


#265 of 278 by tod on Mon Jun 21 17:31:25 2004:

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#266 of 278 by jvmv on Tue Jun 22 05:59:26 2004:

     Is Ben Stiller a director? Well, then I'm Hitchcock.
     What happened to Ben? He used to be funny.
     "He should go to the Derek Zoolander school for
     kids that can't read scripts good".
     Ben has great performance as actor. That's all.



#267 of 278 by furs on Tue Jun 22 13:26:40 2004:

If you like zoolander, you'll love dodge ball.  Humor is similar.


#268 of 278 by jvmv on Wed Jun 23 06:17:43 2004:

 
     Zoolander is one Ben's worst films.
     He got into trouble trying to do two things
     at the same time: director & actor.
     Ben is a great actor but a terrible director.



#269 of 278 by tod on Wed Jun 23 17:25:55 2004:

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#270 of 278 by jvmv on Thu Jun 24 05:51:57 2004:

     No way. It doesn't make sense tod. Why would I be 
     offended? I am not pretty heheh. I like comedies a lot.
     Moreover, I like Ben's work. He has a characteristic
     humor.
     But I have critical sense and I think Ben gave director
     all his attention. That's, he couldn't work that much.



#271 of 278 by tod on Thu Jun 24 17:42:02 2004:

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#272 of 278 by jvmv on Fri Jun 25 06:03:53 2004:

     His performance could be better.
     Ben's best performances are with common stories.
     Zoolander, filmed in NY and LA, Ben directs, writes
     producers this movie. What did he prove with that?
     He proved that he doesn't have talent to be director,
     writer and producer at the same time.
     A good idea isn't ehough, it's necessary talent.
     Honestly, he went TOO far.



#273 of 278 by tod on Fri Jun 25 16:00:03 2004:

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#274 of 278 by jvmv on Sat Jun 26 06:37:10 2004:

     Compared to films previous of him.
     Well, I know the difference between novella and
     comedy. My critic is only related to Ben's work
     as director.
     And, how I said before, what harmed his performance
     was the desire to do a lot of things at the
     same time.



#275 of 278 by tod on Sun Jun 27 18:40:51 2004:

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#276 of 278 by jvmv on Mon Jun 28 06:16:50 2004:

 
     It's no wonder that meybe another rewrite 'from the
     truth' was needed.
     The fact is Ben would be better off this way when he
     plays mild-mannered characters who get into hilarious
     trouble like 'Meet the parents'.
     This film is amusing, but not quite funny enough, for
     the most part there are a few laughable moments here &
     there.



#277 of 278 by tod on Mon Jun 28 15:55:05 2004:

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#278 of 278 by jvmv on Tue Jun 29 07:28:38 2004:

   
     *This film is amusing...I mean t Zoolander :(



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