Grex Cinema Conference

Item 27: Grex Goes To the Movies!!

Entered by richard on Sun Mar 21 20:35:51 1999:

39 new of 292 responses total.


#254 of 292 by otter on Sun Jun 6 17:53:54 1999:

OK,OK. Rented _Mask of Zorro_. Fun in a comic book sort of way, and
Bandaras <sp> didn't stink it up too much.
Rented _Very Bad Things_. A skewed little story told very well. You don't
realize who the story is actually about until the last scene. Recommended.


#255 of 292 by aruba on Mon Jun 7 16:03:42 1999:

Cinerama Holiday
----------------

Last Saturday (May 29th) Carol and I drove to the only Cinerama theater in 
America - the New Neon Movie Theater in Dayton, Ohio.

Cinerama was a movie format created in the early 1950s, and is usually 
described these days as a precursor to Imax.  A Cinerama camera contained 3 
rolls of film, one pointed straight ahead, one to the left, and one to the 
right.  Together they could see 146 degrees of a scene.  The sound system had 
6 channels. 

To display a Cinerama movie, therefore, a theater needs three projectors which 
are somehow linked together so they stay in sync, a curved screen, and at 
least 6 speakers.  There are apparently only two such theaters in the world - 
one in England and one in Dayton.

Only a few movies were filmed in Cinerama.  The first was called "This is 
Cinerama", which began with a view from a roller coaster, and consisted of a 
lot of disjointed scenes designed to show off the medium.  I think the most 
famous Cinerama movie was "How the West Was Won" with Gregory Peck, Henry 
Fonda, and Jimmy Stewart. 

The screen manages to just about fill up your peripheral vision, which means 
the movie does a remarkably good job of making you feel like you're really 
there.  That was the idea - the creator of Cinerama had previously designed a 
simulator for gunners in the air force during the war, using (I think) 6 
projectors to make them feel like they were really in battle.

Cinerama also has one huge advantage over Imax.  Last I heard, Imax cameras 
were still so loud that it was impossible to record sound and film at the same 
time, so all Imax movies have the sound dubbed in afterward.  Not so with 
Cinerama, which makes it possible to film dance numbers and all manner of 
musical shows which you couldn't possibly dub. 

After "This is Cinerama", the producers of Cinerama polled viewers to find out 
what kinds of things they'd like to see filmed in Cinerama.  A large number of 
people said they'd like to see film of real and interesting places they could 
travel to vicariously. Thus the second Cinerama movie, "Cinerama Holiday", 
made in 1954. 

The print being shown at the New Neon is the *only* print of "Cinerama 
Holiday" left, and it is much deteriorated. Almost all its blues and yellows 
are gone; what's left is "vibrant pink-and-white." However, it is still sharp 
and clear, and the sound quality is excellent. 

"Cinerama Holiday" opens with a young couple from Switzerland (Beatrice and 
Fred Troller) arriving in St. Louis, Missouri, where they meet a hometown 
couple (John and Betty Marsh).  The couples are real people, not actors.  The 
filmmakers interviewed a lot of people before selecting them. They are young, 
good-looking, fun-loving types. John and Betty take the same plane back to 
Zurich (they are impressed that it only takes 18 hours to get there).  
Beatrice and Fred then travel through the U.S. while the Marshes visit 
Switzerland and France. 

Beatrice and Fred have definite ideas about what they want to see in
America, and they want to see as much as possible. Fred's motor-scooter is
lifted out of the plane and they head for the Wild West. First they stop
off in Las Vegas for some gambling, floor shows, and lots of glittering
lights. They are intrigued, because they say there is nothing like the
one-armed bandit in Switzerland. Their trip across the West takes them
zipping over rocky, deserty terrain on the motor-scooter, where they meet
some "real Red Indians" -- full-blood Apaches who are also prosperous
ranchers with names like Gus and Clarence. They finish their Western trip
in comfort, watching the scenery go by from the Vista-Dome of the
California Zephyr.

In San Francisco the Trollers visit a folk club called The Tin Angel.  On 
stage are Odetta, who went on to a career as a famous folk singer, and a lanky 
23-year old from Michigan named Larry Mohr.  The next year Larry would marry 
Jean Latimer (who can be seen in the front row in the scene at the club) and 
in December, 1955 (while Larry was in the army, stationed in France) they 
would have a daughter named Carol.  Later he would go on to very successful 
career as a Political Science professor at the University of Michigan.

Music is also the main event of their stay in New Orleans. Ardent jazz fans, 
they want to see the place where jazz was born. They visit an African American 
church service, and observe a funeral procession in which mourners and 
musicians walk solemnly from the cemetary through the streets. When the Saints 
Go Marching In takes on a stately, sad quality not usually associated with 
that tune. The New Orleans visit winds up with some hot jazz in a small club. 

In stunning contrast to the more exotic locations they traveled to, the 
Trollers go next to New England and a small-town harvest fair in Deerfield, 
New Hampshire, complete with livestock, hayride, and a Ferris wheel. (It seems 
a Cinerama camera is pretty portable, because the audience is treated to the 
view from a Ferris wheel seat--up and over we go!) You can almost smell the 
cider and the crushed autumn leaves underfoot. And they get a taste of 
American collegiate life at Dartmouth College, listening to the Men of 
Dartmouth singing traditional glee club choruses.

The choices the filmmakers made are intriguing, I think.  The movie really is 
an interesting look at some of the things that were going on in America in the 
early 1950s.  For all its extraordinary aspects, it also gives a real taste 
of what ordinary life was like at that time--the clothes, the cars, the ways 
of speaking, the look of the cities. Because of the way the medium was hyped, 
I was expecting more glamor and more showing off. I'm glad they didn't just go 
for cheap thrills. 

Meanwhile in Switzerland, the Marshes have chosen to sit back and let Cinerama 
plan their vacation. It begins in St. Moritz, where John tries out the bobsled 
run. This is almost the only gratuitous Cinerama "thrill" scene in the whole 
film, and worth every penny, as the sled whizzes down the long course at hair-
raising speed, down steep hills and around tight, high banked turns. For a 
tamer form of entertainment, the Marshes enjoy an outdoor performance of 
Holiday on Ice. (Figure skating sure has come a long way since the 1950s--no 
fast spins or overhead lifts, and very few jumps.) 

Then there's a lot of skiing, which (apparently) wouldn't have been complete 
without shots of ski-jumpers flying over the camera. This is followed by 
apres-ski featuring traditional Swiss fondue dinner and singalong.  (The 
recipe for the fondue is in the program.) 

After that it's on to Paris.  The experience of riding in a taxicab was never 
filmed quite like this, I think - it rivals the bobsled scene for excitement.
Art Buchwald, then a correspondent for the Paris Herald-Tribune, makes a cameo 
appearance, long enough to tell the Marshes that if they don't enjoy Paris 
it's their own fault.

They visit the Arc de Triomphe, Notre Dame, the Louvre, a private fashion 
show by a famous coutourier (not named) in a private home, and a show at 
L'Opera de Paris.  Betty, after a long day, wants to go to bed, whereupon John 
leaves her (she's a bit huffy) to spend the night carousing with his old Navy 
buddies who are stationed in Paris.  They see a spectacular Can-Can show. 

There are some lower-key scenes in Paris, too.  The Marshes visit the graves 
of Napoleon and General Foch, and watch a very entertaining puppet show of 
Little Red Riding Hood.  You can see and hear the audience of children as they 
are watching the show, and that makes it a lot of fun.  They also get to visit 
a French home, and talk about the changes the war has made in France.  It 
really is like being taken on a tour by interesting hosts. 

At the end the two couples meet back in New York (John and Betty take the 
Queen Mary, which is a sight to behold in Cinerama).  Then they watch Cinerama 
film of planes landing on an aircraft carrier.  This is a bit gratuitous, 
but the Trollers had asked about it at the beginning of a trip.  We're told 
that the pilot whose jet we're in is making his first ever landing on a 
carrier, and that makes the experience a little scarier.

The experience of watching the movie was enhanced a lot by the fact that the 
operators of the theater in Dayton really take themselves seriously as
torchbearers for Cinerama.  The owner and camera operator came out and talked 
to the audience a couple of times before the show, and showed a video of an 
interview with Fred Troller, made a few years ago, where he recalled the 
making of the movie.  (He remembered Larry and Odetta, too.)  We also saw a 
short film (without sound) made recently in Cinerama by some Australians - it 
was the first time anyone in America had seen it (John the owner wasn't even 
sure if he'd threaded the film in upside down or not until it appeared 
correctly on the screen).  The newsletter of the Cinerama Appreciation Society 
is also available in the lobby.  The current issue includes pictures of John & 
Betty Marsh and Leonard Maltin at a special gala showing in Dayton in 1997. 

The center projector is not enclosed in a booth - instead you can stand in the 
lobby and see the whole thing.  It's huge, and so are the rolls of film.

All in all the whole experience was a lot of fun.  I encourage anyone who's 
interested to make the trip to Dayton (it's about 3.5 hours from Ann Arbor) to 
see a show.  Info on upcoming attractions can be found at:

  http://http://www.neonmovies.com/cinerama.html


#256 of 292 by omni on Mon Jun 7 16:45:11 1999:

 Mark, there is one minor nit.

  Well, two.

   There is a third theatre, Located in Los Angeles called The Cinerama Dome
or some such. And there is one more movie, It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World
which was also filmed in Cinerama.

   I agree Cinerama should make a comeback.


#257 of 292 by aruba on Mon Jun 7 20:03:40 1999:

My understanding from the CPS newsletter is that the Los Angeles theater,
while built for Cinerama, doesn't currently have Cinerama projectors
installed, though they're working on it and hope to be able to show Cinerama
movies by summer of 2000.  There's also a theater in Seattle, bought and
restored by Paul Allen, which hopes to get Cinerama equipment next year.


#258 of 292 by aruba on Mon Jun 7 21:13:33 1999:

The IMDB lists 10 movies filmed in Cinerama and one in Super-Cinerama:

Best of Cinerama (1962) 
Cinerama Holiday (1955) 
How the West Was Won (1962) 
Lafayette (1961) 
Padrone delle ferriere, Il (1959) 
Scent of Mystery (1960) (Super-Cinerama)
Search for Paradise (1957) 
Seven Wonders of the World (1956) 
South Seas Adventure (1958) 
This Is Cinerama (1952) 
Wonderful World of the Brothers Grimm, The (1962) 

(see http://us.imdb.com/SearchTechnical?Cinerama)

"It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World" is listed as being filmed in "Ultra 
Panavision 70 (anamorphic)", though one of the "printed film formats" is "70 
mm (Super-Cinerama)".  Maybe that means prints of the film existed which could 
be shown with 3 Cinerama projectors?  I don't know.  I don't even know if 
Super-Cinerama used the same 3-projector format as Cinerama.  There are 14 
other movies tagged as having Super-Cinerama prints; here's the list: 

2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) 
Battle of the Bulge (1965) 
Circus World (1964) 
Custer of the West (1967) 
Golden Head, The (1965) 
Grand Prix (1966) 
Greatest Story Ever Told, The (1965) 
Hallelujah Trail, The (1965) 
Ice Station Zebra (1968) 
It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World (1963) 
Khartoum (1966) 
Krakatoa, East of Java (1969) 
Last Valley, The (1970) 
Song of Norway (1970) 

It sure would be spectacular to see some of those in Cinerama...


#259 of 292 by md on Tue Jun 8 16:01:29 1999:

NOTTING HILL (A-) -- An old-fashioned romantic comedy.
Julia Roberts is very touching, despite some corny lines 
she has to recite.  I've heard her say that she just stood
there and made herself do it as best she could.  It worked.
Hugh Grant I can take or leave, but he's well-cast in this
movie.  The Welsh actor who plays Grant's "flatmate"
is hilarious.  Gina McKee, who plays the part of Grant's
wheelchair-bound best friend, has one of those faces
that looks maddeningly familiar.  I don't think I've seen her
in anything else -- it must be she reminds me of someone.
She's a cross between Joely Fisher and Marisa Tomei,
if you can imagine that.  Mostly Joely Fisher.


#260 of 292 by scg on Tue Jun 8 16:17:35 1999:

I thought Notting Hill was hillarious, and also really liked it because a few
of the locations it was shot in are places I know fairly well, and like a lot.
Hampstead Heath, where Hugh Grant showed up to see Julia Roberts acting in
a movie, and where I think some of the final park scenes ma also have been
shot, is a few blocks from a house where I spent a month several years ago
and is fairly close to where my parents live now.  I haven't been to Notting
Hill, but it looks similar enough to some other parts of London where I have
been, and my parents were commenting that a friend of theirs who lives near
Notting Hill kept seeing scenes from the movie being filmed while walking to
the Underground.


#261 of 292 by remmers on Tue Jun 8 18:40:55 1999:

Re the Cinerama discussion: Super-Cinerama was a projection format
that used a single projector and a curved screen (not as deeply
curved as the original 3-strip Cinerama screen, however). Unlike
3-strip Cinerama, it was not a photographic process per se. The
films exhibited in Super-Cinerama were actually made in some other
wide screen process -- such as Super Panavision or Ultra Panavision --
and reformatted to fit the Super-Cinerama screen shape.

I'm glad to hear that the Neon Theater in Dayton is still showing
Cinerama. Had hoped to make it down there a couple of years ago when
they opened and showed "How the West Was Won", but never got around
to it.


#262 of 292 by aruba on Tue Jun 8 18:47:27 1999:

Thanks for that Info, John, I thought that might be the case, since none of
those Super-Cinerama movies were mentioned in the newsletter.


#263 of 292 by maeve on Wed Jun 9 14:14:10 1999:

Notting Hill was rather weak in dialogue, but Bella (the hauntingly 
familiar one) is amazingly beautiful..

it was cute, and mostly forgettable..decent costumes at times


#264 of 292 by md on Wed Jun 9 20:35:42 1999:

Bella!  I couldn't take my eyes off her when she
was on screen, even when Julia was in the shot.
She has a future, that one.


#265 of 292 by gregb on Thu Jun 10 04:37:25 1999:

Yet one more Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace review:

Like most everyone else it seems, I would have to rate this movie 
as "Good."  The plot was thin, but I understand why.  The characters 
were under-developed, which I don't understand why.  And the effects 
were good, but not revolusionary.  And as for Jar Jar...I haven't made 
up my mind about him yet.  He's definitely annoying at times, but has a 
lovable quality about him.

Things I noticed:  It's been mentioned how Jar Jar's voice has a 
Jamacan accent to it, which I noticed.  Did you also notice that the 
voices of the Trade Federation reps had oriental influences, both in 
voice and costume, at least I thought so.  And Watto's sounded rather 
Russian.  I'm just wondering why Lucus did this.  Now about the Battle 
droids:  Were these the most pathetic pieces of scrap metal you've ever 
seen?  Take away their guns and they're useless.  It's a good thing 
there were so many of them cuz they were getting sliced and diced like 
some tossed salad.  The rolling ball droids were much more effective in 
a combat situation.

While I wouldn't want to pay full price to see it again, I'll 
definitely catch it when it comes to the dollar theaters.  And with the 
apparent sharp drop-off in attendees, that might be before Summer's out.


#266 of 292 by scg on Thu Jun 10 04:52:31 1999:

I saw it again last night, in one of the larger theaters at Showcase, and it
wasn't sold out, but it was still pretty full.  I'm not sure there's that much
of a drop off in attendees, compared to other blockbuster movies I've seen
this long after their release.


#267 of 292 by mooncat on Thu Jun 10 12:50:18 1999:

re #265- Someone else pointed out somewhere that there are limitations
to the type of accent possible. <shrugs> also, yeah the droids were 
getting sliced and diced- but they were facing two Jedi. ;) (Even in the
seen with the Gungans - however that's spelled - they weren't doing all
that badly initially...)



#268 of 292 by jazz on Thu Jun 10 16:36:38 1999:

        Besides, they're the bad guy footsoldiers.  Bad guy footsoldiers tend
to die left and right.


#269 of 292 by mooncat on Thu Jun 10 17:22:25 1999:

that's to make the one or two good guys look even more amazing and
like, powerful and stuff. <grins>



#270 of 292 by scg on Thu Jun 10 22:16:52 1999:

All the Gungans had the same type of accent.  Only Jar Jar was presented as
being rather incompentent, and even he managed to be a successful diplomat.
Yes, the slimy Trade Federation people were Japanese, taking orders from a
greedy and slimy Englishman.  I suppose you could argue that they were being
anti-Jewish on the planet with slavery, but other than that, I can poke holes
in most of the racism theories, although having watched it again I can see
where the theories were coming from.


#271 of 292 by anderyn on Fri Jun 11 01:04:38 1999:

ACtually, I thought that the Trade Federation people were Chinese.


#272 of 292 by drewmike on Fri Jun 11 14:36:07 1999:

Rumors are flying that George Lucas is interested in Leonardo DiCaprio 
to play Kind Of Still Young Anakin Skywalker in the next Star Wars.

Wow. Star Wars with Nardo in it? It's like they're trying to 
scientifically engineer a flick with the specific intent of keeping me 
away. All they got to do now is throw in Rosie O'Donnell in a bikini 
singing a Garth Brooks song and it will be compl


#273 of 292 by mooncat on Fri Jun 11 17:31:53 1999:

I liked Leo in "Titanic" and all... but as Anikan?  ewwwwww.....



#274 of 292 by omni on Fri Jun 11 19:33:53 1999:

   Did onyone catch "Touch of Evil" on cable the other nite? I found it to
be an excellent film. Welles and Dietrich were amazing as was Heston. It is
being shown on Encore this month. I highly advise you to tape it.


#275 of 292 by tpryan on Fri Jun 11 21:20:44 1999:

        Had I known DiCaprio was going to die in Titanic, I would have gone
to see it sooner, at the movies.


#276 of 292 by richard on Fri Jun 11 21:21:37 1999:

#272....actually Ive heard Anakin is going tobe played in the next two
movies by Rick Schroeder (of NYPD Blue)...not that DiCaprio would be
bad.


#277 of 292 by senna on Fri Jun 11 21:50:27 1999:

both of those old rumors have been succeeded in the past weeks.


#278 of 292 by hhsrat on Sat Jun 12 01:58:33 1999:

I saw "Austin Powers - The Spy who Shagged Me" tonight.  I haven't 
laughed so hard in quite a while.  (except when listening to the Capitol 
Steps, but that's another story)  Some of the old jokes from the first 
Austin Powers movie are back, but they're still funny, such as the bad 
guy who has a bad accident but lives through it.  There was also some 
new stuff added, such as the "relationship" that led to Dr. Evil's son 
Scott.  Dr. Evil's Mini-Me was also good.  The fight scene was 
HILARIOUS, and there was one other really funny scene that had to do 
with the shape of Dr. Evil's rocketship.

Overall I give this movie an A-


#279 of 292 by jep on Mon Jun 14 16:38:25 1999:

We finally saw "The Phantom Menace" last night.  It's great to be the 
last one to see a hot new movie for the first time, because with little 
effort you can know every line of dialogue and every nuance of the 
entire movie.  I am gifted, though.  I ignored almost all of it, and so 
got to see the movie without reams of instructions as to how to 
interpret it.  I didn't know who "Jar Jar" was.  I didn't know about 
"Darth Mal".

Such was "The Phantom Menace", that I still don't know much of what 
happens in the movie.  It was just not very well put together.  The 
story was bad, the characters were weak, and the connection to the rest 
of the Star Wars movies, as viewed by a casual movie watcher, was pretty 
feeble.  My 8 year old, who has Star Wars Lego sets, and reads about 
Star Wars in kid's magazines, and heard all about the movie from his 
friends over the last 4 weeks, was able to fill me in on some of the 
details which were not present (or clear in some cases) from the movie.

I don't see how anyone could avoid going to see this movie.  I couldn't 
avoid it, not permanently.  You've almost certainly seen it; the odds 
are about equal that you've seen it more than 5 times, versus having not 
seen it at all.  And if you haven't seen it, you're more likely to avoid 
paying taxes this year than avoiding the movie.  I do hope you enjoy it 
more than I did.  I am now pinning my hopes of enjoying a new movie this 
summer on "Wild, Wild West".  Which I will also see after everyone else 
has seen it, I am sure.


#280 of 292 by rcurl on Mon Jun 14 17:45:30 1999:

I expect I'll go see it someday. I've seen all the others.


#281 of 292 by drewmike on Mon Jun 14 17:54:37 1999:

Short Attention Span Review of "Austin Powers 2": They didn't try to cover
new ground, but once they set their sights, they opened the valves full blast.
If I'd directed it I would have trimmed about 7-10 minutes out. 
"Coffee Scene" = no ah ah. But before the opening credits were over, I'd
laughed harder than I had all week, and it just kept on. 


#282 of 292 by aruba on Mon Jun 14 21:04:53 1999:

Yeah, I pretty much agree with drewmike; I enjoyed it a lot and could have
lived without the "coffee scene".


#283 of 292 by scott on Mon Jun 14 21:07:21 1999:

Ah, but the coffee scene was the funniest part (IMHO).


#284 of 292 by hhsrat on Mon Jun 14 22:04:28 1999:

The coffee scene was OK, could have been better.  The "other" coffee tie 
in (the location of Dr. Evil's secret headquarters) was much better.


#285 of 292 by remmers on Tue Jun 15 02:59:22 1999:

Re resp:274 - Didn't see "Touch of Evil" on cable, but I did catch it
when the "director's cut" played at the Michigan Theater last year.
I assume that Encore is showing the same version, which is a distinct
improvement over the film as originally cut and released by the
studio. In either version, it's a great film.


#286 of 292 by omni on Tue Jun 15 06:34:14 1999:

  Fortunatly, it will get several repeats. Encore does things like this, and
it was the director's cut. Lenny Maltin even introduced it.


#287 of 292 by maeve on Tue Jun 15 13:31:49 1999:

Human Traffic-

Don't know if it will be released in the states..
It's brilliant. It's about a group of friends and the club scene in 
Cardiff. Doesn't require *too* much thought, but generally takes you 
through the weekend. One of Alasdair's friends was an extra and 
appeared centre screen for a bit, and I managed to recognise a few 
places from when I visited in January. Highly reccomended


#288 of 292 by aaron on Tue Jun 15 14:07:17 1999:

A Touch of Evil is a cool film, but so dated in so many ways. It is wild,
seeing the use of the "high tech" portable recorder, given the changes in
technology since 1958.


#289 of 292 by remmers on Tue Jun 15 23:10:06 1999:

If you think that's archaic, you should see the telephone answering
machine that Mike Hammer has in "Kiss Me Deadly" (1955).


#290 of 292 by tpryan on Wed Jun 16 03:20:31 1999:

        For some reason, I have a spool or two of recording wire
around here.


#291 of 292 by aaron on Mon Jun 21 03:57:46 1999:

Tarzan - B+ -- By far, Disney's best integration of computer animation with
               hand-drawn art. The story... oh, slightly more faithful to
               the original than "Hunchback." The music? Are you a Phil
               Collins fan? Don't expect any "best song" Oscars for this one.


#292 of 292 by carson on Mon Jun 21 07:15:23 1999:

(it's out already? I really need to relocate from this rock I've
been hiding under.)


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