Grex Books Conference

Item 83: mysterious quote item

Entered by void on Sun Mar 21 22:51:17 1999:

271 new of 278 responses total.


#8 of 278 by void on Mon Mar 22 23:39:41 1999:

   here's another quotation taken from the same work as the one in
resp:1:

   then suddenly, in the absolute stillness that prevailed, y-----'s
small sweet voice began to sing 'un bel di vedremo'.  the effect was
stunning.  in that place, in that atmosphere, in the dark night beside
the lake outside p------'s window, i was moved beyond words.  i saw
the composer freeze.  the pen was in his hand against the paper and
the hand froze and his whole body became motionless as he sat listening
to the voice outside the window.  he didn't look round.  i don't think
he dared to look round for fear of breaking the spell.  outside his
window a young maiden was singing one of his favorite arias in a small
clear voice in absolutely perfect pitch.  his face didn't change
expression.  his mouth didn't move.  nothing about him moved while the
aria was in progress.  it was a magic moment.  then y----- stopped
singing.  for a few seconds longer p------ remained sitting at the
piano.  he seemed to be waiting for more, for a sign of some sort from
outside.  but y----- didn't move or speak either.  she simply stood
there with her face upturned to the window, waiting for the man to come
to her.

   and come to her he did.  i saw him put down his pen and rise slowly
from the piano stool.  he walked to the window.  then he saw y-----.
i have spoken many times of her scintillating beauty, and the sight of
her standing out there so still and serene must have come as a glorious
shock to p------.  he stared.  he gaped.  was this a dream?  then
y----- smiled at him and that broke the spell.  i saw him come
suddenly out of his trance and i heard him say, "dio mio come bello!"
then he jumped clear out of the window and clasped y----- in a powerful
embrace.


#9 of 278 by void on Tue Mar 23 22:54:41 1999:

   here are some more hints: this author was married to an american
actress, and was also more well-known for his children's books than
for the books geared more toward adults.


#10 of 278 by valkyrie on Tue Mar 23 23:25:03 1999:

My guess is C S Lewis.  If this is right, i'll come up with something
better than Heinlein as a quote :)


#11 of 278 by md on Wed Mar 24 00:09:43 1999:

The clue describes Roald Dahl.


#12 of 278 by cyklone on Wed Mar 24 02:58:46 1999:

Damn, just missed it. I think you're right MD. It seemed very familiar.


#13 of 278 by md on Wed Mar 24 11:50:12 1999:

If that's who it is, then you can enter the next quote,
cyklone.  I didn't guess the quote, just the clue.


#14 of 278 by cyklone on Wed Mar 24 12:22:38 1999:

Well, I'm fresh out of quotes today (and we haven't gotten confirmation that
we're right), so I think I'll wait a bit . . . . .


#15 of 278 by void on Wed Mar 24 12:49:27 1999:

   roald dahl is right.  the quotations were from _my uncle oswald_.
i'll let cyklone and md decide between themselves who is next.


#16 of 278 by awwn96 on Sat Mar 27 04:58:16 1999:

quit
quit at the start of a line
?


#17 of 278 by bdh1 on Sat Mar 27 09:29:30 1999:

"Fiery the angels fell.  Deep thunder rolled along lee shores."
"Burning with the fires of Ork."


#18 of 278 by happyboy on Sat Mar 27 22:37:28 1999:

d00d...is that a zepplin t00n?


#19 of 278 by bdh1 on Tue Mar 30 09:26:56 1999:

Heh, yeah.


#20 of 278 by davel on Tue Mar 30 12:04:01 1999:

None the less, we're waiting for either cycyklone or md ...


#21 of 278 by cyklone on Tue Mar 30 12:32:28 1999:

I'll defer to anyone who wants to enter a quote (or to md).


#22 of 278 by md on Tue Mar 30 12:35:45 1999:

Oops, sorry.  Here's one:

"She says this park would make a tidy summer resort, if
there was any custom for it.  Summer resort -- another
invention of hers -- just words, without any meaning.
What is a summer resort?  But it is best not to ask her,
she has such a rage for explaining."


#23 of 278 by md on Wed Mar 31 00:04:11 1999:

Here's another one, same author of course:

"The naming goes recklessly on, in spite of anything 
I can do.  I had a very good name for the estate, and
it was musical and pretty -- Garden-of-Eden.  Privately,
I continue to call it that, but not any longer publicly.
The new creature says it is all woods and rocks and
scenery, and therefor has no resemblance to a garden.
She says it *looks* like a park, and does not look like
anything *but* a park.  Consequently, without consulting
me, it has been new-named -- Niagara Falls Park.  This
is sufficiently highhanded, it seems to me.  And already
there is a sign up:

                       KEEP OFF
                      THE GRASS

My life is not as happy as it was."


#24 of 278 by johnnie on Wed Mar 31 02:07:34 1999:

Twain.


#25 of 278 by md on Wed Mar 31 05:21:25 1999:

Got 'im!  Johnnie's up.


#26 of 278 by omni on Wed Mar 31 08:10:06 1999:

 Damn. I love that story. "The Diary of Adam and Eve".

  I especially like the last line. "Wherever she was, there was Eden."


#27 of 278 by johnnie on Thu Apr 1 00:00:16 1999:

Okay, here we go...


The young dandy was so much absorbed in his anxious quest that he did
not observe his own success; he did not hear, he did not see the
ironical exclamations of admiration, the genuine appreciation, the
biting gibes, the soft invitations of some of the masks. Though he was
so handsome as to rank among those exceptional persons who come to an
opera ball in search of an adventure, and who expect it as confidently
as men looked for a lucky coup at roulette in Frascati's day, he
seemed quite philosophically sure of his evening; he must be the hero
of one of those mysteries with three actors which constitute an opera
ball, and are known only to those who play a part in them; for, to
young wives who come merely to say, "I have seen it," to country
people, to inexperienced youths, and to foreigners, the opera house
must on those nights be the palace of fatigue and dulness. To these,
that black swarm, slow and serried--coming, going, winding, turning,
returning, mounting, descending, comparable only to ants on a pile of
wood--is no more intelligible than the Bourse to a Breton peasant who
has never heard of the Grand livre.

With a few rare exceptions, men wear no masks in Paris; a man in a
domino is thought ridiculous. In this the spirit of the nation betrays
itself. Men who want to hide their good fortune can enjoy the opera
ball without going there; and masks who are absolutely compelled to go
in come out again at once. One of the most amusing scenes is the crush
at the doors produced as soon as the dancing begins, by the rush of
persons getting away and struggling with those who are pushing in. So
the men who wear masks are either jealous husbands who come to watch
their wives, or husbands on the loose who do not wish to be watched by
them--two situations equally ridiculous.

Now, our young man was followed, though he knew it not, by a man in a
mask, dogging his steps, short and stout, with a rolling gait, like a
barrel. To every one familiar with the opera this disguise betrayed a
stock-broker, a banker, a lawyer, some citizen soul suspicious of
infidelity. For in fact, in really high society, no one courts such
humiliating proofs. Several masks had laughed as they pointed this
preposterous figure out to each other; some had spoken to him, a few
young men had made game of him, but his stolid manner showed entire
contempt for these aimless shafts; he went on whither the young man
led him, as a hunted wild boar goes on and pays no heed to the bullets
whistling about his ears, or the dogs barking at his heels.


#28 of 278 by sekari on Thu Apr 1 19:46:49 1999:

thomas pynchon?


#29 of 278 by johnnie on Thu Apr 1 23:40:30 1999:

'fraid not...


#30 of 278 by johnnie on Sat Apr 3 23:35:26 1999:

seems to be a dearth of guessing.  let's try another quote from
the same work...


At this moment journalists, dandies, and idlers were all examining the
charming subject of their bet as horse-dealers examine a horse for
sale. These connoisseurs, grown old in familiarity with every form of
Parisian depravity, all men of superior talent each his own way,
equally corrupt, equally corrupting, all given over to unbridled
ambition, accustomed to assume and to guess everything, had their eyes
centered on a masked woman, a woman whom no one else could identify.
They, and certain habitual frequenters of the opera balls, could alone
recognize under the long shroud of the black domino, the hood and
falling ruff which make the wearer unrecognizable, the rounded form,
the individuality of figure and gait, the sway of the waist, the
carriage of the head--the most intangible trifles to ordinary eyes,
but to them the easiest to discern.

In spite of this shapeless wrapper they could watch the most appealing
of dramas, that of a woman inspired by a genuine passion. Were she La
Torpille, the Duchesse de Maufrigneuse, or Madame de Serizy, on the
lowest or highest rung of the social ladder, this woman was an
exquisite creature, a flash from happy dreams. These old young men,
like these young old men, felt so keen an emotion, that they envied
Lucien the splendid privilege of working such a metamorphosis of a
woman into a goddess. The mask was there as though she had been alone
with Lucien; for that woman the thousand other persons did not exist,
nor the evil and dust-laden atmosphere; no, she moved under the
celestial vault of love, as Raphael's Madonnas under their slender
oval glory. She did not feel herself elbowed; the fire of her glance
shot from the holes in her mask and sank into Lucien's eyes; the
thrill of her frame seemed to answer to every movement of her
companion. Whence comes this flame that radiates from a woman in love
and distinguishes her above all others? Whence that sylph-like
lightness which seems to negative the laws of gravitation? Is the soul
become ambient? Has happiness a physical effluence?

The ingenuousness of a girl, the graces of a child were discernible
under the domino. Though they walked apart, these two beings suggested
the figures of Flora and Zephyr as we see them grouped by the
cleverest sculptors; but they were beyond sculpture, the greatest of
the arts; Lucien and his pretty domino were more like the angels
busied with flowers or birds, which Gian Bellini has placed beneath
the effigies of the Virgin Mother. Lucien and this girl belonged to
the realm of fancy, which is as far above art as cause is above
effect.


#31 of 278 by gjharb on Sun Apr 4 02:07:17 1999:

Could we have a hint or two about the author?


#32 of 278 by md on Sun Apr 4 12:09:57 1999:

Balzac.


#33 of 278 by remmers on Sun Apr 4 12:54:20 1999:

(Balzac would have been my guess too. Perhaps it's even right...)


#34 of 278 by johnnie on Mon Apr 5 02:11:14 1999:

Balzac is, indeed, correct.  From "Scenes From a Courtesan's Life".


#35 of 278 by md on Mon Apr 5 02:43:37 1999:

I defer to remmers, who had guessed Balzac but got
here too late, and who enters far more interesting
mystery quotes than I.


#36 of 278 by senna on Mon Apr 5 04:03:53 1999:

Balzac's a real author?  Wow.  I just remember the line from "Music 
Man."


#37 of 278 by remmers on Mon Apr 5 16:14:05 1999:

Yep, Balzac is for real. Generally regarded as one of the great 19th 
century novelists.

Hm, I should find a quote. I'll try to do that by tomorrow.


#38 of 278 by remmers on Tue Apr 6 17:23:43 1999:

This quote is from a living American writer:

             The study -- sold as a prefabricated toolshed -- is
        eight feet by ten feet. Like a plane's cockpit, it is
        crammed with high-tech equipment. There is no quill pen
        in sight. There is a computer, a printer, and a photo-
        copying machine. My backless chair, a prie-dieu on which
        I kneel, slides under the desk; I give it a little kick
        when I leave. There is an air conditioner, a heater, and
        an electric kettle. There is a low-tech bookshelf, a
        shelf of gull and whale bones, and a bed. Under the bed
        I stow paints -- a one-pint can of yellow to touch up
        the window's trim, and five or six tubes of artists'
        oils. The study affords ample room for one. One who is
        supposed to be writing books. You can read in the space
        of a coffin, and you can write in the space of a tool-
        shed meant for mowers and spades.



#39 of 278 by drewmike on Tue Apr 6 18:36:07 1999:

The Unabomber?


#40 of 278 by flem on Tue Apr 6 19:27:48 1999:

Richard Bach?


#41 of 278 by void on Wed Apr 7 00:15:56 1999:

   piers anthony?


#42 of 278 by davel on Wed Apr 7 01:06:54 1999:

I'm looking forward to finding out this one.  Nice.


#43 of 278 by mcnally on Wed Apr 7 04:51:00 1999:

  Farley Mowat?


#44 of 278 by bookworm on Wed Apr 7 05:53:58 1999:

Got me.  About all I'm reading nowadays are texts.


#45 of 278 by remmers on Wed Apr 7 09:36:55 1999:

Not the Unabomber, Richard Bach, Piers Anthony, or Farley Mowat.

Unabomber was an interesting guess, except that although he might have
worked out of a shed, he would never have had a computer or other
high-tech equipment in it. He'd likely have favored quill pens.


#46 of 278 by cconroy on Wed Apr 7 14:41:26 1999:

Sounds like a room description from an Infocom text adventure (except 
for the first-person statements).


#47 of 278 by remmers on Wed Apr 7 16:26:16 1999:

Hm, it does at that. But the quote is not from Infocom.  :)

I'll try to continue the quote later today, assuming nobody's gotten 
the author by then.


#48 of 278 by remmers on Fri Apr 9 00:53:24 1999:

Okay, here's more of the author's workplace description begun in
resp:38 - perhaps there are some clues here.

            I walk up here from the house every morning. The study
        and its pines, and the old summer cottages nearby, and the
        new farm just north of me, rise from an old sand dune high
        over a creeky salt marsh. From the bright lip of the dune
        I can see oyster farmers working their beds on the tidal
        flats and sailboats underway in the saltwater bay. After
        I have warmed myself standing at the crest of the dune, I
        return under the pines, enter the study, slam the door so
        the latch catches -- and then I cannot see. The green spot
        ini front of my eyes outshines everything in the shade. I
        lie on the bed and play with a bird bone until I can see
        it.
            Appealing workplaces are to be avoided. One wants a
        room with no view, so imagination can dance with memory in
        the dark. When I furnished this study seven years ago, I
        pushed the long desk against a blank wall, so I could not
        see from either window. Once, fifteen years ago, I wrote
        in a cinderblock cell over a parking lot. It overlooked a
        tar-and-gravel roof. This pine shed under the trees is not
        quite so good as the cinder-block study was, but it will
        do.
            "The beginning of wisdom," according to a West African
        proverb, "is to get you a roof."



#49 of 278 by flem on Fri Apr 9 04:09:26 1999:

Skinner?  :)


#50 of 278 by remmers on Fri Apr 9 10:42:20 1999:

Heh. Cute guess, but nope.


#51 of 278 by danr on Fri Apr 9 12:37:06 1999:

Annie Dillard.


#52 of 278 by remmers on Fri Apr 9 14:20:04 1999:

Yup - Annie Dillard it is. Her best known work is "Pilgrim at Tinker's 
Creek". I've been quoting from an essay published in the late 1980's.

Nice job. Dan's up.


#53 of 278 by bookworm on Fri Apr 9 23:40:44 1999:

Oooh.  I'd never have guessed that one.


#54 of 278 by danr on Sat Apr 10 00:43:03 1999:

Whoa....This is the first one I've ever gotten. :)  I do like Annie Dillard,
though.


#55 of 278 by davel on Sat Apr 10 00:54:46 1999:

(Who's Annie Dillard?  (The _Pilgrim_at_Tinker's_Creek_ I've met is unlikely
to be the one you're referring to, John.))


#56 of 278 by md on Sat Apr 10 22:58:52 1999:

I'd be very surprised to learn that there's a book with that 
name by another writer, but you never know.  

Annie Dillard had one magical book in her, _Pilgrim at Tinker Creek._
(Not "Tinker's.")  A kind of hippie or proto-New-Age _Walden_.  Her
subsequent work (like Thoreau's after _Walden_) fell so far short
of her one masterpiece that you begin to wonder where _Tinker Creek_
came from.


#57 of 278 by danr on Sat Apr 10 23:30:29 1999:

Here's the next quote:

"How beautiful and how terrible are the words with which Gods speaks to the
soul of those He has called to Himself, and to the Promised Land which is
participation in His own life--that lovely and fertile country which is the
life of grace and glory, the interior life, the mystical life. They are lovely
to those who hear and obey them: but what are they to those who hear them
without understanding or response?"


#58 of 278 by aruba on Sun Apr 11 15:01:36 1999:

Herman Hesse?


#59 of 278 by danr on Sun Apr 11 23:54:58 1999:

Not Herman Hesse.


#60 of 278 by davel on Mon Apr 12 01:11:57 1999:

I could swear I've read this one, but have no idea who it's by.

Re #56: the book I'm thinking of was given to me when I was a kid, back in
the early 1960s or so.  I think the title must be a quotation, though I don't
know the source.


#61 of 278 by aruba on Mon Apr 12 02:16:42 1999:

Umberto Eco?


#62 of 278 by mcnally on Mon Apr 12 05:40:54 1999:

 re #57:  is the "s" on the end of "Gods" in the first line of the quote
          correct or is it meant to be singular -- "God"?


#63 of 278 by danr on Mon Apr 12 12:32:24 1999:

oops. sorry.  It should indeed be 'God' and not 'Gods'.  The God being spoken
of here is the Christian God.

It's not Umberto Eco.


#64 of 278 by other on Mon Apr 12 22:42:24 1999:

i have the same feeling as davel.


#65 of 278 by danr on Mon Apr 12 22:56:07 1999:

Here's another quote:

"The monastery is a school--a school in which we learn from God how to be
happy. Our happiness consists in sharing the happiness of God, the perfection
of his unlimited freedom and the perfection of His love.
  What has to be healed in us is our true nature, made in the likeness of God.
  What we have to learn is love. The healing and the learning are the same
  thing, for at the very core of our essece we are constituted in God's
  likeness by our freedom, and the exercise of that freedom is nothing else but
  the exercise of disinterested love--the love of God for his own sake, because
  He is God.
   The beginning of love is truth, and before He will give us His love, God
   must cleanse our souls of the lies that are in them. And the most effective
   way of detaching us from ourselves is to make us detest ourselves as we have
   made ourselves by sin, in order that we may love Him reflected in our souls
   as he has remade them by His love. That is the meaning of the contemplative
   life, and the senes of all the apparently meaningless little rules and the
   observances and fasts and obediences and penances and humiliations and
   labors that go to make up the routine of existence in a contemplative
   monastery: they all serve to remind us of what we are and Who God is--that
   we may get sick of the sight of oursleves and turn to Him: and in the end,
   we will find Him in ourselves, in our own pruified natures which have become
   the mirror of his tremendous Goodness and of His endless love..."


#66 of 278 by danr on Mon Apr 12 22:57:59 1999:

Hmmmm. That indenting is kinda strange, but that's the way Backtalk formatted
the text. Each new indent level is a new paragraph.  


#67 of 278 by davel on Tue Apr 13 01:35:55 1999:

Brother Lawrence?


#68 of 278 by davel on Tue Apr 13 01:39:22 1999:

Grace (looking over my shoulder) says "maybe Thomas a' Kempis?".  (This should
count as a guess on her part, not a second guess on mine; I'm only playing
secretary here.  If it's right, she'll have to come up with quotes & type them
in herself.)


#69 of 278 by danr on Tue Apr 13 01:44:36 1999:

I'm not familiar with either Brother Lawrence or Thomas a' Kempis.  The author
does, however, have both a given name and a name which he took upon entering
the monastery.


#70 of 278 by bookworm on Tue Apr 13 03:53:30 1999:

This sounds familiar to me as well.

Is it Thomas Equinas?


#71 of 278 by aruba on Tue Apr 13 04:34:04 1999:

St. Augustine?


#72 of 278 by mcnally on Tue Apr 13 06:13:28 1999:

  Seems too touchy-feely to be Aquinas and too full of love to be Augustine.

  Is this text translated from another language?


#73 of 278 by danr on Tue Apr 13 12:26:42 1999:

Not Aquinas, not Augustine.  In fact, the two passages were written in the 20th
century--in English.


#74 of 278 by anderyn on Tue Apr 13 16:00:05 1999:

Thomas Merton?


#75 of 278 by jep on Tue Apr 13 16:02:27 1999:

C. S. Lewis?


#76 of 278 by omni on Tue Apr 13 18:15:10 1999:

  Reynolds Price?


#77 of 278 by happyboy on Tue Apr 13 19:18:55 1999:

Pee Wee Herman?


#78 of 278 by danr on Tue Apr 13 23:24:13 1999:

Thomas Merton is right!

it's top's turn.


#79 of 278 by anderyn on Wed Apr 14 00:45:56 1999:

Oh my. 
I'll enter something soon.


#80 of 278 by davel on Wed Apr 14 11:32:02 1999:

Aha.  FWIW, A' Kempis wrote _The_Imitation_of_Christ_, and Brother Lawrence
wrote _The_Practice_of_the_Presence_of_God_.  Both have been around a lot
longer than Merton.


#81 of 278 by davel on Sat Apr 24 11:23:09 1999:

> #79 Twila Oxley Price (anderyn) (Tue, Apr 13, 1999 (20:45)):
>  Oh my.
>  I'll enter something soon.

Ahem.  This does *not* qualify as "soon".


#82 of 278 by bookworm on Tue Apr 27 21:53:59 1999:

definitely not.

Twila, can I go next if you are having problems coming up with 
something?


#83 of 278 by anderyn on Wed Apr 28 01:45:55 1999:

Dang. Sorry. Will enter something tomorrow. Have it in mind.


#84 of 278 by anderyn on Thu Apr 29 00:14:10 1999:

Okay. Got a quote for you all. 

I met him first in a hurricane; and though we had gone through the hurricane
on the same schooner, it was not until the schooner had gone to pieces under
us that I first laid eyes on him. Without doubt I had seen him with the rest
of the kanaka crew on board, but I had not consciously been aware of his
existence, for the _Petite Jeanne_ was rather crowded.

More later.


#85 of 278 by mcnally on Thu Apr 29 00:25:06 1999:

  Could it be Robert Louis Stevenson?


#86 of 278 by anderyn on Thu Apr 29 00:55:57 1999:

 No, it's not. But you're in the right time period, mostly.


#87 of 278 by mcnally on Thu Apr 29 04:57:41 1999:

  Stevenson seemed like a good guess because of the Hawaiian connection..


#88 of 278 by omni on Thu Apr 29 07:20:21 1999:

 Swift?


#89 of 278 by remmers on Thu Apr 29 12:49:52 1999:

Swift was more than a bit earlier than Stevenson.

Hm, no clue at this point. I could try guessing a few authors who wrote
about the sea but will wait until I have more to go on.


#90 of 278 by anderyn on Thu Apr 29 13:31:23 1999:

Not Swift, no. 


#91 of 278 by md on Thu Apr 29 14:20:05 1999:

Jack London?


#92 of 278 by mcnally on Thu Apr 29 16:10:26 1999:

  Now there's a likely contender..


#93 of 278 by davel on Thu Apr 29 17:35:09 1999:

Kipling?


#94 of 278 by gjharb on Thu Apr 29 18:07:21 1999:

Melville?


#95 of 278 by anderyn on Thu Apr 29 20:43:41 1999:

Jack London is it. The story is called "The Heathen" and it's not
one of his typical ones, but I have always liked it.
MD, your turn!


#96 of 278 by md on Fri Apr 30 01:32:26 1999:

Okay, here's my mystery quote:

In the inside there is sleeping, in the outside 
there is reddening, in the morning there is 
meaning, in the evening there is feeling. In 
the evening there is feeling. In feeling 
anything is resting, in feeling anything is 
mounting, in feeling there is resignation, in 
feeling there is recognition, in feeling there 
is recurrence and entirely mistaken there is 
pinching. All the standards have steamers and 
all the curtains have bed linen and all the 
yellow has discrimination and all the circle 
has circling. This makes sand. 


#97 of 278 by omni on Fri Apr 30 06:16:52 1999:

  George Orwell


#98 of 278 by md on Fri Apr 30 10:33:36 1999:

Not Orwell.


#99 of 278 by remmers on Fri Apr 30 11:18:26 1999:

Dr Seuss.



Oops, almost forgot:  :)


#100 of 278 by md on Fri Apr 30 12:06:01 1999:

Not Dr Seuss.


#101 of 278 by mary on Fri Apr 30 12:15:50 1999:

(Cool quote.)


#102 of 278 by jazz on Fri Apr 30 12:27:38 1999:

        Tom Waits?


#103 of 278 by md on Fri Apr 30 12:53:15 1999:

Not Tom Waits.  Here's another quote, same
author, same work:

There is coagulation in cold and there 
is none in prudence. Something is preserved 
and the evening is long and the colder spring 
has sudden shadows in a sun. All the stain is 
tender and lilacs really lilacs are disturbed. 
Why is the perfect reestablishment practiced 
and prized, why is it composed. The result the 
pure result is juice and size and baking and 
exhibition and nonchalance and sacrifice and 
volume and a section in division and the 
surrounding recognition and horticulture and 
no murmur. This is a result. There is no 
superposition and circumstance, there is 
hardness and a reason and the rest and 
remainder. There is no delight and no 
mathematics.


#104 of 278 by aruba on Fri Apr 30 13:55:25 1999:

William Carlos Williams?


#105 of 278 by happyboy on Fri Apr 30 15:52:17 1999:

RED SOVINE!!!


#106 of 278 by md on Fri Apr 30 17:03:44 1999:

Neither William Carlos Williams nor Red Sovine.


#107 of 278 by md on Fri Apr 30 17:12:19 1999:

One more excerpt:

A light in the moon the only light is on Sunday. 
What was the sensible decision. The sensible 
decision was that notwithstanding many 
declarations and more music, not even 
notwithstanding the choice and a torch and a 
collection, notwithstanding the celebrating hat 
and a vacation and even more noise than cutting, 
notwithstanding Europe and Asia and being 
overbearing, not even notwithstanding an 
elephant and a strict occasion, not even 
withstanding more cultivation and some seasoning, 
not even with drowning and with the ocean being 
encircling, not even with more likeness and any 
cloud, not even with terrific sacrifice of 
pedestrianism and a special resolution, not even 
more likely to be pleasing. The care with which 
the rain is wrong and the green is wrong and the 
white is wrong, the care with which there is a 
chair and plenty of breathing. The care with 
which there is incredible justice and likeness, 
all this makes a magnificent asparagus, and 
also a fountain. 


#108 of 278 by bookworm on Fri Apr 30 17:21:42 1999:

Wow!  Whoever he is, this guy is prolific.


#109 of 278 by md on Fri Apr 30 17:26:00 1999:

Hint: dead white Cliffie.


#110 of 278 by remmers on Fri Apr 30 18:26:58 1999:

Re resp:108 - Yep, real prolific. Wrote at least three paragraphs.  :)


#111 of 278 by aruba on Fri Apr 30 21:07:20 1999:

What's a Cliffie?


#112 of 278 by md on Sat May 1 03:05:08 1999:

Radcliffe student or alum.


#113 of 278 by md on Sat May 1 03:11:08 1999:

Hint: The work quoted was published in 1914.


#114 of 278 by tuwanda on Sat May 1 06:35:13 1999:

It's beginning to look like the obscure
quote item.


#115 of 278 by omni on Sat May 1 07:04:49 1999:

  How about Helen Keller?
Didn't she go to Radcliffe?


#116 of 278 by md on Sat May 1 10:41:38 1999:

Not Helen Keller.  This author had her portrait
painted by Picasso a few years before she wrote 
the book I'm quoting from.  She was anything but
obscure, although I admit most people haven't
read this particular book, which is said to be
influenced by cubism.  


#117 of 278 by happyboy on Sat May 1 18:26:08 1999:

gertrude stein


#118 of 278 by md on Sat May 1 19:10:17 1999:

Gertrude Stein is right.  The quotes are from
"Tender Buttons."  The Reverend is up.


#119 of 278 by happyboy on Sat May 1 21:20:24 1999:

the picasso info was a gimmee:)

a fragment:

When ranting round in Pleasure's ring,
  Religion may be blinded;
Or if she gie a random sting,
  It may be little minded;
But when on Life we're tempest-driv'n-
  A conscience but a canker-
A correspondence fix'd wi' Heav'n
  Is sure a noble anchor!


#120 of 278 by tuwanda on Sun May 2 08:00:02 1999:

Donne?  


#121 of 278 by remmers on Sun May 2 11:39:25 1999:

Sounds kinda Robert Burns-ish.


#122 of 278 by happyboy on Sun May 2 20:59:40 1999:

remmers is RIGHT-O-ROONY!


#123 of 278 by remmers on Mon May 3 10:45:19 1999:

What clued me was "gie" for "give", a bit of Scottish dialect I've seen
in other Burns poems.  ("Oh would some power the giftie gie us...")

Oh dear, this means I come up with another quote. I'll try to do that
later today.


#124 of 278 by bookworm on Wed May 5 00:32:34 1999:

I like Burns, but the only poem of his I'm familiar with is the "Red, 
Red Rose" poem.


#125 of 278 by flem on Wed May 5 23:45:02 1999:

re 103:  There is *so* mathematics.  :)


#126 of 278 by remmers on Thu May 6 00:08:39 1999:

Okay, here's my quote du jour:

     Having put his religious house in order, Mohammed now began to
enjoy his power as the undisputed ruler of a large number of Arab
tribes. But success has been the undoing of a large number of men who
were great in the days of adversity. He tried to gain the good will of
the rich people by a number of regulations which could appeal to those
of wealth. He allowed the Faithful to have four wives. As one wife was a
costly investment in those olden days when brides were bought directly
from the parents, four wives became a positive luxury except to those
who possessed camels and dromedaries and date orchards beyond the dreams
of avarice. A religion which at first had been meant for the hardy
hunters of the high-skied desert was gradually transformed to suit the
needs of the smug merchants who lived in the bazaars of the cities. It
was a regrettable change from the original program and it did very
little good to the cause of Hohammedanism. As for the prophet himself,
he went on preaching the truth of Allah and proclaiming new rules of
conduct until he died, quite suddenly, of a fever on June the seventh of
the year 632.


#127 of 278 by remmers on Thu May 6 00:15:18 1999:

(Spelling correction: should be "Mohammedanism" in 3rd from last line.)


#128 of 278 by mcnally on Thu May 6 00:45:55 1999:

  hmmm..  the sentiment sounds modern, but "Mohammedanism" suggests that
  this passage was written a while back (the term is not much in fashion
  these days and is probably pretty offensive to Moslems..)



#129 of 278 by remmers on Thu May 6 09:43:42 1999:

Right - it's 20th century, but not recent.


#130 of 278 by flem on Thu May 6 18:51:55 1999:

Bertrand Russell?  


#131 of 278 by remmers on Thu May 6 22:13:45 1999:

Not Bertrand Russell. But like Russell, the author is deceased.


#132 of 278 by jep on Fri May 7 01:48:52 1999:

There goes my Salman Rushdie guess... C. S. Lewis?


#133 of 278 by mcnally on Fri May 7 05:24:03 1999:

  T.E. Lawrence?


#134 of 278 by remmers on Fri May 7 11:34:17 1999:

Neither Lewis nor Lawrence.  I'll post another quote soon.


#135 of 278 by sogypant on Fri May 7 13:41:29 1999:

Kind of out of topic, but could anyone send me some URLS about Charles
Dickens' works?  I need to do a project for High School and I am doing it on
how Pip and other children are treated during his time.  I'd appreciate if
you send it to me via email.  I am sogypant@grex.cyberspace or something (I
I need





#136 of 278 by jep on Fri May 7 14:40:22 1999:

Go to any search engine and type in "Charles Dickens".  You will get 
more information than all of us here could provide you if we each 
dedicated ourselves to nothing else for a week.


#137 of 278 by i on Fri May 7 23:49:27 1999:

H. G. Wells?


#138 of 278 by remmers on Sat May 8 11:17:24 1999:

Not H. G. Wells. Good guess though. Here's another quote:

     Outwardly, the Roman state during the first century of our era was
a magnificent political structure, so large that Alexander's empire
became one of its minor provinces. Underneath this glory there lived
millions upon millions of poor and tired human beings, toiling like ants
who have built a nest underneath a heavy stone. They worked for the
benefit of someone else. They shared their food with the animals of the
fields. They lived in stables. They died without hope.
     It was the seven hundred and fifty-third year since the founding of
Rome. Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus Augustus was living in the palace
of the Palatine Hill, busily engaged upon the task of ruling his empire.
     In a little village of distant Syria, Mary, the wife of Joseph the
Carpenter, was tending her little boy, born in a stable of Bethlehem.
     This is a strange world.
     Before long, the palace and the stable were to meet in open combat.
     And the stable was to emerge victorious.


#139 of 278 by flem on Sat May 8 18:47:38 1999:

What a fascinating quote.  


#140 of 278 by dang on Sat May 8 20:01:42 1999:

I agree.  


#141 of 278 by mcnally on Sun May 9 04:58:02 1999:

  Gibbon?


#142 of 278 by remmers on Sun May 9 12:39:05 1999:

Not Gibbon. Our author is 20th century, remember.

Here's another quote, from the same work as the previous two:

     The majority of the Indian people, therefore, lived in misery.
Since this planet offered them very little joy, salvation from
suffering must be found elsewhere. They tried to derive a little
consolation from meditataion upon the bliss of their future
existence.
     Brahma, the all-creator who was regarded by the Indian people
as the supreme ruler of life and death, was worshipped as the
highest level of perfection. To become like Brahma, to lose all
desires for riches and power, was recognised as the most exalted
purpose of existence. Holy thoughts were regarded as more important
than holy deeds, and many people went into the desert and lived
upon the leaves of trees and starved their bodies that they might
feed their souls with the glorious contemplation of the splendours
of Brahma, the Wise, the Good and the Merciful.
     Siddhartha, who had often observed these solitary wanderers
who were seeking the truth far away from the turmoil of the cities
and the villages, decided to follow their example. He cut his hair.
He took his pearls and his rubies and sent them back to his family
with a message of farewell, which the ever faithful Channa carried.
Without a single follower, the young prince then moved into the
wilderness.


#143 of 278 by sjones on Sun May 9 17:23:53 1999:

huxley?

and i nearly made the gibbon slip, too...:)


#144 of 278 by remmers on Sun May 9 17:28:46 1999:

Not any Huxley.

Hint: Pay close attention to the style.


#145 of 278 by davel on Mon May 10 00:01:13 1999:

Well, the style is not particularly familiar to me, so that's no help.  But
I'll guess: Toynbee?  I never actually read him, I admit.


#146 of 278 by remmers on Mon May 10 01:14:55 1999:

Not Toynbee.


#147 of 278 by md on Mon May 10 15:52:03 1999:

The style doesn't bring any particular writer to mind,
at least not the way Robert Burns jumped out of the
previous quote.  The tone, however, is reformist or 
socialist.  


#148 of 278 by gjharb on Mon May 10 21:05:09 1999:

Mitchner?


#149 of 278 by dang on Mon May 10 22:46:08 1999:

Russell?


#150 of 278 by remmers on Tue May 11 11:50:07 1999:

Not Michener or Russell.

Although he wrote other things, the author is primarily known for a
single work, the one from which I've been quoting. (The previous quotes
are in resp:126, resp:138, and resp:142.)

Regarding style and tone, ask yourself: To what sort of audience might
the quotes be addressed?

Here's another quote, from the same work:

     Napoleon was what is called a fast worker. His career does not
cover more than twenty years. In that short span of time he fought more
wars and gained more victories and marched more miles and conquered more
square kilometers and killed more people and brought about more reforms
and generally upset Europe to a greater extent than anybody (including
Alexander the Great and Jenghis Khan) had ever managed to do.
     He was a little fellow and during the first years of his life his
health was not very good. He never impressed anybody by his good looks
and he remained to the end of his days very clumsy whenever he was
obliged to appear at a social function. He did not enjoy a single
advantage of breeding or birth or riches. For the greater part of his
youth he was desperately poor and often he had to go without a meal or
was obliged to make a few extra pennies in curious ways.
     He gave little promise as a literary genius. When he competed for a
prize offered by the Academy of Lyons, his essay was found to be next to
the last and he was number 15 out of 16 candidates. But he overcame all
these difficulties through his absolute and unshakable belief in his own
destiny, and in his own glorious future. Ambition was the main-spring of
his life. The thought of self, the worship of that capital letter "N"
with which he signed all his letters, and which recorred forever in the
ornaments of his hastily constructed palaces, the absolute will to make
the name Napoleon the most important thing in the world next to the name
of God, these desires carried Napoleon to a pinnacle of fame which no
other man has ever reached.


#151 of 278 by remmers on Tue May 11 14:55:17 1999:

(Hm, word in 5th from last line should be "recurred", not "recorred".)


#152 of 278 by md on Tue May 11 15:08:04 1999:

The audience it might've been addressed to
depends on when it was written.  American
grade school kids fifty years ago; nowadays, 
the brighter college graduates.  The tone is of 
someone who has a lot of depth talking down 
to a relatively uneducated audience.  (Whether 
the writer really did have a lot of depth is not 
evident.)  It's too breezy for a textbook.  More 
like pop history of some kind.  I give up.


#153 of 278 by rcurl on Tue May 11 15:12:06 1999:

That's from Hendrik Willem van Loon's _The Story of Mankind_, one of the
most entertaining history books ever written - and illustrated. Since he
wrote some 30 books, 3 of which made the "best-seller" list (_Story_, and
_The Arts_ and _Van Loon's Geography_)., John's saying he is known
"primarily known for a single work" is just a reflection of the usual
historical erosion of human accomplishments. I liked his _Geography_ best
when I was a kid - probably because of the illustrations. _Story_ was
published in 1921 and went through 30 editions. [I collected van Loon's
books at one time.]



#154 of 278 by md on Tue May 11 15:17:22 1999:

I have never read a word of van Loon's writings, to my
knowledge, prior to this item.  Don't know if that makes
me part of the erosive process or just a victim.  


#155 of 278 by rcurl on Tue May 11 15:32:19 1999:

His name, by the way, is pronounced like "fun loan". The oo in Dutch
is, very logically, pronounced as a long O. That's why we have the
word boat in English, which in Dutch is spelled boot. Lan Loon was a
Dutchman who emigrated to USA, got degreres at Cornell and Harvard,
and worked as a war journalist, among other things. 

Now, if I am right...I have a book lined up...


#156 of 278 by davel on Wed May 12 11:46:28 1999:

Hmm.  I read that book when I was in grade school, I think.  I remember
nothing of it.


#157 of 278 by remmers on Thu May 13 11:12:00 1999:

Yep, the quotes are from _The Story of Mankind_, written and illustrated
by Hendrik Willem van Loon. I think it's fair to call it "pop history",
as Michael does. It was written for children and was one of my favorite
books when I was a kid. I still find it to be fun reading. I do remember
reading van Loon's _The Arts_ as well, and liking it.

_The Story of Mankind_ was, incidentally, the basis of what is a
purportedly awful 1957 movie of the same name, featuring Ronald Colman,
Vincent Price, Virginia Mayo, the Marx Brothers, and Dennis Hopper (!).

Rane's up.


#158 of 278 by rcurl on Thu May 13 15:44:18 1999:

"It is a long time since I last wrote anything in this book of mine. That
is because things have happened which strongly affected my life and made it
impossible for me to continue with my notes. I could not even get hold of
them, and only now have I had them brought to me here.

"I am sitting chained to the wall in one of the castle dungeons. Until
recently, my hands were also manacled, though that was quite superfluous. I
could not possibly escape. But it was ment to aggravate my punishment. Now
at last I have been freed from them. I do not know why. I have not asked for
it, I have asked for nothing. Thus it is a little more bearable now, though
my condition has not changed. I have persuaded Anselmo my jailer to fetch my
writing materials and notes from the dwarfs' apartment so that I may have some
slight recreation by occupying myself with them. He may have risked something
by getting them for me, for though my hands have been freed it is not at all
certain that they do not begruge me this little pastime. As he sasid, he has
not right to grant me anything, howeever much he may wish it. But he is an
obliging and very simpl;e fellow, so at last I managed to persuade him to do
it. 

"I have read through my notes from the beginning, a little every date. It has
been a certain satisfaction thus to relive my own and several others' lives
and once again meditate over everything in the silent hours. I shall now try
to continue from where I left off and thus provide  myself with a little
variety in my somewhat monotonous existence."


#159 of 278 by mcnally on Thu May 13 16:23:58 1999:

  Dumas?


#160 of 278 by rcurl on Thu May 13 16:46:31 1999:

The younger or elder? Well, I'll give you two for one: a good guess, but
no banana. However, like both Dumases (?), the author is a dead white
male that did not write in English. 


#161 of 278 by aruba on Thu May 13 18:12:45 1999:

Hmmm, that eliminates Poe, who would have been my guess.


#162 of 278 by md on Thu May 13 20:18:49 1999:

It has to be Lagerkvist.  


#163 of 278 by rcurl on Thu May 13 20:19:07 1999:

You are correct - not Poe. However, the author was undoubtedly influenced by
Poe.


#164 of 278 by rcurl on Thu May 13 20:20:50 1999:

A new record - it is from _The Dwarf_, by Par Lagerkvist (1951 Nobel
Prize winner in literature). I guess I gave too much away too soon...
Back to Michael..


#165 of 278 by md on Fri May 14 03:09:55 1999:

Here's my quote.

"About nine an appearance very unusual began to 
demand our attention, a shower of cobwebs falling 
from very elevated regions, and continuing, without 
any interruption, till the close of the day. These 
webs were not single filmy threads, floating in the 
air in all directions, but perfect flakes or rags; 
some near an inch broad, and five or six long, which 
fell with a degree of velocity which showed they 
were considerably heavier than the atmosphere.

"On every side as the observer turned his eyes might 
he behold a continual succession of fresh flakes 
falling into his sight, and twinkling like stars as 
they turned their sides towards the sun."


#166 of 278 by md on Fri May 14 13:38:31 1999:

Here's another quote:

"At the foot of this hill, one stage or step from 
the uplands, lies the village, which consists of 
one single straggling street, three-quarters of 
a mile in length, in a sheltered vale, and running 
parallel with the Hanger. The houses are 
divided from the hill by a vein of stiff clay (good 
wheat-land), yet stand on a rock of white stone, 
little in appearance removed from chalk; but 
seems so far from being calcareous, that it 
endures extreme heat. Yet that the freestone 
still preserves somewhat that is analogous to 
chalk, is plain from the beeches which descend 
as low as those rocks extend, and no farther, 
and thrive as well on them, where the ground is 
steep, as on the chalks.

"The cart-way of the village divides, in a 
remarkable manner, two very incongruous soils. 
To the south-west is a rank-clay, that requires the 
labour of years to render it mellow; while the 
gardens to the north-east, and small enclosures 
behind, consist of a warm, forward, crumbling 
mould, called black malm, which seems highly 
saturated with vegetable and animal manure; 
and these may perhaps have been the original 
site of the town; while the wood and coverts might 
extend down to the opposite bank."


#167 of 278 by rcurl on Fri May 14 15:00:36 1999:

Sounds like rural southern England. 


#168 of 278 by md on Fri May 14 17:15:37 1999:

Excellent.   According to the village's official
web site, it's "on the B3006, and surrounded by 
the most beautiful countryside, yet easily 
accessible from the A3, M3, A31 and A27. 
There is free parking in the village car park 
which also accommodates coaches."  (The
place has become a bit of a tourist mecca
for those wishing to see the village and the
above-mentioned Hanger, and tread the very 
path cut by the author and his brother.)


#169 of 278 by rcurl on Fri May 14 18:43:06 1999:

I'll try, Jane Austen.


#170 of 278 by md on Fri May 14 19:10:29 1999:

Not Jane Austen.  


#171 of 278 by rcurl on Fri May 14 20:50:05 1999:

(..and I can't read. It said, "the author and HIS brother" (emphasis added).)


#172 of 278 by md on Fri May 14 21:07:42 1999:

True.  Anyway, he's a dead white Brit.


#173 of 278 by md on Fri May 14 21:22:29 1999:

He was of an older generation than Austen, too.
I haven't looked up their dates, but I doubt
if they overlap.  Here's one last quote:

"The grasshopper-lark began his sibilous note 
in my fields last Saturday. Nothing can be more 
amusing than the whisper of this little bird, 
which seems to be close by though at an hundred 
yards distance; and, when close at your ear, is 
scarce any louder than when a great way off. 
Had I not been a little acquainted with insects, 
and known that the grasshopper kind is not yet 
hatched, I should have hardly believed but that 
it had been a locust whispering in the bushes. 
The country people laugh when you tell them that 
it is the note of a bird. It is a most artful 
creature, skulking in the thickest part of a 
bush; and will sing at a yard distance, provided 
it be concealed. I was obliged to get a person 
to go on the other side of the hedge where it 
haunted; and then it would run, creeping like a 
mouse, before us for a hundred yards together, 
through the bottom of the thorns; yet it would 
not come into fair sight: but in a morning early, 
and when undisturbed, it sings on the top of a 
twig, gaping and shivering with its wings. 
Mr. Ray himself had no knowledge of this bird, 
but received his account from Mr. Johnson, who 
apparently confounds it with the reguli non 
cristati, from which it is very distinct. See 
Ray's Philosophical Letters, p. 108."


#174 of 278 by remmers on Fri May 14 23:18:58 1999:

Older than Austen, eh? And here I was going to guess Thomas
Hardy.

Whoever it is appears to be quite the naturalist. I wonder if
that's what he's primarily known for.


#175 of 278 by davel on Sat May 15 01:35:52 1999:

Wild guess: Boswell?


#176 of 278 by md on Sat May 15 03:13:52 1999:

Not Boswell, not Hardy.  Yes, he is primarily
known as a nature writer.  His book is as
readable and charming throughout as these
quotes suggest.  It used to be more popular
than it is now, and is said to have influenced
Thoreau.


#177 of 278 by rcurl on Sat May 15 04:05:23 1999:

Gilbert White, _The Natural History of Selborne_. I was looking further
south, in Dorset, but Hampshire was more fruitful. I don't think I've
read any of White (except here). 


#178 of 278 by md on Sat May 15 12:25:45 1999:

Gilbert White it is.  I'm a little surprised
Rane doesn't have a well-read copy of The
Natural History of Selborne gathering dust on
a shelf of childhood favorites.  Here's what
the charmingly named Hantsweb has to say about
Selborne:

"The attractive village of Selborne and its 
beautiful countryside is famous for its 
association with the 18th century naturalist 
Gilbert White. In his book The Natural History 
of Selborne, he meticulously records his 
observations on the plants, birds and animals 
of this lovely part of Hampshire.

"The Reverend Gilbert White (1720-1793) is 
regarded as England's first ecologist. He lived 
at "The Wakes" most of his life. The rooms have 
been furnished in the 18th century style and 
include items of his furniture, beautifully 
embroidered bed hangings and portraits of his 
family. The original manuscript is also on display."

Highly recommended if you ever get over there.
The book is very highly recommended.

Rane's up.


#179 of 278 by md on Sat May 15 12:27:26 1999:

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#180 of 278 by md on Sat May 15 12:27:57 1999:

See http://www.hants.gov.uk/ for more on 
today's Selborne and Hampshire.)


#181 of 278 by rcurl on Sat May 15 16:33:10 1999:

I have to ransack my library for something I haven't already used...it is
getting tougher. It might take a couple of days as I will be tied up later
today and tomorrow. 



#182 of 278 by davel on Sat May 15 23:56:27 1999:

Hmm.  I doubt my library is *that* much bigger than yours, Rane, & I'm a long
way from running out.  Of course, a good many would be unreasonably obscure
in this environment, but ...


#183 of 278 by rcurl on Sun May 16 02:34:48 1999:

If you excluded all your sci fi books, and me all my cave books, I think
both our libraries would be much smaller....  :)


#184 of 278 by remmers on Sun May 16 11:06:37 1999:

<remmers hopes rane doesn't post a quote from a cave book>


#185 of 278 by rcurl on Mon May 17 14:39:50 1999:

    Night divine, O night of love,
    O smile on our caresses;
    Moon and stars keep watch above
    This radiant night of love!
    Moments fly, and ne'er return,
    Our joys, alas! are fleeting;
    Only memory's touch will burn
    For hours that ne'er return.
    Zehpyrs passion-stirred,
    Waft to us loving greeting,
    Zephyrs passion-stirred
    Heed our tenderest word.
    Night divine, O night of love,
    O smile on our caresses;
    Moon and stars keep watch above
    This radiant night of love.


#186 of 278 by davel on Mon May 17 21:09:58 1999:

Aaargh.  I think I've read it ... & have no idea.


#187 of 278 by rcurl on Wed May 19 19:56:14 1999:

Hello? Anyone out there? See? I didn't choose from a cave book, so what
more could you ask? If you start from guesses, I can start (mis?)leading.


#188 of 278 by lilmo on Wed May 19 21:53:50 1999:

I ahve no idea, so I'll ahve ts start wtih the random guesses:  Virgil?


#189 of 278 by rcurl on Thu May 20 00:04:28 1999:

Not Virgil - much more recent too. All of you know something of the work
from which it comes.


#190 of 278 by dang on Thu May 20 01:02:07 1999:

Shakespear


#191 of 278 by flem on Thu May 20 02:24:05 1999:

On a second look, it seems like it may be a verse of a song.  Based on 
that, I throw out this unlikely guess:  Adolphe Adam.


#192 of 278 by rcurl on Thu May 20 03:45:14 1999:

Not Shakespear. However, it is indeed a verse of a song, but not by
Adam (who I also don't know). I thought, in choosing it, that just
the cadance of the words would give away the melody, it is so well
known. In fact, I haven't been able now to get the tune out of my
head.


#193 of 278 by senna on Thu May 20 04:03:08 1999:

Paul McCartney?


#194 of 278 by rcurl on Thu May 20 16:00:41 1999:

Not McCartney, but like McCartney, a white male.


#195 of 278 by gjharb on Thu May 20 19:10:26 1999:

It reminds me of the Christmas Carol "O Holy Night".


#196 of 278 by gjharb on Thu May 20 19:13:26 1999:

Is this quote by chance from an opera?


#197 of 278 by rcurl on Fri May 21 00:31:17 1999:

In what way does it remind you of "O Holy Night"?

What makes you think the quote is from an opera? (We usually avoid the "20
questions" approach here, but make observations about form, style,
subject, of course author, etc, which may nor may not be supported). Well,
just this time....that is a provocative question, the answer to which
might just be 'yes'. 



#198 of 278 by senna on Fri May 21 00:44:57 1999:

Andrew Lloyd Webber?


#199 of 278 by rcurl on Fri May 21 05:30:02 1999:

Not Webber.


#200 of 278 by senna on Fri May 21 07:51:48 1999:

Stephen Sondheim? :)  


#201 of 278 by remmers on Fri May 21 10:41:40 1999:

I suspect it's from an earlier composer than either Webber or Sondheim,
but have no particular clue as to who it might be.


#202 of 278 by md on Fri May 21 11:29:15 1999:

Me neither.  It's the sort of sugary hackneyed verse 
that makes me ill, so I can't go back a reread it.  Is it 
a translation or something?


#203 of 278 by rcurl on Fri May 21 17:11:05 1999:

Not Sondheim, and it is earlier than either. It is also a translation.
Here is another selection from the same work:

   Sweet avowal, pledge of our love,
   You are mine, our hearts foever are united.
   Ah! do you comprehend this eternal joy
   Of silent hearts?
   Living, to be one in soul, and with a single flight
   To soar to heaven:
   Ah, let my flame
   Bring warmth into your day
   Open your soul
   To the rays of love!
   (stage direction)
   You flee from me? What have I done?
   You do not answer....
   Speak! Have I wounded you? Ah!
   I'll follow your steps!

(..its not all sweetness and light..)


#204 of 278 by md on Fri May 21 17:20:30 1999:

Well, at least that one didn't have zephyrs.


#205 of 278 by senna on Fri May 21 17:22:00 1999:

(just covering my rock opera options)


#206 of 278 by rcurl on Fri May 21 17:30:19 1999:

Zephyrs sell...it might help to know the work has been made into a movie.


#207 of 278 by davel on Sat May 22 01:09:19 1999:

Well, *that* one sounds a bit like Gilbert, but the first one did not.  But
I guess I'll guess him anyway.


#208 of 278 by rcurl on Sat May 22 04:24:52 1999:

Not Gilbert, but you got them both pegged as comic opera librettists, and
they also flourished in the same period. 


#209 of 278 by remmers on Sat May 22 11:35:54 1999:

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#210 of 278 by md on Sat May 22 23:51:46 1999:

Okay, a dead white male who wrote comic
opera libretti in the late 19th century
in some language other than English.
Does anyone have a list of them guys?


#211 of 278 by rcurl on Sun May 23 00:53:20 1999:

This guy wrote or collaborated on the libretti for at least seven operas,
if that helps....


#212 of 278 by arianna on Sun May 23 03:55:32 1999:

It deosn't sound much like Menotti...he's not quite as cliche...
And I'd guess Kurt Weill, though that's a shot in the dark...


#213 of 278 by rcurl on Sun May 23 05:03:34 1999:

Not Weill.

Maybe if I hum a little of the melody....

mm m mm m | m-m m mm m | m-m m mm m | mmm mm o |


#214 of 278 by rcurl on Sun May 23 05:52:38 1999:

I meant to also say that, while Weill was a composer, this libettist was
not, to my knowledge, a composer (though it is hard to find biographical
information about librettists, as you have probably found out...).


#215 of 278 by md on Sun May 23 11:18:01 1999:

R. Strauss's librettist was Hofmannsthal.
Bizet's librettist for Carmen I don't know,
but it was based on a novel by Merimeee'.

Is it Offenbach's librettist?


#216 of 278 by rcurl on Sun May 23 16:12:39 1999:

Who was Offenbach's librettist?


#217 of 278 by omni on Sun May 23 18:37:55 1999:

who was Lotte Lenya?


#218 of 278 by rcurl on Sun May 23 18:49:38 1999:

Not Lenya.


#219 of 278 by rtg on Mon May 24 00:29:20 1999:

Possibly Berthold Brecht?


#220 of 278 by rcurl on Mon May 24 04:53:23 1999:

A very good notion - an actually well known librettist (and author and
poet...). But a several generations later, so not Brecht.


#221 of 278 by md on Mon May 24 10:37:41 1999:

I think he means Brecht was several generations
later.  Was this person French? 


#222 of 278 by rcurl on Mon May 24 15:39:13 1999:

Yes...this author is several generations *earlier* than Brecht. Sorry. 

Direct questions have not been the traditional way to play this game, but
rather to draw interpretations from quotes, or comparative deductions, and
then have those affirmed or denied. I've been struggling with how to
answer direct yes-no questions (apart from those about the author's name).
Michael asked earlier whether this author was Offenbach's librettist.
Offenbach wrote more than 100 operas and had dozens of librettists....was
this author one of them? OK, yes. [I have already confirmed that in a
Jeopardian manner.] Now, can you deduce from the quotes given, which
librettist of those dozens this is? 

I thought the author's work I've been quoting would have been the best
clue to his identify, but here is an original quote from a different work:

  Rien!.. - En vain j'interroge, en mon ardente veille,
  La nature et le Createur;
  Pas une voix ne glisse a mon oreille
  Un mot consolateur!
  J'ai langui triste et solitaire,
  Sans pouvoir briser le lien
  Qui m'attache encore a la terre!..
  Je ne vois rien! - Je ne sais rien!..

(There are few more famous opening lines in opera.)


#223 of 278 by remmers on Mon May 24 21:52:15 1999:

Another yes/no question: Is this person well known in his own right?


#224 of 278 by flem on Tue May 25 00:13:49 1999:

Jules Barbier?


#225 of 278 by rcurl on Tue May 25 01:03:45 1999:

Jules Barbier it is - or Michel Carre'. The "sugary hackneyed verse"
of the first selection (_O NIght of Love_) is accompanied by the
Barcarolle, from Offenbach's Tales of Hoffman. The second selection
is also from Tales, while the last are the opening area from Gounod's
Faust. Carre is better known as a dramatist and poet, and his
later librettist career was mostly in collaboration with Barbier. 
My RCA Book of the Opera lists only Barbier as the Tales librettist,
while a playbill I have from a recent performance lists both Barbier
and Carre'. I haven't dug further to straighten this out.

You're up, flem. What was your route of deduction?


#226 of 278 by mcnally on Tue May 25 02:02:06 1999:

  I knew those seemed familiar..  (Opera Grand Rapids produced "Tales of
  Hoffmann" this winter and Gounod's "Faust" last year..)  Just couldn't
  place them..


#227 of 278 by flem on Thu May 27 05:37:09 1999:

Cool!  

The French version seemed very familiar to me, and I was almost certain 
that I had heard it sung at some point (I have).  Thinking on it, I 
realized that the only Offenbach opera I've heard is "Tales of 
Hoffmann", and from there it wasn't hard to find the name of the 
librettist.  Also, by way of confirmation, a quick internet search 
revealed his name in connection with several other operas, which would 
seem to confirm another clue.  

I'll have something tomorrow (er, today...), as I just stepped out of 
the car after a fourteen hour drive.  Ugh.  


#228 of 278 by flem on Thu May 27 17:33:14 1999:

Okay, here we go.

    As has already been explained, our camp was between the two rivers 
  ----- and -----, which were about thirty miles apart.  Neither of 
  these rivers could be crossed, and so we were forced to remain in this 
  confined space.  The states which were on friendly terms with us were 
  unable to send us grain; some of our own people, who had gone out for 
  quite a distance to bring in supplies, were cut off by the floods and 
  could not get back; and the large convoys of provisions coming in from 
  ----- and ---- could not reach the camp.  It was also the worst 
  possible time of the year.  There was no grain left in the winter 
  stocks, and the new harvest was not quite ripe.  The neighboring 
  tribes had been drained of supplies, since A------- had had nearly all 
  the grain taken to ------ before I arrived, and what little was left 
  had been used up by us in the last few days.  Meat might have been a 
  possible substitute for the grain which we lacked, but we could not 
  even get meat because the people of the neighborhood had driven off 
  their cattle as soon as the war began.  And those of our men who went 
  out to look for fodder and grain were attacked by ---------- light 
  infantry and ------- targeteers, who knew the country well and had no 
  difficulty in crossing the rivers, since they regularly carried with 
  them on active service bladders which could be used as floats.  


#229 of 278 by md on Thu May 27 20:12:29 1999:

Grant or Sherman?


#230 of 278 by swa on Fri May 28 01:42:59 1999:

Whassisname.  Greek guy.


#231 of 278 by flem on Fri May 28 04:18:38 1999:

Not Grant, not Sherman. 


#232 of 278 by rcurl on Fri May 28 04:58:19 1999:

I think it might be 18th century.


#233 of 278 by mcnally on Fri May 28 17:21:06 1999:

  re #230:  perhaps you're thinking Thucydides?


#234 of 278 by rcurl on Fri May 28 18:20:28 1999:

Washington


#235 of 278 by flem on Sat May 29 06:53:04 1999:

Not Thucydides, not Washington.  

I'd post another quote, but I don't have the book handy.  I'll try to 
get one tomorrow (again, technically today), but may not succeed.

The author is, as all authors guessed so far have been, deceased.  


#236 of 278 by remmers on Sat May 29 12:10:34 1999:

I suspect the setting is the American Civil War, but beyond that I have
no clue.


#237 of 278 by rcurl on Sat May 29 16:27:54 1999:

Clark


#238 of 278 by swa on Sun May 30 03:20:07 1999:

Re 233: Actually, I'm not sure if I was thinking Thucydides or Herodotus...
I had a weird mingling of names running through my head.

Did someone guess Grant yet?  Grant!  <swa enjoys randomly throwing names into
the air... ignorance is bliss>


#239 of 278 by flem on Sun May 30 21:29:35 1999:

Not Clark, Thucydides, Herodotus, or Grant.  

Here is another quote, from a different but similar writing.  

    I myself was a long way away from the scene of action when I 
  received the news of these events from C------.  For the time being I 
  ordered warships to be built in the river L----, which flows into the 
  Atlantic, crews to be raised in the Province, and steersmen and 
  sailors to be assembled.  These orders were quickly carried out, and 
  as soon as the season allowed, I set out myself to join the army.  The 
  V----- and the other states allied with them heard of my arrival.  At 
  the same time they began to realize the gravity of the crime which 
  they had committed.   The title of envoy has always among all nations 
  been a uarantee of safety; yet they had detained our envoys and thrown 
  them into prison.  So now they began to prepare for war on a scale 
  proportionate to the danger with which they were faced.  They gave 
  particular attention toward fashioning every kind of provision for 
  their fleet, all the more hopefully because they relied very much on 
  the strength of their position geographically.  They know that on land 
  the roads were intersected by tidal estuaries and that on sea our 
  navigation would be handicapped by our ignorance of local conditions 
  and by the scarcity of harbors.  They felt sure too that the mere 
  shortage of grain would prevent our army from staying in their country 
  for long.  And even if things turned out quite differently from what 
  they expected, they still had their very formidable sea power, whereas 
  we had no ships available and no knowledge of the shoals, harbors, and 
  islands in the area where fighting would have to take place.  They 
  could see too that to carry out naval operations in the vast open 
  spaces of the Atlantic was a very different thing from sailing in a 
  landlocked sea like the Mediterannean.

This should make it clear, among other things, that the setting is not 
the American Civil War.  In fact, the author did not write in English at 
all.  


#240 of 278 by rcurl on Mon May 31 02:30:11 1999:

Napolean.


#241 of 278 by flem on Mon May 31 06:06:23 1999:

Not Napoleon


#242 of 278 by md on Mon May 31 11:25:58 1999:

A monarch who had headaches from "the V------," 
which I assume means the Vikings.  That's a lot
of monarchs, unfortunately.  I'll guess Charlemagne.


#243 of 278 by lowclass on Mon May 31 12:14:16 1999:

        I DOn"T know who, but I'll venture a couple guesses as to when.

1. Spanish armada, during the war between Spain and England.

2. War of 1812.

#. Revolutionary war. Possibly John Laffite?


#244 of 278 by janc on Mon May 31 17:01:52 1999:

Julius Caesar


#245 of 278 by flem on Mon May 31 17:19:20 1999:

Julius Caesar is correct.  The V------ tribe was the Veneti, located on 
the westernmost protrusion of what is now France.  The first quotation 
was from the Civil Wars, the second from the Gallic Wars.  It is 
interesting that the language of military campaigns has changed so 
little in the 2000 years since this was written; these quotations were 
very easily mistaken for more or less modern military situations.  With 
the exception of words like "centurion" and "legion", I've found this to 
be fairly consistently the case in this book.  

Jan is up!


#246 of 278 by janc on Mon May 31 21:40:21 1999:

I once read an abridged version of "The Gallic Wars" in Latin.

A quotation:

  ...followed by Biskaine and the negroes, [Sakr-el-Bahr] made his way down
from that eyrie that had served him so well.  He sprang from red oak to cork-
tree and from cork-tree to red oak; he leapt from rock to rock, or lowered
himself from ledge to ledge, gripping a handful of heath or a projecting
stone, but all with the speed and nimbleness of an ape.  He dropped at last
to the beach, then sped across it at a run, and went bounding along a black
reef until he stood alongside of the galliot which had been left behind by
the other corsair vessels.  She awaited him in deep water, the length of her
oars from the rock, and as he came alongside, these oars were brought up to
the horizontal, and held there firmly.  He leapt down upon them, his
companions following him, and using them as a gangway, reached the bulwarks.
He threw a leg over the side, and alighted on a decked space between two oars
and the two rows of six slaves that were manning each of them.
  Biskaine followed him and the negroes came last.  They were still astride
the bulwarks when Sakr-el-Bahr gave the word.  Up the middle gangway ran a
bo'sun and two of his mates cracking their long whips of bullock-hide.  Down
went the oars, there was a heave, and they shot out in the wake of the other
two to join the fight.
  Sakr-el-Bahr, scimitar in hand, stood on the prow, a little in advance of
the mob of eager babbling corsairs who surrounded him, quivering in their
impatience to be let loose upon the Christian foe.  From the mast-head floated
out his standard, of crimson charged with a green crescent.
  The naked Christian slaves groaned, strained and sweated under the Moslem
lash that drove them to the destruction of their Christian bretheren.
  Ahead the battle was already joined.  The Spaniard had fired one single
hasty shot which had gone wide, and now one of the corsair's grappling-irons
had seized her on the larboard quarter, a withering hail of arrows was pouring
down upon her decks from the Muslim crosstrees; up her sides crowded the eager
Moors, ever most eager when it was a question of tackling the Spanish dogs
who had driven them from the Andalusian Caliphate.  Under her quarter sped
the other galley to take her on the starboard side, and even as she went her
archers and slingers hurled death aboard the galleon.
  It was a short, sharp fight.  The Spaniards in confusion from the beginning,
having been taken utterly by surprise, had never been able to order themselves
in a proper manner to receive the onslaught.  Still, what could be done they
did.  They made a gallant stand against this pitiless assailant.  But the
corsairs charged home as gallantly, utterly reckless of life, eager to slay
in the name of Allah and His Prophet and scarcely less eager to die if it
should please All-pitiful that their destines should be here fulfilled.  Up
they went, and back fell the Castilians, outnumbered by at least ten to one.


#247 of 278 by flem on Wed Jun 2 00:12:56 1999:

My, we're taking a morbid turn in this item.  :)

Burroughs?


#248 of 278 by janc on Wed Jun 2 13:58:51 1999:

Not Burroughs, though it sure does sound like him, doesn't it?  Unlike
Burroughs, this author was not known for science fiction.


#249 of 278 by lilmo on Wed Jun 2 22:25:09 1999:

It seems to be at least mildly sympathetic to the Moors, so it must have been
written LONG after the 15th-century events depicted.

Also, the word "Muslim" is used, so that dates it to the late 20th century;
before that, "Mohommedan" (and variations thereupon) were MUCH more common.


#250 of 278 by janc on Thu Jun 3 21:46:12 1999:

I don't know exactly when this book was written.  Sometime in the 20th
century, before 1940.  I had planned to do the next quote from another
book by the same author, but I can't fetch it just now without waking
Arlo.  We'll instead take another scene from the career of Sakr-el-Bahr:

  They sight which they beheld was one that for some moments left them
mazed and bewildered.  Lord Henry tells us how at first he imagined that
here was some mummery, some surprise prepared for the bridal couple by
Sir John's tenants or the folk of Smithick and Penycumwick, and he adds
that he was encouraged in this belief by the circumstance that not a
single weapon gleamed in all that horde of outlandish intruders. 
Although they came full armed against any eventualities, yet by their
leader's orders not a blade was bared.  What was to be done was to be
done with their naked hands alone and without bloodshed.  Such were the
orders of Sakr-el-Bahr, and Sakr-el-Bahr's orders were not to be
disregarded.
  Himself he stood forward at the head of that legion of brown-skinned
men arrayed in all the colours of the rainbow, their heads swathed in
turbans of every hue.  He considered the company in grim silence, and
the company in amazement considered this turbaned giant with the
masterful face that was tanned to the colour of mahogeny, the black
forked beard, and those singularly light eyes glittering like steel
under his black brows.
  Thus a little while in silence, then with a sudden gasp Lionel
Tressilian sank back in his tall chair as if bereft of strength.
  The agate eyes flashed upon him smiling, cruelly.
  "I see that you, at least, recognize me," said Sakr-el-Bahr in his
deep voice.  "I was assured that I could depend upon the eyes of
brotherly love to pierce the change that time and stress have wrought in
me."
  Sir John was on his feet, his lean swarthy face flushing darkly, an
oath on his lips.  Rosamund sat on as if frozen with horror, considering
Sir Oliver with dilating eyes, whilst her hands clawed the table before
her.  They too recognized him now, and realized that here was no
mummery.  That something sinister was intended Sir John could not for a
moment doubt.  But of what that something might be he could form no
notion.  It was the first time that Barbary rovers were seen in England.
That famous raid of theirs upon Baltimore in Ireland did not take place
until some thirty years after this date.
  "Sir Oliver Tressilian!" Killigrew gasped, and "Sir Oliver
Tressilian!" echoed Lord Henry Goade, to add -- "By God!"
  "Not Sir Oliver Tressilian," came the answer, "but Sakr-el-Bahr, the
scourge of the sea, the terror of Christendom, the desperate corsair
your lies, cupidity, and false-heartedness have fashioned out of a
sometime Cornish gentleman."


#251 of 278 by punky on Thu Jun 3 22:25:48 1999:

Is it Hermann Hresse?



#252 of 278 by janc on Fri Jun 4 03:43:29 1999:

Nope, not Hesse.  These quotations were originally written in English - they
are not translations.


#253 of 278 by janc on Tue Jun 8 17:12:03 1999:

Another quote, from another book by the same author:

  On they came until the Colonel was abreast of Blood.  He would have
passed on, but that lady tapped his arm with her whip.
  "But this is the man I meant," she said.
  "This one?" Contempt rang in the voice.  Peter Blood found himself
staring into a pair of beady brown eyes sunk into a yellow fleshy face
like currants into a dumpling.  He felt the colour creeping into his
face under the insult of that contemptuous inspection.  "Bah!  A bag of
bones.  What should I do with him?"
  He was turning away when Gardner interposed.
  "He may be lean, but he's tough; tough and healthy.  When half of them
was sick and the other half sickening, this rogue kept his legs and
doctored his fellows.  But for him there'd ha' been more deaths than
there was.  Say fifteen pounds for him, Colonel.  That's cheap enough. 
He's tough, I tell your honour--tough and strong, though he be lean. 
And he's just the man to bear the heat when it comes.  The climate'll
never kill him."
  There came a chuckle from Governor Steed.  "You hear, Colonel.  Trust
your neice.  Here sex knows a man when it sees one."  And he laughed,
well pleased with his wit.
  But he laughed alone.  A cloud of annoyance swept across the face of
the Colonel's niece, whilst the Colonel himself was too absorbed in the
consideration of this bargain to heed the Governor's humour.  He twisted
his lip a little, stroking his chin with his hand the while.  Jeremy
Pitt had almost ceased to breathe.
  "I'll give you ten pounds for him," said the Colonel at last.
  Peter Blood prayed the offer might be rejected.  For no reason that he
could have given you, he was taken with repugnance at the thought of
becoming the property of that hazel-eyed girl. But it would need more
than repuganance to save him from his destiny.  A slave is a slave, and
has no power to shape his fate.  Peter Blood was sold to Colonel Bishop-
a disdainful buyer - for the ignominious sum of five pounds.


#254 of 278 by davel on Wed Jun 9 11:34:40 1999:

No idea who it is.  But I can't help wondering how the seller came to accept
only half of the buyer's original offer.


#255 of 278 by aruba on Wed Jun 9 13:51:54 1999:

I was wondering that too.


#256 of 278 by janc on Wed Jun 9 18:36:58 1999:

Oops, the "five pounds" in the last line was a typo for "ten pounds". 
My brain must have been wandering.


#257 of 278 by janc on Wed Jun 9 18:39:01 1999:

Hmmm...I thought this author was only mildly obscure, but I may have
misjudged.  Well, I'll do a quote that is more of a dead giveaway in a
few days.  Probably this author's work is best known from the movie
versions.


#258 of 278 by mcnally on Wed Jun 9 19:08:55 1999:

  Rafael Sabatini..


#259 of 278 by flem on Wed Jun 9 21:44:49 1999:

Damn, too late.  Reading that made me think immediately of the movie 
version of "Captain Blood", which quick research shows to have been 
based on a book by Sabatini...
  'course, I don't know that it's right; just would've guessed it myself 
if I'd been quicker.  :)


#260 of 278 by janc on Thu Jun 10 02:06:10 1999:

Mike has it!

The first two quotes were from "The Sea Hawk".  The last was from "Captain
Blood."  He seems to be a quite highly regarded adventure writer, both for
pure entertainment and for historical accuracy.  But most of his books are
out of print and his name isn't well known anymore.  But there seems to be
something of a Sabatini revival going lately.


#261 of 278 by anderyn on Fri Jun 11 01:05:06 1999:

Sabatini rocks! (I have a whole lot of his books!)


#262 of 278 by mcnally on Sun Jun 20 22:43:01 1999:

  As with the Grex Jeopardy! item, I'll post a new "mysterious" quote
  after the conference restart.


#263 of 278 by bookworm on Tue Jun 22 16:25:33 1999:

Dern.  Are we restarting already?


#264 of 278 by remmers on Tue Jun 22 17:01:50 1999:

We are, and did.


#265 of 278 by mrmat on Tue Jun 22 20:25:33 1999:

,


#266 of 278 by davel on Wed Jun 23 19:05:10 1999:

But it still hasn't been linked into Books, yet.  <sigh>


#267 of 278 by rcurl on Wed Jun 23 19:44:43 1999:

Ask and you shall (might...) receive.


#268 of 278 by rcurl on Wed Jun 23 19:50:56 1999:

...but first someone has to start a Summer 1999 mysterious quote item...


#269 of 278 by bookworm on Thu Jun 24 18:07:54 1999:

a mysterious Quote item?  Thot we had that already.


#270 of 278 by rcurl on Thu Jun 24 21:12:07 1999:

Not in Summer 1999 agora. They all stay around here indefinitely, however.


#271 of 278 by rcurl on Thu Jun 24 21:13:22 1999:

By "here", I mean in books!


#272 of 278 by davel on Sat Jul 3 02:32:44 1999:

Heh.


#273 of 278 by davel on Sat Jul 3 02:33:48 1999:

... but here it is almost July 4 & there's no mysterious-quote item in Books.


#274 of 278 by rcurl on Sat Jul 3 04:58:19 1999:

Sure there is - this is it: enter a quote.


#275 of 278 by davel on Sat Jul 3 13:53:16 1999:

This was the Spring one, Rane.  (You mean no one's entered one in Agora after
a couple of weeks?  Who was up, anyway.)


#276 of 278 by rcurl on Sat Jul 3 14:53:43 1999:

I don't know (I play only very intermittently). But yes, this has not
been restarted in Summer.


#277 of 278 by md on Sun Jul 4 22:04:51 1999:

I play only very intermittently, too.  If I recognize 
the author, I play.  If I don't, I don't.  ;-)

Reading back, I find that Mike McNally's up.  He guessed 
Jan Wolter's author, and then he sad he'd enter his quote
after the restart.  I think the problem is there's no 
mystery quote item in Agora.


#278 of 278 by bookworm on Tue Jul 6 19:51:46 1999:

So post something, Mike.  I'm itching to get my turn.


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