Grex Cinema Conference

Item 25: Siskel & Ebert & Grex-- the Movie Review item

Entered by richard on Mon Jan 11 23:48:36 1999:

132 new of 165 responses total.


#34 of 165 by remmers on Fri Jan 15 20:57:07 1999:

Nah, "Thelma and Louise" wasn't a chick flick. It was a remake of
either "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid" or "Laurel and Hardy".
Haven't quite figured out which, but I'm leaning toward the latter.
There were several points at which I expected Susan Sarandon to
say "That's another fine mess you've gotten us into" to Geena
Davis.


#35 of 165 by md on Sat Jan 16 14:30:52 1999:

[md narrows eyes and nods slowly]


#36 of 165 by mary on Sat Jan 16 18:58:36 1999:

I think that line is in the film.  Really.  

Chick flicks are feel good films where women can associate
with the characters.  They are filled with females making poor
choices and/or being victimized.  The formula usually includes
a great wardrobe and the woman eventually manipulating it so she
gets to have or dump the man (her choice), lands the job, or dies
like a saint.  Woman love this stuff.

My comment is that sometimes, in the process of becoming a saint
and dumping the guy, cars get blown up. ;-)


#37 of 165 by steve on Sun Jan 17 03:06:09 1999:

   Well, I now have a new phrase in my head.


#38 of 165 by omni on Sun Jan 17 07:04:40 1999:

  Did anyone see Hit and Run on Lifetime? Ugh. formulaic all the way, and
completely brain dead. Whoever made that dog should've been shot. But it was
a good chick flick.


#39 of 165 by mary on Sun Jan 17 12:01:56 1999:

Rented "High Art".  Excellent.  


#40 of 165 by maeve on Mon Jan 18 15:47:18 1999:

no no no no no titanic was a *good* movie.
here's the key. the two main characters are to be avoided and most cost 
(without forgetting to glance at their costumes everyonce and a while). 
Now watch the *rest* of the movie and enjoy the fact that you get to 
see nice archetecture and pretty ships and good reproductions  etc etc.


#41 of 165 by jep on Mon Jan 18 16:31:12 1999:

"A Bug's Life" came to the $2 Clinton Theater, so we went to see it last 
night.  I thought it was kind of boring, really; I've heard it called 
(here or somewhere) "extremely funny" but I didn't think it was more 
than mildly funny.

We watched "Grease" over the weekend.  The most fun part is observing 
the 40-ish actors who are masquerading as high school students.  John 
Travolta was in his late-20's, I believe, when the movie was made, and 
Olivia Newton-John was approaching 40.  The other actors were as old or 
older, or so it seemed as I watched the movie.  We both had a good time.  
David (age 7) watched, too, and was clearly bewildered by a lot -- which 
is all to the good.


#42 of 165 by other on Tue Jan 19 02:15:22 1999:

saw "shakespeare in love" last night.  two theatrical professionals sat
laughing through almost the entire film.  highly enjoyable.  if you know
shakespeare, there's a lot of well-written humor.  if you know show business,
there's a lot more.


#43 of 165 by maeve on Tue Jan 19 16:39:58 1999:

the best bit was not realizing that Tom Stoppard had written it until 
the end..he is the only on who could have come up with the working 
title 'Romeo and Ethel the Pirate's Daughter'


#44 of 165 by other on Wed Jan 20 03:41:09 1999:

dunno about the best bit, but both of us said "aha! that explains it." when
we saw his name as writer.


#45 of 165 by richard on Wed Jan 20 23:24:39 1999:

I liked Thelma and Louise, it was a lot better  than other 
"Men are Scum" genre movies like "First Wives Club" or "Try not
to Breathe

Rented an interesting feminist (though not "Men are Scum") movie last
weekend.  It was called "HIGH ART", and starred Ally Sheedy as a lesbian
heroin addict photographer, who has an affair with a highly insecure but
far less destructive younger female student.  The movie shows Ally Sheedy
as a user not just of heroin but of everything and everyone.  Her
photography is indeed 'High Art' but high art, due to the brilliance it
requires comes at a high price.

"High Art" is a really good movie and Sheedy is great, but I would only
recommend it if you are comfortable with the points of view it takes--
particularly the implication that lesbianism is healthier than
heterosexuality because men cant bond with females as closely as females
can bond with females.  I give "HIGH ART" 3.75 stars and I hope Sheedy
gets a best actress nomination.



#46 of 165 by shf on Wed Jan 20 23:56:12 1999:

"In The Company of Men" a must see before trusting any of your coworkers:)


#47 of 165 by geliebte on Thu Jan 21 03:19:34 1999:

I love Ally Sheedy...  can you give more of a summary of the plot and/or
story line?



#48 of 165 by mary on Thu Jan 21 03:26:35 1999:

I saw the same film but didn't see any of what Richard got out of it.  So
don't go by what others have to say, just see it.  Unless, of course, you
have a problem with nakedness, lesbian sex, self-destructive behavior, and
stuff like that. 



#49 of 165 by mary on Thu Jan 21 03:27:58 1999:

Lest I mislead anyone, I did like the movie a whole lot.


#50 of 165 by scott on Thu Jan 21 12:02:36 1999:

Last night I rented "The Court Jester", starring Danny Kaye.

Great movie, very funny.  A couple of dropped plotlines, but overall very
clever.


#51 of 165 by mcnally on Fri Jan 22 06:42:28 1999:

  I like the old Danny Kaye movies..


#52 of 165 by md on Fri Jan 22 13:06:30 1999:

I *love* old Danny Kaye movies.  One of my first experiences of 
laughing so hard I could hardly breathe, at a movie, was at a
Danny Kaye movie (called Merry Andrew, I think).


#53 of 165 by tpryan on Fri Jan 22 18:31:20 1999:

        I just been listening to old Danny Kaye songs.
The one about the hat designer is wicked.


#54 of 165 by other on Sat Jan 23 03:18:27 1999:

Danny Kaye is probably more personally responsible than any other individual
for the fact that our currency bears the phrase "in god we trust."

fanatic...


#55 of 165 by bmoran on Mon Jan 25 16:40:11 1999:

A few weekends ago, TVO showed City Lights and Modern Times as the
Saturday night double feature. I made Patrick (7) sit and watch City
Lights with me. Wonderful film, 1931, B&W, silent. I read the cards Pat
couldn't. He liked it enough to tell his mom all about it, and they rented
it and watched it again. Vast wasteland, indeed!


#56 of 165 by remmers on Tue Jan 26 22:10:17 1999:

Re resp:54 - Eric, could you elaborate on the Danny Kaye/currency
connection?

"In Dreams" C-  I had hopes for this one. Talented director (Neil Jordan
of "Mona Lisa" and "Crying Game"), good cast (Annette Benning, Robert
Downey Jr). Jordan also wrote it; maybe that's part of the problem.
Despite some atmospheric camera work and slick editing, the thing just
didn't work. Never-believable premise, and in the end it was just
another slasher movie. Skip it.


#57 of 165 by md on Tue Jan 26 22:18:07 1999:

We saw A SIMPLE PLAN (B) over the weekend.  I can't make up
my mind about it.  I thought it was extremely well acted, the
atmosphere was perfect, cool plot twists.  But there was something
missing.  I'd love to read anyone else's reactions to it here.


#58 of 165 by katie on Wed Jan 27 04:57:00 1999:

I saw A Civil Action. I do not understand why everyone thinks it's a
great movie and an Oscar-worthy performance by John Travolta. I don't
even understand why they made a movie about this case. Triple yawner.


#59 of 165 by remmers on Wed Jan 27 11:32:38 1999:

"Simple Plan" is on my list of things to see. Don't believe it's
opened locally yet. (re resp:57)


#60 of 165 by richard on Wed Jan 27 23:17:40 1999:

Another film recommendation-- RUSHMORE:  this a very touching comedy about
a love triangle between a teacher at a posh private high school, one of
her students, and immature 50-year old millionaire philanthropist Bill
Murray.  The relationship between Murray, and the kid, who are basically
emotionally about the same age even though one is 17 and the other is 50,
is really touching.  I really enjoyed it, and Murray is an Oscar contender
this year b/c he's really really good in this.  **** (four stars--
RUSHMORE)  Go see it when it opens in your area.


#61 of 165 by aaron on Thu Jan 28 22:50:59 1999:

Shakespeare In Love: A -- A very funny film. A lot of the humor is meant
to reach a wide audience. Much of the Shakespeare humor is premised upon
the plays you typically read in high school. I was surprised, though, by
how silent much of the audience was during some very funny jokes. In any
event, the movie was *very* well done, and is very much worth seeing.

re #58: I think "A Civil Action" was pretty good, but the only Oscar-worthy
        performance I saw was by Robert Duvall. I am a bit lost as to why
        they made the movie, as well -- it is based upon a true story
        (adapted for the screen from a non-fiction book by the same name),
        and it isn't very "Hollywood." (Save, that is, for the big name
        stars.)


#62 of 165 by anderyn on Fri Jan 29 00:31:45 1999:

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#63 of 165 by krj on Fri Jan 29 04:12:22 1999:

Michigan Theatre films upcoming, from the Observer:
 
The Michigan is running a HISTORY OF CINEMA series on Mondays at 4:10
pm.  February 1 is Jean Renoir's RULES OF THE GAME (1939), often a 
contender when critics make lists of the best films ever made.
It's a personal favorite; I've seen it about half a dozen times, 
and I recommend it highly.  The story revolves around the amorous 
affairs of a group of French aristocrats and their servants during 
a country vacation.
 
Feb. 8 is THE BICYCLE THIEF, one of those famous films I've never 
seen.  Later in the month (not part of the Monday series) is a 
minor Renoir film which I have never seen, THE SOUTHERNER, from 
his American period.


#64 of 165 by other on Sat Jan 30 07:02:39 1999:

re #61  you obviously weren't in the theatre when i asw shakespeare in love.


#65 of 165 by senna on Sat Jan 30 09:37:47 1999:

Or me.  Now that I think about it, when I saw it, our group of five was making
a large majority of the noise in there.  Odd how that works.  I enjoy getting
jokes that other people don't, though.


#66 of 165 by md on Sun Jan 31 11:01:21 1999:

LITTLE VOICE (C+) - A good movie almost ruined by Brenda Blethyn (sp)
who spends the entire movie swallowing chunks of scenery without
even chewing them first.  She made it almost unwatchable.  You
wanted to say, "The character is *developed.*  I *get* it, already.
You can *stop* now."  Jane Horrocks is very touching as LV.  Who'd've
thought that Bubble would be the first character on AbFab to get
famous?  It's like Woody Harrelson and Cheers.  Never would've picked
him.  Something better could've been done with Horrocks' mimicry 
skills.

SHE'S ALL THAT (A-) - Another highscoolers-coming-of-age-in-California
movie.  Cross it off your list if you want something deep and 
"resonant."  If you accept it on those terms, it's quite good.  The 
theater was filled with younger people who laughed, cheered,
applauded, and generally loved the movie to pieces.  


#67 of 165 by eieio on Sun Jan 31 16:14:44 1999:

In England, Jane Horrocks' star has been rising for a while now. She's been
in a series of supermarket ads, with Prunella Scales (Cybill from "Fawlty
Towers") as her mother. She also did a TV special highlighting a bunch of her
characters and impressions, called "Little Shop of Horrocks".


#68 of 165 by mooncat on Mon Feb 1 16:58:09 1999:

I very much liked "Shakespeare in Love" I thought it was
quite funny.  Sometimes you had to listen carefully to get the joke, but
all in all, a very excellent movie.  Two thumbs up.  Well written, the
accents were okay (I didn't notice anything glaringly standing out as
poorly spoken), the costumes lovely.  The only picky point I have, was
that there appeared to be a Catholic Mass scene... Which is just so
wrong... It didn't fit in with what I know of the early Angelican
religion... But I could be wrong.



#69 of 165 by aruba on Mon Feb 1 20:36:58 1999:

Was there an effort in the early Anglican church to be different from the
ROman Church?


#70 of 165 by mooncat on Tue Feb 2 14:54:33 1999:

Oh yeah... the early Anglicans thought (and still might think, I dunno)
that there was too much pomp involved in the Catholic Mass, and preferred
sparser surroundings.



#71 of 165 by richard on Sat Feb 6 20:40:47 1999:

"A SIMPLE PLAN"-- good new movie about two brothers and a friend who
discover a lot of money out in the woods, decide to be greedy and keep
it, and suffer the consequences.  you think you've seen this movie
before, you probably have--THE TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE" with
Humphrey Bogart.  Same premise.  Story hasnt really changed.  Best
thing about the movie is Billy Bob Thornton, the dimwitted brother
whose conscious turns out to be stronger than the other two.  He is
really good in this.  I give "A SIMPLE PLAN" *** 1/2 (3.5 stars out of 4)


#72 of 165 by other on Sun Feb 7 04:25:59 1999:

conscience?


#73 of 165 by md on Tue Feb 9 14:52:03 1999:

PAYBACK (B) - It has its moments, but it suffers from Mel Gibson
being cast as a noirish bad guy.  You like Gibson so you cut him
lots of slack, but basically it's just bad casting.  The movie's theme,
if it can be said to have one, is pain.  Lots and lots of pain.  Then
more pain.  There were a couple of scenes that had the audience
cringing and going "Eeeeeuuuuwww!"  If you're even a tiny bit
squeamish, avoid this one.


#74 of 165 by scg on Sun Feb 14 06:11:20 1999:

I just saw A Civil Action.  I'd been wanting to see it since I first saw a
preview, since I read the book a year or two ago and really enjoyed it.  I
found the movie somewhat disapointing, not because it wasn't a good movie,
but because the book was considerably better.  I often found the book hard
to put down, while the movie came off as very slow moving and predictable.


#75 of 165 by mooncat on Mon Feb 15 16:18:28 1999:

I really enjoyed "Simply Irrisistible" Perfect if you're looking for 
a light hearted romantic comedy.  This is not a movie to take seriously,
but it's fun, and good for a number of laughs.



#76 of 165 by jazz on Mon Feb 15 16:36:24 1999:

        ... and it features a magic crab, which is rare for a film that didn't
take this year's Cannes best-director award.  If you liked "Water for
Chocolate", you'll like this one.  Just don't see it on an empty stomach.


#77 of 165 by mooncat on Mon Feb 15 18:57:28 1999:

No defnitely not... too much food in this movie to see when you're
hungry... the magic crab is one of the best characters. <grins>



#78 of 165 by katie on Tue Feb 16 01:56:04 1999:

I very much enjoyed "Rushmore."


#79 of 165 by jazz on Tue Feb 16 13:10:07 1999:

        Anne, if you ever happen to find a magic crab, please buy me one.
They're terribly neat and beat Furbies all to hell.


#80 of 165 by mooncat on Tue Feb 16 16:47:12 1999:

John- alrighty. :)



#81 of 165 by krj on Tue Feb 16 21:24:37 1999:

It's Elizabethan Week for us.  We saw SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE on 
Valentine's Day; we liked it, as most people seem to.  We're going 
to be sure to catch ELIZABETH on its Thurs-Sat run at the Michigan
Theatre.  Then on Sunday (non-movie), it's Verdi's operatic 
setting of Shakespeare's OTHELLO at MSU.


#82 of 165 by senna on Wed Feb 17 04:43:58 1999:

I find it amusing that of the best picture nominees, two feature Queen 
Elizabeth and three feature WWII


#83 of 165 by remmers on Wed Feb 17 11:51:15 1999:

I would like to see a movie that features both.


#84 of 165 by aaron on Thu Feb 18 22:41:33 1999:

re #78: Even without Reagan being added? ;)


#85 of 165 by richard on Fri Feb 19 00:41:51 1999:

Rental recommendation..."DRUGSTORE COWBOY"..this is a terrific movie froma
few years back starring Matt Dillon as the leader of a group of junkies,
whose main goal in life is to stay high, any way they can.

This movie provides a brutal, uncompromising look at the drug culture, and
how it affects lives.  It makes you really start to understand why some
people get addicted to drugs and let drugs control your lives.  

As Matt Dillon's character, who narrates the movie, points out, most
people go through life not knowing what is going to happen to them and how
they are going to feel from one moment to the next.  But a junkie who
controls and maintains his addiction, has a pretty good idea of how they
feel and how they will continue to feel.  they dont do drugs out of joy or
hate,they do drugs out of fear...fear of one moment being different than
the next.

William S. Burroughs, the famous author/heroin addict who wrote the
ultimate novel about drug use, "NAKED LUNCH' even has a cameo, basically
playing a character based on himself.  Drugstore Cowboy is a great movie.


#86 of 165 by mcnally on Fri Feb 19 07:33:32 1999:

  Bonus feature of "Drugstore Cowboy" -- you get to hear Desmond Dekker's
  classic tune "Israelites" about six or seven times..  :-)


#87 of 165 by hhsrat on Sun Feb 21 04:13:38 1999:

I think somebody needs to retitle  this item now that Siskel is no more


#88 of 165 by aaron on Sun Feb 21 04:17:08 1999:

By way of explanation of that last comment, Gene Siskel died today,
apparently due to complications arising from a growth on his brain.


#89 of 165 by omni on Sun Feb 21 10:29:12 1999:

  Ok, so how about the Amateur Film Critic Item?

  Saw Good Will Hunting on cable. Very interesting story about a 
youth from the wrong side of the tracks coming to terms with adulthood
and taking responsibility for his life. Robin Williams was stellar as
the therapist who tackles Will Hunting's demons, and who sets him
on the road to actually going somewhere. Ben Affleck was excellent
as well. A solid 4 star flick.



#90 of 165 by senna on Sun Feb 21 11:48:34 1999:

The "In memory of Siskel" item or "The late" Siskel and Ebert item.


#91 of 165 by aruba on Sun Feb 21 19:50:30 1999:

My roommate Paul and I have been regular watchers of Siskel & Ebert's show for
many years.  I was very sorry to hear about Gene Siskel.


#92 of 165 by scg on Sun Feb 21 19:57:50 1999:

I'd be tempted to leave the item header alone, as a memorial.  Getting the
names of dead people off of everything they were involved in as soon as they
die has never really appealed to me.


#93 of 165 by scott on Mon Feb 22 00:54:25 1999:

Bummer.   A cousin of mine is the producer of Siskel & Ebert.


#94 of 165 by senna on Mon Feb 22 13:05:54 1999:

Roger Ebert was on Today this morning.  It was touching to see him talk 
as a person instead of a film critic.


#95 of 165 by aruba on Mon Feb 22 14:46:29 1999:

I wish I'd seen that.


#96 of 165 by darbha on Wed Feb 24 06:03:33 1999:

Hi, this is Pygmalion, named so on grex because of the belief in the original
from Shaw and also because of the relationship with my computer. Anyway,
recently i saw a movie 'Six days and seven Nights' . It was i should say
medicre, with the level of humour not producing the effect that you usually
get when a movie is made professionally. The story is more or less close to
another movie "Miracles', but the latter one was hilarious and eminently
enjoyable. Harrison Ford is capable of better performances than this one. So
if u are about to see it , just have another thought.


#97 of 165 by md on Wed Feb 24 12:05:14 1999:

I wasn't crazy about that one, either.


#98 of 165 by krj on Sun Mar 7 03:54:55 1999:

Leslie and I are just back from seeing "Star Trek: Insurrection"
at the Fox Village.  We enjoyed it tremendously; it is a very good 
piece of Star Trek.   I think it fits well in the series universe, 
without any need for time travel (again) or blowing up the 
Enterprise (again).  I'd say this is the best of the three
Next Generation cast movies so far.
 
Patrick Stewart's talent for stuffing little classical theatre 
bits into the story is wonderful.  This time it's Gilbert & Sullivan.


#99 of 165 by senna on Sun Mar 7 04:20:26 1999:

I disagree.  First Contact, in my estimation, was significantly better. 
 Insurrection holds the distinction of being possibly the most 
impressive odd.


#100 of 165 by krj on Sun Mar 7 05:25:49 1999:

senna, did some text get lost in #99?


#101 of 165 by jazz on Sun Mar 7 06:45:25 1999:

        I was disappointed by Insurrection as well;  but then I'm a fan of the
Deep Space Nine series much more than the Next Generation series, and
Insurrection was one huge moralising Roddenberyism in the Next Generation
motif.  I found it difficult to empathise with the "good guys" when the "good
guys" were putting their cultural values over billions of lives and the
security of the Federation.


#102 of 165 by md on Sun Mar 7 13:12:37 1999:

ANALYZE THIS (B-)  Lots of fun.  It went on too long, and
it went from good-farcical to bad-farcical toward the end.
Zero chemistry between Billy Crystal and Lisa Kudrow.  There's
one scene where Billy Kristal dreams that he's gunned down
exactly the way Don Corleone is in THE GODFATHER (A+).  As  
Crystal lies bleeding on the ground behind the car, Robert 
DeNiro stumbles over to him and starts weeping.  Crystal, as 
a psychoanalyst who can't not ponder the meaning of such 
things, tells DeNiro about the dream.  DeNiro, as Crystal's
patient, ubermobster Paul Vitti, says, "So I'm Fredo?  
I don't think so."  DeNiro of course played the young Don 
Corleone in GODFATHER II (A+).  If you get that gag, you might 
enjoy this movie.

Recent rentals:

BUFFALO 66 (A-) - A strange depressing movie.  Nice
atmospheric location shots and a low-key but very touching
performance by Christina Ricci.  The movie seems to revel
in its low budget.  I felt as if I were being asked to 
participate in it more than usual, which I was happy to do.
I have no idea what the double ending is supposed to mean.
If anyone can explain it for me, please do.

SNAKE EYES (C) - Lots of running frantically around to no
particular purpose.  Some suspense.  Very nice production 
values, which usually impresses me when it shouldn't, I admit.


#103 of 165 by danr on Sun Mar 7 15:13:07 1999:

Pleasantville (B+) - The ending of this movie was a little bit too simplistic
for me, but otherwise it was quite thought-provoking.


#104 of 165 by otter on Sun Mar 7 16:09:35 1999:

Jackie Chan fans, pick up _Who Am I?_. It's *his* film which means, by his
own admission, that he came up with the stunts and built the movie around
them, but this time he actually had a budget. Tons of fun.
There is one series of stunts which made me think, "Nah! It has to be
blue-screened or something." The out-takes proved me wrong; they really
*are* on the roof of a building. Again, tons of fun.



#105 of 165 by anderyn on Sun Mar 7 16:51:14 1999:

I dunno, I thought Insurrection was a very pleasant ST episode. I don't
expect any more than that from any Star Trek effort these days, so I
was quite happy with it, for the most part, and I'm hoping that any
further movies will have the same effect.

Anxiously awaiting Mulan from the store, since I sent Rhiannon out to
obtain a copy. I liked it a lot on the big screen, so I'm wondering
how it will fare on the small. 


#106 of 165 by remmers on Sun Mar 7 17:36:12 1999:

Re resp:102 - "Snake Eyes" would work better on a big wide theater
screen, I think. That's how I saw it. Director Brian DiPalma's
camera pyrotechnics play better in a theater. That and Nicholas
Cage's incredible screen presence made the movie enjoyable for me,
even though the story was a bit weak. The incredible long take at
the beginning rivals the one in Oroson Welles' "Touch of Evil"
(and was no doubt inspired by it).


#107 of 165 by scg on Sun Mar 7 17:46:17 1999:

I saw Snake Eyes in the theater.  I guess the camera work was pretty good.
However, no amount of good camera work can make up for a plot like that.


#108 of 165 by mcnally on Sun Mar 7 17:58:58 1999:

  I thought the plot of "Snake Eyes" was no worse than average for the
  suspense genre (a sad commentary in and of itself..) and that the movie
  was better than average for its genre, largely because of Cage..
  I wouldn't recommend it unreservedly but it's worth watching..


#109 of 165 by scg on Sun Mar 7 18:22:19 1999:

I didn't think it was horrible.  I just didn't get as much out of it as I do
from most movies I watch.


#110 of 165 by mary on Sun Mar 7 21:14:56 1999:

"8mm" is a mediocre thriller.  Not awful and not great.
The script needed more work and it would have been better
with somelike like Kevin Costner in the lead if they wanted
to have the hero appear uncomfortably outside of his morality zone.
Not a good film for first date entertainment.  (C)

"Affliction" is a powerful film and it's probably the best
work Nolte has ever done.  No happy endings here, no explanations,
no apologies, just a stark view of a dysfunctional family. (A)


#111 of 165 by md on Mon Mar 8 03:37:24 1999:

EVER AFTER (A) - The accents don't make much sense, 
and there are some anachronistic usages ("Have you lost 
your marbles?"  "I could care less.") which are either 
post-modern irony or just poor writing.  Probably the 
former, in view of Drew Barrymore's spunky American girl 
role.  (The action is set in 16th century France.)  
Which is to say the writers were deliberately playing 
with the genre.  Not important, though.  *Love* 
that Drew.  Anjelica Huston is a wonderful actress, but
even she seemed to have trouble preventing her affection
for Barrymore from shining through her character's
contempt for Barrymore's character.  The words were mean,
but everything else about her radiated affection and 
warmth toward Barrymore.  Or did I just imagine that?


#112 of 165 by jazz on Mon Mar 8 16:06:47 1999:

        I'm pretty sure that was an intentional contrast;  recall when Huston
told Barrymore how much she reminded her of her father?


#113 of 165 by md on Mon Mar 8 17:08:38 1999:

Yes!  Interesting movie.


#114 of 165 by jazz on Mon Mar 8 17:29:07 1999:

        It is at that.  I enjoyed the modern perspective on a fairy tale, and
I wished they'd done it more in-context of a modern perspective, instead of
attempting to do it as a period piece.  I'm looking forward to seeing "Cruel
Intentions", which seems to be a remake of "Les Liasons Dangereux".


#115 of 165 by md on Mon Mar 8 17:38:59 1999:

Stanley Kubrick has died at his home in England.  He was 70.


#116 of 165 by mooncat on Mon Mar 8 21:58:57 1999:

Gah... wanna see Ever After! <grins>  I really like Drew Barrymore too. :)



#117 of 165 by md on Tue Mar 9 16:12:00 1999:

Reading around, I see that Ever After got mixed reviews.
One thing that seems to have rubbed a few people the wrong 
way is that the movie purports to show the "real" Cinderella
story, without the fairy godmother, the magic pumpkin. the
transformation at the stroke of midnight, or any of that.  They
want the fairy tale to remain a fairy tale.  The problem with that 
complaint is that Ever After isn't a naturalistic or realistic 
retelling at all.  I mean, the real fairy godmother turns out to 
be -- Leonardo da Vinci?  


#118 of 165 by jazz on Tue Mar 9 17:11:58 1999:

        It would figure her best friend was gay. :)

        I was a bit wrong-way-rubbed by Ever After in parts;  it should've been
more honest about being a politically-correct modern-cliche stab at a fairy
tale, instead of the "real" Cinderella story.  Aside from that it was well
directed, and the acting was fairly good.  The story kept me interested
throughout all but the most drawn-out music-and-strong-emotion scenes.


#119 of 165 by katie on Tue Mar 9 18:43:36 1999:

I also learned many years ago that in the original Cinderella story, the
slippers were made of fur, not glass. Someone mistook the similar French
words.


#120 of 165 by md on Tue Mar 9 20:48:52 1999:

Yep.  "Vair" instead of "verre," or something.  Grey squirrel fur,
to be precise.


#121 of 165 by md on Tue Mar 9 21:12:08 1999:

[Btw, that image has always brought to mind a pair of those fuzzy
slippers in the shape of bunnies or tigers or lambs, only in this case
made out of a pair of real squirrels.]

Re the "politically correct" angle: Danielle's ideas were more republican
(small "r") than PC.  It borders on anarchist in a few places.  She repeatedly 
takes the side of the servants and peasants.  "They are the legs you
stand on," she defiantly tells Prince Henry.  What really is hard to believe 
is that such a woman could live happily ever after with any absolute
monarch, even a lovestruck sap like Henry, who founds the Sorbonne 
out of love for his bibliophile sweetheart (his bibliofilly?).


#122 of 165 by md on Tue Mar 9 21:23:54 1999:

[Probably not the Sorbonne, actually, which was founded 400 years
or so before Leonardo da Vinci was born.  Probably best not to look
too closely at the names and dates of this movie.]


#123 of 165 by aruba on Tue Mar 9 21:56:53 1999:

Re 119-120:  Hmmm.  I'm sure there are many versions of the Cinderella story,
but the one in Grimm's fairy tales ("Aschenputtel") was from Germany of the
early 1800s.  I don't remember exactly what the slippers were made of, but it
was something hard, because the stepmother cuts one of the stepsisters' heel
off to make it fit.  The Prince only realizes she's the wrong girl when he
sees all the blood pouring out of the shoe.  (It was rather different from
the Disney version. :))


#124 of 165 by anderyn on Wed Mar 10 01:16:47 1999:

My favourite re-telling has the heel cut off the first girl, the toes cut
off the second sister, and then the birds pluck out their eyes when Cinderella
finally does snag her prince. Gory. But did you know there's a Cinderella-
type story on Egyptian papyrus? I mean, there's this story told in ancient
Egypt that parallels the ideas -- this young girl, brought up away from
society, who is found by the pharaoh when birds carry off her shoe/sandal.


#125 of 165 by mooncat on Wed Mar 10 01:27:02 1999:

My sister collects Cinderella stories... My favorite one is CinderEdna
Cinderella's next door neighbor, who married the 'Not-So-Hansome' Prince.
They were more fun. <grins>



#126 of 165 by mcnally on Wed Mar 10 06:24:33 1999:

  re #124:  Falling in love with a girl based on a shoe or sandal seems to
  be a popular theme in some of the Arabic folk tales I've read, too..


#127 of 165 by cyklone on Wed Mar 10 13:06:41 1999:

Interesting


#128 of 165 by md on Wed Mar 10 15:06:58 1999:

Another complaint I've heard about Ever After is that when the gypsies 
steal the "Mona Lisa" from Leonardo, it's a rolled-up canvas; but the 
real "Mona Lisa" is painted on wood.   A more serious complaint, I 
guess, is that Leonardo himself is trivialized into a "kindly old 
curmudgeon" movie cliche'.  How much does any of this matter?


#129 of 165 by other on Thu Mar 11 01:54:07 1999:

i remember noticing the mona lisa fallacy.


#130 of 165 by darbha on Thu Mar 11 07:53:12 1999:

Hey looking at the kind of movies that are coming now and making waves...like
all the classics of Shakespeare will soon be filmed. And not just that, may
be the works of the rest of all poets/playwrights of Elizabethian age will
be filmed in the coming days. Well it may look nice for us viewers, but
actually it speaks of a gradual loss of ideas in Hollywood and elsewhere.


#131 of 165 by mary on Thu Mar 11 13:07:00 1999:

I must be the only person alive who saw "Something About Mary"
and found it lame and boring.  Really lame and boring.  (D-)


#132 of 165 by bruin on Thu Mar 11 15:26:56 1999:

RE #131 Don't feel bad about "There's Something About Mary" being lame and
boring -- I walked out of the theater in the middle of the movie.


#133 of 165 by md on Thu Mar 11 15:42:17 1999:

Saw THE WEDDING SINGER (C) on cable last night.  I recall some
reviewers saying they liked Barrymore and Sandler but weren't
crazy about the movie.  I liked Barrymore (I suspect after seeing
her in Ever After I'd like her in just about anything), and one of
Sander's songs was a stitch, but that's all.  

What is particularly annoying is that it's Sandler, not Barrymore, 
who's now commanding $20 mil per movie because of The 
Wedding Singer's box office success.  Grrr.


#134 of 165 by md on Thu Mar 11 19:08:10 1999:

Re "There's Something About Mary," I enjoyed it.  I also enjoyed
"Beavis and Butthead Do America," so don't run out to rent "Mary"
on my say-so.  

The movie's mass appeal was surprising.  I think it had been out
for something like nine weeks before it hit #1 last year.  That hardly
ever happens.  It was the result of sheer word-of-mouth, enhanced 
by a belated advertising blitz after the distributors caught on to what 
was happening.  

We rented it when it hit the video stores and liked it even better.
We even bought one of the Puffy-in-the-body-cast toys they were
selling at Blockbuster.  Poor Puffy now brightens a shelf in our kitchen.

When we saw the video, we realized that an additional "something" 
about Mary for us now is her snazzy Durango.


#135 of 165 by danr on Fri Mar 12 13:19:39 1999:

I also thought "Mary" was kind of lame.  A few scenes were funny, though.


#136 of 165 by senna on Fri Mar 12 17:05:20 1999:

Honestly, Mary was a very stupid movie.  I can enjoy stupid movies, 
though.  It doesn't reach the sublime wit that Kevin Smith movies do, 
but it's good for a few laughs.  

Sandler makes $20 million for a lot of reasons.  Howard Stern actually 
had a good point about it.  He thinks that Sandler might be the *only* 
person in Hollywood worth $20 million, because he can make an awful, 
awful movie like The Waterboy and people will still come see it.  They 
always do.  The Waterboy made the kind of money that usually makes 
studios think "sequel."  I hope they don't, but you get the idea.


#137 of 165 by md on Sat Mar 13 17:14:15 1999:

The new Premiere magazine reviews Ever After in its video
section.  It gets a "satisfying rental" rating.  The reviewer
adds that "it will be a staple at teenage girls' slumber
parties well into the next century."  Just when I thought
I couldn't feel worse about my taste in movies.

Speaking of which, we rented WHAT DREAMS MAY COME (C+).  
I kind of liked it, although I can see why it got such 
ghastly reviews.  What I like about it is the way it looks.  
What I hate about it is the Peter Straub-like way things
can "magically" change from one moment to the next. I have
nothing against magic or change in movies, but it has to
be to some purpose or effect.  In this movie, all you're
seeing is the boring fantasies of the writing team. "Hey,
let's do this next!"  "Cool!"  Snore.  The only thing
that redeems it are the alpine vistas, the Italianate 
cityscapes, the Giverny flower beds, etc., which are quite 
eye-popping.  I bet it was awesome at the Star.


#138 of 165 by omni on Sat Mar 13 17:41:45 1999:

    I saw THE TRUMAN SHOW on PPV last night. I liked it, but
it left me wondering what I would do if I were in that position.
Carrey was unbelievably watchable as Truman; and I'm NOT a Jim Carrey
fan because I always thought he was too silly and too manic. However,
despite that Carrey did an excellent job, certainly an Oscar caliber
performance. The Academy should be ashamed it snubbed him. 
I give it an A-.


#139 of 165 by otter on Sat Mar 13 23:53:30 1999:

I'm still ticked at the Academy for ignoring _Tombstone_, especially Val
Kilmer's *incredible* performance. But that's what you get for releasing a
movie in the same year as _Schindler's List_. Oh, well.


#140 of 165 by gregb on Sun Mar 14 03:06:14 1999:

Re. STI:  As a theater movie, I was dissapointed.  But it would'ov made 
an very good two-hour episode.

Re. SAM:  I never made it to the theater.  The promos were enough to 
keep me away.  Just seemed too slap-stick for my taste.

One movie I reccomend is Antz.  And if you think this is some cute kids 
flick, forget it.  It is cute, but definitely not for kids, IMO.  Mo 
only disapointment was how short it was;  Only 83 min., less than Toy 
Story.


#141 of 165 by gull on Sun Mar 14 03:24:45 1999:

Re #140:  I second  that.  Antz is basically an animated Woody Allen movie.
:)


#142 of 165 by senna on Sun Mar 14 07:57:29 1999:

I just saw The Truman Show today on video.  It was a very interesting film.
Peter Weir did a wonderful job adding dynamics to pull the audience (real and
otherwise) into the movie.  A nice added touch was to put entirely fictitious
credits at the beginning.  Carrey does an excellent job, and the fact that
I forgot to expect him to revert to his normal overblown style reflects how
encapturing it really was.  To me, the best element of the movie is Weir's
seamless translation of the fictional audience's inability to read what Truman
is thinking despite seeing every second of his life on tv to the real
audience, which experiences the same phenomenon.  You see everything he does,
but you can't be sure what he's actually doing.


#143 of 165 by md on Sun Mar 14 16:13:33 1999:

The current Premiere magazine has an interesting table 
on pages 86 & 87.  Alex Lewin selected what he considers 
the 100 most noteworthy films (the cover says "hottest 
movies") of 1998, and read reviews of them by 15 
well-known critics.  He assigned a point score to each 
review: 0 = a must to avoid; 1 = not recommended; 2 = 
recommended; 3 = highly recommended; 4 = most highly 
recommended.  He added the point scores for each movie 
and sorted by total score.  

The critics' top 20 movies of 1998 using Lewin's method 
are ("T" indicates a tie with the preceding movie):

1.  Shakespeare in Love
2.  Saving Private Ryan
3.  Out of Sight
4.  Happiness
5.  Gods and Monsters
6.  The Truman Show
7.  Affliction
8.  The General
T.  A Simple Plan
10. A Bug's Life
T.  Love and Death on Long Island
12. Bulworth
T.  There's Something about Mary
14. Fireworks
T.  Live Flesh
16. The Eel
T.  The Thin Red Line
18. The Butcher Boy
T.  Central Station
20. The Celebration

There is plenty of disagreement among the critics that
the averages can't show.  The Truman Show, which 
everyone else loved, got a 1 ("not recommended") from 
Richard Schickel in Time magazine.  Patch Adams, which 
literally every other critic said to avoid, got a 2 
from Leonard Maltin.  There's Something about Mary was
the most controversial, with five 4s, five 3s, three 2s
and two 1s.  The highest rated movie to get a 0 ("a 
must to avoid") from a critic is The Butcher Boy, which 
I've never heard of.  The lowest rated movie to get a 4 
("most highly recommended") from a critic is Very Bad 
Things, which most critics said to avoid but which 
Entertainment Weekly's Owen Gleiberman evidently loved.

If you want to know how a particular movie ranked with
the critics but you don't want to buy the magazine, ask 
here and I'll look it up for you.


#144 of 165 by aruba on Sun Mar 14 17:41:42 1999:

How did Pleasantville do?


#145 of 165 by md on Sun Mar 14 18:08:29 1999:

Tied for 35th with Antz, below The Mask of Zorro and above
High Art.


#146 of 165 by scg on Sun Mar 14 18:16:44 1999:

I saw three of those top 20.  Antz and Pleasantville were two of my favorite
movies last year.


#147 of 165 by gjharb on Mon Mar 15 03:59:04 1999:

Have been very pleased with the last couple of movies I've seen.  The Truman
Show, Pleasantville, Elizabeth, Rushmore, and Shakespeare in Love. Can't
remember when I've had such a rash of movies I thought were well worth
watching.


#148 of 165 by remmers on Mon Mar 15 17:23:03 1999:

I've seen only 5 of the top 20. I just ain't the moviegoer I used to 
be. In the excellent-movies-ignored-by-the-academy category, I agree 
with the high ranking of "Out of Sight".

How did "Henry Fool" do?


#149 of 165 by mcnally on Mon Mar 15 17:45:03 1999:

  I don't even recall ever hearing about "Out of Sight" before the
  previous responses.  What's it about?  (That's *not* the one about
  the man whose eyesight was restored by surgery, right?)


#150 of 165 by md on Tue Mar 16 03:06:03 1999:

Out of Sight was the one with George Clooney and Jennifer
Lopez.  I think it was based on an Elmore Leonard book.

Henry Fool ranked 64th.  We rented it the other night,
didn't like it much.  I had the feeling I was watching an
allegory of some kind, but allegory of what I couldn't say.
Parker Posey was good, as always.


#151 of 165 by remmers on Tue Mar 16 13:16:28 1999:

Right, "Out of Sight" was based on an Elmore Leonard and directed by
Stephen Soderberg (sp?). The latter part of the movie is set in Detroit
and captures the look & feel of locales such as the RenCen and bleak
inner city residential areas quite well.

A lot of people hated "Henry Fool", but it was one of my favorites of
1998. Maybe I'll try to explain why after seeing it another time.



#152 of 165 by jazz on Tue Mar 16 13:49:15 1999:

        Remmers:  I enjoyed Henry Fool as well;  perhaps my estimation is
coloured by my experience with previous films by Hal Hartley, however, as I
immensely enjoyed AMATEUR.


#153 of 165 by scg on Tue Mar 16 19:32:55 1999:

My brother and I saw Analyze This, in which Billy Crystal plays a psychiatrist
who is treating a mob boss played by Robert DeNiro.  It was hilarious.


#154 of 165 by senna on Wed Mar 17 06:08:12 1999:

I was at that viewing with my friend Dave, who's on spring break.  We 
concur.  It's a terrific movie.  


#155 of 165 by remmers on Wed Mar 17 11:21:50 1999:

Re resp:152 - I also had become a Hal Hartley fan by the time I saw
"Henry Fool", although I didn't care that much for "Amateur". My
favorite Hartleys are "The Unbelievable Truth" and "Trust".


#156 of 165 by maeve on Thu Mar 18 18:24:31 1999:

Danny is still attempting to make a Hal Hartley fan out of me..we'll 
see how it goes.

All his characters make me too uncomfortable for me to really enjoy any 
of the films..


#157 of 165 by md on Sat Mar 20 13:12:35 1999:

FORCES OF NATURE (B+) - This movie won't be to everyone's
taste, but I liked it a lot.  If you want it to be a 
screwball comedy, as one reviewer did, you'll be very
disappointed.  There are a couple of discernible themes,
one of which is the idea of Nature herself using all her
formidable powers to throw the two main characters
together and prevent the young man from marrying the
wrong woman, the one he's trying to reach through fire,
flood, hail, wind, you name it.  Some of the effects are
enchanting, to use an old-fashioned word.  In the end,
as fun as it was to imagine an all-powerful benevolent
Force at work, you realize it was all just random
coincidence -- beautiful, scary, sometimes hilarious,
but with no "mind" or "purpose" driving it.  The other
theme is the theme of marriage, in particular the
problem of finding just the right person, which also
involves chance and luck.  Take it, run with it, says
the movie.


#158 of 165 by mary on Sat Mar 20 15:35:46 1999:

Is this a new release?  On tape?  I've not heard of it before.


#159 of 165 by md on Sat Mar 20 16:49:32 1999:

Just opened.  Sandra Bullock & Ben Affleck.


#160 of 165 by remmers on Sun Mar 21 18:19:03 1999:

(The *real* reason md liked "Forces of Nature" is that he thinks Sandra
Bullock is a babe...  ;-)

Actually, it sounds intriguing. I may try to catch it.


#161 of 165 by md on Sun Mar 21 19:31:28 1999:

The critics are shredding it.  Be warned.


#162 of 165 by danr on Mon Mar 22 16:50:18 1999:

re #160: Nothing wrong with that. I think she's a babe, too.


#163 of 165 by darbha on Thu Mar 25 05:47:54 1999:

Why should Dame Judy Dench be given the Supporting actress oscar? Is it
because the supporting actress oscar is itselfa very insignificant award?
Remember last year also Kim Basinger got it god knows why ?


#164 of 165 by papa on Fri Dec 27 03:35:10 2019:

DOCTOR SLEEP

"Doctor Sleep" is a good sequel to "The Shining". It may be the "2010: The
Year We Make Contact" to The Shining's "2001: A Space Odyssey". It's a
worthwhile movie in its own right, but doesn't come up to the legendary level
of the original.

It's not a typical horror movie, which is a point in its favor. There is one
very disturbing scene which I won't spoil (contact me privately if you've seen
the movie, or want to know how disturbing the scene is before deciding if you
want to see it), and two or three jump scares. It is almost more of a
superhero movie than a horror movie.


#165 of 165 by tod on Sun Mar 1 01:10:35 2020:

I don't remember the disturbing scene.  I do remember thinking that
Men Who Stare At Goats was bleeding through


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