Grex Cinema Conference

Item 35: Grexers go to the Movies!

Entered by mooncat on Fri Sep 24 04:13:08 1999:

68 new of 241 responses total.


#174 of 241 by md on Sat Nov 20 15:16:36 1999:

THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH (C) -- I think that was
the title.  It's the new James Bond movie, with
an increasingly old-looking Pierce Brosnan, whose
Bond will have to start carrying cyanide 
suppositories in a few years, plus Denise Richards
as a nuclear scientist (!), and lots and lots of 
explosions and lethal gadgets.  It's hard to get 
*too* curmudgeonly about such a movie: if you
didn't know what you were getting into when you 
bought the ticket, you need to get out more.  It
had some respectably tense moments, and the FX are
okay.  (This movie is a good litmus test for the
sincerity of your feminist feelings, btw.  The more
it pisses you off, the more sincere you are.)


#175 of 241 by jazz on Sat Nov 20 17:06:50 1999:

        It's also a good litmus test to see if you're an engineer;  the more
improbable bits of the movie seem to you, and that actually bothers you, then
the more you're worthy of the title "engineer". :)

        I didn't think TWinE was really that misogynist, though.  What'd I
miss?


#176 of 241 by md on Sun Nov 21 01:31:57 1999:

(The way Bond manipulated the nurse into clearing
him for active duty almost pissed me off, for
one thing.)

The science struck me as lame throughout.  For 
example, that plutonium rod Reynard was wielding 
like an oversized aluminum basball bat: how much 
would such an object weigh in the real world?


#177 of 241 by jazz on Sun Nov 21 02:06:44 1999:

        (it's sufficiently early into the movie and non-germane to the plot
that it should be safe to discuss)

        Why would it bother you?  I've seen women do the same sorts of things,
in real life, all the time - in fact there are industries based on it.


#178 of 241 by mcnally on Sun Nov 21 04:23:48 1999:

  Being John Malkovich (1999)

  Rating:  Malkovich Malkovich Malkovich Malkovich (out of a possible
           Malkovich Malkovich Malkovich Malkovich Malkovich)

  Review:  Very strange, very funny (if you like absurdist comedy)
           film about, well, being John Malkovich.  Holds together
           surprisingly well given the bizarre premise of the film,
           but some parts work better than others.  Recommended.


#179 of 241 by drew on Sun Nov 21 04:39:32 1999:

The Bond character is finally showing signs of aging? It's about time.


#180 of 241 by senna on Sun Nov 21 07:37:53 1999:

Do you realize what a powerful advertisement it would be to have James 
Bond endorse Viagra?


#181 of 241 by mdw on Sun Nov 21 08:16:32 1999:

I just saw Malkovich.  Malkovich malkovich.  Malkovich malkovich
malkovich.


#182 of 241 by remmers on Mon Nov 22 11:24:22 1999:

I'll Malcovich the recommendations for "Being John Malkovich".  I'll
also state that I didn't realize that Cameron Diaz and Orson Bean --
both of whom I'm familiar with from other movies -- were in the film
until I read the closing credits.  And they both have major roles. 
(Haven't seen Orson Bean for about 150 years.  It's good to know that
he's still around.)


#183 of 241 by remmers on Mon Nov 22 11:27:35 1999:

By the way, the director of "Being John Malkovich" is listed as Spike
Jonze.  What else has he done?


#184 of 241 by johnnie on Mon Nov 22 11:47:25 1999:

He's directed a bunch of music videos.


#185 of 241 by mcnally on Mon Nov 22 16:58:32 1999:

  Yep, this is his first feature film, so far as I know..

  You can see him acting in "Three Kings", where he plays the 
  ignorant redneck character..


#186 of 241 by omni on Mon Nov 22 19:04:48 1999:

  Orson Bean has been busy being the cranky storekeeper on Dr Quinn, Medicine
Woman. I like has work.


#187 of 241 by tpryan on Mon Nov 22 23:21:05 1999:

        If you only *listen* to Orson Bean, you hear Bilbo Baggins.


#188 of 241 by bdh3 on Tue Nov 23 07:03:08 1999:

Anybody see the Y2K movie (on NBC)?  I saw about 60 seconds total.  One
scene where a large jet airliner lands sideways in about 150 feet on a
runway lit by emergency vehicles ("It worked for Lindburg" was the
line). And another scene where the 'hero' views the core of a nuclear
reactor with zero coolant and tells his daddy about it over a cellphone?
It got about a 10 share I think.  Anybody actually watch the entire
turkey?


#189 of 241 by omni on Tue Nov 23 07:30:16 1999:

  I don't watch dogs. (howl)


#190 of 241 by johnnie on Tue Nov 23 14:19:42 1999:

I'm pretty sure it was supposed to be a comedy.  I saw about the first 
half.  Another howler scene:  Woman in labor, doctors and nurses huddled 
around the fetal monitor, ready to do an emergency C-section 'cuz the 
monitor indicated dire fetal distress.  Turns out that the monitor was 
made in New York (scene took place in Seattle), and so, since it had 
already turned midnight in NY, the monitor was suffering from Y2K and 
the fetus was not really in danger.  ("Maybe the monitor is having a Y2K 
problem?"  "Impossible; it's not midnight yet!"  "Wait! Where was the 
monitor manufactured?")  Problem:  when discussing the baby's 
heartbeat, camera focused several times on the monitor showing a fetal 
heartbeat of 125 or so, which is worlds away from fetal distress.

The local (Grand Rapids) NBC station ran a disclaimer at the return from 
each commercial break saying, "This movie is presented by NBC for 
entertainment purposes.  WOOD-TV8 is not responsible for it's content." 


#191 of 241 by mcnally on Tue Nov 23 17:15:04 1999:

  Wired News had a bit panning the movie which mentioned the interesting
  factoid that apparently the "Edison Electric Institute" and "Independent
  Community Bankers of America", presumably industry organizations 
  representing the power and banking industries, both appealed to NBC
  affiliates to schedule alternative programming.  (They must have been
  concerned that the movie's ultra-realism would spark paniced rioting..)


#192 of 241 by gull on Tue Nov 23 21:16:13 1999:

I figured it'd  be similar to their other made-for-TV movies, such as
"Earthquake in New York."  (Short plot summary; an earthquake hits New York,
causing a tragic outbreak of bad acting.)


#193 of 241 by mary on Wed Dec 1 21:08:31 1999:

"Felicia's Journey" is a brilliantly written, directed and acted film
which lends an intimate view of the damage left from a childhood
gone terribly wrong.  Bob Hoskins puts in the performance of the year.
Highly recommended.  



#194 of 241 by richard on Wed Dec 1 23:20:56 1999:

note-- felicia's journey was I believe directed by Atom Egoyan, who
directed the Sweet Hereafter


#195 of 241 by scott on Wed Dec 1 23:50:29 1999:

Rented "Office Space" over the holiday weekend.  Very funny, good take on
current computer cubicle hell jobs.  Much funnier than the commercials for
it promised.


Also went and saw "Sleepy Hollow", the new Tim Burton movie.  Good, gory,
stylish, but don't expect an airtight plot.


#196 of 241 by remmers on Thu Dec 2 01:53:32 1999:

Re resp:194 - Yes, "Felicia's Journey" is an Atom Egoyan film, and
displays the same visual flair as "Sweet Hereafter".  I agree with Mary
about Bob Hoskins' performance.  Try to catch this one in a theater; the
creative use of the wide screen to tell a story would be largely lost on
TV.


#197 of 241 by bmoran on Thu Dec 2 14:30:31 1999:

Saw Toy Story 2 Sunday night. Very good, I think it's a bit better than
the first one. Pat (now 8) sorta liked it, and cracked up over a few
parts. If you're worried about going by yourself, borrow a few kids and
have a good time.


#198 of 241 by drewmike on Fri Dec 3 03:34:19 1999:

My quick take on "Toy Story 2": While the first film was a revolution, this
one really only manages to be an evolution. But that's okay. In the last five
years, Lasseter & Co. have gotten a lot better at what they do. Buster the
Dog, for example, would have been unimaginable not too long ago. It's also
heartening to see that the story wasn't neglected in the mad dash for the
toys. (They certainly could have gotten away with paying it much less
attention. Just ask DreamWorks SKG.) And longtime followers of Pixar's work
will appreciate the nods to the other films in their canon--from the pairing
of the feature with their first short, "Luxo, Jr.", to the flashes of other
Pixar films when the characters channel surf, right down to the inclusion of
Geri as a toy rehabilitator. (I guess he plays chess on the weekends.)
 
On the downside, "Toy Story 2" was originally intended to be
straight-to-video, but was lengthened to be a feature. *Very* occasionally,
it feels it. And am I the only contemporary filmgoer who lacks the Randy
Newman Appreciation Gene? (Hey, Rand. I may not know where the line between
"signature style" and "self parody" is, but you done passed that thing a long
while ago.)
 
I give it... I don't know. An A-minus. 
(Yeah, I know that wasn't exactly "quick".)


#199 of 241 by mcnally on Fri Dec 3 05:43:34 1999:

  You're definitely *not* the only one who's genetically unable to
  appreciate Randy Newman.

  Lasseter's feature-length films have been the best computer-generated
  animated films so far but I had more admiration for his short films --
  the level of amazement they create is possibly just too much to sustain
  througout a feature-length piece..  In my opinion his great genius
  is the ability to imbue inanimate objects with human attributes and
  feeling in what seems like a totally natural way.

  The Lasseter work which impresses me most to this day is "Luxo, Jr." --
  I could go through it frame by frame and still never understand how he
  manages to give emotins and expressions to a pair of swing arm lamps
  which are without any face or other human features.  (I'm similarly
  fascinated by the amount of expression Nick Parks can give to claymation
  figures without mouths, but Lasseter is the master..)




#200 of 241 by gull on Fri Dec 3 15:25:57 1999:

I've loved "Luxo, Jr." ever since I saw it running as a short on
Nickelodeon.  (This was back before they started running commercials, as
hard as that may be for some to imagine...)


#201 of 241 by flem on Fri Dec 3 17:24:07 1999:

_End of Days_:  B.  Not a bad flick, all told, so long as your 
expectations are low.  Just remember:  Arnold Schwartzenneger plays a 
role in it.  That should put it in the proper context:  comedy without 
meaning to be.  :)  I don't remember making that many snide comments at 
a movie, or laughing so hard at them, in a long time.  :)  
  One particularly interesting point is that the guy who plays the 
devil, the spelling of whose name I can't remember, was in _Stigmata_ as 
essentially the opposite character.  Very similar plots, similar kinds 
of imagery (at least on the surface), but in this one he's the good guy 
protecting the innocent female victim.  IMO, Stigmata was by far the 
better movie.  It would make an interesting movie night someday to get 
both of them and watch them back-to-back for comparison.  


#202 of 241 by mcnally on Fri Dec 3 22:53:51 1999:

  (I think you're talking about Gabriel Byrne..)

  "IMO, Stigmata was, by far, the better movie.."  Now *there's* something
  you don't hear every day.


#203 of 241 by flem on Sat Dec 4 00:24:20 1999:

Well, I suppose...   I liked it, though, probably better than most people
would, but still.  :)


#204 of 241 by mary on Sat Dec 4 10:44:49 1999:

I've had a sweet spot for Schwartzenneger ever since "Conan the
Barbarian".  I love that movie.  So I'll probably see "End of Days"
before it's off the big screens.


#205 of 241 by scott on Sat Dec 4 12:52:41 1999:

Dammit, when is "Sixth Sense" going to drop to Fox Theater?  


#206 of 241 by mcnally on Sat Dec 4 14:45:43 1999:

  good question..  I've been wondering much the same thing..


#207 of 241 by richard on Sat Dec 4 23:02:31 1999:

"LIBERTY HEIGHTS"-- This is the fourth, and supposedly final, 
installment in director Barry Levinson's acclaimed "Baltimore" series, 
depicting life in Baltimore in the 1950's.  The others, all great films, 
were TIN MEN, DINER, and AVALON.  This one is just as good.  

It tells the story of a jewish nightclub owner, played by Joe Montegna, 
who has to reconcile his occupation with the normal, religiously 
grounded life he wants to provide his wife (played by Bebe Neuwirth of 
Cheers) and sons.  They live in the jewish community of Liberty Heights.

The film explores the racial and class issues that people of that era 
lived with and dealt with daily.  It is told through the eyes of 
Montegna's youngest son, who is starting to understand how different the 
outside world is from his protected, all-jewish society of Liberty 
Heights.  

Levinson (who also directed "Rain Man") is one of the best directors 
working today and this series of films represents a deeply heartfelt 
tribute to his childhood in Baltimore.  If you loved Avalon or Diner or 
Tin Men, you will love this film.  It is a proper and just conclusion to 
the series.  

LIBERTY HEIGHTS **** (FOUR STARS-- ONE OF BEST FILMS OF THE YEAR)


#208 of 241 by drewmike on Sat Dec 4 23:03:59 1999:

(Total drift: I'm pretty sure "Luxo Jr." came out in 1986, and Nickelodeon
started running ads two years before.)


#209 of 241 by gull on Sun Dec 5 01:49:19 1999:

Hmm.  Maybe my memory's faulty, then, but I'm almost sure I originally saw
that short on Nickelodeon.


#210 of 241 by drewmike on Sun Dec 5 03:28:10 1999:

I'm not saying you didn't... but ads were on their way earlier.


#211 of 241 by omni on Sun Dec 5 06:18:57 1999:

  re 307- Sounds like a great film which probably guarantees that Levinson
will again be ignored at the Oscars again. I've always loved his work. The
first one of his movies I saw was "Diner" back when it first came out and I
thought it was boring, but what does a 21 year old know from film? It wasn't
until I came across Tin Men and Avalon that I truly became a fan of his
movies. Now I don't miss anything he directs.

  Movies seen recently (from cable)

   "I Still Know What (your breasts) you did last summer"-
    Class A stinker. I don't know why they bothered, except to give JLH more
exposure, and to try to make her into an actress. 

   "Hud" - 4 star movie from the 60's with Paul Newman as an amoral man in
conflict with his father (Melvyn Douglas). A performances all around. I really
didn't like seeing Newman in this role, but he did well just the same.

  I'm looking forward to seeing "The Sea Wolf" with Edward G. Robinson. I saw
the version with Chris Reeve and Charles Bronson, and it was great. I just
know that Robinson is going to knock it out of the park. I'm also looking
forward to seeing Gone With The Wind in one uncut piece and not chopped to
little bits like it had been presented on Ch 7 a few years ago. That should
be a real treat.


#212 of 241 by tpryan on Sun Dec 5 20:17:20 1999:

        Wasn't Gone With the Wind cut into two parts for release at the 
theatures to have an intermission?
        I need to watch my DVD of it when I find the 4 hour evening to
do it.


#213 of 241 by omni on Mon Dec 6 09:01:39 1999:

  Yup. I never liked or supported cutting movies for intermissions.


#214 of 241 by sno on Mon Dec 6 18:47:53 1999:

Some people have to pee more often than others, especially after coffee.



#215 of 241 by gull on Mon Dec 6 22:30:08 1999:

Or a large Coke.


#216 of 241 by md on Mon Dec 6 23:54:00 1999:

Recent rentals starring Catherine Zeta-Jones:

ENTRAPMENT (B+) - I was pleasantly surprised.
The action sequences were excellent -- some
real nail-biter scenes.  Zeta-Jones and Sean
Connery are not a matched set, however, which
dragged the movie down whenever one of them
wasn't being shot at or dangling over an abyss.

THE HAUNTING (C-) - Boring, silly, unscary.  The
house was really, really cool, however.


#217 of 241 by md on Mon Dec 6 23:59:49 1999:

London tabloids are reporting that Jennifer
Lopez has insured her body for $1,000,000,000
(one billion dollars).  "$500,000,000 per
cheek," as the N.Y. Post observed.  That is
one insurance policy I would love to see.


#218 of 241 by bruin on Tue Dec 7 00:16:14 1999:

BTW, I do believe that in England, the insured value of Jennifer Lopez's body
would be "one thousand million dollars," and a "billion" would be "one million
million."


#219 of 241 by mcnally on Tue Dec 7 01:29:04 1999:

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#220 of 241 by mcnally on Tue Dec 7 01:29:38 1999:

  I bet her premiums cost an arm and a leg..


#221 of 241 by goroke on Tue Dec 7 13:24:37 1999:

I just caught the remake of "Psycho" on cable the other night.  What a
complete waste of film stock.


#222 of 241 by remmers on Tue Dec 7 15:59:01 1999:

After watching the "Psycho" remake, my question was "Why?"  The fact
that talented people were involved made the existence of this movie all
the more puzzling.


#223 of 241 by mcnally on Tue Dec 7 16:59:27 1999:

  We're living in the 90's (for another three weeks, anyway..)
  The studios are required to produce at least one high-profile
  remake for every new idea they produce..  You don't think 
  anyone *wanted* to produce a version of Diabolique with Sharon
  Stone instead of Simone Signoret, do you?

  As far as "Psycho" goes, though, I chalk it up to the Gus van Sant
  factor.  I've met people who have claimed to enjoy his films but
  they're obviously seeing different versions of them than I am..


#224 of 241 by richard on Tue Dec 7 17:26:11 1999:

The cool thing to do with Psycho is to rent the DVD of the original film 
and the videotape of the remake, and play both at the same time, so you 
can jump back and forth.  Since the sequel is a scene for scene, shot 
for shot remake, watching both at the same time is really eerie.


#225 of 241 by goose on Tue Dec 7 20:45:38 1999:

Again, this begs the question: Why?

(of course my stock answer is that Hollywood has no original ideas left
and resorts to remakes to keep the myth floating)


#226 of 241 by goroke on Tue Dec 7 21:22:06 1999:

Yeah, Van Sant did a carbon copy of the Hitchcock masterpiece, but lost all
the wit and humor.  Hitchcock's "Psycho" is actually a wickedly funny film.


#227 of 241 by drewmike on Wed Dec 8 14:48:34 1999:

This summer, I was briefly parked in Van Sant's space at the Universal lot.
Apparently, *that's* an exact duplicate of Hitchcock's, too.


#228 of 241 by remmers on Wed Dec 8 22:28:42 1999:

Except for "Psycho", I've mostly liked the Van Sant films I've seen:
"My Private Idaho", "To Die For", "Good Will Hunting".


#229 of 241 by mcnally on Wed Dec 8 23:13:06 1999:

  I turned off "To Die For" about 2/3 of the way through, after waiting
  in vain for it to go somewhere or start developing a point (that is,
  a point other than "Look!  Nicole Kidman!")

  "Drugstore Cowboy" didn't do much for me, either (except for the sndtrk.)

  And must I really dredge up "Even Cowgirls Get the Blues"?


#230 of 241 by omni on Thu Dec 9 09:37:37 1999:

  The Seven Samurai is being shown on TCM at 7:30pm Dec 9. I strongly suggest
taping it, or watching it. I think it just might get the bad taste of that
terrible Psyco out of your mouth. It IS 4 hours long so be prepared for that
as well.


#231 of 241 by omni on Fri Dec 10 18:05:03 1999:

  I made a mistak. It was on at 10:30pm. 



#232 of 241 by remmers on Sun Dec 12 23:31:55 1999:

Yes, with "The Magnificent Seven" (Hollywood version of "Seven Samurai")
on just before.


#233 of 241 by omni on Mon Dec 13 11:13:35 1999:

  I have also got wind that both the silent and the 1959 versions of Ben-Hur
will be shown as well as Gone With The Wind. Uncut. In one piece. I'm not sure
I'm worthy of such good programming. ;)


#234 of 241 by richard on Sat Dec 18 21:50:56 1999:

I got myself an early christmas present yesterday-- the new Criterion
Collection DVD of Jean Renoir's classic "La Grande Illusion" (which
actually translates into 'the Great Illusion', but everyone calls it
'Grand Illusion'.  This is widely regarded as one of the greatest movies
ever made-- a story of people trying to maintain their humanity and decency
while caught up in the chaos of World War I.  Renoir was the son of the
famous artist of the same name and became France's greatest film director 
The DVD has a clip of Renoir introducing the film, saying that it summed
up his hopes for the world, and what he felt was the most dangerous threat
to our futures, the gradual loss of humanity in the modern world.

The film details the travails of prisoners of war in a german prison camp,
how they cope with being in prison, without losing their basic essential
decency.  This DVD is the new uncut digitally remastered version made
directly from the original negative.  Hitler's cronies saw the film as
propoganda and attempted to destroy all copies.  For years until recently,
there were no uncut copies and scenes were missing.  But, miraculously,
the original negative was smuggled out of Nazi occuppied France during
World War II by an american captain, and with the wonders of modern
technology this one of the greatest of all films has been beautifully
restored.  One of the extras on the DVD is the story of Criterion's
restoration process, comparing chopped up and missing scenes from previous
issues with the uncut digital version offered here.

This also has the 1937 radio broadcast of Renoir accepting the 1937
Academy Award for Best Foriegn Film, and a radio interview with great
German director Eric Von Stroheim, who plays the German prison camp
commander here.  And of course the trailer for the film and a whole bunch
of other stuff (the Criterion DVD's are loaded with more extras than most)

Suffice it to say that being able to own this DVD of "Grand Illusion" is
by itself worth the price of buying a DVD player.  It is one of the prizes
of my movie collection.  

GRAND ILLUSION (***** five stars, masterpiece...DVD version 5+ stars!)



#235 of 241 by remmers on Sun Dec 19 13:00:23 1999:

I am somewhat less than patiently for the restored "Grand Illusion"
to make its way to an Ann Arbor theater.


#236 of 241 by remmers on Sun Dec 19 13:16:53 1999:

(Make that "I am waiting somewhat less than patiently...")


#237 of 241 by richard on Sun Dec 19 22:27:58 1999:

Criterion released the restored version in theaters back in august because 
the early reviews of the new dvd were raves.  Since the DVD is now out, 
I think the theatrical run is probably done.  French films with english
subtitles from the 30's arent the sort to have long theater runs.

They are now working on restoring Renoir's other classic, "Rules of the
Game"...I cant wait


#238 of 241 by mrmat on Mon Dec 20 00:43:52 1999:

Actor Desmond Llewellyn (sp?) who played the character Q in the James Bond
series was killed in a trafic accident today. He was 85. A sad loss.


#239 of 241 by remmers on Mon Dec 20 13:02:40 1999:

Re resp:237 - On the other hand, Ann Arbor has a theater (the Michigan)
which commonly does short runs of foreign films and restorations, so
I'm puzzled why they haven't shown "Grand Illusion". Perhaps I should
ask them.


#240 of 241 by mcnally on Mon Dec 20 16:00:37 1999:

  Maybe they figure that the last lingering shards of the Cinema Guild
  hold a monopoly on campus-area showings of Renoir's films..


#241 of 241 by goat on Tue Dec 21 16:57:23 1999:

Grand Illusion played out here at the DIA last November.  I was in awe.  it
was well worth the wait.  i recommend it to all the film watchers out there


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