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re #65 jep I'll give you that. What I am is outspoken, and cyklone thinks that does "incredible harm to liberal ideas" I believe strongly that the liberal cause has been beaten down into the ground by the right wing, who have simply been more outspoken than we have. None of the ideas I talk about are anything but liberal orthodoxy and cyklone knows this. Raising the minimum wage? abortion rights? protecting social security from privatization? What is wrong with being outspoken, what is wrong with showing passion for the issues? Cyklone if you don't like my approach fine, it takes all kinds to make the world. But it just hasn't worked for the democratic party to be good little centerists who keep their mouths shut and make as little waves as possible. When you don't speak up, you get crushed. Speaking out is the american way, and it is something more people need to do. I believe cyklone, who sits in judgement and seems more comfortable attacking the left for being too outspoken than attacking the right for anything, does more harm to the liberal cause than I do. I go out on the sidewalks and I pound the pavement for my candidates and my causes. I was at a reception for a congressional candidate today. He's not in my district, he's one district over, but I'm going to support him financially and otherwise, because he's outspoken and also believes the left has spent too many years muzzled by the center in the party. Come back to me cyklone and tell me how I'm damaging the cause when you can say what and where you've done and what your ideas are. Everyone knows mine. What are yours?
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