Grex Books Conference

Item 18: The Bookstore Item

Entered by danr on Fri Jul 1 19:00:42 1994:

40 new of 67 responses total.


#28 of 67 by anne on Thu May 16 00:35:07 1996:

I really like Shaman Drum (I get a lot of my textbooks from the upstairs
section) The downstairs has some really cool books.



#29 of 67 by denise on Sat May 25 20:57:52 1996:

The Community Newscenter isn't there anymore????

I heard that one of my brother's will be working at the Little Professor
bookstore this summer.


#30 of 67 by spensuh on Sun Jun 9 22:26:43 1996:

Just thought I'd say hello...I work for Waldenbooks in the home office..
for the record that is Waldenbooks/Borders both owned by BGI, Inc. :-)


#31 of 67 by freida on Tue Jun 11 23:50:19 1996:

Hey, does this mean that Waldenbooks will now be able to order a wider variety
of books?  That would be really cool since I live in an area which is
bookstore impaired with only two bookstores...Waldenbooks and Bookland.  The
selection in the stores is rather limited.


#32 of 67 by spensuh on Sun Jun 16 21:18:22 1996:

You can always special order a title. As for ordering a greater variety of
books we always have had a great variety. If Walden doesn't have it
try borders, if borders doesn't have it try brentanos ;-) <all the
same people>


#33 of 67 by mwarner on Wed Jul 16 00:11:02 1997:

Here's a specialty bookstore online that features almost everything
available about bats and caves, called Speleobooks:
http://www.albany.net/~oldbat/.  If you are interested in those topics
this site is the greatest show on earth.  Of course I am biased because I
designed the site and am more or less kept employed these days by
Speleobooks.  The owner was inadvertently made somewhat famous a few years
ago by breaking her leg in Lechuguilla Cave and having her rescue followed
on the nightly national news.


#34 of 67 by mziemba on Thu Oct 30 17:57:35 1997:

I've heard pretty good things about www.amazon.com, an online bookstore with
a pretty cool set-up.  In addition to having a pretty large selection, special
ordering, and an impressive search engine, it allows users to record comments
about books.  This provides an interesting way of learning more about books
that have piqued your interest.


#35 of 67 by rcurl on Thu Oct 30 19:40:57 1997:

I've baught from amazon.com, and some others like them. It is very convenient
and one can get real bargains, My pet peeve, though, is that they are not
open about the cost for "shipping and handling", which can kill those
bargain prices. 


#36 of 67 by danr on Sun Dec 7 16:29:06 1997:

This is interesting.  When I first entered this item, many moons ago,
there were no on-line bookstores.  Now there are quite a few.  In fact,
I'm working on opening up an online bookstor of my own specializing in
engineering books.

As was noted, Community Newscenter is long gone, but in accordance
with the dictum that nature abhors a vacuum, a new one has popped up
in its place.  Main Street News now occupies the space that was formerly
an Elmo's t-shirt store. (Actually, I think Elmo still occupies a bit
of space in the back.)  In addition, the new Border's has a better 
periodical selection than at the old location, Shaman Drum has an
interesting magazine section, and Tower Records and Books on South U.
has a big selection.


#37 of 67 by omni on Sun Dec 7 17:25:24 1997:

  I found a really good resource for "books that the stores in ann arbor don't
have", which is http://www.abebooks.com This site has a search feature by
author, title and keyword. This is how I found a copy of Caryl Chessman's
"Cell 2455, Death Row". I have also found some others that were mentioned 
in the series I saw on the History Channel, the 50's.
  Can't wait to read Peyton Place. ;)


#38 of 67 by mwarner on Sat Dec 20 12:52:03 1997:

One problem with Amazon.com is that I know they list books which are out
of print and completely unavailable, and which they never have and never
will stock.  Plenty of real bookstores can special order books, which is
all Amazon does for the vast majority of titles. In addition, a bookstore
with a defined subject area will stock specialty titles and buy
remaindered books about to disappear from general circulation of special
interest to their clients.  All of which provides specific sources for
specific types of books, which Amazon.com doesn't do and will never do. 
If you have a specific topic of ongoing interest to you, it is in your own
interest to find a book dealer who supports that topic in depth and in
turn support them.


#39 of 67 by rcurl on Sat Dec 20 18:52:07 1997:

I ordered a book from amazon.com, and they came back after a bit and told
me the price had increased. This fits with what Mike says above, since
they can't keep updating prices for the enormous numbers of books they just
list but don't have in stock. I felt like it was false advertising, but
I don't think I have any recourse to get the originally listed price.
However I have gotten remaindered books from them for lower prices than
I could find elsewhere (until someone mentioned they had found a title
I wanted at some book warehouse, for a lower price than I had paid
amazon.com).

What I do is search a whole slew of online book vendors for best prices.
I'd only have a vendor do a search for me, however, if it was a must-have
out of print book.


#40 of 67 by omni on Sat Dec 20 19:40:17 1997:

  I go to Little Professor. If they don't have it, or cannot get it, 
it can't be gotten. I have never been disappointed.


#41 of 67 by rcurl on Sat Dec 20 20:45:15 1997:

"it can't be gotten" is too strong. No bookstores can have total access to
every existing book source.


#42 of 67 by omni on Sun Dec 21 07:26:44 1997:

 Maybe that is a little too strong. Still....



#43 of 67 by mcnally on Sun Dec 21 19:42:20 1997:

  I'm sure this is heresy in a bookstore item but I find that if I want
  it and it's hard to find it's usually easiest to get it from the library
  on an inter-library loan.  Somebody, *somewhere* is going to have it and
  libraries are amazingly good at finding it and getting it for you (and
  charge you far less, I suspect, than what it costs them to do so..)
  It's unusual that a book turns out to be one that I just *have* to own
  unless it's a reference book of some sort or some textbook or technical
  manual that I must consult frequently.



#44 of 67 by mwarner on Mon Dec 22 01:40:16 1997:

Libraries aren't bad news for book sellers.  They, too, buy their books
after all.  I can think of many titles that are supported greatly by
institutional buying of libraries.  To get favorably reviewed in one of
the major library journals is a stroke of good fortune for a book, not the
kiss of death.  Most book authors/publishers would be extremely happy to
be widely circulated among libraries.  Many will never see the inside of a
Borders or Barnes and Noble unless they are shopping for the mass market
titles of others. I would say that the existence of public libraries has
led to my purchase of more books than bookstores alone ever would have. 

  By the way, if you are going to publish a book you wish to be considered
by a library journal, the major publications require that a review copy be
in hand several months *before* the stated date of publication. 



#45 of 67 by mcnally on Mon Dec 22 05:25:53 1997:

  Libraries, however, *are* in a sort of competition with book retailers
  and since this is the bookstore item..


#46 of 67 by mwarner on Mon Dec 22 21:08:53 1997:

I may have been taking a somewhat wider view in suggesting that libraries
supplement and even support book retailers.  I was also taking a very
practical view, as I am a book retailer.  Our very small company also does
some limited distribution & wholesaling, and right now we are trying to
interest libraries in a very worthwhile title that we have given as wide
exposure as possible within its (and our) niche, but would love to see in
libraries. 



#47 of 67 by mwarner on Wed Jan 21 00:17:55 1998:

An interesting footnote about amazon.com:  They just contacted us in
search of a title, which they bought from us for $15.00 & shipping.  They
paid the normal retail price because the book is out of print and not one
which we wholesale. They also paid for the phone calls and employee time
to track us down.  I assume whoever took Amazon's  bait will end up paying
substantially more than we have the book available for, and still hasn't
found a book dealer with the inventory they are in search of, however
many zillions of titles amazon claims.  I also assume that amazon will
lose on the deal.  We're fairly easy to find on the internet, in spite of
being extremely small because we are so specialized, i.e. reasonably easy
to search for by topics of interest (caves & bats).


#48 of 67 by gillmore on Fri Sep 25 16:02:08 1998:

Is Mike Warner the only other person still in this conference?  I wanted 
to rhapsodize about Dawn Treader Books, but no one will read it, 
apparently.


#49 of 67 by rcurl on Fri Sep 25 16:19:32 1998:

"here"... :)


#50 of 67 by remmers on Fri Sep 25 16:30:07 1998:

I'm here too. Please feel free to rhapsodize -- I always enjoy
stopping in at Dawn Treader, never knowing what treasure I will
find.


#51 of 67 by rcurl on Fri Sep 25 16:56:17 1998:

I've probably purchased more books from the West Side Bookshop than from
any other local used bookstore. Recently, though, my purchases through the
web (where one can search enormous inventories by subject, title, etc) 
have exceeded those from shops. Shops should put their inventory on their
own computer, for customer use, though many of them are listing their
inventories with web sites like ABE. 



#52 of 67 by remmers on Sat Sep 26 00:35:56 1998:

What's the URL of ABE, and what are some other good URL's for finding
used books?


#53 of 67 by rcurl on Sat Sep 26 06:58:24 1998:

http://www.abebooks.com/
http://www.outdoorbooks.com/obbargai.htm
http://www.bibliofind.com/
http://www.fishnet.net/~sandcat/misc.htm
http://hamiltonbook.com/
http://www.interloc.com/
http://www.outdoorbooks.com/bargain.htm


#54 of 67 by remmers on Sat Sep 26 10:59:07 1998:

Thanks much!


#55 of 67 by gillmore on Sat Sep 26 13:04:30 1998:

Has anyone read Glen Cook's 'Black Company' books, or 'Garrett, P.I.' 
books.  I keep hoping that there is one I missed.


#56 of 67 by rcurl on Sat Sep 26 14:17:42 1998:

Hmm...I was just copying URLs from my bookmark file, in #53, and didn't
notice the duplication....will have to clean that up.


#57 of 67 by mwarner on Wed Oct 14 00:58:09 1998:

try www.mxbf.com as well.  It is a sort of "super book search" that combs
several databases in a single go.  I have had the best results on
bibliofind overall.





#58 of 67 by denise on Mon Feb 19 00:48:46 2007:

Instead of entering a new item, I'll re-activate this one...  

So what's new on the bookstore scene?  With a Borders now at Arborland, is
the one downtown still there? I'm assuming it is. I still don't like the newer
Borders as well as the original one on State St... [but Border's does have
a better magazine selection than many other places I've been to].  Are there
still a lot of independent bookstores in the area and how have the bigger
stores affected them? [ie, B&N, Borders...]. 

One independent store that I really liked is on 9th Street in Durham near the
Duke campus. It's a bit eclectic and fun as well [and they frequently would
have authors come in and do readings for the public].  Do any of the
bookstores in this area do that? 


#59 of 67 by edina on Mon Feb 19 01:50:06 2007:

Out here we have the normals:  Barnes & Noble and Borders.  We also 
have a smaller independent, Changing Hands in Tempe, that gets all the 
great signings (Jimmy Carter was there recently).

But my two favorites are Bookman's and Half-Priced Books.  Both are 
used book/media stores and I always walk out with steals.  I love them.


#60 of 67 by slynne on Mon Feb 19 15:42:45 2007:

resp:58 The downtown Ann Arbor Borders store is still open. I like to 
go there to sit in the cafe because it has such a great view of Liberty 
Street. I also get a really good employee discount there. 

There are a number of decent independent bookstores in downtown Ann 
Arbor. There are none really in Ypsilanti which I think is strange. I 
mean people in Ypsilanti read! Of course, it is a 10 minute drive to 
Arborland so it isnt like Ypsilantians are suffering all *that* much. 
Plus there are a couple of good used book stores in Ypsilanti and a 
wonderful library. 



#61 of 67 by remmers on Mon Mar 5 21:36:20 2007:

I still like to browse the Borders downtown store in Ann Arbor, but I've 
noticed that lately they're devoting significantly less space to books 
and more to peripheral stuff like greeting cards and stationery.

Re independent book stores:  I'm partial to Shaman Drum on State Street, 
but only when I'm a "serious" mood, since their focus is scholarly - no 
mystery or scifi departments, for instance.  But for literature and the 
humanities and interesting "little" magazines, they're quite good.

Another place I like to browse is Vault of Midnight on Main Street.  
It's a comic book with some really nice selection.

What are some of the other independent bookstores in the Ann Arbor area 
(or anywhere else) that people like?


#62 of 67 by cmcgee on Tue Mar 6 09:29:47 2007:

You missed Nichola's and that mystery place on South Fourth.  Both are owned
by local folks, who give at least as fast service as Borders and Barnes and
Noble, and who remember your name as well.


#63 of 67 by remmers on Thu Mar 8 18:13:25 2007:

The mystery place is Aunt Agatha's, I believe.  Being something of a 
mystery addict, I like to browse there too.

Nicola's is nice, although since I no longer live in the neighborhood, I 
don't get there often.  There used to be a Nicola's conveniently located 
on the north side of town, but it closed a few years ago.


#64 of 67 by gelinas on Mon Apr 9 02:36:33 2007:

Let's see . . .   Nicola's, Shaman Drum and Aunt Agatha's have been mentioned.
I think that pretty much covers the new-book sceee.  Nicola's and Shaman Drum
have signings, etc.

There are also some good used-book stores, in addition to the collectors'
sources.  I think Afterwords closed, but that might be because I've not
looked for it recently.  The Dawn Treader should still be doing well.


#65 of 67 by remmers on Mon Apr 9 10:28:47 2007:

Afterwords closed; the space is now occupied by the comic book store Vault 
of Midnight.


#66 of 67 by denise on Sat May 5 08:16:31 2007:

As I was driving down Main St the other day, I noticed that Afterwards wasn't
there anymore.  I was recently over at Westgate but didn't get a chance to
check out Nicola's.  Eventually I will...


#67 of 67 by slynne on Sat May 5 12:33:45 2007:

Yeah, I have a friend who worked at Afterwords. Even after she got a
"real job" somewhere else, she still worked a few shifts a week at the
bookstore because she loved it so much. she was heart broken when they
decided to close. 


There are no more items selected.

You have several choices: