Grex Cinema Conference

Item 55: Movie Item

Entered by janc on Wed Mar 26 15:36:09 2003:

245 new of 269 responses total.


#25 of 269 by goose on Tue Apr 1 22:46:42 2003:

Rented "One Hour Photo" sunday night...not as creepy as the description
but Robin Williams was awsome.  It makes a person think.....


#26 of 269 by mynxcat on Tue Apr 1 22:48:30 2003:

yeah, it makes you vow never to send film for processing again


#27 of 269 by jmsaul on Tue Apr 1 23:24:31 2003:

Manhunter already did that.


#28 of 269 by gull on Wed Apr 2 14:36:57 2003:

I finally rented _Attack of the Clones_ last night.

It was worth seeing, but it could have been so much better.  There's
clearly a pretty compelling story here, but it's largely one of
political intrigue.  Lucas does not do drama well, and he sure as heck
can't write a love scene.  The bad writing combined with some really
substandard acting by Hayden Christensen means that during the first
half of the movie, which should be full of suspense, you end up boredly
waiting for the explosions to start.

Once the fighting starts, things get fairly fun.  The battle scenes are
exciting, and we get to see some fairly well-choreographed light saber
battles.  Getting to see Yoda kick ass is probably worth the rental fee
by itself.  Some of the scenes seem below Lucas' usual standards, though
-- the speeder chase near the beginning of the movie, while it's set
against some lovely backgrounds, lacks the energy of the cycle chase
from "Return of the Jedi", the pod race from "The Phantom Menace", or
even the police chase in "The Fifth Element".  From most directors it
would be good enough, but coming from Lucas it's a bit disappointing.


#29 of 269 by tod on Wed Apr 2 18:21:45 2003:

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#30 of 269 by scott on Wed Apr 2 19:20:49 2003:

The only Star Wars movie with good fighting was "Phantom Menace" - "Attack
of the Clones" has actors with minimal coaching doing the fights, and it
shows.


#31 of 269 by scott on Wed Apr 2 23:01:54 2003:

I need to see "The Two Towers" again - I realized that my Yoda voice could
be repurposed as a Gollum voice.


#32 of 269 by jaklumen on Thu Apr 3 07:17:11 2003:

This Star Wars geek really could care less.


#33 of 269 by scott on Thu Apr 3 14:09:51 2003:

Which means that you do care, at least some?  :)


#34 of 269 by gizlnort on Thu Apr 3 17:06:46 2003:

I saw Ringu, a lovely Japanese film upon which the Ring is based.  Fascinating
flick....deep story that involved an intersting look at spirtualism in
combination with modern views.  Pardon the lack of details but I don't want
to spoil it for anyone who has not seen it.


#35 of 269 by jaklumen on Thu Apr 3 23:04:07 2003:

resp:33 Sure, but I decided to overlook the shortcomings.

My opinion?

Hayden Christiansen may have had a lackluster performance, but I think 
it wasn't necessarily inaccurate of how awkward, impulsive, hot-
tempered teenage boys can be, actually.

As far as Natalie Portman being miscast, well, hmm.. first of all, she 
is supposed to be Leia's mom.. and she was much younger supposedly 
when we last saw her.

The part I thought was lame was the cafe scene.. I would rather see 
aliens be exotic-looking than try to emulate Heartland Americana.

The material is a bit more interesting when you get Expanded Universe 
information.. such as is included in www.starwars.com.  Supposedly, 
Yoda heard Qui-Gon in the Force with Anakin's disturbance.

We still don't have the final product.  If what a friend told me is 
true, after Episode III runs through the theaters, all six Star Wars 
movies will be available in a DVD boxed set with more goodies.

I also think that these current movies are just a cash cow to generate 
bucks for other projects-- Lucas has admitted himself that he has 
wanted to have money to do movies that might not get made otherwise.

The valid criticism is probably that Lucas is using too much CGI and 
not enough real acting, which is taking away from the heart and soul 
of the pictures.  It was nice frosting on the old movies, but the new 
ones are like eating mostly frosting.

There is, of course, scads of novels and comic books out there that 
continue plotlines and fill in stories in between movies.. "Shadows Of 
The Empire" is one I have failed to pick up and really would like to 
read sometime.

Again, as a fan, I overlook the details.  There is a comic book or two 
where some storylines are pretty lighthearted and not part of the 
canon.



#36 of 269 by jaklumen on Thu Apr 3 23:05:03 2003:

Is "Shangai Knights" any good?


#37 of 269 by furs on Fri Apr 4 02:51:06 2003:

It's entertaining.  It's not as good as Shangai Noon, but it's fun.


#38 of 269 by janc on Fri Apr 4 04:34:44 2003:

I think Lucas suffers from a common problem:  learning the wrong lessons from
an early success.  Like he learned that he doesn't really need great actors.
Mark Hamill was good enough for Star Wars, why would he need good actors for
the prequels?  (Never mind Alex Guinnes, Harrison Ford, and James Earl Jones).
Didn't need great dialogue for the first film, why would you need it for the
later films?  People loved the special effects and sound in the first film,
let's focus on that instead....  Oh well.


#39 of 269 by remmers on Fri Apr 4 12:05:21 2003:

For what it's worth, my favorite Lucas film is "American Grafitti".


#40 of 269 by janc on Fri Apr 4 13:48:49 2003:

Which was packed full of unknown actors and actresses who quickly became
famous.  (Well, Ron Howard was famous - but as "Opie" - he wasn't exactly
a bankable adult star.)  I think this may have added to a "I can make my own
stars" attitude - which is fine, and partly true.  Lucas doesn't need big name
actors to draw crowds to his films.  But he still needs *good* ones to make
them work.


#41 of 269 by scott on Fri Apr 4 14:00:50 2003:

The first Star Wars had some pretty impressive actors, and Carrie Fisher once
remarked she'd learned a lot just getting through some of the scenes with
Peter Cushing.


#42 of 269 by gull on Fri Apr 4 14:20:36 2003:

Re #38: Sometimes I wonder, too, if he's gotten tired of the whole idea
of Star Wars movies and is just churning these three out to get them
over with.


#43 of 269 by jaklumen on Fri Apr 4 22:14:01 2003:

That's possible-- that's why I suggested the idea of them just being 
money generators now.


#44 of 269 by jep on Sat Apr 5 02:29:19 2003:

I've seen two movies in the last couple of weeks or so.

John and I saw "Piglet's Big Movie" last weekend, which is about 
Piglet feeling unimportant but turning out to be pretty special to 
everyone.

Do you know if you go to eBay and search for "Winnie the 
Pooh", "books" as a category doesn't even appear?

I'm interested in correcting a misimpression.  At age 6, my son is 
right on the verge of being too old for Pooh movies.  (At age 3, The 
Tigger Movie was *fabulous*, though.)  Were the Pooh books written for 
preschoolers?

The other movie I saw was "Daredevil".  It's much too violent for 
John, but I enjoyed it myself.  I think comic book themes make for 
pretty good movies.  This one was no exception.


#45 of 269 by janc on Sun Apr 6 04:12:45 2003:

I think the original Winnie the Pooh books were meant to be read to children,
but they also seem popular with philosophers and mathematicians.  I think the
target age range is possibly slightly older than the Disney Pooh.

By the way, Disney Pooh has very little relation to to the real Pooh.  If you
search through all the original Pooh books, you'll find exactly one picture
of Pooh in which he might be smiling.  Pooh is a perplexed bear, not a happy
bear.  It is nearly impossible to find a picture of Disney Pooh in which he
is not grinning from ear to ear.  Obviously an imposter.  I suspect Disney
Pooh is really Mickey Mouse in a bear suit.  At least we can be grateful that
Disney didn't give Eeyore a permanent smile.


#46 of 269 by krj on Sun Apr 6 04:43:25 2003:

Any fans of the silent film comedian Harold Lloyd in our readership?
Turner Classic Movies is having a Harold Lloyd festival every Sunday
in April, starting tomorrow/Sunday with "The Freshman."
http://www.turnerclassicmovies.com   for schedule information; note that
I suspect the web listing of 9 pm for the Sunday show may actually
be the 8 pm cited by the newspaper listings.  

Anyway: the article in USA Today made it sound like this will be 
the best presentation of Harold Lloyd films on television, ever.
The article said that the series will include all 11 of Lloyd's 
full-length movies, plus lots of shorts.

Leslie's been a fan of Lloyd's for years.


#47 of 269 by mcnally on Sun Apr 6 05:18:42 2003:

  I'd like to see them, but, alas, don't get Turner Classic Movies..


#48 of 269 by krj on Sun Apr 6 05:40:26 2003:

Here's a link for the Harold Lloyd festival:
 
http://www.turnerclassicmovies.com/ThisMonth/Article/0,,23980,00.html


#49 of 269 by krj on Mon Apr 7 00:17:52 2003:

(and yargh; the website WAS wrong, the first movie started at 
 8 pm, and we missed the beginning of it.)


#50 of 269 by gull on Mon Apr 7 15:25:08 2003:

Re #45: Tony Millionaire once did a Maakies comic strip in which the
Original Pooh beats the Disney Pooh senseless.  It was pretty amusing. 
I'd search for the link now, but I'm at work and that's probably not the
most appropriate setting to be viewing Maakies comics. ;)


#51 of 269 by jaklumen on Mon Apr 7 22:29:01 2003:

resp:45 No permanent smile, thankfully, but even Disney Eeyore smiles 
now and then.

someone told me that a parody existed called "Pooh goes Apeshit."  Any 
confirmation to this?  It sounded pretty ludicrous, especially where 
he kills everyone..

"The Tao of Pooh" and "The Te of Piglet," however, I have heard of.


#52 of 269 by gull on Tue Apr 8 02:29:41 2003:

I watched _The Core_ tonight.  I should have stayed home.  (Word must
have gotten around fast -- I was literally the only one in the theater.)
 It didn't have enough exciting bits to be a good action movie, or
enough plausible science to be a decent sci-fi movie.  It utterly failed
to keep the tempo or suspense up, so you had plenty of time to think
about the problems.

I think part of the problem is that it's always dangerous to set a
science fiction movie on present-day Earth.  If you set it in the
future, or on some other planet, it's not too hard to suspend disbelief
when all kinds of improbable technology turn up.  But if the movie is
set in the world you've spent your whole life in, it becomes glaringly
obvious that these things could never actually happen.

On top of all that, a lot of the special effects just weren't all that
convincing.  There was some good stuff (like the Golden Gate Bridge
sequence), but most of it was made-for-TV quality at best.


#53 of 269 by slynne on Sun Apr 13 13:43:31 2003:

I saw "Divine Intervention" on Friday at the Michigan Theater. 

This movie was made by Palestinian filmmaker, Elia Suleiman. I found 
the film to be brilliant at times with a somewhat subtle humor but also 
slow at times too. There isnt much dialog. There is some beautiful 
landscape shots that I found myself becoming absorbed with. There was a 
scene at the end that disturbed me a little bit because of the hated 
and violence of it but maybe that was the point *shrug*. All in all, I 
would say this is a movie worth going to see. 



#54 of 269 by mynxcat on Mon Apr 14 14:24:45 2003:

Over the weekend, I finally saw "BEnd it like Beckham" and I loved it. I'm
into "HInglish" movies, always curious to see how expatriate Indian/Pakistanis
are faring in the western world. very well made, very believable, and pretty
funny too.

Watched Howard's End. It was ok. Apart from a glimpse into Edwardian England
and a not so interesting plot of how the house that she's meant to be with
comes back t oher, the movie didn't really have much to offer me. 


#55 of 269 by other on Mon Apr 14 17:13:22 2003:

Finally saw Sex, Lies and Videotape.  I liked it, though some of the
characterization elements were a bit unsubtle.


#56 of 269 by janc on Thu Apr 17 13:54:49 2003:

Re 50:  Did some web searching and found the strip to which you refer
http://www.maakies.com/archive/m84.gif


#57 of 269 by scott on Sat Apr 19 00:47:28 2003:

Looks like "The Two Towers" just started at the Village (discount) Theater.


#58 of 269 by palesi on Sun Apr 20 01:49:40 2003:

 Teenage Caveman is a great movie. It has something, despite the poor acting
 and the sucking plot, that makes it a great movie. It has some kind of visual
 appeal, and the cinematography is excellent. Directed by Larry Clark. User
 Rating at us.imdb.com is 2.9 out of 10. Well that sux. I would give a stark
 8. I mean, cut off those prolonged sex scenes, the girl that explodes, and
 the other extravaganzas, and you have a neat visual movie. Rent this, it
 really deserves it. A great science fiction, anyone else agree?


#59 of 269 by aruba on Sun Apr 20 03:08:20 2003:

Do you mean the 1950's version of Teenage Caveman, or the recent remake?


#60 of 269 by palesi on Sun Apr 20 10:50:38 2003:

The recent remake, of coz.


#61 of 269 by giry on Sun Apr 20 13:52:03 2003:

Agora 25 <-> Cinema 55


#62 of 269 by mynxcat on Sun Apr 20 14:23:08 2003:

Anger Management had potential. Wasn't hjandled the best way.


#63 of 269 by cs on Sun Apr 20 15:47:21 2003:

i rented "Nine Queens" last night. this is a DAMN GOOD movie, aregentinian.

highly recommended.



#64 of 269 by scott on Sun Apr 20 15:55:57 2003:

"Cowboy BeBop" movie, the one currently in theaters in dubbed English.  Pretty
cool!  The voices are pretty decent, the weird humor intact.


#65 of 269 by palesi on Sun Apr 20 17:34:18 2003:

First i was a bit uncertain, now i think i know what makes Teenage Caveman
a superior movie. It is the special blend of sound and vision, that kind of
chemistry only a skilled director can pursue.


#66 of 269 by palesi on Sun Apr 20 23:43:01 2003:

Another seriously underrated movie, IMHO, is The Postman by Kevin Costner.
It is just great. I like it.


#67 of 269 by jaklumen on Mon Apr 21 06:52:36 2003:

*shrug* I haven't seen it, but speaking of the Kevin Costner movies I 
have seen--

he can direct, but he can't act his way out of a wet paper bag.


#68 of 269 by fitz on Mon Apr 21 13:33:39 2003:

Well, his breakthrough performance was as a corpse.  His deadpan delivery is
part of his charm, eh?  Esquire's Dubious Achievement award gave Costner the
Best Performance by an Inanimate Object a few years back.  (Maybe after Wyatt
Earp was released.)


#69 of 269 by gull on Mon Apr 21 16:21:05 2003:

I saw _Holes_ last week.  I enjoyed it quite a bit.  The acting by the
adult characters really makes it -- it's overblown in a really great,
Roald Dahl-ish sort of way.  I don't think this would be a good movie to
take very young children to, though, because I think it would give them
nightmares.  (And if it didn't, the preview for _Pirates of the
Carribean_ that runs before it certainly would.)


#70 of 269 by palesi on Mon Apr 21 16:24:56 2003:

Ok, Costner is no Gibson, and his acting requires some serious tuning (check
out the latest "Dragonfly", it is the triumph of boredom). But i think his
"deadpan delivery", as fitz named it, fits nicely with his role in The
Postman: a drifter, a solitary traveler. Rather, i think this is one of them
movies that "waxes too philosophical" for the general audience. Think about
this: i'm not american, but every time i watch this film, a patriotic felling
(usa-oriented) spreads in me, and i complain about the fact that this kind
of feeling DOESN'T EXIST in the country where i live (check out my name,
you'll guess what i'm talking about). When i watch the part when Costner takes
his ride among the woods with that "vehicle", and quotes Shakespeare ("once
more into the breach, dear friends..."), and i listen to the eroic background
music, i feel the lump in my throat, and i get hyped. It's so great. I think
most people aren't sensitive and cannot feel this, otherwise why such bad
critics for Costner and The Postman ?


#71 of 269 by anderyn on Mon Apr 21 16:42:34 2003:

My criticism for the Postman movie comes from the fact that I read the book,
which was/is a classic science fiction tale, and one which DOES leave that
lump in my throat, first. Well, it was written as a bunch of novellas, I
think,  before being put together in a book, but  Costner and the movie does
not do the themes  and the ideas in those stories justice. And Costner does
have the problem of "look at me, look at my butt" syndrome, which doesn't help
when you've seen a lot of his movies (I've seen four or five, I think.
Waterworld was the end for me! That's a BAAAD movie.)


#72 of 269 by glenda on Mon Apr 21 16:56:40 2003:

I agree with Twila.  I read the book, I think I made it through the first 1/2
hour of the moved before leaving in disgust (the kids were watching it on TV,
we were warned before paying money to see it, thank God).  I hate it when they
take a wonderful book and make a movie based on a book where the only
resembalance to the book is the characters name.


#73 of 269 by edina on Mon Apr 21 19:11:34 2003:

Costner has never been in a good movie that did not involve sports.  "The Big
Chill" doesn't count, as he wasn't ever on the screen.


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#75 of 269 by jmsaul on Mon Apr 21 20:19:32 2003:

Re #73:  "No Way Out" counts, though.  And it doesn't involve sports, even
         though there's a scene on a basketball court.


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#77 of 269 by palesi on Mon Apr 21 21:08:47 2003:

I haven't read the book for The Postman, so i can't make a comparison. But
i still think that some people have this stigma towards Costner, and i cannot
understand why. Maybe it's just envy?


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#79 of 269 by scott on Mon Apr 21 21:52:40 2003:

"A Perfect World" was pretty good, although most of the credit goes to the
kid actor.  


#80 of 269 by scott on Mon Apr 21 21:55:29 2003:

(moments later, on further reflection)

Actually it's kind of cool that Costner at least tries to some of the sci-fi
stuff, even if the execution isn't especially good.  You'd have to go back
to James Caan or Charlton Heston to come up with somebody who doesn't seem
like the SF type but keeps showing up in SF movies.


#81 of 269 by tod on Mon Apr 21 22:00:21 2003:

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#82 of 269 by scott on Mon Apr 21 22:09:59 2003:

Er, yeah.  Although now that my memory has been jogged I'd add Sylvester
Stallone (even if just for "Demolition Man", because it's so funny) to that
list.  But even Arnie tends to depend on his co-stars to make the movie really
happen (see Richard Dawson in "The Running Man" for proof), while Caan and
Heston were the main attraction.


#83 of 269 by mcnally on Mon Apr 21 22:22:59 2003:

 (a lot of action-movie heroes seem to wind up in big-budget science fiction
 movies.  Another example would be Bruce Willis in "The Fifth Element" and/or
 "Deep Armageddon" (or whatever that meteor movie was named..))


#84 of 269 by palesi on Mon Apr 21 22:57:52 2003:

It's Deep Armageddon Impact :)


#85 of 269 by gull on Tue Apr 22 12:38:45 2003:

I think he was in _Armageddon_, but not _Deep Impact_.  I didn't like
either particularly well.  I liked _The Fifth Element_, though.


#86 of 269 by palesi on Tue Apr 22 22:14:05 2003:

What do you think of the upcoming Terminator 3, starring Arnie, as usual? The
previous terminators were jolly good, i just hope this one will live up to
them.


#87 of 269 by remmers on Tue Apr 22 23:06:33 2003:

Is James Cameron directing the next Terminator?


#88 of 269 by palesi on Tue Apr 22 23:31:34 2003:

I don't think so.


#89 of 269 by gull on Wed Apr 23 12:59:25 2003:

I think it's going to be pretty funny to see Arnie having to fake his
own accent.


#90 of 269 by palesi on Fri Apr 25 00:02:29 2003:

What do you mean, gull?


#91 of 269 by jep on Fri Apr 25 15:45:11 2003:

With a lot of Clint Eastwood's later movies, it was kind of funny 
watching him, obviously aged, trying to act in an action role.  In 
the "Every Which Way But Loose" series, he was in his 50's or 60's but 
in the role of a prize fighter.  Why wasn't he torn right in half by 
some of those 30-ish guys?

Arnold Schwarzenneger's character (I don't know how to spell his name), 
as a robot from the future, should be ageless.  In Terminator 2, he 
already looked out of place because of his age, and that must have been 
15 years ago.  What are they going to do for this movie, have him 
hobbling around with a cane and attacking people with his shuffleboard 
stick?  I dread his return in Terminator 4 in the year 2020, when the 
robot character will have to be built into a wheelchair and probably in 
company of a geriatric attendant.

It's an old circumstance for Hollywood, who had John Wayne slugging it 
out and shooting it out on equal terms with much younger men.  At least 
John Wayne played the role of a grandfather in some of his later 
movies.  (A derring-do grandfather, but a grandfather.)  "Rocky" got 
older as the series continued.  James Bond goes through cycles, getting 
older then rejuvenated.

How can the Terminator get older, though?


#92 of 269 by gull on Fri Apr 25 16:26:39 2003:

Re #90: His accent is a lot less strong now than it was in the early
films.  He'll have to force the stronger accent or it won't seem the same.


#93 of 269 by tod on Fri Apr 25 16:30:19 2003:

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#94 of 269 by palesi on Fri Apr 25 20:25:11 2003:

Oh, i see. You see, i've always watched The Terminator(s) dubbed in my
language, and that accent thing wasn't reflected, of course.

By the way, i've heard that in this Terminator Arnie represents a new model,
not the same one from Terminator 1/2, which looks older. I'm not 100% sure
about this, but anyway that would be a nice sleight of hand.

Well, "old" means "wise" too, but in the case of a Terminator, i have my
doubts...


#95 of 269 by jaklumen on Fri Apr 25 23:10:34 2003:

My gut feeling says that without big director James Cameron, the flick 
isn't going to do so well.  The die-hard fans might see it, but I 
can't imagine it being a success.


#96 of 269 by scott on Fri Apr 25 23:12:44 2003:

I could imagine Arnie as the "prototype" for the T1 robot, and appearing as
such in T3/4.  It was a great twist in T2 with a pretty unassuming guy as the
real badass terminator character.


#97 of 269 by tod on Sat Apr 26 00:07:17 2003:

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#98 of 269 by jazz on Sat Apr 26 15:12:11 2003:

        I liked the T2's creepy stalker vibe.


#99 of 269 by oval on Sat Apr 26 15:13:29 2003:

have i missed the bowling for columbine drift?



#100 of 269 by mynxcat on Sat Apr 26 18:00:25 2003:

totally


#101 of 269 by bru on Sun Apr 27 05:20:18 2003:

well, it seems one of the terminators, a newer, faster, more deadly model,
is actually female in build.

Go see Bulletproof Monk.

Good for the 12 year old in you.


#102 of 269 by janc on Sun Apr 27 19:50:58 2003:

Apparantly Schwarzenegger is the main force behind T3.  T1 was Cameron's
first film, very low-budget (but the low budget was spent in the right
places, so it isn't all that obvious).  It was a rousing success, but he
was in no position in those days to get control over the rights to his
work.  So other people own the Terminator series, and Cameron would
rather work on projects he benefits more from.  Linda Hamilton played
Connor in the first two films.  She is Cameron's wife, I think, and
opted out of T3 too, claiming the script was soulless.  Overall, this
sounds like the film that will kill the Terminator series dead.


#103 of 269 by aruba on Mon Apr 28 01:15:16 2003:

According to IMDB, Cameron & Hamilton married in 1997 and are now divorced.
I also learned that she has an identical twin sister.


#104 of 269 by tod on Mon Apr 28 16:16:21 2003:

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#105 of 269 by edina on Mon Apr 28 16:58:53 2003:

Isn't it Suzy Amis?  From Titanic?


#106 of 269 by tod on Mon Apr 28 17:16:20 2003:

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#107 of 269 by remmers on Mon Apr 28 23:17:36 2003:

Three former M-Net folks?  Care to name names (and/or login ids)?


#108 of 269 by tod on Mon Apr 28 23:20:23 2003:

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#109 of 269 by jazz on Tue Apr 29 03:29:37 2003:

        Nor were they ever spotted in Eloise.


#110 of 269 by jmsaul on Tue Apr 29 03:29:54 2003:

One of them was fixer, right?


#111 of 269 by tod on Tue Apr 29 04:15:15 2003:

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#112 of 269 by mooncat on Tue Apr 29 19:52:05 2003:

re #103- I believe the twin sister made an appearance in T2 (the 
character was having a dream in which she saw herself with a couple 
kids)

Recently saw: Bulletproof Monk- and very much enjoyed it. The fight 
scenes were a blast to watch, as well as Chow Yun Fat's interaction 
with Seann William Scott's (I think that's him) character. There was 
even a fairly decent pliot attached to it that I liked. Okay, it's a 
martial arts film and often their plots are rather, well, lame- but one 
doesn't go to see those movies for the plots. Really. <grins>

Lessee, also saw Rabbit Proof Fence- a movie about three Aborigine 
girls trying to make their way home along the Rabbit Proof fence. A 
really very hard movie, in some aspects, but very well done. Definitely 
a tear jerker. The three young actresses did a really good job, imo.

Also saw The Importance of Being Earnest and loved it. I'm a big fan of 
Colin Firth and Rupert Evertt and watching them together in this Oscar 
Wilde play turned movie was just a blast. Judi Dench and Reese 
Witherspoon did very well with their roles, I especially adored Dame 
Judi Dench's protrayal. I was reminded in many ways of An Ideal 
Husband, not at all surprising all things considered, and enjoyed this 
movie just as much.

Oh and Ghost Ship... which had several things going for it, and all in 
all wasn't a horrible movie. A crew who scavenge the oceans find 
a 'deserted' oceanliner and go exploring while dreaming of how they 
will spend their millions when they get it back to shore. Well, it of 
course, can't work that way. As horror movies go- it was fun, a plot 
different from a lot of horror movies I've seen. It just really wasn't 
all that scarey to me. Some parts were definitely creepy, and some 
things sudden, but just didn't particularly scare me. I still liked it 
though.


#113 of 269 by aruba on Tue Apr 29 23:23:03 2003:

Re #112: Looks like you're right:

http://us.imdb.com/Bio?Hamilton%20Gearren,%20Leslie


#114 of 269 by anderyn on Wed Apr 30 00:39:14 2003:

We (bruce and i) also both liked "bulletproof monk". i thought that it was
an excellent example of the "bring your inner twelve-year-old" and have a
blast movie. (And the interaction/chemistry between Chow Yun-Fat and Seann
William Scott is amazingly good for a buddy movie. )


#115 of 269 by jazz on Wed Apr 30 12:56:43 2003:

        I didn't mind Ghost Ship, either, though I came in on the first
scene, which was a rather grisly little piece of special effects wizardry
involving God's own weed whacker and several pirouetting human weeds.


#116 of 269 by bru on Wed Apr 30 13:11:32 2003:

twila really liked the prevue for Prates of the Caribbean.  Loks mighty spooky
and swashbucklerish.


#117 of 269 by tod on Wed Apr 30 17:32:49 2003:

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#118 of 269 by edina on Fri May 2 14:52:23 2003:

Saw "X2" last night at the midnight showing.  (Yes, I was the oldest person
there.)  I loved it, but I'm easy to please.  My friends (hardcore X-Men fans
) weren't as thrilled with it as I was (too much back story they thought -
and that's true - there's tons of back story), but couldn't deny some of the
effects are pretty amazing.  Got to see a ton of cool new mutants (Kitty
Pride, Banshee, Colossus, Pyro, Nightcrawler [worth price of admission, imo]
and Lady Deathstrike.  Definitely worth not getting sleep.  :)


#119 of 269 by jazz on Sat May 3 04:03:26 2003:

        Suhweet.  They've got Nightcrawler.  Did they fix Kitty's age too?


#120 of 269 by krj on Sun May 4 03:15:57 2003:

Leslie & I just saw "Treasure Planet" on DVD.  This Disney animated
setting of the Robert Louis Stevenson story was a notorious bomb 
at the box office, losing maybe $140 million.  But we loved it -- 
probably the best animated adventure story I've seen since, well, 
I can't remember when.  My only guess is that it was too literary
for the usual animated film audience.   Now I wish we'd seen it on 
the big screen.


#121 of 269 by anderyn on Sun May 4 03:47:53 2003:

Everyone I know who saw it (all three people, we weren't going to movies when
it was at the theatre) loved "Treasure Planet".

We saw X2. Very nice. 


#122 of 269 by jaklumen on Sun May 4 08:47:36 2003:

Julie's a bigger Marvel geek than I am, so I'm pretty sure she's 
stoked for X2.  I made a point of emphasizing clips of Nightcrawler in 
the trailers and appearances of the actor on various shows-- the 
character is a favorite of hers.

But we both agreed that we must see Matrix: Reloaded.


#123 of 269 by drew on Sun May 4 11:32:33 2003:

When I said I wanted the Future (tm) to be like the Jetsons, I had in mind
things like flying cars, housecleaning robots, and three day work weeks.
I did NOT want to see the movie named after the book that Elroy Jetson would
have had to do a book report on! Just what *is* it with the Disney people?


#124 of 269 by furs on Sun May 4 14:38:03 2003:

I loved X2.  Better than the first one.
Great effects, great characters.
AWESOME!


#125 of 269 by mynxcat on Sun May 4 23:25:45 2003:

re-watched Zoolander on DVD, among others, LOVED it all over again.

Also watched A Mirror has two faces. Barbara Streissand is always a pleasure
to watch. Tried The Wizard of Oz, but I guess I'm too old for it


#126 of 269 by anderyn on Mon May 5 00:32:20 2003:

Matrix:Reloaded did not impress with the trailer at X2. I don't think I'll
go. (Though it was kind of funny to see all the Agent Smiths attacking Neo.
I was having a Elrond moment there.) What I want to see is The League of
Extraordinary Gentlemen. Wow. And Pirates of the Caribbean. Double wow.

Oh, and there were a couple of times in X2 where Magneto said something and
I was flashing on Gandalf saying it (he just used his "gandalf" voice, I
guess) so that was kind of funny too. 

Nightcrawler was very very cool. I don't recall him having tattoos/brands in
the comics, though? I only ever read the later Xmen comics so I never actually
saw him being a major character in the comics. 


#127 of 269 by janc on Mon May 5 03:50:36 2003:

Hmmm...  double feature:  "Bulletproof Monk" and "Rabbit Proof Fence".  I
almost like that as much as the "Hair" / "Shampoo" double feature.

"Ghost Ship" looks thoroughly uninteresting to me - except that Robert
Zemickis is involved and he's my favorite director.  Guess I gotta see it.


#128 of 269 by jaklumen on Tue May 6 00:30:50 2003:

resp:126 to each their own; Julie and I were pumped from the earliest 
teaser trailers.  We will see both Matrix: Reloaded and Matrix: 
Revolutions.  I've been reading about the new cinematography, and I am 
very, very excited.

No, Nightcrawler never had tattoos/brands in the comics.  He wasn't 
part of the original team when the X-Men was first introduced, 
either.  The original X-Men lineup included: Angel, Beast, Iceman, 
Cyclops, and Marvel Girl (that would be Jean Grey-- I have forgotten 
why "Marvel Girl" was dropped).  The others were added later.

If I remember right, Nightcrawler's first appearance was Prof X 
rescuing him from a circus-- he'd been a sideshow freak/acrobatic 
act.  I can't help but wonder if they will explore the relationship 
between him and Mystique in the movies (she's his mom).


#129 of 269 by mcnally on Tue May 6 08:26:19 2003:

  If I recall correctly, there's a brief appearance in X2 by a character
  named Hank McCoy.  Wasn't that "the Beast's" name in the comic books?
  The person who went by that name in the movie was a talking head on a
  brief television segment, and he wasn't blue and hairy..


#130 of 269 by jazz on Tue May 6 13:25:24 2003:

        Yep ... same with the odd Kitty Pryde cameo in both episodes.


#131 of 269 by albaugh on Tue May 6 21:14:49 2003:

Took kid to see Lizzie McGuire.  I can't judge well on quality of kid flick.
It was good clean fun, although the heroine did a lot of sneaking out during
her school trip to Rome.  It's OK.


#132 of 269 by palesi on Tue May 6 22:34:56 2003:

What do you think of the Matrix reloaded and stuff?


#133 of 269 by jaklumen on Wed May 7 04:45:06 2003:

Look back a few responses, I am quite pumped.


#134 of 269 by gull on Wed May 7 14:11:53 2003:

Re #120: I liked _Treasure Planet_ too, when I rented it last weekend. 
I think the critics hated it because it wasn't one of those massive,
epic films everyone expects Disney to make.  The thing is, I'm usually
pretty indifferent towards their massive, epic films because they seem
so overblown.  It could probably have done with fewer zany sidekick
characters, though.

Re #126: _League of Extraordinary Gentlemen_ is one I'm looking forward
to.  I also want to see _Matrix: Reloaded_, though.  On the other hand,
I'm not too interested in _Pirates of the Caribbean_.  I'm not that into
traditional horror films.  I also thought it was really poor judgement
to show a very intense, nightmarish trailer for it before the movie
_Holes_, which is aimed at children.



#135 of 269 by mcnally on Wed May 7 19:40:41 2003:

  I fear "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" is the big-budget comic-booky
  action film most likely to suck this summer.  The trailers are not at all
  promising -- they're so murky you can't particularly see or hear what's 
  going on and they do very little to convince me that I want to see the movie.

  I'd like for it to be good, but I'm not going to be surprised if it's not..


#136 of 269 by gull on Wed May 7 20:41:16 2003:

Oh yeah, I also want to see the remake of _The Italian Job_.  The trailers
looked pretty good.


#137 of 269 by anderyn on Wed May 7 21:07:09 2003:

I have read only a little of "League", the comic book. The characters in that
were/are slightly different than the characters in "League", the movie (I
don't THINK Tom Sawyer is in the comic)... but of course I have a soft spot
for Sean Connery in Victorian dress, so I'll be there. (Also a reason for
seeing "Pirates": Orlando Bloom and Johnny Depp in swashbuckling clothes.)
Fantasy ho! :-) 


#138 of 269 by albaugh on Mon May 12 16:49:09 2003:

Just saw an ad last night for the movie apparently going only by "HULK".


#139 of 269 by gregb on Mon May 12 18:07:36 2003:

That would be for the movie based on Marvel's comic, "The Hulk."


#140 of 269 by edina on Mon May 12 18:14:22 2003:

I saw a "Got Milk" ad with the new Hulk yesterday.  I chuckled.


#141 of 269 by gull on Mon May 12 20:35:41 2003:

I thought the arthritis medication ad with Frankenstein's Monster was 
hilarious.


#142 of 269 by gregb on Tue May 13 16:36:41 2003:

X2's been out over a week now and noone's posted a review.  Come on, 
let's hear about it!  B-)


#143 of 269 by edina on Tue May 13 16:58:41 2003:

I reviewed it the mornign after I saw it.  Scroll back a bit.


#144 of 269 by gregb on Tue May 13 17:09:51 2003:

Oops!  That's right, you did.


#145 of 269 by mooncat on Tue May 13 20:31:01 2003:

re #118- Umm, Banshee wasn't in this movie... that screaming child 
would have been Siryn, Banshee's daughter.

re #129- The Beast's real name is Hank McCoy- his mutation was 
increased strength and agility. The blue fuzz came from an experiment 
he was working on gone wrong. So it would be 'possible' in movie terms 
that he was speaking on TV before the accident that made him blue and 
fuzzy.

For my part, I was really geeked to see the name Remy Lebeau (on the 
computer when Mystique was looking for Magneto), I would love to see 
Gambit in one of these movies.

The ages seem to be messed up all over the place. The only ones I can 
see that they got right are the Professor, Magneto, Wolverine and 
Jubilee. Kitty is a few years older than Jubilee is, I believe (she did 
leave the X-Men to go join Nightcrawler's British based Excalibur team) 
and JB is with Banshee's and the White Queen's new group of students. 

Heh, not only is Mystique supposedly Nightcrawler's mother, but was 
Rogue's foster mother AND had a fling with Sabretooth that produced a 
completely normal human (who hates mutants and is trying to hunt down 
Mommy and Daddy).

Oh, you all knew I was a gook, right? <grins>

Oh, opinion on the movie- I really enjoyed the second installment of 
the X-Men movies, and think that they'll do all right if they can keep 
Bryan Singer involved. The opening scene with Nightcrawler was just 
wonderfully done- showing off his teleporting abilities nicely.

I was very pleased to see the cameos of Colossus, Kitty, Siryn, Gambit, 
etc., letting the viewer know that while they are not a part of this 
story per se, they are still around and haven't been forgotten.

I still say though that they did a bad thing in killing off Kelly in 
the first movie- in my mind he's always been the real bad guy. Stryker 
as a bad guy worked well in this movie, though I have no idea where 
they got him, or his son. Oh well, it was nicely done. 

The mutant abilities were shown well, first in Nightcrawler's trick, 
and then the freeze of the people in the cafe thanks to the Prof. Very 
nice. 

I give it two thumbs up and encourage you all to let your inner 12 year 
old out and enjoy the movie.


#146 of 269 by jmsaul on Wed May 14 02:21:28 2003:

I thought it was fun.  What's with the kid with the blue forked tongue, by
the way?  (I don't know the comic books.)


#147 of 269 by edina on Wed May 14 15:19:02 2003:

From what I recall, he's just a mutant. Like Anne, I saw it twice the first
day - I am still astounded by how much I loved Alan Cumming in this movie (and
how grateful that Cyclops wasn't in it that much).  Alan Cumming is turning
out to be one of those actors I just can't see making anything bad.


#148 of 269 by mooncat on Wed May 14 20:55:23 2003:

(er... that was supposed to be geek back in 145... dunno where that 
typo came from)


#149 of 269 by jaklumen on Wed May 14 22:25:48 2003:

got the meaning, nevertheless =)


#150 of 269 by krj on Sat May 17 05:51:19 2003:

I'm not much of a comics fan, so I can't review X-Men 2 for faithfulness
to the source material.  On its own it works well, one of the best 
comic book movies of the last 25 years or so -- I liked this better
than Spiderman or the first X-Men movie.  The new movie does a 
good job with the whole teenage angst theme of the series.
The action scenes aren't overdone as is normal in the genre.

There is almost no character set-up in this movie: it's assumed that 
the audience all saw the last episode.


#151 of 269 by senna on Sat May 17 18:30:23 2003:

I was actually impressed by X2, which threw in some reasonably interesting
plot elements, and while it's "fate of the free world" storyline is always
the kind of thing that's hard to top, it was presented well.  Character
features were good, and the cameos of other characters (they could make ten
movies with all the characters in the X universe if they wanted to, but there
just isn't time) were nice without trying to showcase anybody too much.  

In two movies they've rushed through perhaps 20 years of comic development,
with the teaser at the very end giving us a good indication of where else the
series might be going.  I was pleased about it.  



I saw Matrix Reloaded last night, and I was impressed.  It's the sort of move
that you're better off finding things out about by going--some of the plot
elements (and the twists, oh man) are good things to be taken unaware.  There
was an unecessary "Rave" scene early in the flick that went on longer than
was required by the plot, but other than that most of this movie went rather
well.  The challenge in following up a movie as mindbending as the original
Matrix cannot be understated, but the Wachowski brothers have masterpiece
potential on their hands if the third movie lives up to this one.  

It is visually stunning, it is thought-provoking (choice and control, choice
and control, you'll be tossing this around), and it crafts its obstacles so
well that you can honestly believew that a virtually all-powerful hero
actually can't just do everything.  That's a real challenge when you've
already established that the hero is pretty much unbeatable, but this movie
did it well--the trick?  Neo can't be in two places at one time.  

The action sequences didn't have much in the way of new revolutionary
technology; they used teh old stuff and some subtle new stuff very well, and
the highway scene was one of the best action sequences I have ever seen in
any movie.  Perhaps the best.  They threw money at this movie in the right
places.


#152 of 269 by jazz on Sun May 18 01:57:43 2003:

        The Matrix is a tricky one to deal with.  It's carried along so well
by visual style and action that it's hard not to like, but when it tries to
get deep, it stumbles across some serious gaps of credibility, and mires
itself in attempts at philosophy that amount to some higher power simply
saying "I thought you'd have figured that out by now."


#153 of 269 by edina on Mon May 19 15:32:16 2003:

I liked it!!!  I can't wait to see it again.  I hated that I missed a key
point in it, but was happy that I picked up on something that noone else did.
And warning, to anyone seeing it, stay for ALL of hte credits, as they show
the preview for Revolutions.


#154 of 269 by furs on Tue May 20 14:01:03 2003:

I liked it as well.  However the first part of the movie was a little 
slow, and I agree with the "rave" scene comment above.  But other than 
that it was a lot of fun.  I LOVED the increased amount of hand-to-hand 
combat.  Awesome!


#155 of 269 by edina on Tue May 20 14:23:28 2003:

I was initially disappointed that there wasn't more of the twins, but they're
listed in the credits for Revolutions (as well as Persephone), so I'll get
my fix there.  


#156 of 269 by remmers on Tue May 20 16:46:01 2003:

For some reason that I am unable to explain even to myself, I rented
"Children of the Corn" yesterday.  Having now seen it, the mystery of
why I rented it has grown even deeper.


#157 of 269 by furs on Tue May 20 16:59:54 2003:

I hated that movie because they let all the people live.  (Different 
from the book where they all died, I think.)


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#159 of 269 by remmers on Tue May 20 17:32:28 2003:

I grew up in the middle of Indiana.  Still not compelling.


#160 of 269 by remmers on Tue May 20 17:33:29 2003:

(Apparently, "Children of the Corn" has had SIX sequels.)


#161 of 269 by md on Tue May 20 22:54:43 2003:

We saw Matrix II over the weekend.  Not bad.  I liked the special 
effects.  The celebrated fight with the multiple Smiths was the best in 
that respect, although from a logic-and-reason standpoint you wonder 
why Neo didn't just fly away in the first place.  I mean, since he 
could, and eventually did, just fly away.

I feel sorry for poor Trinity, though.  She always storms in like 
gangbusters only to get her butt kicked by the bad guys.  She's not a 
great fighter.  But there was some mention of a mystery uberwoman at 
the end.  Could that be Trinity in Matrix III?


#162 of 269 by gull on Tue May 20 23:07:35 2003:

Re #161: Based on the fight at the beginning of the movie, I suspect Neo
just likes to kick agent ass.  I assumed the fight with the Smiths
before he flew away was pretty much recreational until there were just
plain too many for him.


#163 of 269 by slynne on Wed May 21 02:31:47 2003:

It was pretty cool though!


#164 of 269 by gull on Wed May 21 02:59:08 2003:

No arguments. :)


#165 of 269 by jmsaul on Wed May 21 03:11:04 2003:

It was also completely CGI.  I was surprised.


#166 of 269 by goose on Wed May 21 03:56:56 2003:

I dunno how they say it's completely CGI.  They shot a lot of film on Alemeda.
(I was living quite close to one of the sets)


#167 of 269 by pvn on Wed May 21 07:07:31 2003:

How do you know you were living close to one of the sets?



#168 of 269 by anderyn on Wed May 21 12:16:45 2003:

We may wait to see Matrix:Reloaded when the third movie comes out. I waited
until last week to see the first one. And wasn't super thrilled with it. It
was okay, but ... the plot is something I've seen/read a million times before,
and it's not one of my favorites. The big scenes WERE amazing, but what I'd
really like is the edit where you just see the cool fight scenes (and maybe
the "there is no spoon" one...). :-)


#169 of 269 by gull on Wed May 21 13:11:44 2003:

He *thinks* he was living close to one of the sets, but it's all an
elaborate simulation. ;)


#170 of 269 by goose on Wed May 21 13:12:24 2003:

RE#167 -- I have friends who worked on the movie.


#171 of 269 by md on Wed May 21 13:17:40 2003:

Yeah, conversations in Matrix I were annoying but probably necessary.  
The conversations in Matrix II are just annoying.  My kids were making 
fun of the big Oracle scene: "Man, that conversation with Oracle was 
awesome!"  "Dude, greatest conversation I've ever seen in a movie."


#172 of 269 by jazz on Wed May 21 13:25:56 2003:

        I have to agree.  The whole franchise would work better if they just
kept everyone quiet, played more music to cover it up, and threw in
explosions every fifteen minutes or so for artistic effect.


#173 of 269 by jmsaul on Wed May 21 15:11:49 2003:

I meant that the big fight with all of the Smiths was completely CGI.


#174 of 269 by jaklumen on Thu May 22 02:43:07 2003:

resp:168  I dunno-- the Messianic theme is an old one, but I think the 
spin was somewhat new.  At any rate, I like the movies and I'll be 
watching.


#175 of 269 by senna on Thu May 22 05:38:28 2003:

I've been amused to see certain people trash the dialogue in Matrix 
movies for making stabs at intelligence and depth (regardless of their 
success).  The trashers, of course, are typically capable of talking 
philosophy on higher levels than the movie, but sometimes it seems like 
their goal is to *prove* that they are so capable.  I'm probably wrong, 
but it comes off weird--particularly when you consider a slick but 
ultimately formulaic action flick like Gladiator won Best Picture.  

Movies often strive to be more than they are, and they sometimes even 
succeed, but it's not uncommon for movies to bite off more than an 
audience can chew.  I admire the people behind the Matrix for putting 
some actual thought into the flick, even if it is a mishmash of well-
trod concepts, because that's still a lot better than what you get in 
most other movies.  It's just a movie, after all.  Some people enjoy 
that stuff, and be careful what you get taken in by.  The wordiest 
scene (to avoid spoiling anything, I'll call it the "scene with the 
television screens") was so laid on that I got the distinct feeling 
that I was watching an event filmed to be largely tongue-in-cheek.  The 
Wochowskis know that their exposition tends to be "fancy," and I think 
they play with it.



#176 of 269 by jmsaul on Thu May 22 11:53:44 2003:

My problem with the dialogue is that it's too lengthy and repetitive -- which
is basically my problem with Matrix Reloaded in general.  The pacing is off.
The scene with all the Smiths in the courtyard is an example.  It was cool
for a while, but it went on too long, and it's too repetitive.  The first
movie had much, much better pacing.


#177 of 269 by gull on Thu May 22 13:27:34 2003:

Yeah, that's true.  The rave scene is another example.  The movie could
have been a lot more tightly edited, but I suppose after you spend a lot
of money on an expensive CGI scene you get reluctant to cut bits of it out.


#178 of 269 by jmsaul on Thu May 22 16:58:39 2003:

Yet another example, yes.  In fact, virtually every scene in the movie is an
example.  I think the pacing really hurt it, it would have been improved by
cutting 20% across the board.


#179 of 269 by gull on Thu May 22 17:15:30 2003:

I think so.  When you look at really good action movies, like Star Wars
(Episode IV) or the original Matrix movie, they're cut pretty tightly. 
You have to keep the energy level up, and that means not lingering too
long on one scene.


#180 of 269 by slynne on Thu May 22 17:31:53 2003:

Hmmm. I didnt have the same problems with the pacing of this movie. 
There were some parts that I felt were off but they were mostly in the 
beginning and were pretty minor. 


#181 of 269 by flem on Thu May 22 18:24:26 2003:

Saw X-men 2 the other day, and I tend to agree with the general opinion I seem
to be hearing that it was better than the first one.  Even, I'd go so far as
to say, pretty good.  You can usually tell my opinion of a movie, if you're
watching it with me, by how many snide comments I make, and generally by how
noisy I am.  If I'm quiet, it's a good movie.  If it sucks, I'll constantly
be laughing at the wrong times and doing the mst3k thing.  I was pretty quiet
during X2.  


#182 of 269 by edina on Thu May 22 21:23:48 2003:

I saw it with two friends the first time who are the most annoyhingly quiet
movie-goers on teh planet.  I saw it the next day with my ex-husband, who
leaned over to me when Wolverine is at Alkali Lake, and said, "Jesus - is he
wearing FLARES!?"  I prefer the fun interjection from time to time.


#183 of 269 by senna on Fri May 23 01:24:05 2003:

I agree about the pacing in Reloaded, at least in certain points.  Joe's
pretty much dead-on about the Smith battle, which was interesting, and...
well, long. I got the picture.  

Honestly, the Oracle scene seemed a bit rushed.  The scene in the first movie
was probably the best part of the film, and it was more laid back.  I wonder
if they suffered from losing the actress before they could refine everything.


#184 of 269 by oval on Fri May 23 13:53:54 2003:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/30747.html


#185 of 269 by gull on Fri May 23 14:58:24 2003:

I thought the bits involving the Keymaker, and the use of keys, were the
most interesting concepts this time around.


#186 of 269 by edina on Fri May 23 17:51:29 2003:

Heh.  "Linc, I need a program uploaded to hotwire a  . . .Nevermind."  Cracked
me up.


#187 of 269 by jaklumen on Sat May 24 21:11:33 2003:

Julie and I finally saw X2 late yesterday afternoon, despite a young 
baby daughter of ours wanting to crawl all over the theater floor.  I 
was surprised that they put in so many teasers of Jean Grey becoming 
the Phoenix (people who don't read the comic books may have missed 
this) and I was definitely impressed with the Nightcrawler character.  
The CGI for the teleportation effects were terrific.


#188 of 269 by aruba on Mon May 26 05:30:40 2003:

Saw Matrix II tonight.  I haven't decided what I think yet about the
philosphy.  (I was suprised that the bits between the fights were mostly
people speaking philosophically - there was more of that than there was plot
developement.)  It did spawn a really interesting philosophical discussion
about choice, fate, destiny, and then the nature of the soul, among the
three of us who went.  (Afterward, we went to Grizzly Peak in search of one
of those "magic desserts". ;))


#189 of 269 by scott on Mon May 26 23:21:24 2003:

Saw "A Mighty Wind", Christopher Guest's latest mockumentary.  Pretty funny
spoof of the folk music scene, although not quite as funny as "Best in Show".
Maybe more accurate than funny.


#190 of 269 by mary on Mon May 26 23:24:45 2003:

It's going to be pretty hard to top "Best in Show".  But
I too enjoyed "Mighty Wind".  Although he totally missed
the activist component.  That could have been clever too.


#191 of 269 by mary on Mon May 26 23:26:22 2003:

"Bruce Almighty" was a whole lot of fun.  Morgan Freeman
made a great God.


#192 of 269 by jep on Tue May 27 00:09:35 2003:

I rented "Jaws" and "Patriot Games" on DVD.  I didn't get very far 
through "Patriot Games".  I just wasn't in the mood for it.

Jaws, though, I hadn't seen except on TV, and that when I was a 
teenager.  It wasn't keep-me-up terrifying.  It was gory in spots, and 
silly in spots, but I enjoyed watching it.

Some day there'll be a remake of it with modern graphics.  It could be 
an amazing Imax movie.


#193 of 269 by mooncat on Tue May 27 04:55:06 2003:

Saw Spy Kids II, was cute- not quite as cute as the first one, but 
close. Antonio Banderas actually does a really good job in these two 
movies, he has a nice sense of comic timing. These are definitely kids 
movies, but they're really cute.


#194 of 269 by edina on Tue May 27 15:25:03 2003:

I love those movies!!  I think they are great.  Well cast, well acted, fun
effects.  And I'll see anything wiht Alan Cumming.


#195 of 269 by mooncat on Wed May 28 21:04:47 2003:

Tee hee, he is fun isn't he? I had no idea he would be in the second 
one, but the way they brought him in made perfect sense. I did love all 
the gadgets, I gotta admit. :)


#196 of 269 by gregb on Thu May 29 14:28:08 2003:

Re. 181, 182:  My opinion is that I'm there to see a flick, not to be 
distracted by people flapping their lips.  If you need to speak to 
whomever your with, then wisper.

On a related note:  I love the commercial for M&Ms where this guy is 
constantly making comments in a theater and people are complaining and 
throwing popcorn at his head.  Finally, someone throws the big, yellow 
M&M and knocks him out of his seat.  I cheered!


#197 of 269 by edina on Thu May 29 14:31:17 2003:

My big gripe is when people take their babies to the movies.  They can never
keep them quiet and it's annoying.


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#199 of 269 by jazz on Thu May 29 16:16:24 2003:

        People who try to hold a cell phone conversation in a theatre.


#200 of 269 by slynne on Thu May 29 16:30:44 2003:

People who are too stupid to understand the movie so they keep asking 
their companions to explain what is going on. Actually, any prolonged 
conversation during movies bugs me. I can handle a stray comment here 
and there. 



#201 of 269 by gull on Thu May 29 17:10:31 2003:

Comments in public theaters just annoy me.  Commenting on a movie in my
living room while watching it with a friend can be fun, though, if it's
with someone with a sharp sense of humor.


#202 of 269 by gregb on Thu May 29 17:38:57 2003:

When I go to the movies, I try to get a seat with no one in front or 
behind me.  Fairly easy to do during matinaes, impossible in prime-time.


#203 of 269 by krj on Thu May 29 20:16:36 2003:

Try catching the movies late in their run.  


#204 of 269 by slynne on Thu May 29 20:57:09 2003:

Yes. I often like to do that. The disadvantage of doing that with a 
popular movie though is that people will talk about it and will give 
away the surprise endings!


#205 of 269 by jaklumen on Thu May 29 23:11:29 2003:

resp:197  I'm sorry.  The last time, it wasn't so much the noise, it 
was that she wanted to crawl all over the theater.  I genuinely hope 
we didn't ruin it for anyone; we really didn't have a baby sitter.  
The theater was fairly empty, thankfully, and the people she decided 
to greet in the top row did smile.


#206 of 269 by pvn on Fri May 30 08:15:24 2003:

You all are so anti-social.  One of the fun things about attending
movies in the south side of chicago is the screeners - those who talk to
the movie.  If you don't like it, buy the damn DVD and watch it at home
by yourself.


#207 of 269 by remmers on Fri May 30 11:43:05 2003:

Yuck.


#208 of 269 by gregb on Fri May 30 12:56:17 2003:

#203:  That's my std. MO.  I'll catch most movies when they hit the 
dollar theater, but that's just to save seven bucks.  I still have to 
work my seating strategy.  Apparently, there's a lot of folks who don't 
care to spend big bucks to see a flick--not to mention the cost of 
snacks and such.

#206:  The South Side, eh?  Well, that explains a lot. B-)


#209 of 269 by slynne on Fri May 30 13:10:39 2003:

Talking *TO* the movie is different from talking to the person sitting 
next to you. There are some movies that are improved by audience 
participation but most are not. Luckily for me, the group norm in the 
community where I live suits me. I hardly ever see anyone bring their 
kids to the theater, no one kicks my seat, usually there isnt a lot of 
talking, etc.


#210 of 269 by edina on Fri May 30 14:27:21 2003:

Re 206  Number one, I'm not anti-social.  Number two, I don't live on the
Sough Side of Chicago - nor do I want to - but thanks for asking.  Number 3
- please excuse me if the $8-10 I'm shelling out just to see the movie makes
me want to actually watch it.


#211 of 269 by jazz on Fri May 30 14:40:18 2003:

        Beady has this thing where everything relates back to the south side
and whatshername.  Somehow.  Even if it's taking place in Kuala Lumpur with
a guy named "Chuck".


#212 of 269 by janc on Fri May 30 14:41:19 2003:

A certain amount of audience noise is fine with me.  I remember seeing
"Beverly Hills Cop" while sitting next to a black women who kept repeating
"he gonna *fuck* him up!" at appropriate points through the whole movie.
I didn't know her, but she was obviously loving the movie, and I thought
that it actually added substantially to my appreciation of the movie.  I
actually like getting some sense of how other people are responding to the
film.  Whoops, and screams and applause and non-cynical commentary (not
so much the "I'm going to prove how much smarter than the film makers I am"
kind) are all fine with me.


#213 of 269 by jazz on Fri May 30 14:44:14 2003:

        During the screening I saw of Resident Evil, we were treated to a
series of cynical comments from a thirtysomething man two rows up.  At first
I was annoyed, but I couldn't help laughing at his timing with "Dumb white
bitch gonna get her ass KILT!".  I think everyone else was in the same boat,
or, if they weren't, nobody spoke up.  


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#215 of 269 by jaklumen on Fri May 30 23:06:18 2003:

resp:208 oddly enough, we don't have a dollar/$2 dollar theater here 
anymore.


#216 of 269 by gregb on Sat May 31 05:10:24 2003:

Well, a friend and I finally saw Reloaded tonight.  I'd like to think 
my analysis hasn't been tainted by the msgs. here, but I'd have to 
agree with those that said the pacing was off.  The fight scenes were 
too long and in most cases, meaningless, except to show off martial 
arts moves and special effects.  I also agree with the comment that the 
dialog spent too much time in philisophical riddles.  In hindsight, I 
don't think it's worth the $8.50 ticket.  However, I do plan on adding 
it to my DVD collection when it comes out.

What I did like was seeing Zion and how it works.  And I thought the 
freeway scene was the best of the flashy stuff.  I actually jumped when 
that semi rushed into the screen.  When the movie was over, most of the 
audiance left;  I guess they didn't know about the trailer for 
Revolutions.  From what I saw, It looks to be more of the same.  If my 
friends go, I'll pay full price, otherwise, I'll wait for the DVD.

Summary:  Lots of flash, bu not much plot.


#217 of 269 by pvn on Sat May 31 07:22:04 2003:

re#214: same social dynamic I expect.  Is the same for church and
sporting events.  I personally enjoy the experience of others enjoying
the experience with me.  However, you won't see "screeners" at _Gosford
Park_ for example.


#218 of 269 by rcurl on Sat May 31 17:37:02 2003:

Watched Adaptations last night on VHS. How did they double Cage in the
scenes he was talking with "himself"? 


#219 of 269 by gregb on Sun Jun 1 17:01:49 2003:

Watchded Lilo and Stitch this morning.  Loved it.  What can I say, I'm 
a sucker for the "Ugly duckling" type animations.  The music--both the 
instrumental and the Elvis adaptations were quite good.


#220 of 269 by jazz on Sun Jun 1 17:40:28 2003:

        Maybe it's just me, but I don't understand the critical accolade for
either "Being John Malkovitch" or "Adaptions".  They're both billed as
hillarious, but I've yet to see anyone get more than a dry chuckle or two out
of either, and both seem to excel in revelling in ugliness and workmanlike
cinematography.  Both also attempt to tackle reasonably novel or deep ideas,
but fail to really follow up on any of the consequences or implications of
those ideas.


#221 of 269 by rcurl on Sun Jun 1 18:16:09 2003:

I largely agree with you, about Adaptations. I haven't seen "Being...".
Adaptations might (?) be a screenplay about itself, so  the deeper
ideas get lost in the conceit. 


#222 of 269 by slynne on Sun Jun 1 18:27:14 2003:

I loved both of them. There were parts in both where I laughed so hard 
tears were coming from my eyes...usually during the more absurd parts. 
But I think what really did it for the critics was that they were so 
original and different from other films. I think if one is a critic and 
sees thousands of films, it is more meaningful that the film is 
different. I think this is one reason why Memento got such critical 
acclaim and also why David Lynch movies are so popular with critics. 
And while different does not necessarily mean good (e.g. moulon rouge), 
it certainly counts for something.



#223 of 269 by rcurl on Sun Jun 1 18:34:39 2003:

Adaptations did lead to lots of discussion afterward - what it meant,
the actors, the tricks, what it meant....etc. I  like movies like
that. For example, I was pleased to figure out how the pieces fitted
together, like assembling a mental jigsaw. I would have liked to have
unwittingly learned more about orchids, though, not that her book was
strictly *about* orchids.


#224 of 269 by jep on Mon Jun 2 02:58:31 2003:

My son and I, my parents, and my nieces saw "Finding Nemo" last 
night.  It was glitzy, colorful, and funny in many places; repetitious 
and slow in others.

There were no great songs; in fact there were no feature-type songs at 
all.  I was disappointed about that.

My favorite Disney movies, in order, are probably The Aristocats, The 
Lion King, Toy Story, The Little Mermaid, and Monsters, Inc.  I've 
liked all of the Disney/Pixar movies and have been looking forward to 
this one for months.  They've concentrated on excellent stories up 
until now.  I thought they put more effort into glitz and less into 
keeping the story interesting this time.  Maybe I'll like it better 
the next time I see it.


#225 of 269 by pvn on Mon Jun 2 05:29:45 2003:

Watched _Dinner Rush_ on DVD tonight.  Just about the entire movie takes
place in a tony italian restaurant.  Sort of an Altman style thingy.
It is hard to mention any detail without spoilers so I'll just recommend
it highly.


#226 of 269 by gull on Mon Jun 2 13:10:36 2003:

I saw _Finding Nemo_ on Friday and I disagree with jep.  I thought it
was hilarious, and really enjoyed it.  The glitz didn't have any real
effect on me, because it wasn't very far in that I stopped thinking
about the fact that it was computer animated.  (They're getting pretty
good at this.  Every movie they've made has had successively fewer
distracting "that looked really fake" moments.)  Pixar hasn't made a
film so far that I haven't liked.

Of course, I've always disliked long musical numbers in movies, so
that's probably part of where we disagree.  Most of my favorite Disney
films are short on songs.  In fact, of the movies jep listed as
favorites, the only ones I've felt the urge to see again recently are
_Toy Story_ and _Monsters, Inc._.  _The Lion King_ just seems so
overblown and full of itself to me, now.


#227 of 269 by other on Mon Jun 2 14:16:25 2003:

Saw Adaptation (well, most of it) and Y Tu Mama Tambien last night.  I do not
get what all the fuss about Adaptation was for, and I was annoyed because I
think the video store censored their copy of Y Tu Mama Tambien.  They
definitiely bowdlerized the subtitles a bit, and probably cut a bunch of the
juicier footage.


#228 of 269 by oval on Mon Jun 2 14:35:21 2003:

...and there's some juicy ones.



#229 of 269 by jep on Mon Jun 2 20:06:16 2003:

I didn't dislike "Finding Nemo", but I didn't fall in love with it, 
either.


#230 of 269 by janc on Fri Jun 6 13:01:39 2003:

Valerie has been talking about taking the kids to see "Finding Nemo".  They've
never been to a real live movie theater before.  Most disney type movies are
a bit too scary for them, and the Pixar ones to date have been no exception
(eg, the scaring kids scenes in Monsters Inc, the neighbor kid's mangled toys
in Toy Story, etc).  I was wondering who Nemo rated on that scale.


#231 of 269 by gull on Fri Jun 6 13:47:16 2003:

There are a few scenes involving things with large teeth that might
frighten very young children, or give them nightmares.  There aren't
long periods of scary suspense, as I recall, though.


#232 of 269 by jep on Fri Jun 6 15:00:34 2003:

The sharks in "Finding Nemo" are members of a vegetarian support 
group.  "Fish are friends, not food".  They're mildly scary; there's 
also a scene about jellyfish which is mildly scary.  It's not as scary 
as "Monsters, Inc."  The scene to which you referred in "Toy Story" 
would probably not be scary at all to Arlo, and couldn't possibly be to 
Kendra, could it?  "Finding Nemo" is no more scary than "Toy Story".

Didn't you take them to "The Piglet Movie"?  That was as non-
threatening as any movie could be, I'd think.  


#233 of 269 by gull on Fri Jun 6 15:34:14 2003:

I'm thinking of the scene with the black dragon fish as the main scary
one, pesonally.


#234 of 269 by flem on Fri Jun 6 19:24:56 2003:

Vegetarian sharks?  hahahahaha.  I really hope that the irony was intentional.


#235 of 269 by krj on Fri Jun 6 21:29:07 2003:

Saturday is this year's silent movie with live orchestra accompaniment 
at the Michigan Theater in Ann Arbor.  The movie is "Pandora's Box,"
1929.  Louise Brooks is a German flapper whose sexuality destroys
all the men who fall for her: and then she meets Jack the Ripper.
(Don't know if we'll get to go, our schedule is kind of crowded...)


#236 of 269 by albaugh on Sat Jun 7 01:22:59 2003:

The main comment I have about Finding Nemo is that I'm totally amazed at the
computer graphics.  Constantly moving underwater ocean currents...  Etc.
See it just for that, even if you're a gr'up.  :-)


#237 of 269 by jaklumen on Sat Jun 7 05:15:25 2003:

Interestingly enough, "Finding Nemo" was compared to "Spirited Away" 
in some critique somewhere (MSNBC, perhaps).  Unfair and unflattering, 
but I mentioned it so I could reference this particular film.  I 
saw "Spirited Away" at a gaming convention-- most of it, anyway, and I 
thought it was one of the most fabulous animes I have seen.  It's 
subtitled, and not dubbed, which I think is a good thing.


#238 of 269 by gelinas on Sun Jun 8 03:52:58 2003:

The version of "Spirited Away" that I just watched was dubbed.  The dubbing
worked, as near as I could tell.  Good movie.


#239 of 269 by mynxcat on Tue Jun 10 00:45:01 2003:

Watched Vanilla Sky. What I want to know is why did he splice his life from
that particular point, why not from earlier when he met Sophia, and everything
was great and he hadn't had his accident yet


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#241 of 269 by jazz on Tue Jun 10 12:53:34 2003:

        He was just LION to himself.

        Remember, the sweet isn't as sweet without the sweet and sour sauce?


#242 of 269 by gregb on Tue Jun 10 17:21:36 2003:

Hey, Tim!  Puns!  Come and get'em!  B-)

Caught The Core at the dolar theater Saturday.  Kind of a cross 'tween 
Armagedden<sp> and Journey to the Center of the Earth.  Basically, 
another doomed Earth movie.  The Earth's core has stopped spinning and 
a group is sent waaaaaaaay down under to "jump-start" it.  Those into 
Earth science will have a field day ripping this one apart.

Nothong outstanding about this file, IMO.  Didn't recognize any of the 
actors, effects, while good, were std. for today's films, characters 
were two-dimensional...All-in-all, a pretty predictable flick.  
Certainly not worth $8.50, but good for a buck.


#243 of 269 by lynne on Tue Jun 10 21:53:00 2003:

re 242:  Those with a brain will have a field day ripping it apart, I should
think.


#244 of 269 by aruba on Wed Jun 11 01:18:40 2003:

It was fun though.  (But the very first thing the hero says in the movie is
wrong.)


#245 of 269 by scott on Sun Jun 15 13:32:04 2003:

Saw "The Matrix: Reloaded" yesterday.

Great visuals, but the rest was pretty weak.  Everything, every element, could
have been cut about 50% and it would have tightened things up a lot.  

Well, except for Agent Smith.  What a cool character...


#246 of 269 by aruba on Sun Jun 15 19:12:04 2003:

Saw Finding Nemo the other night.  It rocked.


#247 of 269 by senna on Mon Jun 16 03:01:22 2003:

Smith is quickly becoming one of my favorite villains.  It's only a slight
pity that Hugo Weaving's complete submersion in the character will result in
every viewing I have of any LOTR movie to echo of "You are a disease" quotes.


#248 of 269 by jaklumen on Mon Jun 16 08:02:55 2003:

resp:245  I saw it last Friday and I completely disagree with just 
about everything negatory anyone else has said, but then I'm a epic 
sci-fi/fantasy nut and I therefore don't put the expectations on it 
that others might.  Tighter editing?  Nope, sorry, I don't see it.  
Call me intensely visual; I was soaking up every minute of it?  It was 
just eye candy?  Hmmm, yes, I enjoy philosophical debate, but I see 
the Matrix as an epic work and so I expect a typical formula.  Of 
course I was ready for some more butt-kicking.  And actually, the 
discussion seemed deep enough to me-- it's all in how you look at it.  
It just reminds me of I time I watched "Farewell My Concubine" with a 
philosophy major and she said she didn't get it when it was over.  It 
made perfect sense to me.


#249 of 269 by oval on Mon Jun 16 11:30:17 2003:

i thought the last 20 minutes of the film could've sucked a little less.



#250 of 269 by jazz on Mon Jun 16 13:08:33 2003:

        The Matrix's formula for pseudo-deep conversations.

        Introduce a topic.
        Have some character bring the topic up to Neo.
        Neo looks confused (he does this well).
        Neo asks a question about what he's going to do, or should do.
        Character invalidates Neo's question, by saying he's already done it
or should have figured it out before all this.

        Rinse.  Lather.  Repeat.


#251 of 269 by oval on Mon Jun 16 13:31:38 2003:

play air guitar and exclame "EXCELLENT!"



#252 of 269 by jazz on Mon Jun 16 14:02:56 2003:

        Bogus!


#253 of 269 by edina on Mon Jun 16 14:18:30 2003:

Sometimes, I just think that Sean Penn should have trademarked, "Dude."


#254 of 269 by gull on Mon Jun 16 16:04:08 2003:

Looking confused is pretty much Keanu Reeves's only talent as an actor.


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#256 of 269 by edina on Mon Jun 16 17:38:37 2003:

I have a good idea he's smarter than people think.  And lord knows, he's a
fine looking man.  I wouldn't kick him out of bed for eating crackers.  Heck,
I'd feed him crackers.


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#258 of 269 by rcurl on Mon Jun 16 18:02:26 2003:

Rented "Something about Schmidt". We thought it was a unique Nicholson
performance that could have been comedy but fortunately was not. I also
think a lot of viewers will fail to see themselves in some satire. Of
coure, being "retired", I found it raised some questions I have
confronted, since the "retired" to become partly invisible for some parts
of our culture, especially in business. 




#259 of 269 by jaklumen on Mon Jun 16 20:40:46 2003:

resp:250 true, just ignored it.  It's been done twice-- if they go for 
a hat trick, then I'll proclaim it a formula.


#260 of 269 by mary on Mon Jun 16 21:33:13 2003:

Re: ...about Schmidt  I thought the scene where he sees his
files, in the alley, in the rain, was nicely done.  


#261 of 269 by dcat on Tue Jun 17 00:45:05 2003:

saw 'nemo' w/ eskarina sunday.  movie's good, but i don't think it's something
i'd show to a small child.  there are a good number of fish-in-peril scenes
that were noticeably disturbing to the 5- or 6-year-old sitting behind us.

on the other hand, there were some great moments --- the surfer-dude turtles
were great, and the 'Psycho' violins at the dentist's niece's entrance were
hilarious.


#262 of 269 by gregb on Wed Jun 18 21:40:30 2003:

Saw "Agent: Cody Banks" at the dollar show last weekend.  While I 
wouldn't add it to my collection, it was alright.  Think of it as Kim 
Possible, only with a guy and live action.  I see Hilery Duff's keeping 
busy, what with her Lizzy movie and all.


#263 of 269 by jep on Sat Jun 21 21:47:36 2003:

I saw "Finding Nemo" again last night, with my 7 year old, at the 
cheap movie theater in Clinton.  ($2.50.)  Many times, if I see a 
movie or read a book a 2nd time, I'll have a much different impression 
of it, but I had the same impression of "Finding Nemo".  I'm a lot 
less impressed by it than others here.  It's pretty, it's nice, but 
it's not special.

Around here, we watch Disney movies occasionally, and had just 
watched "Toy Story 2" the night before.  I have Dory's memory, and so 
can't remember who it was, but *one* of the fish has the same eyes as 
Buzz Lightyear.

Also, I said earlier it's not scary.  It's scary at the beginning; 
there are several scenes that a young kid could find frightening.  
Sorry!


#264 of 269 by tod on Sat Jun 21 21:58:29 2003:

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#265 of 269 by jor on Sat Jun 21 22:21:43 2003:

        do go on


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#267 of 269 by bru on Sun Jun 22 14:52:52 2003:

watch the anime 

READ OR DIE

About a woman who loves books and works for a secret organization within the
library community that retrieves lost books, among other things.

Very interesting super power she has...She manipulates paper, making it into
whatever she needs from planes to swords.


#268 of 269 by gregb on Sun Jun 22 16:35:40 2003:

Saw Phone Booth at the Allen Pk. Theater.  At first, when I saw the 
trailer, I was skeptical.  After all, how much can you make of a movie 
that, for the most part, takes place at one location?  But then again, 
12 Angry Men took place in a single room, and it's become a classic.  
Also, it was only a buck so what the hey.

Anyway, I liked it.  It's all about this guy named Stuart (Colin 
Farrell) who uses the same phone booth everyday, but this time, someone 
calls him.  The caller seems to know everything about him;  Where he 
goes, who he sees, what he does...and he doesn't like his 
observations.  Stuart's been a bad boy and the caller (Keefer 
Sutherland) wants Stu to confess his sins...or else!  That worst part 
is that he can't tell anyone, else he or someone else, will be killed.

It's that "else" that makes the film interesting.  You never know what 
the caller's going to do.  One thing's for sure, he's not all talk.  
This is a short form for it's kind; only 81 minutes.  But since the 
plot's tightly focused on one thing, I guess you can't draw it out too 
much.


#269 of 269 by niceone on Mon Jun 23 15:03:24 2003:

hi
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