Grex Cinema Conference

Item 36: GREX GOES TO THE MOVIES!!!

Entered by richard on Wed Dec 22 15:41:09 1999:

225 new of 229 responses total.


#5 of 229 by omni on Thu Dec 23 18:55:28 1999:

  At least the book was good. I'll still not forgive him for stretching out
over 6 months. That was wrong.


#6 of 229 by senna on Thu Dec 23 19:56:45 1999:

Give me a break, I was supposed to be on sabbatical at the time :)  


#7 of 229 by goroke on Thu Dec 23 23:50:21 1999:

Actually, I found the experience of having to wait for the next chapter to
have been wonderful.  A throwback to slower times in this age of instant
gratification.  I'd like to see more of that sort of enforced "can't turn to
the last page early" mode of publication.  Some things are worth waiting for.


#8 of 229 by mary on Fri Dec 24 00:58:06 1999:

I too thought the serial release was a fun touch.


#9 of 229 by omni on Fri Dec 24 09:09:09 1999:

  None of you people were doing chemo, either.


#10 of 229 by giry on Fri Dec 24 14:48:40 1999:

agora 20 <-> cinema 36


#11 of 229 by richard on Fri Dec 24 20:45:04 1999:

Tonight I will continue a yearly christmas eve tradition and watch "IT'S A
WONDERFUL LIFE" on tv-- This movie is a celebration of the average,
normal, work-a-day life.  Its actually a fairly dark story of a man whose
dreams are crushehd, feels worthless, and is contemplating suicide.  And
who of course is rredeemed by the love of those around him, and the angel
who teaches him that one is never a failure so long as one has friends.

Ive seen this movie so many times the characters are like old friends--
Mr. Gower the druggist, Mr. Martini  the saloonkeeper, Bert the Cop, Ernie
the Cab driver, Nick the Bartender, the evil Mr. Potter, Uncle Charlie, Ma
Bailey, Mary Bailey, the Bailey kids including little Suzoo and her rose
petals, and of course George Bailey (ourhero) and Clarence the angel (who
always has his copy of Tom Sawyer handy)

Will Clarence get his wings? Will Harry Bailey make it through the
snowstorm to be with his brother?  Will George save Mr. Gower from kiling
himself?  Will George see what life would have been like if he'd never
been born and want to live again?

I get teary eyed every time at the end of it.  It's one of my alltime
favorite movies-- because it IS realy a wonderful life when ya think about
it!!  Merry christmas!


#12 of 229 by jep on Sun Dec 26 03:38:30 1999:

I took the kids to see Toy Story 2.  It was, like Toy Story, a kind of 
nice movie.  The kids liked it a lot, and I really did, too.

It has impressive graphics, but that doesn't have anything to do with 
why I liked it.  If you're marveling at the graphics, you aren't paying 
attention to the story, and if the story doesn't hold your attention, 
the movie is not going to be good.  I enjoyed the story.


#13 of 229 by gregb on Sun Dec 26 06:25:34 1999:

Re. 12: Ya gotta be a 'puter geek to do both. 8-)


#14 of 229 by hhsrat on Sun Dec 26 17:49:17 1999:

saw Any Given Sunday last night.

Overall, a decent movie.  Pretty good plot, although it took too long 
to develop. Decent acting.  I'm not sure if it needed to fill 3 hours, 
there were some parts that could have been cut out without hurting the 
story.  The camera work was, by far, the worst part of this movie.  The 
camera was never still for very long, usually pretty shaky. Maybe this 
was intended to make it feel more like the camera was right there in the 
game, but it didn't do much for me.  A lot of too-fast cuts along with 
the shaky camera made me think I was watching "Blair Witch Project

Overall: B-


#15 of 229 by senna on Mon Dec 27 06:37:10 1999:

The add showed a front flip, presumably by an athletic quarterback into 
the endzone.  This strikes me as a fairly unoriginal piece of 
choreography, since that action has occurred twice in college football 
in the past two years, most excitingly when Arizona's Ortege Jenkins 
somersaulted over two Washington defenders to win the game on the last 
play last year.  

All I can say is that Stone could have hired me to do art direction 
better than that out of the box.


#16 of 229 by md on Mon Dec 27 13:22:19 1999:

GALAXY QUEST (B+) -- A surprisingly gentle look at
a much-parodied corner of fandom, with a massive
surprise reward for some of the geekiest fans at 
the conclusion.  Alan Rickman is almost *too*
convincing as the frustrated Shakespearean, Tim
Allen is excellent, Sigourney Weaver plays a kind
of anti-Ripley.  Silly fun.


#17 of 229 by maeve on Mon Dec 27 15:53:34 1999:

Mansfield Park:
A terribly lovely film. Apparently it was tweaked from the original, but I
don't remember the book enough to tell you if it was good or bad changes. Some
cute modern-y bits, only one character in strange costume, and the knowledge
that since it's Jane Austen, everyone will marry precisely who they should.


#18 of 229 by richard on Mon Dec 27 16:02:50 1999:

THE IRON GIANT--  Watched this christmas day with my nephew (he got it
from somebody for as a present)  This is a wonderful animated movie about
a boy who befriends a giant iron robot.   The robot is built to be a 
weapon, but learns from the boy that he can be who he wants to be, not
who others tell him he should be.  The movie also has a strong anti-
nuclear, anti-weapons message.  The animation is wonderful, and the
story is really moving.  This movie is on a lot of year-end ten best
films of the year lists.  

THE IRION GIANT (**** FOUR STARS)


#19 of 229 by other on Mon Dec 27 16:54:42 1999:

i enjoyed iron giant, and as soon as it was over, i realized that IRON GIANT
is ET in different clothes.


#20 of 229 by mcnally on Mon Dec 27 17:47:43 1999:

  The Talented Mr. Ripley -- C+

  About an hour too long.  Not particularly faithful to the book. 
  Not mysterious enough to be a mystery.  Not suspenseful enough to
  be a thriller.  Too shallow to be a psychological drama.  About the
  only thing really worth watching here is the scenery of Italy..


#21 of 229 by omni on Mon Dec 27 20:41:37 1999:

  Lady and the Tramp-
    I know it's a little old, but no one should miss seeing it. Disney showed
the letterbox edition last night and it was superb. 4 stars.


#22 of 229 by drewmike on Mon Dec 27 22:09:09 1999:

One of the guiding principles of American economics is that better 
things cost more. 

The DVD of "South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut" retails for $30, while 
the VHS version of the same title is over $100.


#23 of 229 by mcnally on Mon Dec 27 22:19:42 1999:

  VHS tapes often cost that much when they're priced for sale to video
  stores and not ordinary consumers..  Probably there'll be a consumer-
  price (~$20) VHS release soon..


#24 of 229 by janc on Tue Dec 28 06:41:07 1999:

I accidentally acquired a video I'd never heard of called "The Zero
Effect" - the directorial debut of the 22-year-old son of Lawrence
Kasdan. It looked like yet another action flick, but I watched it. 
Possibly partly because I came to it with no expectations, I liked it a
lot.  You keep thinking it is about to turn into an action flick,
breaking out in gun fights and car chases, but it never does.  Instead
it's a mystery in the tradition of Sherlock Holmes (in fact, it is a
remake of Sherlock Holmes), never quite taking itself seriously, never
quite going over the edge into utter silliness.


#25 of 229 by mcnally on Tue Dec 28 07:43:11 1999:

  Despite the fact that Bill Pullman always annoys me, I enjoyed "Zero
  Effect" (perhaps because this time for a chance he's actually *supposed*
  to be annoying.)

  Ben Stiller's role, playing the much harried sidekick/assistant/foil to
  private investigator Darryl Zero (Pullman's character) must've been
  reasonably fun..



#26 of 229 by remmers on Tue Dec 28 14:03:04 1999:

Another thumbs up for "The Zero Effect" from me.

It's been said that Pullman's and Stiller's roles should have been
switched, but I disagree.  Casting against type can work surprisingly
well.


#27 of 229 by remmers on Tue Dec 28 14:53:56 1999:

Speaking of movies with "zero" in the title:  Check out "Apartment
Zero" sometime...


#28 of 229 by richard on Tue Dec 28 16:13:05 1999:

movies with "zero" in the title..."Less than Zero", pretty good 
movie version of Brett Easton Ellis novel about baby boomer angst--
Robert Downey Jr. plays a cocaine addict who dies in the movie
when he cant shake his addictions.  Downey apparently *really*
became addicted to coke on the set and has had serious drug problems
ever since and is currently in jail.


#29 of 229 by jazz on Tue Dec 28 16:18:07 1999:

        "Ground Zero", a decent docudrama-style movie about the British tests
on Arboriginal land in the 1960s, and the fallout (literally) from them.


#30 of 229 by remmers on Wed Dec 29 20:43:05 1999:

"Zero for Conduct", a classic 1930's French film about a rebellion
in a school for boys.


#31 of 229 by happyboy on Wed Dec 29 21:29:00 1999:

is it about spankings and stuff?


#32 of 229 by iggy on Wed Dec 29 22:21:21 1999:

saw 'run lola run'
thought it was pretty good. had a bit of 'groundhog day' feel to it.


#33 of 229 by fitz on Sat Jan 1 17:02:48 2000:

ON ANY GIVEN SUNDAY (D)  This movie was already described in #14, but
I take a far less charitable stand on the presumption of a plot and the
invention of the shakey-cam, the cliche for football mayhem on film.

I lpaid matinee prices and did not get my money's worth--even though I sat
for three hours.  I doubt that even the price of a rental would be a bargain.
I suggest waiting for a *broadcast* network to play it so that any dope with
some scissors can improve it by making random cuts for commercial space.

One good thing to say about the film:  The sound of turf being torn from the
ground in the hands of the first-string quarterback after his injury.  That
was great, but it certainly didn't make a three-hour movie any good.


#34 of 229 by krj on Sun Jan 2 06:31:41 2000:

resp:24, resp:25 ::  We haven't gotten to ZERO EFFECT yet, but from the
 reviews I was led to understand that it was a reworking of Nero Wolfe,  not
Sherlock Holmes.   Nero Wolfe is the genius who stays home and thinks,  and
Archie is the assistant who gathers the evidence and tells the story.

GALAXY QUEST gets two thumbs up from this household, though perhaps you 
have to be a SF fan or a Trekkie to really enjoy it.  Tim Allen does 
a wonderful job playing a William Shatner-like character.


#35 of 229 by janc on Sun Jan 2 17:18:28 2000:

No, it's a reworking of Sherlock Holmes.  No question about it.  It's
even a specific Sherlock Holmes story.


#36 of 229 by remmers on Sun Jan 2 19:17:19 2000:

Which story? (I haven't read Holmes lately...)

The plot may be Holmesian, but I agree with Ken that the two
main characters seem to be based on Nero Wolfe and Archie Goodwin.


#37 of 229 by md on Sun Jan 2 23:04:33 2000:

Roger Ebert says:

"Midway through the movie, I was being nudged by echoes of 
another story, and I realized that Zero Effect was probably 
inspired by the relationship between Sherlock Holmes and the 
faithful Watson -- Holmes, who could sit in his study and 
use pure deduction to solve a crime. When Zero described his 
methods, he sounds Holmesian: 'Objectivity ... and observation. 
The two ob's.'  If Zero is like Holmes, Gloria is certainly 
like Irene Adler, from 'A Scandal in Bohemia.' She was the one 
woman for Holmes, the one who got under his skin and into his 
mind."


#38 of 229 by richard on Tue Jan 4 15:30:46 2000:

New DVD recommendation-- THE LAST PICTURE SHOW- this is director Peter
Bogdonavich's wonderful version of Larry McMurtry's book of the same name
about a year in the life of a small, dying, Texas town.  Stars a number of
young actors in their first acting jobs (Cybill Sheppard, Jeff Bridges,
Randy Quaid, Timothy Bottoms).  "LAST PICTURE SHOW" is an american classic
about the death of small town america.  Bogdanovich filmed this in
beautiful black and white at the recommendation of Orson Welles.  The DVD
also includes a terrific "making-of" documentary and other features.  This
is one of the great films and well worth having on DVD.

LAST PICTURE SOHW (***** FIVE STARS)


#39 of 229 by janc on Wed Jan 5 04:53:46 2000:

As Delizia/Ebert say, "A Scandal in Bohemia".  Some points of similarity
(mild spoilers):

  - "He was, I take it, the most perfect reasoning and observing machine
    that the world has seen, but as a lover he would have placed himself
    in a false position."  Much is made in the first paragraph of Holmes'
    objectivity, and of the impression his nemisis in this story made on
    him.  "And yet, there was but one woman to him, and that woman was the
    late Irene Adler".

  - "I had seen little of Holmes lately.  My marriage had drifted us
    away from each other."  Like Steve Arlo, Dr Watson is being distracted
    from Holmes by love.  Holmes more or less drags him into the case.

  - Between cases, Holmes have been indulging in cocaine.  Zero drugs up.
    (Both also play string instruments (badly) though this is not mentioned
    in "A Scandal in Bohemia").

  - When Holmes sees Watson, he observes that he has taken up his practice
    again and has been recently caught in the rain.  The basis?  He smells
    of iodoform.  Zero identifies Gloria's profession based on her hair having
    been wet and her smell of iodine.

  - The King of Bohemia is being blackmailed by Irene Adler, with whom he
    had an affair.  She has a picture of them together, which she threatens
    to send to his future wife.  Obviously this had to be updated, since
    that could hardly be cause for much alarm in this day and age.  Irene
    has been split into two different women in "Zero Effect" and the
    embarrassingness of the relationship has been magnified.

  - Holmes, like Zero, uses many disguises in his work.

  - Holmes' client, like Zero's, attempts to keep secrets from the great
    detective.

  - A false fire alarm figures in both stories.

  - Holmes, like Zero, figures out the woman's secret, but fails to bring
    her to "justice", because she figures him out just as fast and flees
    the country.  She reveals that she has uncovered him by addressing him
    by name.

  - Though the lady is not captured, the blackmail threat is ended.

The "Zero Effect" plot is substanially more complex and suspenseful, but
this is a lot of similarities given that "A Scandal in Bohemia" is only about
20 pages long.  Zero's reclusiveness does seem similar to Nero Wolfe's, but
in fact Zero spends the whole movie out and about, not being reclusive.
I don't see many other Wolfe similarities, but I've only read a couple of
those books.


#40 of 229 by remmers on Thu Jan 6 15:02:10 2000:

<remmers concedes the point to janc, who is obviously the
 superior holmesian scholar>


#41 of 229 by hematite on Thu Jan 6 23:18:43 2000:

My roommate and I saw Fantasia 2000 last night on the IMAX screen here 
in Columbus. Was wonderful, albeit Disney. Some of the pieces including 
Beethovens 9th Symphony, Saint Saens 'March of the Animals' (Or 
something close, can't remember the exact name) with a flock of 
flamingos and a yo-yo; and Pomp and Circumstance with Donald Duck 
trying to herd animals onto Noah's Ark. Everybodies favourite 'The 
Sorcerers Apprentice' and Stravinsky's 'Firebird' (I think that's it 
name. Headache is blocking exact names at the moment). A few other 
songs were in the movie, of those I can't remember the names or 
composers so I won't embarass myself with my lack of knowledge on those 
songs(More than I already have).  Lots of story telling through the 
songs and less image and colours. (I think Beethovens piece may have 
been the only image piece and not a story). Typical Disney animation 
and a large contrast in the animation between the new songs and 
with 'Sorcers Apprentice'. Appeared to have more computer animation 
than the original. (For obvious reasons, but the computer animation was 
heavily used as opposed to regular animation. Did that make sense?) 
Well worth the $10 we each payed for an evening show.


#42 of 229 by gull on Fri Jan 7 22:04:31 2000:

I saw it at the Henry Ford Museum's new IMAX theater.  My favorite pieces
were 'Firebird' and 'Carnival of the Animals.'


#43 of 229 by richard on Fri Jan 7 22:36:52 2000:

I was going to see it at the IMAX theater here in NYC, but they
set up special ticket prices for that movie only-- $12.50 a ticket.
I will not pay $12.50 for a movie ticket.  Im too cheap.


#44 of 229 by drewmike on Sat Jan 8 22:59:07 2000:

Another inconsistency in "Man on the Moon":
 
* George Shapiro takes on Andy Kaufman as a client after seeing a show in
which Kaufman did an impression of "Jimmy Carter, President of the United
States". Shapiro proceeded to book Kaufman on the premiere episode of
"Saturday Night Live", which... anyone? Anyone? It happened one year, to the
month, before Carter was elected President.
 
Just saw "Magnolia" today. I'm sure I'll understand it more and pick up on
more cues if I go see it a second time, but given that, with trailers, we're
talking about 3 1/4 hours at the theater, it may be a little while before I
can devote the time. There's a "musical number" in the middle. At one point,
when all the characters are at or near their respective nadirs, an Aimee Mann
song starts playing on the soundtrack, and we are shown all the major
characters in the ensemble, each of them singing a half-verse or so of the
song. I don't know... I'm still not decided on how I feel about that.
 
On the one hand, if the film can be said to have any unifying themes, one of
them would certainly be the ways in which seemingly unrelated lives have
effects on each other, and the song does neatly encapsulate that. 
 
On the other, it's a definite break in the story-telling, and it draws
conspicuous attention to itself as a film, a fabrication. Artifice at 24
frames a second. (And I wish I had thought of that sentence for any of my film
classes.)
 
But still, I'd much rather have a director try to break conventions even if
they don't work, instead of aiming low and getting it square on.
 
I'm trying like anything to make this a non-spoiler: At several points during
the film, the number of a Bible verse is shown. If you know what that verse
said (which I didn't) you'll probably be able to predict another one of the
film's unifying moments, near the end. Without giving it away, that event is
probably the largest break the film takes from realism. It sort of seemed,
to me anyway, to have undermined the credibility of what had happened up to
that point. 


#45 of 229 by scott on Sun Jan 9 00:45:47 2000:

Tried to go see Galaxy Quest, but...

The Goodrich 16 out on Jackson is pretty nice, but they schedule the starting
times of *all* the films within the same 20 minutes.  Needless to say, a huge
line forms all the way out into the parking lot.  Idiots.


#46 of 229 by drewmike on Sun Jan 9 03:14:38 2000:

When I went there last week, I was struck by the abbreviations they had to
resort to for theaters which were showing more than one film.
 
"STUART BI MAN"


#47 of 229 by mcnally on Sun Jan 9 03:16:03 2000:

  A friend and I also went to the Goodrich 16 to see Galaxy Quest.
  When the showtime we'd originally planned on sold out we went and
  had a leisurely supper at Mancino's (a pizza and sub place a few
  blocks further down the street) and then returned for the next showing.

  I wouldn't say it was hilarious, but it was at least amusing. 
  We both enjoyed it, I'd give it a solid "B"..


#48 of 229 by mcnally on Sun Jan 9 03:17:33 2000:

  #46 slipped in..    Yeah, we noticed and commented on the "STUART  BI MAN"
  theater..  We were slightly more puzzled by "JOHN   WORLD"


#49 of 229 by orinoco on Sun Jan 9 04:02:52 2000:

It's a theme park where all the fantasy characters look remarkably similar.


#50 of 229 by gull on Sun Jan 9 04:31:17 2000:

When I came out of the IMAX theater after seeing Fantasia/2000, I noticed a
plate that said 'ANIM8R' on  T-bird.


#51 of 229 by katie on Sun Jan 9 04:56:10 2000:

I saw Galaxy Quest tonight and didn't find it funny or entertaining except
for 2 or 3 brief moments.


#52 of 229 by mdw on Sun Jan 9 06:10:44 2000:

Oddly enough I saw Galaxy Quest tonight at the Quality 16 (or is it a
quality 16?) out jackson road, and thoroughly enjoyed it.


#53 of 229 by krj on Sun Jan 9 07:15:40 2000:

I suspect that one's enjoyment of "Galaxy Quest" will depend on how much 
time one has invested in "Star Trek" over the years.


#54 of 229 by mcnally on Sun Jan 9 19:46:57 2000:

  Or, if you're not personally a Trek fan, on how much you hang out with
  people who are..


#55 of 229 by mdw on Mon Jan 10 04:00:40 2000:

I hang out with star trek snobs.  Some of them like ds9 but not voyager;
some others became b5 fanatics, and none of them engages in cast rubber
sculpture contests of any sort, at least in public (to my knowledge.)
But yes, I agree, if you've been living under a rock these past 30
years, you won't understand galaxy quest.  (Are there really people who
never head of Shatner's "get a life" line?)


#56 of 229 by orinoco on Mon Jan 10 04:18:50 2000:

<timidly raises his hand>


#57 of 229 by katie on Mon Jan 10 04:33:17 2000:

I am well aware of Star Trek. I can take it or leave it, but I've been
exposed to it extensively for decades.


#58 of 229 by katie on Mon Jan 10 04:33:33 2000:

(I still didn't like Galaxy Quest)


#59 of 229 by mdw on Mon Jan 10 05:04:36 2000:

(Well, Dan, you know what they say to young people about all people over
30?)


#60 of 229 by other on Mon Jan 10 05:35:57 2000:

actually that quote was attributed to abbie hoffman, and when *he* turned 30,
he changed "over" to "under."

i saw magnolia this weekend as well, and i think it was the most unusual
cenimatic experience i have ever had.  i agree with erik about the song bit
in the middle.  i found that portion of the film really added nothing for me,
and in fact dragged a bit unnecessarily.  the climactic moments referred to
in the biblical reference struck me as exxagerated for dramatic effect, to
the point of hilarity, but plausible as one of many exxagerations in a story
which i referred to as "an anthology of everyday pain and suffering."

i thoroughly enjoyed the film, even though i would have enjoyed it more if
about 20 selected minutes were cut from it.


#61 of 229 by other on Mon Jan 10 05:39:49 2000:

oh, and rented "the thirteenth floor."  i liked the basic concept, and some
portions of the execution, however most of the dialogue and attempted
development of any romance storylines were completely unoriginal, uninspired
and unconvincing.  it bore obvious similarities to the much better production
"the matrix" but also had some unique story elements.  i'd like to have seen
this story concept developed by someone who can write.


#62 of 229 by drewmike on Mon Jan 10 07:35:27 2000:

In nearly every review I've seen of "Magnolia", Tom Cruise's character is
referred to as "the Tony Robbins of the male sleazeball set", or something
to that effect. But he's hardly a Tony Robbins character. In fact, if I were
to compare him to a real-life person, it would be Ross "Speed Seduction"
Jeffries. With better fashion sense. I'd be surprised if Jeffries doesn't try
to grab some of the spotlight by threatening legalisms towards P. T. Anderson,
because Mackey has some lines that closely paraphrase Jeffries.


#63 of 229 by jazz on Mon Jan 10 12:24:58 2000:

        Tom Cruise uses Eriksonian hypnosis to get the honeys?  Damn.


#64 of 229 by remmers on Mon Jan 10 21:06:14 2000:

Last I heard, it's legally okay satirize public figures.  In any
case, I predict that Cruise will get an Academy Award nomination
for "Magnolia".

Regarding the singing bit -- the director, Paul Thomas Anderson,
also makes music videos. I must say that the film felt like a
music video in many ways. That's not intended as a negative 
comment. I liked the movie quite a bit, as I did Anderson's
other two films, "Hard Eight" and "Boogie Nights". (For someone
who was born in 1970, he gets remarkably good 70's period feel
in "Boogie Nights".)

I found a fan site for Anderson on the web:

        http://www.ptanderson.com



#65 of 229 by drewmike on Tue Jan 11 00:47:31 2000:

Yes, it's okay to satirize public figures, but that seemed a little extreme.
Not that I'm a Jeffries apologist, mind you.


#66 of 229 by other on Tue Jan 11 14:04:59 2000:

i probably will have to see it again to develop a fuller appreciation of the
value of the singing bit, but at 3 hour and 8 or so minutes running time, it
might have to wait a while.


#67 of 229 by remmers on Tue Jan 11 14:56:40 2000:

The current running time of "Magnolia" is actually shorter than 
Anderson's first cut by 20 minutes or so.


#68 of 229 by krj on Sat Jan 15 05:48:41 2000:

          
           ***  Great Works of the 20th Century Alert ***
 
The new issue of Jean Renoir's film GRAND ILLUSION *finally* appears 
at the Michigan Theatre on Sunday and Monday.  Renoir, the son of 
the impressionist painter, is one of the greatest film directors,
and this 1930's drama about World War I POWs is one of his two 
best known works.  It stars French film idol Jean Gabin, France's answer 
to Clark Gable.  I haven't seen it in a decade, so I'm looking forward
to this.


#69 of 229 by mcnally on Sat Jan 15 06:10:45 2000:

  Somehow I knew that it would happen while I was out of town..


#70 of 229 by bdh3 on Sat Jan 15 09:15:10 2000:

I am about half way through viewing _The Matrix_ on VHS.  A good flik.
Whats-her-name just back from a week 'on the job' in California did
comment "Wouldn't this be better if we were doing drugs?" - no
I don't think she's even 'done drugs' (I have, and yes).  But anyway,
its an excellent derivitive work of Kronenberg's _Videodrome_ sure to
have any psychotherapist dealing with a 'borderline schitzo' or worse
client muttering "OH SHIT" under their breath.  We passed on it in the
cinema format but look forward to the next two sequels.


#71 of 229 by jazz on Sat Jan 15 12:12:28 2000:

        Kronenberg re-wrote _Videodeome_ with a more modern set and budget in
the recent _eXistenZ_.  It's not quite as compelling, but it's more
disturbing.  Well worth the video rental.


#72 of 229 by krj on Mon Jan 17 05:41:34 2000:

The International Channel is having a Samurai Movie Festival this month.
I stumbled across the first film in the LONE WOLF & CUB series last 
weekend but I didn't realize that they were showing two per weekend
from that series, so all that are left are #5 and #6 next weekend.
They'll follow up with a Toshiro Mifune film.  
http://www.i-channel.com  for the schedule information.


#73 of 229 by carson on Mon Jan 17 06:20:09 2000:

(I didn't know there WAS a Lone Wolf & Cub movie series...)


#74 of 229 by krj on Mon Jan 17 06:43:43 2000:

Apparently the International Channel samurai festival is a promotion
for video releases of all these films. 
See http://www.videoz.com for even more information.  
And I found a pretty good "Lone Wolf & Cub" movie page, too.


#75 of 229 by remmers on Mon Jan 17 14:21:12 2000:

Re #70, #71: It's "Cronenberg", with a "C".


#76 of 229 by tpryan on Mon Jan 17 17:19:46 2000:

        I finally got to see and enjoy Toy Story 2 and Galaxy Quest this
weekend.  I think I was the one in the theature laughing the most.


#77 of 229 by omni on Mon Jan 17 19:41:39 2000:

  Double feature on cable:

  I want to live!-  Story of Barbara Graham played to excellence by Susan
Hayward. Graham was a woman who was a forger, check passer, prostitute, but
what got her was a charge of murder. She was accused of killing an old lady.
but she swears she was at home with her kid. Of course, there are no witnesses
that could place her there. The criminologist that was hired for the appeal
said that her personality was not of a killer, and that the killer was right
handed, Graham was a leftie which is something the LAPD chose to ignore.
Another one of those could be innocent things. Graham died in the gas chamber
at the Q in 1960 something. Very intense ending. worth renting. 3 1/2 stars.

  Mr Blandings builds his dream house- Cary Grant, Myrna Loy and Melvyn
Douglas combine to make building a house in Conneticutt sound like the easiest
thing on earth, yet it turns into a money pit. Excellent script, acting and
photograpy by James Wong Howe. 4 stars.


#78 of 229 by mary on Mon Jan 17 21:12:27 2000:

I finally rented "Life is Beautiful".  Ack.  I'm probably one of
the few people alive who found the film tedious and way over-everything.
I wanted to smack the guy upside the head and eliminate all sugar from
his diet.

I did like "U Turn".


#79 of 229 by mcnally on Mon Jan 17 22:29:50 2000:

  Was over at some friends' house Friday and rented "Out of Sight", which I
  had initially ignored because George Clooney was featured prominently on
  all of the promotional materials I'd seen.  Despite the Clooney factor it
  was a very enjoyable film.  For those who haven't seen it, it's director
  Steven Soderbergh's shot at filming an Elmore Leonard novel.  

  Not surprisingly the movie bears a strong resemblance to "Get Shorty" and
  "Jackie Brown" (also based on Leonard's novels,) but that's not a bad thing..


#80 of 229 by remmers on Tue Jan 18 00:43:01 2000:

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#81 of 229 by remmers on Tue Jan 18 01:14:19 2000:

Yeah, "Out of Sight" is my favorite excellent-movie-that-didn't-win-
any-awards from 1998.

Caught "Grand Illusion" today at the Michigan.  I'd seen it before,
but not since the 1960's.  Great film, beautifully restored.


#82 of 229 by senna on Tue Jan 18 01:23:11 2000:

I finally saw Mystery Men.  It was wonderful.  Two instances alone make it
worth the view.


#83 of 229 by krj on Tue Jan 18 05:51:16 2000:

Leslie and I saw the last showing of "Grand Illusion" at the 
Michigan today.  The new print is beautiful.  I was glad to be able to 
introduce Leslie to one of my favorite films, now I need to rummage
around and find my Renoir videotape collection.


#84 of 229 by mcnally on Tue Jan 18 06:23:02 2000:

  re #80:  I think that of those three films ("Get Shorty", "Jackie Brown",
  and "Out of Sight") I liked "Get Shorty" best, but "Out of Sight" was 
  quite enjoyable.

  But can anyone explain to me what the title has to do with anything in
  the movie?


#85 of 229 by md on Tue Jan 18 12:33:04 2000:

I wondered about that myself.  Is it "out of sight"
as in "fantasic, wonderful, etc." or as in "out of
sight, out of mind"?  The latter doesn't fit, because
Clooney and Lopez's characters were never far from
each other's thoughts.  


#86 of 229 by remmers on Tue Jan 18 17:11:03 2000:

I assumed that the title referred to the loot they were trying to
find toward the end of the film.


#87 of 229 by remmers on Tue Jan 18 17:13:23 2000:

And re the comparison of "Out of Sight" with "Jackie Brown" (which
I liked about equally) -- there's the trivia tidbit that Michael
Keaton has an unbilled cameo in "Out of Sight" playing the same
character that he did in "Jackie Brown".


#88 of 229 by mcnally on Wed Jan 19 03:10:02 2000:

  Arrgghh!  I *knew* there was something about his character's name in
  "Out of Sight" that seemed familiar but I couldn't figure out what it
  was since I only saw "Jackie Brown" once and while my memory is good,
  it's not *that* good.  That explains the frisson of deja vu..


#89 of 229 by sno on Thu Jan 20 02:06:35 2000:

Three Kings - what a waste of film and time.

Three opportunist soldiers with time on their hands at the end of the
Kuwait liberation war (a.k.a. Desert Storm) decide to stage a raid on
Hussein's stolen Kuwaiti gold.  Of course things don't go according to
plans.  Stale war afterthought.



#90 of 229 by mcnally on Thu Jan 20 06:04:41 2000:

  An opposing viewpoint:  I thought "Three Kings" was one of the best movies
  I saw last year, and certainly one of the most thought-provoking war movies
  I've ever seen.

  My biggest problem with the film was that it builds up such emotional
  momentum during the first 2/3 that the screenwriter and director 
  essentially paint themselves into a corner, leaving themselves nowhere 
  to go to finish the film on the same high note.


#91 of 229 by jazz on Thu Jan 20 13:21:52 2000:

        Nowhere that I found believable, at least.  The ending was a bit
forced.


#92 of 229 by arabella on Fri Jan 21 08:38:30 2000:

I mostly agree with Mike.  Not a movie about opportunists
getting the goods at all.  Very thought provoking.  Visually
exciting.  Amazing that it is the director/writer's first
film.



#93 of 229 by senna on Mon Jan 24 01:16:55 2000:

Wow.  I finally saw American Beauty.  It was wonderful.  Kevin Spacey never
ceases to amaze me.  So much one can take from it, too.


#94 of 229 by remmers on Tue Jan 25 11:53:44 2000:

Re resp:92 - Hm. According to my research, "Three Kings" is director
David O. Russell's third film, not his first.  The previous two were
"Spanking the Monkey" and "Flirting with Disaster".


#95 of 229 by mcnally on Tue Jan 25 19:14:41 2000:

  Perhaps Leslie is thinking of Spike Jonze, who has a major role in
  "Three Kings".  He directed his first major picture this past year
  after years of shooting music videos.  The result was the very
  unusual (and quite funny) "Being John Malkovich".


#96 of 229 by arabella on Wed Jan 26 21:52:35 2000:

Hmmm, I got my info from Ken about the director of Three Kings...
Dunno where he got the idea.  Maybe it was the Spike Jonze 
connection.



#97 of 229 by scott on Thu Jan 27 00:20:50 2000:

Interesting interview with Tim Allen available at http://www.galaxyquest.co
m.
He's either a genuine SF fan or at least found somebody to give good answers
to the interviewer.


#98 of 229 by bdh3 on Thu Jan 27 04:42:54 2000:

If you goto the http reference, you can't get back....


#99 of 229 by md on Thu Jan 27 12:48:30 2000:

??


#100 of 229 by don on Thu Jan 27 15:37:37 2000:

I'll give three:

???


#101 of 229 by janc on Fri Jan 28 04:50:15 2000:

Re #98:  Click on the link with your middle mouse button to open the
page in a new window.  If your mouse hasn't got a middle button, install
Linux.


#102 of 229 by gull on Fri Jan 28 05:16:37 2000:

Or, under IE, use shift-click.  Under Netscape, right-click on the link and
choose 'Open in New Window' from the pop-up menu.


#103 of 229 by orinoco on Fri Jan 28 05:50:11 2000:

Ort, under Netscape on a mac, command-click the link.

There,w asn't that easy?


#104 of 229 by remmers on Fri Jan 28 14:40:06 2000:

"Bowfinger" - delectably zany farce, well worth a rental at your 
friendly neighborhood video store.  Steve Martin plays Bowfinger, an Ed 
Wood-like movie director trying to make a scifi movie about aliens 
taking over the earth, on a budget of $2000.  Eddie Murphy is the manic 
movie star who ends up in Martin's movie without realizing it; Murphy 
also plays a second role as the star's bashful, self-effacing brother.
As an added bonus, the film gets in a few nice jabs at Scientology.  
Found myself laughing quite a lot.  Frank Oz (of Muppet fame) directed.


#105 of 229 by md on Fri Jan 28 17:27:23 2000:

Ouch.  Ordinarily, I take Mr Cranky's reviews
with the grain of salt he (or they) want me to
take them with.  In the case of Bowfinger, however,
Mr Cranky drops the mask and delivers a straight
critique, with which I couldn't agree more:

"I'm basically used to the fact that, as an actor, 
Steve Martin is a smartass. For a comedian, this 
can be a gift, a necessity. Being a smartass as 
a writer, however, is something entirely different. 
Those of us who have achieved minimal notoriety can 
credibly retain a smartass perspective, because we 
can still look at the world through average eyes 
and offer our take on subjects big and small, rich 
and poor, without being hypocrites due to our social 
position.

"Steve Martin does not have this "luxury." He is a 
millionaire. He is a writer and a filmmaker who can 
write any book or get any film made merely by the 
power of his name. That Martin would choose to 
ridicule the caricature of low-budget filmmaking that 
is Bobby Bowfinger is the equivalent of Martin taking 
a stroll down Hollywood Boulevard and taking a warm 
piss on the first homeless guy he saw because said 
person offended his sense of aesthetics.

"In "Bowfinger," Bobby Bowfinger (Martin) has two 
thousand dollars, a bunch of bad actors, and wants to 
make a movie. He wants to make it with superstar Kit 
Ramsey (Eddie Murphy) but doesn't have his permission. 
So, he simply follows Ramsey around and films the movie 
anyway. He gets a look-a-like named Jiff (Murphy, in a 
dual role), a bunch of bad actors including Daisy 
(Heather Graham), Carol (Christine Baranski) and Slater 
(Kohl Sudduth), a screenwriter Afrim (Adam Alexi-Malle) 
and camera man and supplier, Dave (Jamie Kennedy).

"What does Steve Martin know about low-budget filmmaking, 
anyway? What does he know about misfits or about people 
who will forever fall short because they lack intelligence 
and talent? What does he know about actresses who have to 
sleep around to get what they want, other than having 
maybe slept with one? Why didn't Martin just make a comedy 
film about a quadriplegic's dream of competing at the 
Olympics in the 100-yard dash? He could have had hilarious 
scenes of the quad falling over in his electric wheelchair 
and being pinned on the hot asphalt for several hours. 
"Bowfinger" is a mean-spirited comedy trying to pretend 
it's silly and cute, which makes it that much more 
contemptible."


#106 of 229 by drewmike on Fri Jan 28 20:22:05 2000:

(Re 101: Changing your software adds controls to your hardware? 
Impressive.)


#107 of 229 by mary on Sat Jan 29 00:52:40 2000:

Re: #105 This guy saw another movie.  The character of Bowfinger is
passionate about film and nothing, not the lack of funding, acting talent,
or legal contracts will get in the way of his dream.  He face radiates
pride when the first screening ends to the applause of an appreciative
audience.  The scene where the Fed-Ex guy brings him his next "offer" is
precious beyond belief.  The Bowfinger character is a Hollywood hero.
In this movie Steve Martin isn't trying to mock Hollywood as much as
pay tribute to every director with a dream and not much else.

I like this film.


#108 of 229 by hhsrat on Sat Jan 29 01:25:07 2000:

(Mr. Cranky = Christopher Potter?)


#109 of 229 by tpryan on Sun Jan 30 02:06:39 2000:

        I am glad I got the DVD of Muppets in Space.  I watched the movie
for the first time last night.  A lot of laughing out loud.  Laughed
more when I watched it again with the live commentary by the director,
Tim Hill, Gonzo, Rizzo and Kermit going on.

        Now, my Gonzo think film festival of 1999 films will be:
Galaxy Quest, Toy Story 2, and Muppets in Space--they have something
in common.


#110 of 229 by bdh3 on Sun Jan 30 05:35:08 2000:

I liked _Bowfinger_ as well.  Whats-her-name even filled me in on all
the 'inside' jokes.


#111 of 229 by bdh3 on Sun Jan 30 05:48:59 2000:

Watched _Rush Hour_ recently with Jackie Chan and some eddie murphy
wanabe along with some latina that used to have longer hair (hesche
appeal?).
Mary Wilson, Nai-nai, and I (while whats-her-name was in
californicatoria otherwise she's object to its rating).  The funniest
parts were Mary Wilson translating the mandarin dialog so I wouldn't
miss anything (those parts were subtitled).  Its the first Jackie Chan
movie I've seen and I suspect not the last.  It actually had an
interesting plot, good action, and the out-takes in the trailer were
hilarious.  I believe it is the second english film(tape) that nai-nai
has enjoyed (the first being a COPS 'best of' that she was amazed at -
the notion that the police would actually let the media follow along
with them and film things as they happened....)  (Mary Wilson loves
COPS)


#112 of 229 by gull on Sun Jan 30 07:42:16 2000:

I find COPS kind of disturbing.  I'm thinking in particular of one episode
where they stopped a black guy riding on a bicycle at night, apparently for
no other reason than that he was black, and it was night.  Of course, he
turned out to have a warrant against him, when they checked out his ID on
the computer, but how many guys did they harass who *didn't* have warrants
against them?  Obviously they don't show that part on TV, but by inference
it must happen quite a bit.


#113 of 229 by scott on Sun Jan 30 13:31:58 2000:

I find those "cops" shows rather disturbing as well.  


#114 of 229 by jazz on Sun Jan 30 16:26:08 2000:

        On the same thought, I am concerned about the politically correct
telling police that they can't use any profiling skills they may have had -
unless they're profiling someone who is white, or of a minority that's not
large enough or politically powerful enough to have the protection of the
politically correct - because profiling is racist.  

        But I have seem some things on that show that really should have
resulted in someone getting dismissed permanently from the police force.


#115 of 229 by mary on Sun Jan 30 16:52:49 2000:

Profiling is racist.


#116 of 229 by don on Sun Jan 30 16:59:28 2000:

Is profiling the kind of stuff people are talking about when they mention
"Driving While Black"?


#117 of 229 by gull on Sun Jan 30 20:21:48 2000:

Re #114: Right...they shouldn't be profiling *anyone* based on the color of
their skin.


#118 of 229 by mcnally on Mon Jan 31 02:18:04 2000:

  I find "Cops" too disturbing to watch due to my "My god.. if *this* is
  how they behave when they KNOW they're being filmed" reaction to most
  of the footage..


#119 of 229 by bdh3 on Mon Jan 31 05:58:45 2000:

(sounds like a good topic for a separate item)


#120 of 229 by richard on Mon Jan 31 17:15:04 2000:

"NETWORK"-- caught this on dvd over the weekend.  I had forgotten what
a really great movie this is.  A really biting commentary on the power of
television and how people get destroyed by ambition and ego.  Peter 
Finch great as a network news anchor who has a mental breakdown and starts
ranting and raving on the air.  Faye Dunaway and Robert DuVall as the
heartless programming execs who keep Finch on the air after his breakdown
because his rantings are garnering great ratings.  "I'm as mad as hell
and Im not going to take it anymore"  William Holden as the crusty
news editor who is the only one who even cares about Finch.  This
movie was written by Paddy Chayefsky as a commentary on how television,
and its ability to foster and drive a celebrity and ego-driven culture,
could create generations of people so controlled by it that they lose
touch with reality.  That you could end up with people like the Dunaway
and Duvall characters, who lose their ability to relate in the real world 
and start looking at what's on television as reality.

A great movie.  Finch, Dunaway and Chayefsky all won academy awards. I highly
recommend it.


#121 of 229 by bruin on Mon Jan 31 20:08:43 2000:

And Peter Finch, who died shortly before the Academy Award Presentations, was
the first posthumous Best Actor Oscar.


#122 of 229 by bdh3 on Wed Feb 2 05:50:56 2000:

(Apropos of nothing, I believe his oscar was accepted by his widow who
happens to be black)(he is white).  Isn't this black history month?)
A really great flick, and although somewhat dated in its specifics it is
perhaps even more relevent to today than when it was filmed (I mean we
have federal and state money being spent to train 'former' welfare
recipients to be 'psychics' (NY state in a recent AP wire service
story).  We have _NEWSWEEK_ altering photographs to fit stories, we have
a president debating the meaning of the word 'is'...


#123 of 229 by sj2 on Wed Feb 2 09:27:40 2000:

I have been seeing two movies everyday for the past week. And the 
winners are :) "Welcome to Sarajevo" and "The Saviour". I don't how old 
are the movies but i don't care. I also saw some recent movies which 
were decent except this "Delta Force : Clear Target". 
Also i wanted to see more movies like "A Bridge too Far" and "The Hunt 
for the Red October". Any recommnedations?


#124 of 229 by bdh3 on Wed Feb 2 11:10:53 2000:

The film _A Bridge too far_ is how the british fucked up a perfectly
good land war.  _The hunt for the red october_ is the only really
good non-fictional portrayal of modern submarine warfare if you don't
allow the british to fuck it up. All the subsequent novels are an
egostistical power trip on the part of an american novelist (so what
else is new).  Any movie with "Delta" in the title is pure fiction.


#125 of 229 by senna on Thu Feb 3 01:49:50 2000:

Hunt for Red October is non-fictional?  Wow.


#126 of 229 by goose on Thu Feb 3 06:03:56 2000:

I liked the movie...but the book, WOW, I read the book not long after it came
out, and *could not* put it down until I had fininshed it.  None of his other
books came close, but I did enjoy Red Storm Rising, and even Patriot Games.
I never aw the movie adaptation of that since it got pretty poor reviews.

right now I'm reading SSN which is another fictional sub account based on a
game that Clancy had a part in.  It's okay, but no HFRO.  I also like his
non-fiction books like Submarine, Carrier, Fighter Wing, etc.

Sorry for so little movie content...


#127 of 229 by omni on Thu Feb 3 20:30:31 2000:

  I disagree with beady.

  Run Silent, Run Deep was a very good flick as was Grey Lady Down. GLD wasn't
about warfare, but it did show that the Navy could rescue a sub. Charlton
Heston and Ronny Cox were great. 

  Nova recently did a piece on the Glomar Explorer, a ship built by the CIA
to steal a russion sub that had sunk. Sort of a real life Red October. The
sub broke up, and we didn't learn anything about the russkies from that,
except how to waste a lot of money on a ship that is now rusting somewhere
in some Navy shipyard.

  On a different topic, I saw Anatomy of a Murder last night and man, what
a flick. Jimmy Stewart was fabulous, as was the rest of the cast. This was
based on a real case that happened in the UP. The guy who wrote the novel was
an ex-judge. All I can say is that I need to see more Otto Preminger movies,
and I need to tape this one next time it comes around. 


#128 of 229 by swa on Fri Feb 4 01:22:07 2000:

I meant to mention this earlier, and don't know if it's even showing
anywhere anymore, but "Anna and the King" was very cool.

I've long been an admirer of Jodie Foster, and my boyfriend has long been
an admirer of Chow-Yun Fat, so when we heard that they were planning to
make a movie together and that it would be a lavish historical piece to
boot... well.  We'd been looking forward to it for some time, and were
afraid that after the hype and whatnot it wouldn't live up to our
expectations.  But it did. :)  Good acting all around, wonderful costumes
and sets and other visual elements that really made me feel like I was in
1860's Siam.  More than that, the movie dealt with racial, cultural, and
gender conflicts with more subtlety than most Hollywood fare these days.
It managed to stay away from the old racist approach to these matters
-- white Christians converting the heathens -- while *also* staying away
from the other extreme, the sort of PC story where the Westerner learns
that everything she has ever learned in her culture is wrong and the East
is the only place of wisdom and compassion.  Seeing a nonpartisan middle
ground where both English and Siamese culture are seen to have their good
points, and both are seen to have their bad points, was a very refreshing
surprise.  

Yeah, the movie is a little full of itself at times.  It's attempting to
be a Great Sweeping Epic, incorporating two love stories, a tale of
political intrigue, a coming-of-age story, the aforementioned
cross-cultural dialogue, etc., etc. all into one 2.5-hour movie.  And
there were a few overly grandiose moments, but on the whole the film has
earned the right to them.  It did a better job than most of weaving
various subplots and themes together, and actually seemed to be succeeding
in its quest towards epicness.  (Yes, I know that's not a word.  I'm
tired.)

I'm not a scholar of Thai history, and I'm sure that there were various
omissions and fictionalizations throughout (though less, certainly, than
in the musical version).  But I left the movie fascinated and wanting to
learn more.  A good sign, I think.


#129 of 229 by senna on Fri Feb 4 07:04:03 2000:

I recall seeing something about the Glomar Explorer, might have been the Nova
you saw, a year ago or so.  I agree, very fascinating (and expensive) stuff.
Didn't one of Clancy's novels mention it?


#130 of 229 by omni on Fri Feb 4 08:31:32 2000:

  I dunno; even though I have most of Clancy's novels in my library, I have
not got to them yet. Maybe I should start one.


#131 of 229 by flem on Fri Feb 4 15:54:20 2000:

I saw _Boys Don't Cry_ last night.  I was far more impressed than I 
expected to be.  I knew most of the plot going in, and expected to have 
to sit through a lot of uncomfortable moments as the script and actors 
tried to wrestle with very subtle issues.  In that sense, I was 
disappointed.  :)  The script was excellent, and between that and the 
acting, the plot occurred in a very natural way.  The movie had much of 
the flavor of a classic tragedy, to me.  


#132 of 229 by goose on Fri Feb 4 21:38:42 2000:

The glomar Explorer was a fron for the CIA to recover a "lost" soviet boomer
(nuke carrying sub).  The cover story was that wacko...I mean eccentric
billionaire Howard Hughes was using this ship to search for oil...I also have
anohter sub book that is a barely fictionalized account of anohter attempt
to recover this "lost" sub.  I wish I could remember the title right now...


#133 of 229 by gull on Sat Feb 5 04:49:34 2000:

Re #127: How did the movie of _Run Silent, Run Deep_ compare to the book? 
I've read the book, and loved it.  The sequel, _Dust on the Sea_, is also
good, though considerably darker.


#134 of 229 by omni on Sat Feb 5 06:39:58 2000:

  I didn't read Run Silent, Run Deep, I just saw the movie. Sorry, Dave.


#135 of 229 by bdh3 on Sat Feb 5 09:32:37 2000:

re#132:  The 'cover story' was that Hughes was trying to mine manganese
nodules not oil. The story is well covered in _Blind Man's Bluff_, a
really good read, not a movie.


#136 of 229 by goose on Sat Feb 5 14:53:26 2000:

Ahh...then the Hitlory channel got it all wrong...


#137 of 229 by gull on Sat Feb 5 15:07:07 2000:

Nova got it right, though.  (Or was it TLC?  Forget which.)


#138 of 229 by bdh3 on Sun Feb 6 05:43:51 2000:

re#136: If they said it was oil they did indeed.


#139 of 229 by krj on Sun Feb 6 15:16:15 2000:

International Channel is showing a few movies with Hong Kong 
action star Chow Yun Fat.  See http://www.i-channel.com and look 
at the "Chinese New Year" link.  I know there are a few Chow Yun Fat
fans on Grex.


#140 of 229 by md on Sun Feb 6 20:03:16 2000:

SCREAM 3 (B-) - Not as funny or scary or clever or 
even as subtle, if you can use that word, as 1 & 2.  
It was fun seeing Sydney, Gail, Dewey and the gang 
again, however, and I suspect 3 will have a 
respectable box office for that reason alone.  For
a movie/TV fan, it provides lots of wry little
moments, which is most of the fun with these movies.
The Carrie Fisher cameo was an especially nice touch.

EYE OF THE BEHOLDER (F) - A colossal waste of time.
Silly, pointless, meandering story, motivation-free
characters.  the kind of movie that makes the popcorn
taste bad.


#141 of 229 by mcnally on Sun Feb 6 21:35:39 2000:

  Don't pull any punches, md, tell us how you *really* feel..


#142 of 229 by md on Mon Feb 7 12:39:17 2000:

According to http://www.variety.com/ Scream 3
has had a big opening weekend, partly due to
the 6,000 or so screens Miramax showed it on
(the largest number since Wild Wild West opened
last summer).

"Third installment in the string of horror pics 
released under the Dimension Films genre banner 
reaped an estimated $35.2 million for the biggest 
opening in Miramax history. The prior best, of course, 
was 'Scream 2,' which totaled $32.9 in December 1997.

"Pic set more than Miramax marks. It's the biggest 
three-day bow by any distrib during the first four 
months of the year, not counting the $35.9 million 
that 'Star Wars' grossed when re-released in January 
1997. If the projections are accurate, the weekend 
would rank No. 28 on the all-time list.

"Feedback was strong, if not overwhelming, according 
to exit polls still being compiled. Between 80% and 
90% of auds in exit polls checked one of the top two 
boxes and a slightly lower percentage said they^Rd 
recommend the pic to a friend. . .

"'Scream 3' in fact occupied a different B.O. realm, 
crushing runner-up 'The Hurricane' by more than $30 
million, one of the widest margins in history. It also 
outgrossed the Nos. 2 through 10 pics combined."

(Sorry about the Varietyspeak.)


#143 of 229 by hematite on Mon Feb 7 23:53:51 2000:

Jay and Silent Bob make an appearance in it! (Or so my roommate tells 
me.)


#144 of 229 by omni on Tue Feb 8 08:43:09 2000:

   This afternoon I stumbled across a little film called "Larceny, Inc" with
Edward G. Robinson and Anthony Quinn. I won't spoil it by saying what theplot
is, but I suggest you go rent this if you want a good laugh.

   EGR didn't do many comedies, but he did this one to perfection. I have not
come across any movie of his that was a dog. 4 stars.


#145 of 229 by md on Fri Feb 11 15:41:13 2000:

Jim Varney, of the various "Ernest" movies
and the "Hey, Verne" TV commercials, has died
of lung cancer at the age of 50.  He was also 
the voice of Slinkydog in Toy Story 2.


#146 of 229 by bdh3 on Sat Feb 12 07:07:46 2000:

Was that a movie?
Saw the flick _The Big Liebowski_ (or something like that).  I believe
its from the same folk as _Fargo_ and pretty darn funny although not up
to the same standard.  The 'cowboy' schtick/cameo from the well known
Louis Lamour film adaptations (and owner of the film rights) is another
odd touch along with the car from the TV series _Starsky&Hutch_ (trashed
and burned).  Lots of funny stuff and bit parts by 'big' (small b)
names.


#147 of 229 by remmers on Sat Feb 12 12:56:07 2000:

    "The Big Lebowski" is a stitch.  Yes, it's from the Coen
    brothers, of "Fargo" fame.  (Also "Blood Simple", "Raising
    Arizona", and "The Hudsucker Proxy".)



#148 of 229 by goose on Sat Feb 12 16:01:40 2000:

Don't forget Millers Crossing....


#149 of 229 by md on Sat Feb 12 17:09:25 2000:

Too late.


#150 of 229 by mcnally on Sat Feb 12 21:31:05 2000:

  I don't generally enjoy the Coen brothers' movies (which is a problem
  sometimes when watching a movie with friends, as all my friends seem
  to love them,) but I thought that "The Big Lebowski" was very funny.


#151 of 229 by omni on Sat Feb 12 22:41:23 2000:

  I too, saw The Big Lebowski. I'm still laughing over it.


#152 of 229 by richard on Sat Feb 12 22:55:24 2000:

New DVD recommendation-- "CITY LIGHTS"-- this is the new digitally
remastered dvd version of Charlie Chaplin's 1931 masterpiece.  A print
taken from the best negative known to exsist-- with a new stereo recording
of the original Chaplin score.  Looks and sounds just wonderful.  This is
one of my alltime favorite movies, the story of the Little Tramp's
relationship with a beautiful  blind flower girl, who mistakenly thinks
he's a millionaire.  This is a movie thats both heartbreakingly sad and
hillariously funny at the same time.  And has one of the most famous
final scenes of alltime, where the flower girl has regained her sight and
encounters the Tramp (a homeless vagrant) who made her sight possible, and
doesnt recognize him.  Then holds his hand and suddenly does.  They are
are staring at each other and you are left wondering what they are
thinking.  Priceless!


#153 of 229 by tpryan on Sat Feb 12 23:50:55 2000:

        That is one of three Charlie Chaplin films to come out on DVD,
just earlier this week.


#154 of 229 by danr on Sun Feb 13 03:21:40 2000:

I also enjoyed "The Big Lebowski."


#155 of 229 by janc on Sun Feb 13 06:14:05 2000:

"City Lights" used to strick me as one of the sadest films I'd ever
seen.


#156 of 229 by jep on Mon Feb 14 16:00:19 2000:

We took the kids to "The Tigger Movie" yesterday.  It was John's first 
movie in the theater.  He's 3 1/2.  It kept his attention for the entire 
movie, which I didn't think was possible.  That definitely says 
something about the movie.

I'm not going to say a lot about the movie.  It has the entire Winnie 
the Pooh cast, and is a cute story.  That's all you need to know before 
you go.  John loved it; he wanted to go again today.  David (age 8 1/2) 
also enjoyed it.  Andrea and I liked it, but that's irrelevant; we 
didn't go for us.


#157 of 229 by richard on Mon Feb 14 16:16:59 2000:

The City Lights DVD also has as an extra Chaplin's meticulously detailed
notes he wrote down prior to filming and during filming, showing just
how precisely detailed he was about each scene and each movement.  It
took three years to do city lights, including a stretch of over a year
where he stopped production entirely because he couldnt figure out the
key scene where the blind flower girl mistakes the tramp for a millionaire.
You'd never see any director suspend filming over a year over one
scene these days!


#158 of 229 by mary on Wed Feb 16 22:44:57 2000:

I really enjoyed "Cider House Rules".  It's true to the book
both in story and style - a gentle and quiet character study.
The ensemble cast does a brillant job of keeping it simple.

Jane Alexander has a smallish part.  I really like her and
will see anything she graces.  


#159 of 229 by md on Thu Feb 17 02:42:43 2000:

Roger Vadim, French movie director (And God
Created Woman, Barbarella) died recently at
the age of 70.  He is known to have done it
with Brigitte Bardot, Jane Fonda and Catherine
Deneuve when they were young hotties, so as
much as I would like to say he's gone to his
reward, I think he's already used that up.


#160 of 229 by bdh3 on Thu Feb 17 04:40:37 2000:

yeah.


#161 of 229 by bdh3 on Thu Feb 17 04:41:29 2000:

The only ones he missed were Kate Jackson and Dani Delany


#162 of 229 by omni on Thu Feb 17 08:11:25 2000:

  Let's hear it for the Sundance Channel. They repeated "The Big Liebowski"
so I could record it. It gets funnier with each viewing.


#163 of 229 by remmers on Thu Feb 17 11:21:41 2000:

Ann Arbor cable gets the Sundance Channel?  Didn't know that.


#164 of 229 by omni on Fri Feb 18 02:15:11 2000:

  They do on Digital Next TV from MedioNone. About the same price, but more
channels. We just went over to Digi and it's pretty cool. The only downer is
that I lost my scheduler. 


#165 of 229 by richard on Sun Feb 27 22:28:40 2000:

dvd recommendation-- LONESOME DOVE-- you can have all eight hours of this
epic western miniseries on one disc!  Based on the pulitzer prize winning
Larry McMurtry novel about a cattle drive from Texas to Montana.  The best
thing about this is the wonderful performances, particularly the chemistry
between the leads, Robert DuVall and Tommy Lee Jones.  Some say this is
the best performance of DuVall's career.  well worth having!

Also, the DVD of universal's 1931 horror classic, Dracula (the original
starring Bela Lugosi)  This comes complete with a wonderful new soundtrack
written by Philip Glass and recorded by the Kronos quartet!  Its great
fund to play this and just listen to the music.  Also you get as a bonus
the alternate Spanish version of the movie, which was shot on the same
sets at the same time (spanish version filmed at night, english version
during the day)  The spanish version is regarded by some as even better.
Plus a documentary on the history of Dracula and the Dracula films and
lots of other stuff.





#166 of 229 by mary on Sun Feb 27 23:03:57 2000:

"Pitch Black"  was much better than I expected.  The eclipse sequence
was stunning.  It worked a little too hard to up-end racial and gender
stereotypes, but it was fiction, after all.

"Wonder Boys"  has one clever script.  I'd say it was "Easy Rider"
30 years and an education later.  Recommended.  No cars blow-up
but a hood gets dented.


#167 of 229 by mcnally on Sun Feb 27 23:24:49 2000:

  Snow Falling on Cedars -- (D)

  If this movie had been a Fox special it might easily have been titled
  "When Bad Directors Attack".  Based on David Guterson's popular novel
  about a murder trial involving a Japanese-American fisherman just after
  WWII, "Snow Falling On Cedars" should've been a fairly safe bet --
  adaptation of a bestselling novel, decent cast turning in decent 
  performances, attractive scenery and interesting setting (a small town
  in an island off the coast of Washington State (one of the San Juans?))

  Unfortunately, director Scott Hicks apparently decided to take all of
  these elements of what should have been a modest success and throw them
  into a blender.  The resulting morass of flashbacks, cut-aways, and 
  poorly-edited montages is neither artistic nor appealing, just annoying.
  *Extremely* annoying.  



  -- 


  The World is Not Enough -- (D+)

  I caught two movies at the bargain theater this weekend and this was the
  second.  After "Snow Falling on Cedars" I wasn't looking for anything
  ambitious or involved, so a mindless dose of vehicle chases and explosions,
  taken withouth any great expectations, seemed like a good idea.  Nope!

  The two thousandth feature-length James Bond film, TWinE managed to slide
  in well under even my extremely low expectations for a Bond action film.
  It's hard to criticise a Bond film.. 

    Of course the plot was idiotic and full of holes.

    Of course the characters were ludicrously one-dimensional.

    And of course the physics of the action sequences were simply insulting
    to any moderately thoughtful viewer.

  These aren't flaws to be forgiven in a Bond film, they're apparently actual
  necessary elements of the genre.  You expect them.  You might, in fact,
  be scandalized if they weren't there.

  In that sense, in fact, "The World is Not Enough" might actually be the
  quintessential Bond film.  The plot is *extra* idiotic, the characters
  are especially one-dimensional, and a whole lotta things get 'blowed up
  reeeal good,' often by scantily clad women.

  Unfortunately, though many other Bond films have been enjoyable despite
  these properties, "The World is Not Enough" is just too much.


#168 of 229 by krj on Mon Feb 28 02:45:47 2000:

Yeah, I didn't feel like working up a detailed criticism of it, 
but I really did not like "The World Is Not Enough" very much.
I felt like it was a non-stop assault on my ears.  There just wasn't 
much of a sense of fun to it; in that respect it reminded me of 
Timothy Dalton's second Bond film, "License to Kill," probably the only 
Bond film I'm seen just once.
 
The one part of the film I liked was more screen time for Judi Densch,
who is the new 'M'.
 
Definitely a disappointment after the success of the previous film, 
"Tomorrow Never Dies," with Hong Kong martial arts star Michelle Yeoh.


#169 of 229 by flem on Mon Feb 28 04:35:30 2000:

(Aside:  I was in the movie store the other day and noticed "Grey 
Owl", featuring Pierce Brosnan playing a white frontiersman, complete 
with coonskin cap and fringed buckskin, who gets adopted into an Indian 
tribe.  I very nearly rented it, just to laugh myself silly at seeing 
P.B. in buckskin.  :)


#170 of 229 by mcnally on Mon Feb 28 04:51:04 2000:

  It might've been worth it just to see how the movie would explain how
  he kept himself supplied with styling mousse on the edge of the frontier..


#171 of 229 by gypsi on Mon Feb 28 05:48:38 2000:

<smirks>  Nice one...


#172 of 229 by drew on Tue Feb 29 03:08:41 2000:

I still think the James Bond character is way overdue for shriveling up due
to old age. My god! He's been at it for almost 40 years!


#173 of 229 by remmers on Tue Feb 29 13:28:56 2000:

Trivia puzzle: Name all the actors who have played Bond in the movies.


#174 of 229 by void on Tue Feb 29 14:28:46 2000:

   hmmm...george lazenby, sean connery, roger moore, timothy dalton,
pierce brosnan, and some american whose name i forget but who starred as
james "jimmy" bond in a 1959-ish made-for-tv serious production of
"casino royale."  is that all of them?


#175 of 229 by bruin on Tue Feb 29 14:37:34 2000:

RE #175 I believe that "Jimmy" Bond was played by Woody Allen in "Casino
Royale."  But I could be wrong on that.


#176 of 229 by scott on Tue Feb 29 15:08:50 2000:

"Casino Royale" is a trick refernce, though, since one of the plot lines was
that (to sow confusion) *all* agents would be named James Bond.  So you'd have
to list a lot of actors and even a dog.


#177 of 229 by remmers on Tue Feb 29 16:46:38 2000:

I'm not familiar with a made-for-tv "Casino Royale". The 1967
film version had at least Peter Sellers, David Niven, and Woody
Allen as Bond.


#178 of 229 by krj on Tue Feb 29 18:29:33 2000:

void is correct about the made-for-tv version.  Author Ian Fleming 
sold the dramatic rights to "Casino Royale," his first Bond novel, 
back in the 1950s.  The makers of the 1967 film spoof bought those 
rights and thus had a legal claim to use the "James Bond" name.


#179 of 229 by void on Tue Feb 29 20:45:06 2000:

   right, krj.  i'm not talking about the spoof version of "casino
royale" with peter sellers, david niven, et cetera.  there was a
serious, as in non-comedic, black-and-white production of "casino
royale" made for american tv in about 1959 or so.  most, if not all, the
actors were americans and the characters all referred to bond as
"jimmy."  i'll see if i can find a reference to it somewhere, since krj
and i seem to be the only people who have heard of this version.


#180 of 229 by void on Tue Feb 29 20:49:30 2000:

   hmmm.  this is why i love google:

Casino Royale (1954) 

The screen debut of James Bond, broadcast live on CBS-TV in the U.S. on
October 21, 1954 as part of the "Climax Mystery Theater." Running time
50 minutes.

Starring Barry Nelson as Jimmy Bond, Linda Christian as the Bond girl,
Peter Lorre as the villain, Le Chiffre, with Michael Pate as Clarence
Leiter. 

In a nationality twist, "Jimmy Bond" is a CIA agent, and "Clarence
Leiter" is Bond's British ally. 

(from http://www.mcs.net/~klast/www/cr54.html)


#181 of 229 by gelinas on Wed Mar 1 03:07:09 2000:

Peter Lorre as Le Chiffre. . . . Interesting.

I've not seen the movie, but I can't see Mr. Lorre in the book's role.


#182 of 229 by remmers on Wed Mar 1 15:15:22 2000:

Oh my.  Now that void has entered the details, I can recall seeing
that TV production.  I believe it was the premiere production of
"Climax Mystery Theater".


#183 of 229 by md on Wed Mar 1 21:24:23 2000:

From http://www.eonline.com/

"Leni Riefenstahl, 97, once famed as Hitler's 
favorite filmmaker, survived a plane crash in 
the Sudan with only broken ribs, a German source 
said Wednesday."

I had no idea she was still alive.




#184 of 229 by richard on Wed Mar 1 22:24:39 2000:

leni reifenstahl, not only still alive at 97, but coming out with
her autobiography soon, should be good as she's had some life-- also
movie of her life with her played by Jodie Foster


#185 of 229 by remmers on Wed Mar 1 22:31:22 2000:

I had no idea she was still alive either.  Must be in pretty
good health if she's flying around in planes in the Sudan.


#186 of 229 by md on Fri Mar 10 13:25:13 2000:

Recent rentals:

EYES WIDE SHUT (C) - A beautifully detailed production
but as shallow as a pizza pan.  It can be helpful with a
movie by a Kubrick to imagine that it was directed by
someone else -- say, James Cameron -- and then ask yourself
what your opinion of it would be.  Eyes Wide Shut flunks the
Cameron test dismally.  Even the sumptuous visuals got on
my nerves after a while.  In mean, how many curtains of
white Christmas lights do I have to be shown before I shout,
"I get the idea!"?  And how many times does Nicole Kidman
have to dissolve in naughty-schoolgirl giggles before you
want to put duct tape over her mouth?


#187 of 229 by remmers on Sat Mar 11 01:23:01 2000:

If James Cameron had made "Eyes Wide Shut," I'd have said that he'd made
a major breakthrough in his development as a director and that I didn't
know he had it in him.


#188 of 229 by otaking on Sat Mar 11 05:55:02 2000:

"Eyes Wide Shut" might prove to be the breakthrough film for Leelee Sobiewski,
who I really enjoyed in the "Joan of Arc" TV mini-series.


#189 of 229 by richard on Sat Mar 11 22:19:00 2000:

as steven spielberg said, he used to hate Kubrick's films-- he particularly
disliked The Shining.  But a funny thing happened, he periodically watched
them again, and with each viewing saw different things and different details.
Kubrick made his films with such detail that you simply cant "get it" watching
it once.  Spielberg now says The Shining, which he once hated, is now one of
his absolute favorite movies of all, and that he came to be in awe of
Kubrick's talent.  He says that in time, people will come to realize "Eyes
Wide Shut" for the masterpiece that it is.   


#190 of 229 by aaron on Sun Mar 12 01:01:17 2000:

Any "masterpiece" that must be studied over and over again to be appreciated
is unlikely to ever gain widespread recognition as a "masterpiece," no
matter how adored it may be by those who take the time to study it.


#191 of 229 by flem on Sun Mar 12 01:08:05 2000:

Perhaps.  On the other hand, there are a great many "masterpieces" that never
achieve widespread recognition except among specialists.  


#192 of 229 by aaron on Sun Mar 12 01:14:53 2000:

Any that the typical person cares about? ;)


#193 of 229 by void on Sun Mar 12 01:22:20 2000:

   drift: does anyone else find it disturbing that the census
commercial showing various school rooms and the numbers of students
they were built to hold/currently hold uses the same beethoven
recording which was used in "a clockwork orange" when alex was
undergoing the ludovico treatment and being shown films?


#194 of 229 by other on Sun Mar 12 01:28:06 2000:

disturbing?  i didn't notice, but now that you mention it, i find it very
amusing, actually.


#195 of 229 by jazz on Sun Mar 12 01:28:12 2000:

        I'm a fan of many of Kubricks' films, and I really didn't think that
there was all that much to Eyes Wide Shut, either.  Perhaps someone who did
like it might explain what they liked about it, so that I might benefit from
a deeper appreciation?


#196 of 229 by remmers on Sun Mar 12 12:41:03 2000:

Re resp:190 et seq:  Don't neglect the effect of advocacy.
Not *everybody* has to study a work over and over again.
If a few do, and those few publish their opinions, this
can over time change public perceptions.  Various Hitchcock
films have been elevated to "masterpiece" status in this
way, for example.


#197 of 229 by md on Sun Mar 12 15:41:56 2000:

Some things I liked about EWS:

The exploitation of various societal strata.  Dr Harford
and his wife are first presented as a couple of rich and 
wordly New Yorkers, invited to the best parties, collectors
of art, all-around BPs.  Then, as they are exposed to people
from other social and economic levels, we see a prostitute
more beautiful -- inside and out -- than either of them; 
and, in the end, we get Ziegler's comment to Harford that 
Harford was immediately identified as an outsider at the 
orgy because, "you arrived in a cab, and everyone else came 
in a limo."  

The first and least effective example of this is the oily 
Hungarian who tries to hit on Alice at Ziegler's big party.  
We're meant to think of him as an aristocratic European taking 
advantage of the silly naive American girl we'd been taking 
for an upper-class sophisticate just two minutes ago.  
Unfortunately, not only does Kubrick ruin it by making Kidman 
too drunk for her coy giggles to mean anything, but also the 
Hungarian himself is first cousin to Zoltan Carpathy, that 
figure of fun who "oozes charm from every pore as he oils his 
way around the floor" trying and failing to unmask Eliza 
Doolittle at the Embassy Ball in "My Fair Lady."  It's 
practically the same guy.  But a director like Kubrick can't
possibly have done something like this by accident, so maybe
the message is: *even* a Zoltan Carpathy can knock over a
ditz like Alice.

The last scene between the Harfords has been justly criticized, 
even by the movie's admirers, for some really dreadful writing.  
But the very last word of the movie is right on the money.  The 
way couples trying to be faithful to each other can deal with the 
kinds of temptations the Harfords have been agonizing pointlessly 
over is -- to be faithful to each other.  When Nicole Kidman says 
the word "fuck," you feel like saying, "THANK you!"  For more 
than two hours, it looked like they'd ever figure it out.  The 
fact that Kubrick presented it as if it were some great final 
illumination is symptomatic of the over-all puerility of the movie, 
however.

I like the general idea, if not its execution in EWS, of the
director making ironic little comments, visible only to the
audience.  The NY Post headline "LUCKY TO BE ALIVE" is one obvious 
(too obvious) example.  The various references to Kubrick, his
family, and his other movies scattered throughout EWS is another.  
There is an undeniably so-what quality to all of this, but it 
helped pass the time, at least for me.


#198 of 229 by jazz on Sun Mar 12 15:49:24 2000:

        I'd thought the "LUCKY TO BE ALIVE" headline was a bit corny in that
context;  in a movie that was less realistically shot, it might've worked
quite well.

        It also occured to me that whomever was writing the film had some
seriously confused ideas about the ritual magic and bondage communities, and
sex clubs.  


#199 of 229 by danr on Sun Mar 12 18:46:39 2000:

Sweet and Lowdown
2.5 stars out of 4

Sean Penn is really great in this movie, but about every ten minutes or so the
movie is interrupted by Woody Allen and some other folks supposedly
knowledgeable about Emmet Ray to tell stories. These interruptions really
prevented you from really getting into the movie, imho.  And sometimes when
Woody was on it was almost as if he couldn't bear to make a movie in which he
didn't appear.


#200 of 229 by flem on Sun Mar 12 20:31:33 2000:

I have a fond place in my heart for Sweet and Lowdown, not because I 
enjoyed the movie so much (though I did rather like it), but because 
after walking out, I had such an urge to go listen to some jazz music 
that I went to the Bird of Paradise for the first time.  I'm rather 
quickly becoming a regular there.  :)


#201 of 229 by richard on Sun Mar 12 20:57:18 2000:

Remember, Citizen Kane was panned when it first came out-- Orson Welles
didnt even get nominated for best director, best actor, or best picture.
Like fine wine, good films age well with time-- maybe it didnt win any
academy awards, or even get nominated, but Welles' film is now widely
considered the greatest american film ever made.  People just had to
watch it a few times ya know....same thing with Kubrick


#202 of 229 by md on Sun Mar 12 22:34:21 2000:

When Citizen Kane first came out, Borges predicted
that it would be recognized as a masterpiece, but 
that not many people would want to actually sit 
through it again.  A nice disinction.  Maybe EWS
will turn out that way, too.


#203 of 229 by otter on Sun Mar 12 23:01:01 2000:

Back to resp:172 for just a sec...
In several real-life agencies, designators and working names are passed 
on as people quit, transfer, die, retire. So, agent 007 is always called 
James Bond, no matter who happens to be doing that job at any given time.
In at least one American agency, teams of people who work together all 
have the same working first name; you have Mike team, Bill team, Tim 
team, etc.
Honest.


#204 of 229 by remmers on Mon Mar 13 00:15:31 2000:

Hm, Borges blew it.  I've seen "Citizen Kane" a few times, anyway.
Would like to see EWS again too...


#205 of 229 by jep on Mon Mar 13 02:38:10 2000:

We saw "The Tigger Movie" again at the #2/ticket Clinton theater.  It 
kept my wife and I awake, and greatly entertained the kids.  It also 
sold out the Clinton theater on Friday night (216 seats).  By 
obervation, I'd say they had good crowds for the Saturday and Sunday 
night showings as well.


#206 of 229 by katie on Mon Mar 13 02:43:14 2000:

I thoroughly enjoyed "Wonder Boys" last night.  Am wondering, tho, why
Robert Downey, Jr was allowed to leave prison to make it.


#207 of 229 by mcnally on Mon Mar 13 03:37:43 2000:

  Because of its strong anti-substance-abuse message?

  saw "The Beach" at The Harbor, the cheapie theater in Muskegon,
  on Friday.

  it was, ummm, interesting..  Not totally unredeemable, but it Had
  Serious Problems.  I'd give it a C+   After "Trainspotting" I was
  expecting more from director Danny Boyle..


#208 of 229 by mary on Mon Mar 13 11:39:58 2000:

"Mission to Mars" is a Tom Hanks movie without Tom Hanks.
Take the kids.


#209 of 229 by md on Mon Mar 13 11:58:45 2000:

That we will.

We went and saw THE CIDER HOUSE RULES (B) in an 
effort to catch up on our Oscar nominees.  It's
a very nice movie.  John Irving tends to let his
plots and characters lead him where they will, 
which can make for a pleasingly random ride.  
The movie was shot, I'm told, largely in western
Massachusetts where I grew up.  Michael Cain is
excellent.


#210 of 229 by otaking on Mon Mar 13 16:44:50 2000:

I saw FANTASIA 2000 on Saturday. It's a great movie that I highly recommend.
The mix of art and classical music was superb. In particular, I loved the
animation with the whales (unfortunately, I can't remember the music that
accompanied it), Rhapsody in Blue, and The Firebird. The latter in particulr
was beautiful.

Watching "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" showed the vast difference between
61-year-old 35mm film and new IMAX 15/70mm film. The old film looked grainy
in comparison to the rest of the film. Despite that, I still loved watchin
it on a big screen.

If you see it at the IMAX theater at Greenfield Village, be sure to stick
around for the tour of the projection booth after the show. It's a neat behind
the scenes look.


#211 of 229 by richard on Mon Mar 13 18:02:49 2000:

robert downey is a great actor, if he can get day leave from his prison
home to do films, why not? *shrug*


#212 of 229 by mcnally on Mon Mar 13 20:42:10 2000:

  The question wasn't "why would RD jr leave prison to do a film?"
  but "why would he be *allowed* to leave to do a film?"

  Although I like his work, it still pisses me off to see the justice
  system bend over backwards to accomodate the rich and famous.  If he
  were a bricklayer or an office worker who was in prison as a repeat
  drug offender would he recieve the same treatment?  I doubt it, even
  if his family's livelihood depended on it..


#213 of 229 by rcurl on Mon Mar 13 21:55:08 2000:

Re #210: van Gogh looks grainy too. 


#214 of 229 by albaugh on Mon Mar 13 22:03:28 2000:

Saw "Stuart Little" last night with the family at Plymouth's Penn Theatre.
Nice little family flick, everything comes out OK in the end (oops, was that
a spoiler? ;-) and no animals were harmed in the making of the film (unless
you consider cats falling into the river and dragging themselves out
bedraggled to be punishment instead of fit punishment! :-)


#215 of 229 by omni on Mon Mar 13 23:00:07 2000:

  It was "The Pines of Rome" by Rhespiegi (sp)


#216 of 229 by richard on Mon Mar 13 23:03:23 2000:

"FREE ENTERPRISE"-- found this movie on the video store shelf-- it may
have been straight to video because I'd never heard of it before. 
Its about two Trekkies (star trek fans) who live star trek obssessed lives.
Their hero is William Shatner (captain kirk) and he appears to them
in apparitions giving them advice.  Then one day they actually *meet*
Shatner in real life (Shatner playing himself), and are disillusioned
to find out Shatner is really a shallow egomaniacal actor.  Shatner is
recovering from a recent divorce and drowning himself in alchoholism.  And
instead of doing Trek projects and Trek conventions, Shatner is trying to
do a one-man, musical (!) version of Shakespeare's Julius Caesar in which
he plays all the parts.  Naturally, the two Trekkies are completely
disgusted, but come to realize Shatner is just an actor and that they cant
lead their lives based on a tv series done 30 years ago.  The ending to
this is really bizarre as it shows Shatner actually doing his musical
Julius Caesar (this scene defies description)  All in all a funny movie,
and Shatner is to be commended for portraying himself so accurately


#217 of 229 by flem on Tue Mar 14 01:01:07 2000:

Oh, what a mental image!  :)


#218 of 229 by gull on Tue Mar 14 01:54:38 2000:

Re #210:  The only thing that bugged me about the whales is that the CG
whales and the hand-drawn eyes made a really spooky and wrong-looking
combination.


#219 of 229 by tpryan on Tue Mar 14 03:40:44 2000:

        Friend in Florida's review of Mission to Mars:  Long and boring.
Tried to be 2001 without the aid of Krubrick or Clarke.


#220 of 229 by mcnally on Tue Mar 14 04:37:25 2000:

  My sister, my brother, and I went to see "The Cider House Rules" tonight.

  Basically, I liked it but think that it's a pretty sad year for movies
  when this is a strong contender for a "best picture" Oscar..  It was a
  decent movie and no doubt a better-than-average novel adaptation, but a
  year and a half from now I suspect I'll barely remember it..


#221 of 229 by gypsi on Tue Mar 14 05:54:16 2000:

Anney and I watched _Detroit Rock City_ tonight.  We laughed and 
laughed.  I'm not a huge Kiss fan, but it had some *great* classic 
songs all the way through it.  Hell, even "Convoy" made it.  =)  There 
were some priceless scenes and some fairly good humor.  B+


#222 of 229 by bdh3 on Tue Mar 14 08:35:24 2000:

_Mission To Mars_ - Nice special effects except for the martian.  Poor
science. 1) a martian rover 'bot roaming over sun baked mud is a nice
scene, but there hasn't been rain on mars for awhile.  2) If you have
three humans on one end of a rope with another human on the other end
that is spooling out some speed and apply tension on it you will
accomplish two things, you will reduce the speed of the one human on the
other end, and you will bring the three humans at the other closer to
the one human.  Its called 'inertia'. 3) If you are going to film a
weightless dance sequence, consider there are three dimensions.

All in all, a nice flick, but one better seen at the cheaper matinee
price I think.  Also, quite a sendup to Kubrick's 2001 but not as well
done.

Other minor quibbles (warning: potential spoilers):




1)If you are going to have depressurization of a 'shirtsleeve'
environment, everybody gets pressurized first thing, even if you have to
get a spare helmet.  2) an orbital insertion 'burn' means the main
engines point towards the current direction of flight, not aft.  You
don't speed up to enter an orbit if you are at risk of skipping past
(because you are going too fast).  3) A 'temporary' structure at mars
surface suitable for human 'shirtsleeve' environment is going to be
rather rigid, not a tent billowing in wind gusts.  4)  You are not going
to recognize 'human' DNA -vs- a pig -vs- an e-coli bacterium -vs- an
'alien' on an atomic level (MM's) as audio even broadcast over FM on a
laptop screen. 5) Presumably an advanced enough science to ensure the
function of a device for millenia would be able to prevent it being
burried by dust.  6) A holigraphic image that holds hands - gimme a
break.

1a) Quite a few continuity gaffs.  2a)  Major star appears only in
flashback or 'video' - one has to wonder what the original screenplay or
even film was like.

Enough said.  About on par with the best of original TV Star Trek and
current spin offs, but hardly that great for a full length feature.
See it on the cheap showings or wait for the video. 


#223 of 229 by drewmike on Tue Mar 14 17:25:48 2000:

Oh, now, Richard. Shatner doesn't drown *himself*. You know that.


#224 of 229 by drew on Tue Mar 14 19:32:12 2000:

Re #222:
    I've been saying your minor quibble #2 about space movies and TV shows
for years.


#225 of 229 by bru on Fri Mar 17 18:24:51 2000:

What he didn't say about "FREE ENTERPRISE"  is that Shatner is attempting to
rap Shakespeares julius Ceasar...

They showed part of it on the Tonight show last night while interviewing
Shatner.  They also discussed his TV commercials where he sings the oldies
for Priceline.com...


#226 of 229 by otaking on Fri Mar 17 22:16:36 2000:

After seeing Shatner on the Tonight show, I really want to see FREE
ENTERPRISE. SHakespeare set to rap was just hilarious.


#227 of 229 by otter on Tue Mar 21 05:18:16 2000:

Ya oughta hear him read _Lucy in the Sky_...


#228 of 229 by aruba on Mon Mar 27 08:20:24 2000:

I can attest that having once heard William Shatner sing Luciy in the Sky
with Diamonds, you will never forget it.


#229 of 229 by otter on Sun Apr 2 12:54:04 2000:

Oh, no no no. This is not singing. It is a dramatic reading of the 
lyrics. I first heard it in 1973; don't know how old it was then. It's 
from an album he did consisting entirely of dramatic readings of popular 
song lyrics. I seem to remember that it also contains "Hey, Mister 
Tambourine Man". <<shudder>>


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