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Entered by mary on Thu Sep 24 13:35:09 1998:

79 new of 146 responses total.


#68 of 146 by krj on Wed Nov 11 00:04:55 1998:

Gripes with CLOSE ENCOUNTERS: SPECIAL EDITION -- 
Spielberg cut the long sequence where Richard Dreyfus wakes up one 
morning and starts collecting the material for his living-room sized 
model of Devil's Mountain.  That was a sequence which got an *ovation*
in the movie theatre opening weekend.

Speilberg also decided that he had to add some extra footage showing the 
interior of the Mother Ship; in the original film, the camera never 
went inside that ship.
 
What's commonly shown on TV now is a blend of both versions.


#69 of 146 by remmers on Wed Nov 11 12:23:56 1998:

Dreyfus' building of the Devil's Tower model was one of the highlights
of "Close Encounters" for me, so I'd miss it too.


#70 of 146 by scott on Sat Nov 14 15:58:17 1998:

"Six String Samurai" (1998)

Really cool film.  The setup (told in Star Wars scroll):

"In 1957 the Russians dropped the bomb and took over America.  The only free
place left was Lost Vegas.  40 years later, King Elvis has died."

FRom there is the story of a "samurai" and his quest to get to Lost Vegas to
try and become the new King.  (A samurai in this future has to be both a good
swordsman and also play a mean guitar).  Our hero, a Buddy Holly type, fights
various Mad Max style desert characters while protecting a tagalong kid.

Very funny, very cool.  Plays again next Friday and Saturday at the Michigan,
midnite.


#71 of 146 by omni on Sat Nov 14 17:46:26 1998:

  The Stand 
    Based on the book, and the teleplay was written by Stephen King, this
was an 8 (count 'em) 8 hour miniseries which told the story of a post
superflu world and it's struggle between good and evil. 
    Unlike most other Stephen King productions, this one was suprisingly
good. Gary Sinise, Rob Lowe, and Molly Ringwald were oustanding, as were Ray
Walston and Miguel Ferrer. Steve wrote himself a nice little part, since
he was the producer as well, and he acts just about as good as he writes.
All in all, it was very interesting, and the last hour is perhaps the
most gripping I've seen in a while. 3 stars.


#72 of 146 by drew on Sun Nov 15 00:04:22 1998:

_The Stand_ reminded me of a 1971 movie called _Omega Man_.


#73 of 146 by katie on Sun Nov 15 20:42:30 1998:

I recently very much enjoyed both Pleasantville and Meet Joe Black. The AA
News gave Meet Joe Black only 1 star. Must be the male reviewer has a sour
grapes problem.


#74 of 146 by bruin on Sun Nov 15 20:54:46 1998:

BTW, the _Ann Arbor News_ also gives a "turkey" rating to the worst of the
worst films playing in town.


#75 of 146 by omni on Mon Nov 16 06:47:23 1998:

  Newsweek trashed "Meet Joe Black". They recommended "Death takes a Holiday"
with Frederic March. At least it's a better way to spend $7.


#76 of 146 by katie on Mon Nov 16 13:55:48 1998:

Never saw th original. But I considered my $7 well spent. Have you seen the
remake, omni?


#77 of 146 by jep on Mon Nov 16 14:07:38 1998:

The Stand was possibly my favorite Stephen King book, out of the 7 or 8 
or so that I've read.  There wasn't much chance I was going to watch an 
8 hour miniseries on TV, even had I known about it, but I kind of wish I 
could have.


#78 of 146 by omni on Mon Nov 16 15:38:50 1998:

  Nope.


#79 of 146 by gregb on Mon Nov 16 17:09:18 1998:

Re. _The Stand_:  I watched/recorded it when it originally aired on network
TV (ABC, I think) a couple years ago.  For anyone who's seen both, were there
any alterations/additions/deletions this time 'round?  I saw a scene in a
commercial that I didn't recognize.


#80 of 146 by katie on Mon Nov 16 21:04:59 1998:

(Then how do you know whether your $7 would be better-spent on the original?)


#81 of 146 by qui1 on Tue Nov 17 04:20:44 1998:

I saw "Belly" recently.  DMX, Method Man, T-Boz, etc, etc. :)  It rocked, if
you're into the whole
"thuggish-ruggish-let's-sell-drugs-and-shoot-people-and-screw-everyone-over"
kinda movie. ;)  For real, it offered an interesting insight... 


#82 of 146 by omni on Tue Nov 17 09:08:24 1998:

  Not that I judge books (or films) by thier cover, but I know that Freddy
March never made a bad movie, same goes for Edgar G. Robinson and Gary Cooper.
Brad Pitt, on the other hand, remains open for discussion.
  Leonard Maltin, who is my guide in these matters, tells me that "Death takes
a Holiday" is 3 1/2 stars. Newsweek said that "Meet Joe Black" was a dog.
I tend to share that opinion. (No, I have not heard Maltin on the subject).


#83 of 146 by mary on Tue Nov 17 13:05:39 1998:

Jim is very devoted to Newsweek.  He reads every issue cover to
cover, sometimes twice.


#84 of 146 by katie on Tue Nov 17 14:16:16 1998:

Seems you should ask Leonard fro his opinion, then.


#85 of 146 by omni on Tue Nov 17 15:40:23 1998:

Mary, your making me sound like an idiot, which I am not. I subscribe
and I do read it very carefully. As for believing everything that's 
printed in it, I don't think so. 


#86 of 146 by gregb on Tue Nov 17 16:38:09 1998:

Re. 82:  I never listen to critics.  If a flick looks interesting, I'll give
it a view.  What qualifications do these guys have to tell us what to see/not
see?  They're not actors, directors, producers, etc.  There's no training to
be a critic, no guidelines...nuttin'.


#87 of 146 by hhsrat on Thu Nov 19 01:36:19 1998:

Chris Potter, the lead critic for the Ann Arbor News, judging from his 
reviews, hates everything.  He is even more critical of theatre 
productions than movies.


#88 of 146 by eieio on Thu Nov 19 06:13:44 1998:

What Potter likes:
Brynn O'Malley
Kathy Marrero
Kandy Harris
Bronwen Rae (do we sense a pattern?)
skin on stage
implied homosexual undertones
 
What Potter does not like:
sudden very loud noises
blatant sexual content (of any affiliation)
wearing a belt
or underwear
 
(Thus, Erik does not like sitting near Potter in an audience, in case he drops
his pen. And he ALWAYS drops his pen. I'm so serious about this one. When he
leans down to retrieve his apparently irreplaceable Bic, the acoustics of the
room change.)


#89 of 146 by senna on Thu Nov 19 07:45:57 1998:

I read Newsweek.  Not every article, but I do stick my nose in it every week
for a decent amount of time.  


#90 of 146 by mary on Thu Nov 19 13:04:43 1998:

Me too.


#91 of 146 by remmers on Thu Nov 19 15:48:04 1998:

Re resp:88 - I don't know who those people you listed are, so I can't 
sense a pattern.


#92 of 146 by mary on Thu Nov 19 22:07:56 1998:

I really liked "Meet Joe Black".  


#93 of 146 by other on Fri Nov 20 02:45:19 1998:

potter likes female actors, more if they appear scantily clad.
that's the pattern above...


#94 of 146 by eieio on Fri Nov 20 05:29:21 1998:

Yep.

In his review of "A Little Night Music", he did everything short of 
salivating over Brynn O'Malley; praising her talents (yes, she's good) 
and lusting after her.

Problem was, she was 16 at the time.

So theoretically, you could laugh it off, saying, well, she was dressed 
and made up to look a few years older, so it really could be classified 
as an honest mistake.

Except he kept harping on the fact that she was 16. And then drooled 
more.

Several people's gut reaction to Potter for many months afterwards:
"EEEYEW!!"


#95 of 146 by md on Sun Nov 22 22:15:57 1998:

Recent rentals:

CAN'T HARDLY WAIT (C+) - A story about two young couples learning to
be in love.  Since it's also a highschool graduation comedy, the love
affairs are between pairs of cliches: the prom queen who admits to
herself, almost too late, that her football hero boyfriend is a moron
who gets off on mooning the cashier at Burger King and giving the
freshmen wedgies, and the quiet young writer-to-be who has idolized
her for four years and whom she's never so much as noticed; and the
painfully virginal boy who wants more than anything else to be cool
and who vows to get himself laid at the party, and who ends up falling
in love (and, yes, having sex) with a childhood friend, a dumpy little 
girl he abandoned freshman year because she was in all the smart 
classes and had no money.  The former couple are kept apart until the
very end of the movie, while the latter couple spend the entire movie
locked in a bathroom together.  Nice symmetry.  Many subplots and 
incidental characters, and some memorable scenes descended from 
National Lampoon's Animal House.  Jennifer Love Hewitt as the prom
queen girl didn't seem half as desirable to me as the supposedly
"dumpy" little bluestocking, who was in reality a cupcake.  Hewitt
has all these facial expressions she makes, rather like the visual
counterparts of the way girls that age talk nowadays.  Highly annoying,
but I guess she has her fans.

DIRTY WORK (C) - Either you love Norm MacDonald or you hate him. 
I happen to think his comedic bits are funny.  This movie made me laugh
out loud in a few places.  The comdeic bits have to be strung on a plot
of some kind, naturally, and this is where the movie fails badly.


#96 of 146 by mcnally on Mon Nov 23 02:44:09 1998:

  "There's Something About Mary" (B-)  A comedy about a man who's
  been mooning over a lost high-school sweetheart and the troubles
  that ensue when he decides to find her.  Enough jokes actually worked
  to make up for the majority that failed to move me but not enough for
  me to really be thrilled.  B- is probably on the generous side, I'm
  giving it a bit of extra credit because the rest of the audience 
  apparently thought it was hilarious.  I enjoyed the contrived and 
  contorted plot and liked the couple of incidents in which the main
  character's life would spiral nightmarishly out of control but didn't
  much like the physical humor, nor am I big on comedies that rely on
  embarrassment and humiliation for laughs.  Showing at Ann Arbor's
  2nd run theater, worth $1.50..

  "Enemy of the State"  (B+)  Enjoyable paranoia thriller about a 
  Washington D.C.-area lawyer whose life suddenly careens completely
  out of control when the wrong people decide that he's got the 
  MacGuffin they want.  He of course has no idea what's happening.
  Directed by Tony Scott, so you can count on plenty of explosions
  and helicopter chases, but the plot is better than average for a
  modern suspense movie (but then I've got a pretty low opinion of
  your average suspense movie..)  Will Smith and Gene Hackman are
  unexceptional in their roles but things move quickly enough that
  you don't have time to dwell on the movie's deficiencies.


#97 of 146 by shf on Mon Nov 23 05:26:23 1998:

( For a much better Ben Stiller see _The Zero Effect" Bill Pullman is very
good in this also.
)


#98 of 146 by mcnally on Mon Nov 23 08:17:04 1998:

  I'd second that -- I liked "Zero Effect" much better than "Something
  About Mary" but fans of the latter should be warned that "Zero Effect"
  is not very much like it, though it is funny in an offbeat way..


#99 of 146 by remmers on Mon Nov 23 11:04:39 1998:

I third the recommendation of "Zero Effect".


#100 of 146 by md on Mon Nov 23 12:26:25 1998:

I like Zero Effect, too, but I thought Stiller and Pullman were
both miscast.  I don't know if it's been noticed or remarked on
that the "something" about Mary in There's Something About Mary
is that she is an incredibly good person who looks like Cameron
Diaz.  I mean, a really, really nice young woman, whose niceness
positively radiates like a beacon from a lighthouse.  Her goodness
elevates all the men smitten with her -- ie, literally all the men
in the movie -- at least a notch or two.  It's a sweetly Capraesque
kind of movie, as if a Capra had made a movie when he was in his
teenage gross-out phase.  It's the people-are-basically-good message
that makes the movie so popular, not merely the gross-out stuff.


#101 of 146 by mcnally on Mon Nov 23 20:03:04 1998:

  I'm not sure I'd agree with that.  The Mary character is certainly
  idealized -- almost without flaw in fact.  But the way I saw it,
  infatuation with Mary drove the men around her to elaborate deceptions,
  betrayals, and foolish behavior -- they'll do anything or say anything
  to get her (hire detectives to watch her, spy on her day and night,
  insinuate themselves into her life under false pretenses, take any
  chance to back-stab their competitors, etc..)  This is what it means
  to be "elevated a notch or two"?


#102 of 146 by remmers on Tue Nov 24 01:13:11 1998:

Re resp:100 - I've read the suggestion that Stiller and Pullman should
have switched parts in "Zero Effect", with Stiller playing the detective
and Pullman his assistant. But I think the casting was exactly right
just as it was.


#103 of 146 by renny on Wed Nov 25 10:24:06 1998:

I am from India and unfortunately hollywood movies come after a few months
to the theatres. I recently saw X-files the movie and thoroughly enjoyed the
flick. The chemistry between Scully and Moulder have been depicted well and
transition from small screen tothe big screen is done superbly. I am sure we
will see more of the X-files on the big screen


#104 of 146 by mdw on Wed Nov 25 11:17:00 1998:

Honey bees _?_ corn.


#105 of 146 by gregb on Wed Nov 25 17:01:31 1998:

What I still want to know is, how the heck did they get out of the artic
alive?  everything was destroyed when the ship accended, and nobody knew they
were out there.

As a two-hour episode, I'd say it was great.  As a movie, I can only say it
was pretty good.


#106 of 146 by md on Sat Nov 28 13:43:09 1998:

A BUG'S LIFE (B) -- The animation is pretty cool, the story is pretty
lame.  Kevin Spacey shines as the evil grasshopper.  Julia-Louis
Dreyfus's ant-princess sounds too much like Elaine Benes.  A fun movie.

ENEMY OF THE STATE (A) -- A totally preposterous, ridiculously
contrived, riveting nail-biter of a movie.  I will never understand
how Hollywood can make such terrific entertainment out of such
weak material.  (Sudden dismaying thought: maybe they count on weak
minds like mine?)

THE RUGRATS MOVIE (A) -- Like many parents, I am a Rugrats fan.  
I caught it from my kids.  The adorable malapropisms are when make
the TV series so much fun: during a game of pirates, someone exclaims,
"Shiver me fingers!"  Much of the feature film takes place in a
gloomy forest, which gives it a curiously mythic feel.  Anyway,
childish, simple, sentimental, but very enjoyable if you like Rugrats.

Recent rentals:

A PRICE ABOVE RUBIES (B-) -- This has to be for Hassidic Jews what
THE LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST (B-) was for fundamentalist Christians.
A young Hassidic woman (Renee Zellweger, whose stylized pouty mouth
moves are starting to get on my nerves) is sexually aroused way more
often than is healthy in a culture where they do it, when they do it
at all, with the lights off and their clothes on.  She gets turned on
when she nurses her baby, and she even starts to come on to a female
friend at one point.  When she confesses her "problem" to the Rebbe,
*he* gets so turned on that he drags his wife, the Rebbetzin, into
bed and dies of a heart attack.  At his funeral, the Rebbetzin, played
by Kim Hunter, walks up to Renee Zellweger and whispers "Thank you!" 
in her ear.  Unbelievable.  And there's flashbacks of Renee's little
brother Yossi, who died in a swimming accident when they were kids.
Supposed to mean, you gotta go swimming even if you drown.  So she
breaks away, gets funky with blacks and hispanics, is kicked out of
the community, and loses everything but gains her freedom.  This
movie evidently takes place in a world where women don't masturbate.

FEAR AND LOATHING IN LAS VEGAS (F) -- Unwatchable.  Put me to sleep
three times.

THE BIG ONE (B+) -- Michael Moore's latest.  It got so-so reviews,
but I enjoyed it a lot.


#107 of 146 by hhsrat on Sat Nov 28 21:52:17 1998:

Waterboy (B) - Funny yes, but not Adam Sandler's best.  Did Disney have a part
in the making of this movie?  I could almost swear that the ending is
incredibly similar to "The Mighty Ducks," or "The Big Green,"  If I were
choosing, I would say wait until it comes to Fox, or on Video.


#108 of 146 by senna on Tue Dec 1 20:31:49 1998:

Due to the fact that my tape deck is nonfunctional and travelling strains
radio signals, I was forced into listening to Howard Stern for 20 minutes
yesterday.  He said that Adam Sandler is the only actor who should be able
to make 20 million dollars per film, because he can make absolutely horrible
movies and people will see them.  I think he has a point.


#109 of 146 by aruba on Wed Dec 2 17:57:01 1998:

I enjoyed "A Bug's Life" a lot.


#110 of 146 by gregb on Thu Dec 3 18:49:52 1998:

Wow!  With such an insightful review as that, how couldn I _not_ go see it.
8-)


#111 of 146 by mappy on Fri Dec 4 00:37:13 1998:

I really liked _There's Something About Mary_ It was absolutely hilarious.
The plot was good and the gags were funnier than I expected. I give it an (A)
personally. _Enemy Of the State_ was very good. Awesome effects...a real
nail-biter. I also recently saw _John Carpenter's Vampires_ I really liked
it as a whole. There was a lot that could be done differently but all in all
it was entertaining.


#112 of 146 by mary on Sun Dec 6 14:23:23 1998:

I really enjoyed "Enemy of the State".  Scary stuff because you
know it's possible for the most part.  I also applaud the clever ending
and the interesting characters.  Kudos to the screenwriter.


#113 of 146 by remmers on Mon Dec 7 10:27:12 1998:

I liked "Enemy of the State" too. Formula, but with enough cleverness
and energy to make you forget that. Will Smith in the lead part was
an inspired bit of casting -- a stodgier producer & director might
have given it to somebody like Harrison Ford. The big climax
reminded me of the one in director Tony Scott's earlier film,
"True Romance".


#114 of 146 by katie on Mon Dec 7 13:35:32 1998:

Hmm. I was disappointed in Enemy of the State. I found it hard to follow
and too contrived.


#115 of 146 by remmers on Mon Dec 7 14:59:09 1998:

It was contrived as all-get-out. But then, I expected it to be.


#116 of 146 by richard on Mon Dec 7 22:35:20 1998:

THE LAST EMPEROR (Director's cut)-- This is the complete version of the
great movie of several years back that won the Academy Award-- Bernardo
Bertolucci's masterpiece about the amazing life of Pu Yi, China's last
Emperor.  The version released several years ago was chopped up in the
cutting room to get down ot 2 hrs. 20 mins.  Bertolucci's complete
version, the film he would have liked to release, is more than an hour
longer (3 hrs. 40 mins)  The extra time allows for fuller character
development and a much more extensive view of chinese life.  This is a
beautiful movie, and great to see it the way it was intended to be seen
(Director's Cut of Last Emperor-- ***** (five stars))


#117 of 146 by shf on Mon Dec 7 23:38:53 1998:

(Last Emperor was an exquisite look at the loss of power and privilige)


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#119 of 146 by gregb on Sat Dec 19 22:44:31 1998:

Me and a friend went to see Star Trek: Insurrection on opening night 
(yeah, I'm a little late getting this in).  This movie, again, features 
the cast of STNG, including Worf (though no explination is given to his 
presence).  As a whole, I'd say that STI would'ov made an excellent 
MFTV movie, but as a theater movie, I felt it wanting.  One thing I did 
like about this Trek story was the inclusion of, what I like to call, 
everyday life scene;  Something that's been missing in Trek stories.  
If your an ST fan, I think it's worth spending seven bucks...once.  
Otherwise, wait 'til it comes 'round to the dollar theaters.


#120 of 146 by rcurl on Sun Dec 20 01:33:56 1998:

Matinee was $4.25....


#121 of 146 by senna on Sun Dec 20 04:41:22 1998:

Explanation of why Worf is there is given, briefly, early in the film.


#122 of 146 by scott on Sun Dec 20 13:24:59 1998:

I'm going to the matinee this very day...


#123 of 146 by scott on Sun Dec 20 18:49:41 1998:

...and Star Trek: Insurrection is...

Not bad!

OK, it will likely be a long time, if ever, before we get something like Wrath
of Khan again.  This was a TNG film, so it wasn't quite as bombastic as a TOS
film.  Rather, lots of interplay between well-known characters.  If you recall
on TOS (The Original Show) where Dr. McCoy and Spock were sort of bickering
friends, TNG (The Next Generation) characters *all* have some kind of
relationship with each other full of little in-jokes from the series.  This
movie plays on that a lot.

What else?  F. Murray Abraham wasn't much of a villian, the obligatory plot
holes, yada yada yada.

If you liked TNG (even if you *hated* the last season or two, like I did)
you'll probably like this movie.  Catch it at matinee or second run for
cheaper tickets and therefore more enjoyment.



Oh, and one other (unrelated) observation:  I hadn't been to Showcase in a
couple years, so this was my first time with  the new lobby and more theatres.
Wow, reminded me of walking thru Detroit Metro Airport, with all the twisty
little passages leading back to the last theatre in the building.  I would
have waited for this movie to get to Fox Village for the $1.50 price, but
decided I wanted to see it *now*.


#124 of 146 by eieio on Sun Dec 20 20:42:30 1998:

(Huh huh hhhhhuh. You said "toss".)


#125 of 146 by gregb on Sun Dec 20 22:06:49 1998:

Re. 121:  Care to share?

Re. 123:  IMO, STWOK was the second worst ST film made.  Talk about 
"holes."


#126 of 146 by aruba on Sun Dec 20 22:46:10 1998:

Wrath of Khan is still by far the best, IMO.

I enjoyed Insurrection.  They tried to do a good episode this time, rather
than a grandiose "save the universe"  kind of thing, like the last two,
and I appreciated that. I would've liked more exploration/exploitation of
the characters, but that has always been TNG's weak point; while the
characters in TOS were all essentially flawed, in one way or the other,
the TNG characters were much more blase.  They all seemed to be just along
for the ride this time, though; really, the script could just as easily
have made up some new characters and not been a Star Trek movie at all.


#127 of 146 by senna on Sun Dec 20 23:49:17 1998:

Greg?  Are you okay?  Wrath of Khan is almost universally worshipped as 
the best Star Trek movie that was ever put together.  I fail to see 
where you're coming from in your particular criticism.  Oh well.  (And 
if its the second worse, that means you rank either five or one better 
than it, both of which are horrendously bad movies with plots like swiss 
cheese).

This movie was a nice, light-hearted break.  Not a world beater, and F. 
Murray Abraham wasn't the worst guy ever invented, but he got the job 
done.  Mark is partially correct about the last two being serious, but 
Generations wasn't a "save the universe" movie.  It was a "save unlisted 
planet with 200 million people" movie.  More people, but it was still 
relatively minor on the Star Trek scale of things.  Not that that is 
bad.  

The characters in TNG have much more backstory behind them than TOS.  
TOS had three seasons to develop its characters and the only ones that 
got significant work were the main three.  The others were essentially 
one dimensional matte paintings until they got work in the movies.  
Insurrection plays off the 7 seasons and 2 movies worth of 
characterization the characters have, and it does it with contrast.  I 
agree, though, that the script could have been a different movie 
entirely.


#128 of 146 by aruba on Mon Dec 21 03:49:59 1998:

(I guess I shouldn't call Generations a "save the universe" film, but what
I meant was that it was grandiose, and bit off more than it could chew.)


#129 of 146 by senna on Mon Dec 21 08:54:17 1998:

Didn't mean to denegrate Greg's opinion that much... I just think he's 
dreadfully wrong :)


#130 of 146 by md on Mon Dec 21 12:36:15 1998:

HE GOT GAME (A) -- A great performance by Denzel Washington, a so-so
story line but wonderful basketball vignettes and weirdly appropriate
music by Aaron Copland (Appalachian Spring, Billy the Kid, music
from the movies Our Town, The Red Pony, The Heiress, etc., and a
chilling couple of scenes using Copland's Orchestral Variations,
which is his orchestration of his famous Piano Variations).  A good
solid performance by Jim Brown, of all people.


#131 of 146 by gregb on Tue Dec 22 02:50:56 1998:

Re 127:
>Wrath of Khan is almost universally worshipped as the best Star Trek 
>movie that was ever put together

"Universally?"  And what statistical source came up with that 
conclusion?  

>I fail to see where you're coming from in your particular criticism.

I've been around Trek since it's inception in '66.  Over the years, 
I've become something of a Trek purist, and I balk at those things that 
try to upset the established universe.  A couple examples from WOK:  

1) Several references are made to something called "energizer" or "main 
energizer."  You get the impression that this, whatever it is, runs the 
whole ship.  This greatly departs from what's been laid down in 
previous movies, series, books, etc., and from third movie on, no 
further mention is made of it, implying that it was an error in 
"treknology."  

2) Knan remembers Chekov.  Excuse me, but Chekov came aboard /after/ 
the events of "Space Seed."  Oh, and just for good measure, leet's not 
forget the amazing, moving blood stain.  There are plenty other such 
things, if your interested.

>if its the second worse, that means you rank either five or one better 
>than it,

Five was definitely the worst.  No surprise that Shatner was never 
asked to direct again.  As for STTMP, no, it wasn't the best, but I 
think it was one of most technically acurate.  And'ya gotta admit, 
seeing that grand cruise outside the new Enterprise was worth the cost 
of admission.  There was a beautiful ship.



#132 of 146 by eieio on Tue Dec 22 04:45:16 1998:

Oh dear. Peeing matches over finer points of Star Trekkery. This just can't
get pretty.


#133 of 146 by cyklone on Tue Dec 22 13:54:56 1998:

In the immortal words of William Shatner: "Get a life!"


#134 of 146 by md on Tue Dec 22 16:39:02 1998:

Anyway, The Voyage Home was the best Star Trek movie.


#135 of 146 by scott on Fri Dec 25 20:33:14 1998:

Chechov could have been in the crew for Space Seed, just not a bridge crew
character yet.


#136 of 146 by xtorted on Sun Dec 27 09:57:30 1998:

Is it just me or is "Aliens" one of the top 5 best movies ever?  The
characters were fun (it sucked when some of them died.. actually missed the
chaps), the creature effects were awesome, and the story wasn't too shabby
for a horror flick.  Too bad Alien 3 happened.



#137 of 146 by md on Sun Dec 27 14:02:58 1998:

One of the top 5 I don't know, but it's a great ride.  The way
Sigourney Weaver spits out the word "bitch" at the end is perfect.
"Get away from her, you *bitch*."  She isn't afraid anymore; she's 
had it up to here with the f*cking monster, and is really, really, 
pissed off.  The monster is the greatest monster ever filmed, by far.  

"Aliens" is a James Cameron film, which means his only agenda is 
to put fannies in seats.  In another item ages ago, before I knew 
who James Cameron was, I said the difference between the directors 
of the (at the time) three Alien movies was: the director of Alien^3
wants you to think he's cool; the director of Aliens wants you to 
see his movie three times at the theater, and tell all your friends 
how terrific it is, and buy the video when it comes out; and the 
director of Alien wants you to eat shit and die.  In retrospect, 
pretty good likenesses of David Fincher, James Cameron, and Ridley
Scott, respectively.


#138 of 146 by xtorted on Sun Dec 27 22:53:32 1998:

SPeaking of Ridley Sccott, was the new Alien flick any good?  I think he
directed it, at least.  Looked like it was pretty terrible.. The first two
were fathomable because it just so happened (1) that her crew were the first
to meet the Alien and survive and (2) that she was called to goto the planet
with a marine squad because she knew more than anyone else about the Aliens.
But the third one it made it out like it was her destiny and blah and the
fourth one kinda confirms that it's her destiny to fight the alien... which
is stupid.  I heard the CG aliens looked really crappy too.  I was kinda
excited at first because CG aliens, if done right, could be really scary. 
But i hear they sucked, so whaeva.  


#139 of 146 by mary on Mon Dec 28 11:12:48 1998:

Good summary of the contrasting styles, Michael. 


#140 of 146 by remmers on Wed Dec 30 14:54:57 1998:

Re resp:138 - By the "new Alien flick" I assume you mean the fourth
one, "Alien Resurrection", which came out in mid-1998. I agree that
it wasn't so great. The director was not Ridley Scott, but rather
Jean-Pierre Jeunet. He did "City of Lost Children", a fantasy film
that I liked quite a bit. So I had hopes for Alien #4 but was
disappointed.


#141 of 146 by rcurl on Wed Dec 30 22:10:30 1998:

Is that the one with all the crude language? Everthing was full of "s..t"
or "f.....g"? Like, this will be de-rigure astronaut language of the future?


#142 of 146 by krj on Thu Dec 31 00:50:17 1998:

((There was a lot written in the SF conference this past fall about the 
Alien movie series.))


#143 of 146 by remmers on Thu Dec 31 11:33:46 1998:

Re resp:141 - "Alien 3" was the one with all the crude language.


#144 of 146 by drew on Mon Jan 4 01:32:32 1999:

Re #141:
    Crude language is common among the sailors; why not the spacers as well?


#145 of 146 by rcurl on Mon Jan 4 01:47:52 1999:

No that you mention it - when space commerce becomes as common as merchant
ships now. In fact, after I wrote #141, I thought of truckers.....


#146 of 146 by redhat23 on Sat May 15 04:14:40 1999:

i head of a movie calle that one no enough. as pathetic as the title may sound
, the movie totally sucked to the core. it is a complete disgrace ot the
people who heard of how much moeny was put into the movie and how the
hollywood wannabes cut movies and movies and movies about the same old story
line.


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