Grex Books Conference

Item 79: The Mysterious Quote - Winter 1999 Edition

Entered by remmers on Wed Jan 6 00:29:04 1999:

137 new of 195 responses total.


#59 of 195 by mcnally on Thu Jan 28 07:11:33 1999:

  OK, this isn't quite the quote I was looking for but it displays some
  of the most readily identifiable aspects of this author's writing..
  It's part of a longer section which I'll post if this is not quickly 
  identified.  I'm not sure how to guage the likelihood of a quick guess
  with this author -- certainly not as widely read by Grexers as the last
  but not likely to be unknown, either..  Anyways, on with the quote..


        "Our good wishes to you, sir" said A__.  "Our business
        here is ordinary: we seek food and shelter during this
        stormy night for which we will pay in suitable degree."

        "I can provide shelter," said the crofter, "as for
        payment, 'suitable' for me might be 'unsuitable'
        for you.  Sometimes those misunderstandings put people
        at the outs."

        A__ searched the contents of his wallet.  "Here is
        a silver half-florin.  If this will suffice, we have
        eliminated the problem."

        "Well spoken!" declared the crofter.  "The times of
        the world would flow in halcyon joy if everyone were so
        open-hearted and forthright as you!  Give me the coin."


#60 of 195 by sjones on Thu Jan 28 15:55:32 1999:

oh.  that wouldn't be black beauty, then, would it?...:)

something nineteenth centuryish, or possibly even a little earlier?  
what a well-educated crofter he sounds...

nope.  i'm just going to have to sit around and think about black 
beauty...)


#61 of 195 by mcnally on Thu Jan 28 18:18:52 1999:

  Simon is absolutely correct that this was not excerpted from "Black Beauty"
  or any other work of Anna Sewell.  I did toy with the idea of repeating a
  previous writer just to see if anyone was paying attention but to my
  knowledge this person has not been used before.


#62 of 195 by wgm on Thu Jan 28 23:21:53 1999:

Hardy?


#63 of 195 by mcnally on Fri Jan 29 05:06:55 1999:

  Nope.


#64 of 195 by davel on Fri Jan 29 12:29:24 1999:

Laurence Sterne?  I never read _Tristram_Shandy_, so I really don't know
whether it's even a reasonable wild guess.


#65 of 195 by mcnally on Fri Jan 29 16:31:30 1999:

  We're venturing fairly far afield here.  I'll post the continuation of
  the quote after I get back from class..


#66 of 195 by sjones on Fri Jan 29 18:44:28 1999:

wouldn't want to claim i was /paying attention/ - you'd almost 
definitely have fooled me with a repetition of anything *apart* from 
black beauty!...:)

looking forward to the quote continuation - is this piece of writing set 
in scotland?


#67 of 195 by mcnally on Sat Jan 30 05:51:14 1999:

  as far as I know the half-florin has never been a scottish coin
  denomination.  whether it has or not you may safely assume that
  this tale is not set in Scotland...

  continuing with the quote, we'll give a longer passage this time
  and highlight the writer's distinctive and sardonic style of dialog:  


        "Well spoken!" declared the crofter.  "The times of the
        world would flow in halcyon joy, if everyone were so
        open-hearted and forthright as you!  Give me the coin."

        A___ tendered the half-florin piece.  "Whom do I address?"

        "You may know me as Cwyd.  And you, sir, and your
        mistress?"

        "I am A___, and this is T___."

        "She seems somewhat morose and out of sorts.  Do you
        beat her often?"

        "I must admit that I do not."

        "There is the answer!  Beat her well, beat her often!
        It will bring the roses to her cheeks!  There is
        nothing better to induce good cheer in a woman
        than a fine constitutional beating, since they are
        exceptionally jolly during the intervals in an effort
        to postpone the next of the series."

        A woman came to join them.  "Cwyd speaks the truth!
        When he raises his fist to me I laugh and smile,
        with all the good humour in the world, for my head is
        full of merry thoughts.  Cwyd's beating has served
        its purpose.  Nevertheless Cwyd himself becomes
        gloomy, through bafflement.  How did the roaches find
        their way into his pudding?  Where except in Cwyd's
        small-clothes are household nettles known to grow?
        Sometimes as Cwyd dozes in the sunlight a sheep
        wanders by and urinates in his face.  Ghosts have
        even been known to skulk up behind Cwyd in the dark
        and beat him mercilessly with mallets and cudgels."

        Cwyd nodded.  "Admittedly when Threlka is beaten
        for her faults there is often a peculiar aftermath.
        Nonetheless the basic concept is sound.  Your mistress
        has the look of costive asthenia, as if she were an
        arsenic eater."

        "I think not," said A___.

        "In that case, a thrashing or two might well release
        the bile into her blood and soon she would be skipping
        and singing and larking about with the rest of us.
        Threlka, what is your opinion?"



#68 of 195 by valkyrie on Sat Jan 30 14:47:36 1999:

This sounds a lot like Robert Jordan, from the Wheel of Time series,
but I could be wrong :).


#69 of 195 by aruba on Sat Jan 30 22:57:04 1999:

Hi Brenda!  Long time no see.


#70 of 195 by mcnally on Sun Jan 31 05:04:25 1999:

  you are, in fact, wrong..  but you have the consolation of being
  closer in several ways than many of our previous guesses..


#71 of 195 by sjones on Sun Jan 31 10:07:47 1999:

ah, oops, i see, yes, a modern tongue-in-cheek tone to it... now i feel 
comfortably stupid...  definitely not someone i've read and or know, 
but i like the tone, so i shall sit back and look forward to finding 
out who it is, so i can go and get a copy...:)


#72 of 195 by valkyrie on Sun Jan 31 20:35:23 1999:

ok, my next guess is Terry Goodkind :)


#73 of 195 by mcnally on Sun Jan 31 22:32:34 1999:

  All interested parties are encouraged to keep guessing..


#74 of 195 by sjones on Mon Feb 1 07:18:35 1999:

well, i'm interested in parties, so... terry brooks?


#75 of 195 by mcnally on Mon Feb 1 16:19:13 1999:

  Nope..  Recent guesses have at least been in the right genre, though,
  and are correct on several other counts (writer is male and currently
  living.)


#76 of 195 by flem on Wed Feb 3 02:54:47 1999:

That sounds vaguely like a passage I once read, which I believe was by Gordon
R. Dickson.  So I'll guess that.  


#77 of 195 by mcnally on Wed Feb 3 05:51:38 1999:

  Nope.  

  I'd actually picked this one because I wanted something that would be 
  easy to guess:  I thought that between the number of science fiction and
  fantasy fans on Grex and the distinctive flavor of this writer's dialog
  that someone would quickly identify him.

  Perhaps we need more quote, I'll enter a bit more in a bit..


#78 of 195 by sjones on Wed Feb 3 07:40:35 1999:

michael moorcock, says my mathematical friend.  i think he should stick 
to the numbers...


#79 of 195 by davel on Wed Feb 3 12:25:41 1999:

Hmm.  I've lost track of the quotes themselves.


#80 of 195 by flem on Wed Feb 3 16:11:23 1999:

I'm curious.  I feel almost certain that I've read something at least vaguely
like this before, and yet I've almost no idea.  

Guess:  Stanislaw Lem?


#81 of 195 by mcnally on Wed Feb 3 16:26:54 1999:

  Not Michael Moorcock or Stanislaw Lem (though I highly recommend Lem.)
  The quotes are in responses #59, #67, and possibly not-yet-numbered
  responses to be enterered soon..  :-)  You can see the currently entered
  ones by typing "only 59; only 67" at the "Respond, pass, forget, quit?"
  prompt.


#82 of 195 by jep on Wed Feb 3 17:15:45 1999:

The Welsh names, the misogynistic comments, sounds like Mary Stewart to 
me, but I don't know what book.


#83 of 195 by remmers on Wed Feb 3 18:20:41 1999:

(For purposes of this game, you don't have to identify the work, just 
the author.)


#84 of 195 by mcnally on Thu Feb 4 02:33:16 1999:

  Astute readers will note that I've already identified the author as male..


#85 of 195 by davel on Thu Feb 4 02:36:16 1999:

Doesn't sound the least like Mary Stewart to me.  (I reread/read all 4 of the
Arthurian ones about a month back, having discovered that I never read the
last two at all way back when.)  Presumably if jep's right the A___ is Arthur.
I'll guess vaguely at L. Sprague de Camp; the diction sounds a bit like him,
and he might have done an Arthurian job that I've never read.


#86 of 195 by davel on Thu Feb 4 02:38:27 1999:

mcnally slipped in ... but I had just remembered this, cutting off a guess
of Marion Zimmer Bradley (whom it sounds not at all like but who definitely
did something Arthurian I never read).

The fact that he slipped in probably means he won't respond to my guess of
de Camp before I'm off line.


#87 of 195 by sjones on Thu Feb 4 04:49:58 1999:

half-florins?  arthur?...


#88 of 195 by davel on Thu Feb 4 12:39:15 1999:

Well, "crofter" and "Cwyd" point in directions consistent with Arthur, so I
followed jep's lead.  I admit half-florins made me wonder, too.  I don't
exactly withdraw my guess of de Camp, but note that mcnally said the author
is still living, & I don't think de Camp is.  Mike, we could really use a
couple more hints, I think.


#89 of 195 by jep on Thu Feb 4 14:41:56 1999:

I got as far as searching the WWW to verify that florins and 
half-florins are some sort of monetary unit.  It's true, they are; I 
found coin-collector references to them.  "Cwyd" is almost certainly 
Welsh.

In the last 20 years, at least 50,000 writers have written fantasy 
novels with a Welsh background.  To my mind, 49,686 of these were 
identical, and I have long since given up finding the rest.  (Some that 
I did read were good, to be sure, but finding any that are 
distinguishable from the rest seems as difficult as finding an original 
disco song.)

Maybe this author one-upped Mary Stewart's misogyny.  It's a common 
technique; find a good, successful author, and copy some of what they 
did, while trying to go a little further.  This thought doesn't doesn't 
help to identify the author.

Maybe more clues and quotes are in order.


#90 of 195 by janc on Thu Feb 4 17:32:52 1999:

Maybe Terry Pratchett.  Could perhaps be a Ringworld book.

I don't read it as exactly misogynistic.  It suggests beating your wife
will get you beat worse.


#91 of 195 by flem on Thu Feb 4 22:41:41 1999:

L. Sprague de Camp was at least alive in 1992, which is the latest book 
of his available to me at the moment.  It would surprise me if he were 
dead.  


#92 of 195 by aruba on Thu Feb 4 23:23:00 1999:

I suppose it could be Jack Chalker, so I'll guess him.


#93 of 195 by mcnally on Fri Feb 5 06:32:28 1999:

   +  None of the answers so far are correct.  

   +  This particular author has probably published more works of science
      fiction than of fantasy but his fantasy works may possibly be better
      known.  Perhaps I should quote from one or two of the science fiction
      works as well..

   +  "A___" is not short for Arthur, though that would be a great guess
      if the story were, in fact, set in Wales.

   +  Although Cwyd is undeniably Welsh-sounding, the story I've been
      quoting does not take place in Wales, but in a fictional setting
      that is a hodge-podge of elements taken from various European
      traditions (in other words, don't strain yourself trying to
      reconcile "Cwyd" with "florins".)

   A few words about the setting, which should give it away if anyone's
   read and remembers the work from which I'm quoting..

      "South of Cornwall, north of Iberia, across the Cantabrian Gulf
      from Aquitaine were the Elder Isles, ranging in size from Gwyg's
      Fang, a jag of black rock most often awash under Atlantic breakers,
      to Hybras, the 'Hy-Brasill' of early Irish chroniclers:  an island
      as large as Ireland itself."

   If that doesn't tip someone off I'll enter another quote in a day or
   so from another one of this author's works.


#94 of 195 by sekari on Fri Feb 5 08:42:55 1999:

FYI terry pratchet writes the Discworld books, Larry niven writes Ringworld. 


#95 of 195 by remmers on Fri Feb 5 12:22:57 1999:

Haven't read this kind of stuff for years and years, but I'll add
another and probably wrong random guess to the pile anyway: Jack
Vance.


#96 of 195 by void on Fri Feb 5 13:28:45 1999:

   hmmm.  shot in the semi-dark: c.s. lewis?


#97 of 195 by sjones on Fri Feb 5 13:42:01 1999:

tend to agree with resp:89

and have run out of ideas...:(


#98 of 195 by remmers on Fri Feb 5 17:37:50 1999:

(Jack Vance came to mind from McNally's "more works of science fiction
than of fantasy" hint.)


#99 of 195 by janc on Fri Feb 5 18:40:54 1999:

Fritz Leiber?  Or is he dead?


#100 of 195 by mcnally on Fri Feb 5 19:12:17 1999:

  Remmers is correct, our mystery author is Jack Vance.. 
  I was pretty sure that one of those clues might give it away though I'm
  surprised nobody identified it from his writing style (which I find very
  distinctive..)

  The quotes were taken from his "Lyonesse" trilogy -- an entertaining 
  treatment of traditional fantasy that's less well known than his primary
  fantasy works (the "Dying Earth" stories..) or his many science fiction
  novels.  The first book of the series, "Suldrun's Garden" is a little slow,
  burdened with establishing the many parallel story lines, but once things
  get going the story picks up and the other two books of the series,
  "The Green Pearl" and "Madouc", are excellent if you like that sort of thing.



#101 of 195 by sjones on Fri Feb 5 22:13:58 1999:

remmers, you master of all trades, you...:)


#102 of 195 by remmers on Sat Feb 6 10:54:03 1999:

Omigosh, I didn't really think I'd be right. Okay, I'll try to come
up with a new quote later today.


#103 of 195 by janc on Sat Feb 6 15:11:44 1999:

Hmmm...I've read most of that trilogy, but don't remember anything about
it.


#104 of 195 by mcnally on Sat Feb 6 21:16:27 1999:

  Well, the plot is pretty conventional for the genre, deliberately so
  (I think..)  What I liked about them was the somewhat droll manner in
  which Vance treated a conventional fantasy tale..


#105 of 195 by flem on Sun Feb 7 03:28:48 1999:

Ha!  I knew I'd read it.  As soon as I read "Jack Vance" in remmers' 
response, I smacked myself.  :)


#106 of 195 by remmers on Mon Feb 8 14:48:13 1999:

(I haven't forgotten that I'm up; just been busy with other things. 
Hope to have a quote later today, or tomorrow.)


#107 of 195 by mcnally on Mon Feb 8 18:28:24 1999:

  Based on previous experience I'd say I'm in the minority with this position
  but I'd rather have a carefully selected and interesting, amusing, or
  enlightening quote than just have something posted quickly because you
  were in a hurry..  In other words, I vote that you take your time..


#108 of 195 by sjones on Tue Feb 9 13:39:56 1999:

<slightly shamefacedly> yes, i pretty much agree with that in principle, 
i think...  although i can imagine, hypothetically speaking obviously, 
enthusiastic people getting a little carried away while they look 
forward, er, enthusiastically to the next quote...:)

but not being a hypothetical person, i also vote that remmers takes his 
time <sits on own hands>...


#109 of 195 by remmers on Tue Feb 9 16:26:10 1999:

Oh, I can find interesting, amusing, and enlightening quotes
pretty quickly. Hold on a sec...


#110 of 195 by remmers on Tue Feb 9 16:38:07 1999:

Okay, here we go. This is actually a short quote, but it looks long
because of the formatting.

        William Saroyan said, "I ruined my
        life by marrying the same woman
        twice."

        there will always be something
        to ruin our lives,
        William,
        it all depends upon
        what or which
        finds us
        first,
        we are always
        ripe and ready
        to be taken.

        ruined lives are
        normal
        both for the wise
        and
        others.

        it is only when
        that life
        ruined
        becomes ours
        we realize
        then
        that the suicides, the
        drunkards, the mad, the
        jailed, the dopers
        and etc. etc.
        are just as common
        a part of existence
        as the gladiola, the
        rainbow
        the
        hurricane
        and nothing
        left
        on the kitchen
        shelf.



#111 of 195 by mcnally on Tue Feb 9 17:01:38 1999:

  (unlikely, but..) Richard Brautigan?


#112 of 195 by remmers on Tue Feb 9 17:34:33 1999:

Not Brautigan.


#113 of 195 by davel on Wed Feb 10 02:19:03 1999:

Wild guess: John Berryman?


#114 of 195 by sjones on Wed Feb 10 10:41:04 1999:

william carlos williams?


#115 of 195 by remmers on Wed Feb 10 18:22:40 1999:

Neither Berryman nor Williams.

The author is a deceased American male.

I plan on posting another quote sometime today or tomorrow if nobody 
has guessed it by then.


#116 of 195 by remmers on Thu Feb 11 13:52:59 1999:

Here's another quote. As with the first one, I've reproduced the
formatting exactly.

        *nothing* is easier than
        writing
        it becomes ridiculously
        easy

        and
        as you continue to do
        it
        critical articles will be
        written
        on how you do it
        why you do
        it
        and
        what it
        means.

        and,
        of course, you
        won't know
        what the hell
        they are talking
        about.

        because
        the typewriter
        does it

        all you
        do
        is sit down
        in front of it.

        it will take care
        of
        damn near
        everything
        except
        death and
        bad
        women.


#117 of 195 by aruba on Thu Feb 11 15:19:19 1999:

Carl Sandburg?


#118 of 195 by remmers on Thu Feb 11 16:29:18 1999:

Not Sandburg. But like Sandburg, this author wrote both prose and
poetry.


#119 of 195 by remmers on Sun Feb 14 13:19:14 1999:

No guesses in a few days. Time for another quote:

        my father

        was a truly amazing man.
        he pretended to be
        rich
        even though we lived on beans and mush and weenies
        when we sat down to eat, he said,
        "not everybody can eat like this."

        and because he wanted to be rich or because he actually
        thought he *was* rich
        he always voted Republican
        and he voted for Hoover against Roosevelt
        and he lost
        and then he voted for Alf Landon against Roosevelt
        and he lost again
        saying, "I don't know what this world is coming to,
        now we've got that god damned Red in there again
        and the Russians will be in our backyard next!"

        I think it was my father who made me decide to
        become a bum.
        I decided that if a man like that wants to be rich
        then I want to be poor.



#120 of 195 by remmers on Mon Feb 15 17:55:23 1999:

Hm, this item it without recent guesses. I assume this means that
readers are without a clue.  :)

Hint: A movie written by this author was made a few years ago. The
protagonist was the same fictional character who appears in a
number of the author's short stories.


#121 of 195 by gjharb on Mon Feb 15 22:26:19 1999:

I know nothing of peotry but everytime I read your quotes, the name "James
Thurber" pops into mind.


#122 of 195 by remmers on Tue Feb 16 03:50:31 1999:

Not Thurber.


#123 of 195 by sekari on Wed Feb 17 20:39:29 1999:

random shot in the dark: 
Douglass Copeland


#124 of 195 by remmers on Thu Feb 18 14:13:33 1999:

Not Douglass Copeland (whom I know nothing about).

I'll try to post another quote soon.


#125 of 195 by md on Thu Feb 18 23:28:19 1999:

It looks like Koch or Creely on the page, but I'm not
familiar enough with either of them to hazard a guess.
It also sounds a bit like Erica Jong, and the description
fits except for the dead white male part.


#126 of 195 by remmers on Fri Feb 19 13:10:57 1999:

Not any of those.


#127 of 195 by atticus on Sat Feb 20 13:41:26 1999:

e e cummings?


#128 of 195 by remmers on Sun Feb 21 01:17:17 1999:

Not e e cummings.

Here's something from one of the author's short stories. The milieu is
typical.

            Tom and Max walked in front of the gang of them. They
        were walking down Broadway in Los Angeles. There were more
        than 50 bums walking along behind Tom and Max. 50 or more
        bums--blinking, staggering, not exactly sure of what was
        happening. The ordinary citizens on the street were aston-
        ished. They stopped, they stepped aside and watched. Some
        were frightened, some laughed. To others it appeard to be
        a joke, or some movie in the making. The makeup was perfect:
        the actors looked like bums. But where were the cameras.
            Tom and Max led the march.
            "Listen, Max, I only told 8. How many did you tell?"
            "Maybe 9."
            "I wonder what the hell happened?"
            "They must have told each other . . ."
        They walked along. It was like a mad dream that couldn't be
        stopped. At the corner of 7th, the light changed to red. Tom
        and Max stopped and the bums bunched up behind them waiting.
        The smell of unwashed socks and underwear, booze and bad
        breath, wafted through the air. The Goodyear blimp circled
        aimlessly overhead. The smog settled bluegrey in the street.
            Then the signal changed to green. Tom and Max stepped
        forward. The bums followed.
            "Even though I visualized this," said Tom, "I can't
        believe it's really happening."
            "It's happening," said Max.


#129 of 195 by gjharb on Tue Feb 23 14:03:27 1999:

Another shot-in-the-dark guess  -- Jack Kerouc (sp.?)?


#130 of 195 by mooncat on Tue Feb 23 14:13:16 1999:

(kerouac)



#131 of 195 by sekari on Tue Feb 23 17:13:19 1999:

neal cassady


#132 of 195 by remmers on Wed Feb 24 11:54:01 1999:

Not Kerouac or Cassady.


#133 of 195 by sjones on Wed Feb 24 18:40:56 1999:

hunter s thompson?


#134 of 195 by remmers on Fri Feb 26 02:28:41 1999:

Not Thompson.

Hint: There was a 1987 movie based on the author's autobiographical
writings. Like my last quote, it's about the seamier side of life
in LA.


#135 of 195 by aruba on Fri Feb 26 06:54:40 1999:

I'll guess Brutkowski, then, in which case the movie is "Barfly".


#136 of 195 by sekari on Fri Feb 26 07:00:26 1999:

bukowski, and that was what I thought earlier when john said that there was a
movie based on a character. When john said that the movie was made "a few years
ago" I took that as within the last five and ruled bukowski out. 


#137 of 195 by remmers on Fri Feb 26 14:39:12 1999:

As one get older, one's concept of "a few years" tends to lengthen. I 
still think of the 1970's as fairly recent.

Yes, it's Charles Bukowski and the movie was "Barfly", with Mickey 
Rourke and Faye Dunaway (and Bukowski himself in a cameo). It was 
released in 1987. Good movie.

Despite Mark's misspelling of the author's name, I think we should 
consider that he got it.


#138 of 195 by aruba on Fri Feb 26 14:49:34 1999:

Oops, sorry for the misspelling.  I will yield to sekari if he'd like to be
"it".


#139 of 195 by md on Fri Feb 26 23:27:19 1999:

Re #137, the phenomenon you describe never ceases to amaze me.
I have 30-year-old books I still think of as "the new book."


#140 of 195 by aruba on Fri Feb 26 23:35:48 1999:

(BTW the Jeopardy rule on misspellings is that they're OK unless you leave
out a whole syllable, as I learned the other day when a guy in the teen
tournament misspelled "Mediterranean" as "Mediterrean", and lost the game as
a result.  In my case I misspelled "Bu" as "Brut"; dunno if Alex would give
me that one or not.)


#141 of 195 by sekari on Sat Feb 27 10:25:08 1999:

you can have it mark. Which collection were those poems from? I used to read a
lot of bukowski, I didn't recognise those at all though. You'd think the style
would give it away.  hmm. 


#142 of 195 by aruba on Sat Feb 27 19:31:36 1999:

OK, I'll try to come up with something.


#143 of 195 by aruba on Mon Mar 1 16:25:18 1999:

OK, here's my quote.  All spelling is as in the original.

"My beloved Laura (said she to me a few Hours before she died) take
warning from my unhappy End & avoid the imprudent conduct which has
occasioned it . . beware of fainting fits . . Though at the the time they
may be refreshing & Agreable yet beleive me they will in the end, if too
often repeated & at improper seasons, prove destructive to your
Constitution . . . . . My fate will teach you this . . I die a Martyr to
my greif for the loss of Augustus . . . . One fatal swoon has cost me my
Life . . . . Beware of swoons Dear Laura . . . A frenzy fit is not one
quarter so pernicious; it is an exercise to the Body & if not too violent,
is I dare say conducive to Health in its consequences -- Run mad as often
as you chuse, but do not faint--".
        these were the last words she ever adressed to me . . . It was her
dieing Advice to her afflicted Laura, who has ever most faithfully adhered
to it.


#144 of 195 by davel on Tue Mar 2 02:40:58 1999:

It's beautiful, & I definitely think I've read it sometime in my life, but
I can't place it.  <sigh>


#145 of 195 by remmers on Wed Mar 3 22:01:04 1999:

(Re resp:141 - The quotes were taken from Bukowski's _Septuagenarian
Stew_, published in 1990, when he was 70 years old.)


#146 of 195 by sekari on Thu Mar 4 07:53:39 1999:

(ah, thanks, I'm more familiar with his older stuff)


#147 of 195 by davel on Thu Mar 4 11:41:57 1999:

(Re the last time *I* gave a quote, quite a while back now: I heard on All
Things Considered that Willard Espy died last week.)


#148 of 195 by aruba on Sat Mar 6 00:19:17 1999:

No guesses so far.  I'll try to enter another quote soon.


#149 of 195 by aruba on Mon Mar 8 20:38:58 1999:

OK, here's another quote:

Who can be in doubt of what followed? -- When any two Young People take it 
into their heads to marry, they are pretty sure by perseverance to carry their
point -- be they ever so poor, or ever so imprudent, or ever so little likely
to be necessary to each other's ultimate comfort.  This may be bad Morality
to conclude with, but I believe it to be Truth -- and if such parties succeed,
how should a Capt. W -- & an Anne E -- with the advantage of maturity of Mind,
consciousness of Right, & one Independent Fortune between them, fail of
bearing down every opposition?  They might in fact, have born down a great
deal more than they met with, for there was little to distress them beyond
the want of Graciousness and Warmth.  Sir W. made no objection, & Elizth did
nothing worse than look cold & unconcerned.


#150 of 195 by remmers on Mon Mar 8 21:14:14 1999:

A real antique, to judge by the style. Laurence Sterne, maybe?


#151 of 195 by mooncat on Mon Mar 8 21:58:04 1999:

Jane Austen? (I'm thinking... Persuasion...)



#152 of 195 by bookworm on Mon Mar 8 22:46:04 1999:

Sounds like I've got a little reading to do.


#153 of 195 by sekari on Tue Mar 9 01:08:35 1999:

I think I already guessed jane austin, (with persuasion in mind) or was that 
another guess?


#154 of 195 by sekari on Tue Mar 9 01:10:12 1999:

no, i guess I didn't, must hae been a few quotes back.


#155 of 195 by aruba on Tue Mar 9 04:47:23 1999:

Indeed, it is Jane Austen, from the original ending to Persuasion.  (I gather
it was published after she died, from her notes, which explains why it
contains abbreviations and odd capitalization.)  The first quote was from
"Love and Freindship" [sic], part of the "Juvenalia".  Anne's up!


#156 of 195 by mooncat on Tue Mar 9 14:33:24 1999:

Ack... I was actually right.. Umm... Okay, I'll try to find something
suitable by this evening.



#157 of 195 by mooncat on Wed Mar 10 01:20:01 1999:

Okay here we go... It's fairly long, and if there are spelling
mistakes assume they are mine... and forgive the temporarily-one-
handed-typist....

        "Cats.  It sounded quite alluring to V., in the plural.  She
pictured an island in Muskoka haunted by pussies.
        "That alone shoes there is something wrong with him," decreed
Aunt Isabel.
        "People who don't like cats," said V., attacking her dessert
with a relish, "always seem to think that there is some peculiar
virtue in not liking them."
        "The man hasn't a friend except Roaring Abel," said Uncle
Wellington, "And if Roaring Abel had kept away from him, as everybody
else did, it would have been better for - for some members of his family."
        Uncle Wellington's rather lame conclusion was due to a marital
glance from Aunt Wellington reminding him of what he had almost forgotten-
that there were girls at the table.
        "If you mean," said V. passionately, "that Barney S. is the father
of Cecily Gay's child, he isn't.  It's a wicked lie."
        In spite of her indignation V. was hugely amused at the expression
of the faces around that festal table.  She had not seen anything like
it since the day, seventeen years ago, when at Cousin Gladys's thimble
party, they discoveredOP that she had got - SOMETHING - in her head at
school.  Lice in her head!  V. was done with euphemisms.
        Poor Mrs. F. was almost in a state of collapse.  She had believed-
or pretended to believe- that V. still supposed that children were
found in parsley beds.
        "Hush- hush!" implored Cousin Stickles.
        "I don't mean to hush," said V. perversely, "I've hush-hushed
all my life.  I'll scream if I want to.  Don't make me want to.  And
stop talking about Barney S."
        V. didn'tr exactly understand her own indignation.  What did
BArney S.'s imputed crimes and misdemeanours matter to her?  And why,
out of them all, did it seem most intolerable that he should have been 
poor, pitiful little Cecily Gay's false lover?  For it did seem intolerable
to her.  She did not mind when they called him a theif and a counterfeiter
and a jail-bird; but she could not endure to think that he had loved and
ruined Cecily Gay.  She recalled his face on the two occasions of their chance
meetings-his twisted, enigmatic, engaging smile, his twinkle, his thin
sensitive, almost ascetic lips, his general air of frank daredeviltry.
A man wish such a smile and lips might have murdered or stolen but he
could not have betrayed.  She suddenly hated every one who said it or
believed it of him.
        "When I was a young girl I never thought or spoke about such
matters, Doss," said Aunt Wellington, crushingly.
        "But I'm not a young girl," retorted V., uncrushed. "Aren't
you always rubbing that into me? And you are all evil-minded, senseless
gossips.  Can't you leave poor Cissy Gay alone?  She's dying.  Whatever
she did, God or the Devil has punished her enough for it.  You needn't
take a hand, too.  As for Barney S., the only crime he has been guilty
of is living to himself and minding his own business.  He can, it seems,
get along without you.  Which is an unpardonable sin, of course, in your
little snobocracy." V. coined that concluding word suddenly and felt that
it was an inspiration.  That was exactly what they were and not one of
them was fit to mend another.
        "V., your poor father would turn over in his grave if he could 
hear you," said Mrs. F.
        "I dare say he would enjoy that for a change," said V. brazenly."

There you go, have at it.



#158 of 195 by flem on Wed Mar 10 19:02:44 1999:

Danielle Steele?  <g>


#159 of 195 by mooncat on Wed Mar 10 19:31:14 1999:

<grins>  umm... no... But Female...



#160 of 195 by mooncat on Sat Mar 13 22:08:24 1999:

Okay, no quesses for a few days... I'll post another quote, but
from a different book sometime today... In the mean time, some
hints... The author is female, and from North America.



#161 of 195 by sjones on Sun Mar 14 06:39:10 1999:

margaret atwood?  if you're speaking continentally...:)


#162 of 195 by mooncat on Sun Mar 14 20:58:30 1999:

Nope, not Margaret Atwood.  This author also happens to be dead.

Next quote- new book, same author (of course)

        "Emily, with an eloquent glance at Ellen's hands, went and got the dish
towel.
        "Your hands are fat and pudgy," she said. "The bones don't show at
all."
        "Never mind sassing back!  It's awful, with your poor pa dead in there.
But if you Aunt Ruth takes you she'll soon cure you of that."
        "Is Aunt Ruth going to take me?"
        "I don't know, but she ought to.  She's a widow with no chick or child,
and well-to-do."
        "I don't think I want Aunt Ruth to take me," said Emily deliberately,
after a moment's reflection.
        "Well, you won't have the choosing likely.  You ought to be thankful
to get a home anywhere.  Remember you're not of much importance."
        "I am important to myself," cried Emily proudly.
        "It'll be some chore to bring you up," muttered Ellen. "Your Aunt Ruth
is the one to do it, in my opinion.  She won't stand no nonsense.  A fine
woman she is and the neatest housekeeper on P. E. Island.  You could eat off
her floor."
        "I don't want to eat off her floor.  I don't care if a floor is dirty
as long as the tablecloth is clean."
        "Well, her tablecloths are clean too, I reckon.  She's got an elegant
house in S. with bow windows and wooden lace all round the roof.  It's very
stylish.  It would be a fine home for you.  She'd learn you some sense and
do you a world of good."
        "I don't want to learn sense and be done a world of good to," cried
Emily with a quivering lip. "I-I want somebody to love me."
        "Well, you've got to behave yourself if you want people to like you.
You're not to blame so much- your pa has spoiled you.  I told him so often
enough, but he just laughed.  I hope he ain't sorry for it now.  The fact is,
Emily Starr, you're queer, and folks don't care for queer children."
        "How am I queer?" demanded Emily.
        "You talk queer- and you act queer- and at times you look queer.  And
you're too old for your age- though that ain't your fault.  It comes of never
mixing with other children.  I've always threaped at your father to send you
to school- learning at home ain't the same thing- but he wouldn't listen to
me, of course.  I don't say but what you are as far along in book learning
as you need to be, but what you want is to learn how to be like other
children.  In one way it would be a good thing if your Uncle Oliver would take
you, for he's got a big family.  But he's not as well off as the rest, so it
ain't likely he will.  Your Uncle Wallace might, seeing as he reckons himself
the head of the family.  He's only got a grown-up daughter.  But his wife's
delicate- or fancies she is."
        "I wish Aunt Laura would take me," said Emily.  She remembered that
father had said Aunt Laura was something like her mother.
        "Aunt Laura!  She won't have no say in it- Elizabeth's boss at New
Moon.  Jimmy Murray runs the farm, but he ain't quite all there, I'm told_"
        "What part of him isn't there?" asked Emily curiously.
        "Laws, it's something about hi mind, child.  He's a bit simple- some
accident or other when he was a youngster, I've heard.  IT addled his head,
kind of.  Elizabeth was mixed up in it some way- I've never heard the rights
of it.  I don't reckon the New Moon people will want to be bothered with you.
They're awful set in their ways.  You take my advice and try to please your
Aunt Ruth.  Be polite- and well-behaved- mebbe she'll take a fancy to you.
There, that's all the dishes.  You'd better go upstairs and be out of the
way." "



#163 of 195 by gjharb on Sun Mar 14 22:54:57 1999:

L.M. Montgomery - Emily of New Moon.


#164 of 195 by mooncat on Mon Mar 15 14:28:03 1999:

Yup. :)  The first was "Blue Castle" one of Lucy Maud's later books,
and a lot of fun. :)

Gloria's up. 



#165 of 195 by gjharb on Mon Mar 15 14:45:44 1999:

Okay - give me a day or two to post.


#166 of 195 by gjharb on Tue Mar 16 20:00:43 1999:

Ok.  Hints about the author:  Male, American, still living.

"D_____ began to read hungrily. as though starved for print.  And the speed
next -- and why.  Everybody else is a robot, a machine.

     "Some persons seem to like you, and others seem to hate you, and you must
wonder why.  They are simply liking machines and hating machines.

     "You are pooped and demoralized," read D_____.  "Why wouldn't you be?
Of course it is exhausting, having to reason all the time in a universe which
wasn't meant to be reasonable."

     "D_____H_____ read on:  "You are surrounded by loving machines, hating
machines, greedy machines, unselfish machines, brave machines, cowardly
machines, truthful machines, lying machines, funny machines, solemn
machines," he read.  "Their only purpose is to stir you up in every reasonable
way, so the Creator of the Universe can watch your reactions.  They can no
more feel or reason than grandfather clocks.

     "The Creator of the Universe would now like to apologize not only for
the capricious, jostling companionship he provided during the test, but for
the trashy, stinking condition of the planet itself.  The Creator programmed
the robots to abuse it for millions of years, so it would be a poisonous,
festering cheese when you got here.  Also, he made sure it would be
desperately crowded by programming the robots, regardless of their living
conditions, to crave sexual intercourse and adore infants more than almost
anything."



#167 of 195 by gjharb on Tue Mar 16 20:07:58 1999:

First two paragraphs got screwed up:

     "D_____ now began to read hungrily, as though starved for print.  And
the speed-reading course he had taken at the YMCA allowed him to make a
perfect pig of himself with pages and words.

     "Dear Sir, poor sir, brave sir:"  he read, "You are an experiment by the
Creator of the Universe.  You are the only creature in the entire Universe
who has free will.  You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next
-- and why.  Everybody else is a robot, a machine.


#168 of 195 by jep on Tue Mar 16 20:10:30 1999:

Brian Aldiss?


#169 of 195 by gjharb on Tue Mar 16 20:31:14 1999:

Nope.


#170 of 195 by flem on Tue Mar 16 22:26:47 1999:

Stanislaw Lem?  


#171 of 195 by gjharb on Wed Mar 17 03:02:06 1999:

Not Lem.


#172 of 195 by sekari on Wed Mar 17 07:27:33 1999:

douglass adams?


#173 of 195 by cyklone on Wed Mar 17 12:46:56 1999:

Kurt Vonegut?


#174 of 195 by gjharb on Wed Mar 17 19:26:14 1999:

Kurt Vonnegut it is.  That quote was taken from Breakfast of Champions.
Cyklone - you are up.


#175 of 195 by cyklone on Wed Mar 17 23:57:31 1999:

For you M-netters, I was going to say irvingp, who blatantly stole that
excerpt for his plan (without attribution)

OK, here's a new fave of mine. My mother, of all people, turned me on to
this:

        There were three other people at her sitting. Mrs. Ormerod from
Belsize Park, in a dark green hat that might have been a flowerpot in a
previous life; Mr. Scroggie, thin and pallid, with bulging colorless eyes;
and Julia Petley from Hair Today,* the hairdressers' on the High Street,
fresh out of school and convinced that she herself had unplumbed occult
depths. In order to enhance the occult aspects of herself, Julia had
begun to wear far too much handbeaten silver jewelry and green eyeshadow.
She felt she looked haunted and gaunt and romantic, and she would have, if
she had lost another thirty pounds. She was convinced that she was
anorexic, because every time she looked in the mirror she did indeed see a
fat person.

*Formerly A Cut Above the Rest, formerly Mane Attraction, formerly Curl Up
and Dye, formerly A Snip at the Price, formerly Mister Brian's
Art-de-Coiffeur, formerly Robinson the Barber's, formerly Fone-a-Car
Taxis.



#176 of 195 by jazz on Thu Mar 18 00:14:59 1999:

        Tom Robbins?


#177 of 195 by md on Thu Mar 18 00:42:58 1999:

Helen Fielding?


#178 of 195 by valkyrie on Thu Mar 18 00:57:45 1999:

Terry Pratchett


#179 of 195 by cyklone on Thu Mar 18 02:34:30 1999:

OK Brenda, you have half of it, now who's the other? ;)


#180 of 195 by mcnally on Thu Mar 18 06:15:10 1999:

  Unless I miss my guess It's from "Good Omens" by Terry Pratchett and
  Neil Gaiman.  I'd say, though, that Brenda should get credit.


#181 of 195 by cyklone on Thu Mar 18 13:11:45 1999:

Yup, Mike got it right, with the names of both authors. However, since he
deferred to Brenda, she's up next. BTW, if you like Doug Adams, you'll
love "Good Omens", a humorous look at Armageddon and the bureaucracies of
Heaven and Hell . . . . .



#182 of 195 by mooncat on Thu Mar 18 13:18:32 1999:

(Good Omens is wonderful. :)  Have to love a book that has a HellHound
named 'Dog' -no spoiler, there is a 'cast list' at the beginning of the
book- and an angel who didn't fall, but sauntered vaguely downwards...)



#183 of 195 by valkyrie on Thu Mar 18 16:56:33 1999:

I knew good omens, just didn't have it in front of me for the other author's
name :).  I'll post a quote later today.


#184 of 195 by valkyrie on Fri Mar 19 12:17:59 1999:

Ok, I expect someone to get this fairly soon, since I don't have any
obscure books :).

When I was in middle school there was a spate of magazines publishing 
fantastic stories, not alone ghost stories, but weird yarns of every sort.
magic ships plying the ether to other stars.  Strange inventions.  Trips
to the center of the earth.  Other "dimensions."  Flying machines.  Power
from burning atoms.  Monsters created in secret laboratories.
  I used to buy them and hide them inside copies of Youth's Companion and
Young Crusaders, knowhing instinctively that my parents would disappreove and
confiscate.  I loved them and so did my outlaw chum Bert.
  It couldn't last.  First there was an editorial in Youth's Companion:
"Poison to the Soul--Stamp it Out!"  Then our pastor, Brother Draper, preached
a sermon against such mind-corrupting trash, with comparisons to the evil
effects of cigarettes and booze.  Then our state outlawed such publications
under the "standards of the community" doctrine even before passage of the
national law and the parallel executive order.
  And a cache I had hidden "perfectly" in our attic disappeared.  Worse, the
works of Mr. H. G. Wells and M. Jules Verne and some others were taken out
of our public library.
  You have to admire the motives of our spiritual leaders and elected
officials in seeking to protect the minds of the young.  As Brother Draper
pointed out, there are enough exciting and adventurous stories in the Good
Book to satisfy the needs of every boy and girl in the world; there was simply
no need for profane literature.  He was not urging censorship of books for
adults, just for the impressionable young.  If persons of mature years wanted
to read such fantastic trash, suffer them to do so--although he, for one,
could not see why any grown man would want to.


Have at it :)


#185 of 195 by jazz on Fri Mar 19 14:02:46 1999:

        On the bright side, what's come to replace them is Neal Stephenson and
Anne Harris and Janet Hagan.


#186 of 195 by void on Fri Mar 19 14:14:38 1999:

   robert a. heinlein?


#187 of 195 by aruba on Fri Mar 19 15:16:11 1999:

It sounds like Heinlein, but I can't quite place it.  The line about there
being enough stories in the Bible for everyone is familiar, though.

Hmmm.  I'll guess Asimov.


#188 of 195 by jep on Fri Mar 19 15:40:19 1999:

It's a familiar quote, and it does sound like Heinlein.  I cannot place 
the story, though.

Oh, yes I can, it's from "Job: A Comedy of Justice" by Heinlein.


#189 of 195 by valkyrie on Fri Mar 19 16:35:14 1999:

Looks like void got it.  I was hoping it'd last a little longer than
a couple hours, but oh well :).  


#190 of 195 by flem on Fri Mar 19 21:28:41 1999:

Heinlein isn't likely to last long around here.  Even I'd have gotten that
one, had I been timely enough.  :)


#191 of 195 by void on Sat Mar 20 02:16:20 1999:

   i have a quotation in mind, but don't have time to enter it before
i go to work tonight so it will have to wait until tomorrow.


#192 of 195 by void on Sat Mar 20 13:15:36 1999:

   hmmm.  looking at the date, would anyone mind if i wait until agora
rolls to enter the quotation?


#193 of 195 by aruba on Sat Mar 20 18:50:08 1999:

Sounds like a good idea.


#194 of 195 by davel on Sun Mar 21 22:58:30 1999:

Someone please link the new item into Books.


#195 of 195 by remmers on Tue Mar 23 12:59:48 1999:

It's been done. The new item is #83 in Books. (item:books,83)


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