Grex Agora47 Conference

Item 9: Happy Happy Joy Joy

Entered by tpryan on Wed Sep 24 13:25:41 2003:

        Was has made this a good day.  Say something about it here.
560 responses total.

#1 of 560 by twenex on Wed Sep 24 22:35:34 2003:

IAHB (I Am Happy Because) I got here first!


#2 of 560 by mary on Wed Sep 24 22:54:47 2003:

The new Whole Foods is, well, amazing.  


#3 of 560 by cmcgee on Wed Sep 24 23:04:23 2003:

Drove past, saw the cars circling the parking lot and decided to go buy my
milk at the coop.  I'll wait until next week, when all the sightseers have
cleared out of the aisles.


#4 of 560 by jaklumen on Thu Sep 25 00:23:19 2003:

The ticket has been taken care of-- don't know if the judge lowered 
the speeding portion of the fine, but the insurance part was waved as 
I proved I had insurance.

Also, an acquaintance assured me my friend is resilient and will get 
through her trouble (see previous Agora)... it is still a little hard, 
now, being shut out.


#5 of 560 by slynne on Thu Sep 25 00:32:40 2003:

I guess that they are closing the old Whole Foods?


#6 of 560 by i on Thu Sep 25 00:48:22 2003:

Was the new Whole Foods opening why traffic on Huron Parkway was backed
up almost to Huron River Dr.?


#7 of 560 by cmcgee on Thu Sep 25 00:55:46 2003:

they closed the old Whole Foods and the old Merchant of Vino last week.


#8 of 560 by happyboy on Thu Sep 25 01:42:23 2003:

i hate whole foods.


#9 of 560 by keesan on Thu Sep 25 03:24:02 2003:

When is Arbor Farms moving to Farmer Jacks' old location west of town?
We went by and noticed that they are advertising 'low carb' food - Jim says
this is probably bottled water - low fat and low sodium as well.

I am happy to have received a home-made get well card with four cats on it
from charcat the cat and charcat the grexer.

Also a free GNU Squirrel Mail webmail account from jlamb, which unlike my ISP
is fast and easy to use, labels its links with words instead of just the word
'TRUE", has an address book, and gives you the option of forwarding
attachments and revealing the full header.  I will forward spamcop replies
to it and test if it even displays other fonts such as Cyrillic.

I am happy that I was able to walk all the way around the block today.


#10 of 560 by tod on Thu Sep 25 05:57:44 2003:

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#11 of 560 by twenex on Thu Sep 25 11:09:26 2003:

re #10: When do you get to meat your counterpart from Russia? ;-P

Re #9: Really good news, Sindi. Keep it up! 8D.


#12 of 560 by mary on Thu Sep 25 12:26:35 2003:

Yep, Whole Foods was a circus yesterday.  Everyone got a long-stemmed
yellow rose and a welcome.  Staff was on-hand everywhere giving out
samples and helping you find what you needed.  But what looks like my
favorite part is the new deli & prepared food section.  It's a
mini-Harrod's.  There is indoor cafe seating and and a nice patio, where I
sat and enjoyed a delicious bowl of gingered squash soup, a grilled
vegetable panini, and watched the show.

*Now* Whole Foods would be a swell debrief site.  Unless they stay
as swamped as yesterday.


#13 of 560 by happyboy on Thu Sep 25 19:12:40 2003:

ask them how they feel about smaller co-ops like
the ypsi food co-op or people's food co-op, also
ask them how they feel about unions.


whole foods is a yuppie/pc wal-mart.

/airs out the patchouli stink


#14 of 560 by scott on Thu Sep 25 23:29:55 2003:

Friends with friends who worked at Merchant of Vino (bought out by Whole Foods
and closed a couple weeks ago) tell stories of Whole Foods systematically
dissing the MOV employees who were offered jobs at the new WH store. 
Basically if you ran your department you could get equivalent pay at WH, but
for a shelf-drone job.  I'm sure that more indignities await anybody who took
that offer, so that WH can ditch their salaries as soon as possible.


#15 of 560 by jaklumen on Fri Sep 26 01:29:31 2003:

I have yet to see the type of co-op you describe around where I live, 
I think.

We'll be getting an interesting grocery store in my hometown, 
however.  Not sure quite yet how to describe it.


#16 of 560 by richard on Fri Sep 26 01:36:52 2003:

I like the Whole Foods store here in Manhattan, its where I go to buy my
alfalfa sprout bread


#17 of 560 by jep on Fri Sep 26 02:44:35 2003:

Merchant of Vino closed?

I hadn't heard, and I work at Domino's Farms.  That's quite a bummer.  
They had a wonderful selection of beer.


#18 of 560 by anderyn on Fri Sep 26 14:01:55 2003:

I loved Merchant of Vino. Haven't yet been to the new Whole Foods, though I
need to check it out... see if they carry *any* of the things I loved at
Merchant of Vino.


#19 of 560 by tod on Fri Sep 26 18:17:50 2003:

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#20 of 560 by twenex on Fri Sep 26 20:18:48 2003:

Very cool. Happy new year!


#21 of 560 by keesan on Fri Sep 26 20:29:32 2003:

I have gained 7 pounds since Sept. 1.  Today I weigh 100 pounds.  (I lost
about 20 due to cancer this spring and summer).  I was able to sit on the
grass for a bit without a cushion.


#22 of 560 by tod on Fri Sep 26 20:46:52 2003:

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#23 of 560 by lynne on Fri Sep 26 22:32:28 2003:

IHB my interview with 3M went very well--the interviewer even made reference
to wanting to bring me out to Minnesota for a visit.  Studiously ignoring the
little voice that keeps pointing out that Minnesota isn't much closer to 
Malibu than Boston...it was nice anyway.  Plus, I then went out drinking
with my labmates and kicked their sorry little strategizing asses at dominoes.
  :)  Also, the interviewer at 3M was under the initial impression that I
was a German rather than US citizen--I wonder if that's a commonly held
misconception?  Might explain a few things.


#24 of 560 by jaklumen on Sat Sep 27 00:58:26 2003:

Today's job interview resulted in a referral to another job department 
and a second interview.


#25 of 560 by remmers on Sat Sep 27 12:34:14 2003:

(Re #23: Why would they get the impression that you're a German citizen?
Because you spent some time there?)


#26 of 560 by scott on Sun Sep 28 05:27:13 2003:

Found a cool Futurama fan site ( http://www.gotfuturama.com ) and
downloaded a nice wallpaper for my notebook.


#27 of 560 by tod on Sun Sep 28 13:37:57 2003:

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#28 of 560 by asddsa on Sun Sep 28 16:33:43 2003:

Humour


#29 of 560 by tod on Sun Sep 28 17:43:26 2003:

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#30 of 560 by asddsa on Mon Sep 29 01:44:45 2003:

TODODDODODOD STOP YOU MIGHT BE FILTERED


#31 of 560 by jaklumen on Mon Sep 29 04:03:55 2003:

not by me.


#32 of 560 by lynne on Mon Sep 29 14:53:23 2003:

re 25:  I spent a year there between undergrad and grad, doing research, so
I listed that on my resume.  I suppose at first glance an interviewer might
mistake Uni-Tuebingen for my undergrad alma mater.  Or maybe it's just that
they assume a natural-born US citizen wouldn't be able to speak any other
language fluently :)
Spent a significant portion of the weekend reading articles from groups that
I'm interested in postdoc-ing in, and was left with an "I can do this!"
feeling.  Very reassuring.


#33 of 560 by richard on Wed Oct 1 06:13:51 2003:

IVHB I got to see Fleetwood Mac in concert tonight at Madison Square 
Garden.  This was sort of a last minute deal, the seats belonged to 
other people who couldn't go, and last night I was given the 
opportunity to get the tickets.  I said what the heck, you don't see 
these guys on tour that often, and besides I've always had a thing for 
Stevie Nicks, and I'm happy to say the years are treating her well, 
she's still very hot.  Anyway it turned out to be a great show.  They 
did a lot of old songs, along with songs from their new album.

Some of the songs really brought back the past.  When Stevie, dressed 
in all black of course, sang "Rhiannon", it gave me chills.  Stevie 
belted out the lyrics, "All your life you've never seen a woman, taken 
by the wind...would you stay if she promised you heaven?"  And the 
audience singing with her as one, sings "Rhiaaaanon!"  "would you s tay 
if she promised you heaven?"  "Rhiaaaanon!"  Talk about a song that 
brings back memories.  

If you see Fleetwood Mac in concert, it becomes pretty clear before 
long that there is tremendous chemistry/affection between Stevie Nicks 
and Lindsay Buckingham.  They used to be a couple and you get the 
pretty clear idea that on some level they still love each other.  When 
Stevie did the beautiful song, "Landslide", she sang the first verses, 
ending with "Well I've been afraid of changing, because I've built my 
life around you,  But time makes you bolder, even children get older, 
and I'm getting older too"  And then Buckingham does a beautiful 
acoustic guitar solo in the middle of the song, and while he's playing, 
Stevie goes over and hugs him from behind and they look at each other.  
And you could see on the jumbotron that Stevie had tears in her eyes.  
Very moving.  Obviously the song speaks of their relationship, and even 
if they haven't been a couple in a number of years, you can't be on 
stage in a setting like that and not have it affect you when you sing 
it.  They also did a beautiful duet on "Say You Will", the title song 
of their new album.  

They also did old classics like Dreams, Never Going Back Again, Gold 
Dust Woman, Second Hand News, Beautiful Child, and of course Go Your 
Own Way and a loud, rockin' "Don't Stop" (Don't Stop Thinking about 
Tomorrow") in the encore.

One of the show's highlights was during the encore set when Mick 
Fleetwood did a long bongo solo in "World Turning" that brought down 
the house.     

All in all, a great show from one of the great bands.  They played two 
and a half hours without an opening act, setting a tempo and a pace 
that would blow away bands half their age.  Fleetwood Mac, well worth 
seeing while they are still on tour! 


#34 of 560 by michaela on Wed Oct 1 10:34:08 2003:

IHB a friend and I sat in his living room and had a very deep, cleansing
conversation for several hours tonight.
IAHB it's cold, and October is my favourite month. :)


#35 of 560 by murph on Wed Oct 1 14:02:24 2003:

I'm happy because I got my leather jacket back from the local shoe repair
place last night, and he did an *extremely* good job of replacing the zipper.

Though, since the bike is patiently awaiting my return in my parents' garage
(poor neglected bike), I'm still singing along to The Clash, "I've got my
motorcycle jacket, but I'm walking all the time."


#36 of 560 by aruba on Wed Oct 1 15:05:40 2003:

Re #33: Thanks for the review, Richard - sounds like a great time!


#37 of 560 by lynne on Wed Oct 1 15:22:36 2003:

IHB michaela is back.  :)  Also, I second 36--enjoyed reading the review.
Thanks, richard!


#38 of 560 by scott on Wed Oct 1 15:51:57 2003:

Looks like I've gotten my cheapo inkjet printer sufficiently unclogged to
print the high-quality photo paper stuff again - mostly I just hadn't tweaked
the Linux drivers on my new computer.  Now I can print chainmail business
cards with the current phone number!

(just in time to be late for Ren Fest...)


#39 of 560 by jiffer on Wed Oct 1 16:46:00 2003:

IHB I swam my 8 laps for swimming class within the specified time to 
earn a B, I was off by 1 minute and 30 seconds to acheive that A.  

IAHB I am going to be off from both jobs this weekend.  I am going to 
light the fire, turn on GPR, get out the Micro book and study for the 
test that is coming up in 2.5 weeks. 



#40 of 560 by edina on Wed Oct 1 18:18:05 2003:

IHB Richard's review brought back memories of when I saw them here in DC not
that long ago - he's right - they are truly amazing.  My favorite song was
"Gold Dust Woman" - Stevie Nicks rocked!!!

IHB I'm back at work and enjoying it.  And I'm even happier because I'm going
to Phoenix in two weeks to see the new man.  Rock on.


#41 of 560 by michaela on Wed Oct 1 18:57:49 2003:

Re #37 - I never left. I just lurk a lot. :)


#42 of 560 by gelinas on Wed Oct 1 19:34:32 2003:

(What is "GPR"?)


#43 of 560 by slynne on Wed Oct 1 20:13:57 2003:

IHB of no particular reason. 


#44 of 560 by beeswing on Wed Oct 1 22:08:55 2003:

I saw Fleetwood Mac when I was 11, back in 1983. Before they all went to
rehab.

October is my fave month too. 


#45 of 560 by michaela on Wed Oct 1 22:40:27 2003:

IHB I have the highest grade in my Abnormal Psych class (91%). The next
highest grade is a 76%. :-P


#46 of 560 by happyboy on Thu Oct 2 01:07:18 2003:

condolences!


#47 of 560 by slynne on Thu Oct 2 01:52:19 2003:

If that class is any good, it will give you a whole new meaning to 
Madonna's "borderline"


#48 of 560 by aruba on Thu Oct 2 02:41:20 2003:

"Borderline" by Madonna was playing on the radio the night I had my first
kiss.  What do you think it means, Lynne?


#49 of 560 by katie on Thu Oct 2 03:48:59 2003:

(You're old? ;-))


#50 of 560 by tsty on Thu Oct 2 08:28:53 2003:

(heh-heh) ...


#51 of 560 by slynne on Thu Oct 2 13:18:45 2003:

HAHA. I cant top Katie's response!


#52 of 560 by tod on Thu Oct 2 15:10:35 2003:

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#53 of 560 by aruba on Thu Oct 2 15:31:39 2003:

Heh.  Guess I walked into that.


#54 of 560 by lynne on Thu Oct 2 15:51:51 2003:

That'd be an interesting item--what song was playing during your first kiss.
Wish I could remember.  


#55 of 560 by michaela on Thu Oct 2 17:34:02 2003:

Re #54 - I believe it was "London Calling" by the Clash.


#56 of 560 by flem on Thu Oct 2 20:33:07 2003:

No song, but it was just after watching Schindler's list.  Not sure what that
says.  :)


#57 of 560 by tod on Thu Oct 2 20:43:28 2003:

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#58 of 560 by flem on Thu Oct 2 21:09:27 2003:

Heh, I was in high school.  :)


#59 of 560 by asddsa on Thu Oct 2 23:20:39 2003:

You were in high school?


#60 of 560 by goose on Fri Oct 3 00:48:04 2003:

No song, but we were in the cockpit of her dad's Cessna (On the ground, it
was much later when I joined the Mile High Club)


#61 of 560 by beeswing on Fri Oct 3 02:42:31 2003:

Hmm... some weird song on a mixed tape the guy had made. 


#62 of 560 by scott on Fri Oct 3 12:24:56 2003:

Sleep schedule seems to be skewing back towards the normal morning time.


#63 of 560 by gull on Fri Oct 3 12:50:20 2003:

Re #60: Was she a contortionist? ;)  I've been in a few small airplanes
and they make compact cars look roomy.


#64 of 560 by flem on Fri Oct 3 17:09:41 2003:

IHB Zingerman's Roadhouse is as good as I'd hoped.  (Based on one visit, that
is.  Certainly further testing will be required.  :)


#65 of 560 by gelinas on Fri Oct 3 21:01:57 2003:

Indeed.  The menu is changing regularly (they say daily, but I only have
two samples, several days apart).  We should arrange a grex-test. :)

IAHB we got the boat back to its dock; the owner was afraid we'd have
to fetch up wherever we could and walk back (south) to the marina.
The experience was . . . exhilarating.  (The boat was one the owner had
built.)


#66 of 560 by jaklumen on Sat Oct 4 00:18:34 2003:

Phone call today for another job interview next week-- the employer is 
the folks that built my parents' house.  I'm encouraged that more 
interviews are turning up in the job search  If only I could get to 
the job offer stage now...


#67 of 560 by scott on Sat Oct 4 13:25:48 2003:

Got the new Neal Stephenson book last night.  Pretty good so far...


#68 of 560 by russ on Sat Oct 4 13:26:26 2003:

Some idiot-proof software... wasn't, quite.

Given that most programmers are idiots, this code seemed
*designed* to frustrate any attempt to modify it usefully.
It had unrelated hardware initializations, was set up to
cause spurious interrupts if another hardware subsystem
was activated, and had zero useful comments.  This might
have been intended as a minefield of bugs to prevent
modification by the aforesaid idiots; touch anything and
it breaks.  (Or perhaps just a bunch of cruft left over
from idiots.  Half-dozen names in the headers on some files.)

Got it analyzed, stripped out the superfluities, re-jiggered
the principles of operation (worked the first time, amazingly
enough), found the underlying bug that caused the need for this
work in the first place, fixed THAT... system runs smooth as
silk now when it used to crash left and right.

Damn I feel good.


#69 of 560 by dah on Sat Oct 4 14:47:08 2003:

Neal Stephenson is just a TRP CC.


#70 of 560 by senna on Sun Oct 5 00:46:51 2003:

I'm safely home after my... er, our honeymoon.  There is no phone line yet
in my new "home," so by internet conectibility is pretty much nil.  I'm logged
on from my mother's house at the moment, and only to post this message.  The
ceremony, the day, and the trip were all just terrific.



#71 of 560 by murph on Sun Oct 5 01:18:56 2003:

(#67: have you seen the Metaweb?  Stephenson set up a wiki for annotations
(his own and others') on Quicksilver and on people/events/concepts mentioned
therein.  It would probably be interesting if I weren't so afraid of spoilers
that I've avoided reading anything on it. 
http://www.metaweb.com/wiki/wiki.phtml )


#72 of 560 by keesan on Sun Oct 5 03:04:05 2003:

Where did you go on the honeymoon?  (I got behind in agora last time).


#73 of 560 by jiffer on Mon Oct 6 01:43:27 2003:

IHB I get to see Radiohead tomorrow.  I have the homework and the lab work
all finished for monday morning, so all I have to do it go to my classes,
count some E. aureus, and then I am off to Atlanta! booha!


#74 of 560 by lynne on Mon Oct 6 02:18:00 2003:

IHB I had an overall lovely weekend in Michigan.  Apple picking with the boy
and his parents, Whole Foods and a bookstore visit with mine, and tickets to
the Wings v Leafs preseason game Saturday night (the 1-1 tie, not the 4-2
loss).  I've missed hockey season.  Not quite as much as I miss my boy, but
him I can at least call.


#75 of 560 by russ on Mon Oct 6 03:16:52 2003:

Found the PC speakers I knew I had (just didn't know where
they'd gotten to). Need a power supply, though.


#76 of 560 by scg on Mon Oct 6 06:11:19 2003:

Congratulations, Steve!


#77 of 560 by michaela on Mon Oct 6 06:12:07 2003:

Senna - congrats on the wedding. I'm having issues picturing you *married*,
but I'll get used to it. :) Wow. Happy news, indeed.

IHB the boy and I have smoothed out our issues, and we had a wonderful, happy
weekend for the first time in over a month. It was rough going for a while,
but it was worth the tears and lost sleep. Phew. :)


#78 of 560 by edina on Mon Oct 6 14:56:14 2003:

I go to Phoenix in 10 days and we have decided to spend some time at the Grand
Canyon!  Woo hoo!!


#79 of 560 by mcnally on Mon Oct 6 16:10:40 2003:

  Should you decide to hike down into the canyon (on the South Kaibab Trail,
  most likely) be sensible about the amount of water you take with you.
  The last time I was there I was appalled at the number of people who were
  headed down into the canyon with little or no water, despite the strongly
  worded warning signs begging them not to do so.  Having become dehydrated
  on another canyon hike, I can promise you that "no fun" is about the *best*
  you can hope for if you get seriously dehydrated in the canyon.

  That said, the Grand Canyon is phenomenal even in a part of the country
  that's brimming over with spectacular scenery.  Dress warmly, the south
  rim is at over 8,000 feet.


#80 of 560 by edina on Mon Oct 6 17:31:46 2003:

That's what I keep hearing.  I will dress warmly and I'll take plenty of
water.


#81 of 560 by mcnally on Mon Oct 6 19:21:38 2003:

  (or rather, dress in layers..  the temperature climbs quickly in the
  Canyon once you leave the rim and continues to rise as you descend.)


#82 of 560 by edina on Mon Oct 6 20:04:39 2003:

I don't think we'll be hiking down.  Dave has ankle issues, I'm still in
recovery.  I just want to see it.


#83 of 560 by jiffer on Tue Oct 7 14:02:39 2003:

ISVHB I am now recovering from the Radiohead concert last night.  Awesome
stage show, awesome light show, the music is even better live.  AND SUPERGRASS
OPENED! Sorry.  All I can say is wow.  wow.


#84 of 560 by beeswing on Tue Oct 7 21:44:44 2003:

IHB of a cool show on Sunday night... I LOVE Th' Legendary Shack Shakers!


#85 of 560 by scott on Tue Oct 7 23:27:09 2003:

Nice weather not totally wasted, since I finally got around to opening up the
inside of my car's door, pulling out the latch mechanism, and cleaning off
a lot of dust-infested (and winter-freezing-solid) grease.


#86 of 560 by slynne on Wed Oct 8 12:56:47 2003:

I sat outside in the sunshine for a bit yesterday. That was nice.


#87 of 560 by edina on Wed Oct 8 14:58:23 2003:

I am very very happy that I got into a pair of jeans yesterday that two weeks
ago would have taken Jesus, baby oil and a shoe horn to make it possible. 



#88 of 560 by tod on Wed Oct 8 16:40:58 2003:

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#89 of 560 by remmers on Wed Oct 8 16:59:48 2003:

IVVHB the Merchant of Vino store on Plymouth Road - which closed recently
when its owner, Whole Foods, opened their megastore down on Washtenaw
Avenue - will be reopening soon under its ORIGINAL OWNER.


#90 of 560 by edina on Wed Oct 8 17:53:18 2003:

IVVHB I was just at the doctor.  I have been cleared to do many many things
(except yoga), he thinks I'm doing great and I'm down 44 lbs.


#91 of 560 by krj on Wed Oct 8 21:12:45 2003:

Wow, John, that's great news about the reincarnation of something resembling
Merchant of Vino.  


#92 of 560 by cmcgee on Wed Oct 8 21:14:44 2003:

re 89:  I'm very glad that rumor turned out to be true!


#93 of 560 by gelinas on Wed Oct 8 21:26:32 2003:

And I hear that Trader Joe's will open in the old Whole Foods location, but
maybe this has been mentioned before?  (I don't know Trader Joe's.)


#94 of 560 by mynxcat on Wed Oct 8 21:37:19 2003:

I love TRader Joe's. Lots of cool, healthy stuff. Not as exotic as I 
thought it would be, but the prices are really good. 


#95 of 560 by tod on Wed Oct 8 21:44:31 2003:

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#96 of 560 by anderyn on Wed Oct 8 23:10:19 2003:

IHB Gareth 's cat scan came out clean and they've now decided he can keep his
spleen and that it may be some form of pleurosis. Hurrah! And also that the
Merchant of Vino will be back (please, please, please!).


#97 of 560 by mcnally on Thu Oct 9 00:18:43 2003:

  I think, were I still in Ann Arbor, I'd do most of my earthy/crunchy
  grocery shopping at the People's Food Co-op but Trader Joes does have
  great prices on some stuff and some good store-brand items that make
  it worth having one around even in an area with an abundance of natural
  foods markets.


#98 of 560 by other on Thu Oct 9 01:05:20 2003:

If pleurisy is an infection of the lining of the lung (which I've had -- 
NOT pleasant), what is pleurosis?


#99 of 560 by bru on Thu Oct 9 01:43:49 2003:

his organs are trying to attach themselves to each other.  His splln has
attached itself to his lung, thus the pain.


#100 of 560 by jiffer on Thu Oct 9 01:44:18 2003:

Not a real word, though sounds like a root with an ending.. which would
normally mean an inflamation.

In my A&P and Microbiology classes, I have never heard of it as being
pleurosis...pleurisy, yes.


#101 of 560 by jiffer on Thu Oct 9 01:45:17 2003:

Sounds like Gareth is generating some scar tissue.  Icky.


#102 of 560 by gull on Thu Oct 9 02:05:08 2003:

I saw an article about Trader Joe's once that described it as part of a 
new trend to create niche grocery stores that target Yuppies.  I can't 
say that gave me much incentive to visit one.


#103 of 560 by mynxcat on Thu Oct 9 02:08:02 2003:

I don't think it's very yuppy


#104 of 560 by mcnally on Thu Oct 9 04:24:14 2003:

  I'd say it's substantially less yuppie than Whole Foods but if you're
  so concerned about image that you worry about what your choice of grocery
  stores says about you as a person, by all means continue to keep it real
  at Kroger or wherever you shop now..


#105 of 560 by michaela on Thu Oct 9 06:07:45 2003:

Re #96 - how do they plan to treat that? Is there a way to fix it? It sounds
horrible, but I'm glad he can keep his spleen. :)


#106 of 560 by scott on Thu Oct 9 07:39:42 2003:

Interview on Friday to be technical director at a smallish Michigan college
theatre.


#107 of 560 by keesan on Thu Oct 9 12:41:46 2003:

Pleurisy (from a medical dictionary):  inflammation of the pleura, with
exudation into its cavity and upon its surface.  May be acute or chronic. 
The acute version tends eventually to clear up.


#108 of 560 by anderyn on Thu Oct 9 12:47:48 2003:

Well, I 've had pleurisy twice or three times myself. Not fun. What he said
is that the doctor called it pleurosis and that it was in layman's terms:
"my organs are sticky and my spleen is sticking to my lung". He said that it
ws due to an old infection and that they were giving him some pretty strong
painkillers and telling him to drink lots of water (in hopes of de-sticky-ing
the organs). I can't find anything on the web for pleurosis save the pleurisy
entry myself. Since the only symptom he had was lots of pain, I hope this is
the right treatment. 


#109 of 560 by cmcgee on Thu Oct 9 13:08:24 2003:

Go Scott!


#110 of 560 by gull on Thu Oct 9 13:20:05 2003:

Re #104: It's not so much about image as about the fact that anything
pitched at Yuppies tends to be overpriced.


#111 of 560 by remmers on Thu Oct 9 13:52:37 2003:

IHB I was finally able to find a parking place and check out the
new Whole Foods store.  Quite fabulous, in an overpriced Yuppie
sort of way.  (Guess my age makes me more of a Guppie than a
Yuppie, though.)


#112 of 560 by mynxcat on Thu Oct 9 14:36:08 2003:

Re 110 - If that's what your concerned about, Trader Joe's is hardly
over-priced


#113 of 560 by other on Thu Oct 9 14:42:28 2003:

Congratulations, Scott.  :)  I'm glad he called you.


#114 of 560 by scott on Thu Oct 9 15:27:25 2003:

Yeah, I was meaning to thank you, Eric.  

So thanks!


#115 of 560 by lynne on Thu Oct 9 16:02:40 2003:

good luck, scott!
My parents and I had lunch at the new Whole Foods while I was in Ann Arbor
last weekend.  I was somewhat surprised that it was even more impressive
than the Cambridge version, which is also sizeable.  We hit the extensive
salad, etc. bars and threw it together with excellent French bread, 
Parrano cheese (two of my Whole Foods staples) and a selection of olives
from the olive bar.  Yum.
Trader Joe's is an excellent store.  Their produce section isn't very good,
but they have a large selection of cheeses at more than reasonable prices;
cheap pasta, yummy cereals and snacks, and a lot of really good prepared/
frozen foods.  With the prices that the large chain grocery stores charge
out here, I rarely patronize them anymore.


#116 of 560 by keesan on Thu Oct 9 16:05:08 2003:

Twila, how long does pleurisy take to go away?  I have had it for a few months
now - related to the fluid around my lungs that is no longer there (most of
it, anyway).


#117 of 560 by mdw on Thu Oct 9 16:17:02 2003:

According to http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Boulevard/1884/pg17.html
pleurosis means "a condition which affects the membranes or air sacs
lining the thoractic cavity of the lungs" and was so used by Tennessee
Williams in "The Glass Menagerie".

According to http://www.lesandhelga.com/sermons/2000/102200.htm
pleurosis means ""filling up" those ego-abandoned caverns of our hearts
with the spirit of Christ, and supposedly "Every Christian" should know
this greek work (also "kenosis").


#118 of 560 by rcurl on Thu Oct 9 16:28:20 2003:

Medscape and Medline have never heard of "pleurosis". 


#119 of 560 by scg on Thu Oct 9 16:57:20 2003:

Trader Joe's around here requires driving and dealing with traffic jams, and
then doesn't seem nearly as nice as the neighborhood stores.  Then again, the
neighborhood stores are generally a lot nicer than the old Ann Arbor Whole
Foods, as well.  I haven't tried the Whole Foods a couple miles from here.


#120 of 560 by goose on Thu Oct 9 17:03:51 2003:

Yeah, the Trader Joe's in Emeryville was a pain to get into/out of...but they
had great prices on wine.


#121 of 560 by happyboy on Thu Oct 9 17:13:02 2003:

i buy my vitamins there.


#122 of 560 by eskarina on Thu Oct 9 17:29:18 2003:

Where is a Trader Joe's around A2?  Or Lansing/Holt/East Lansing where 
I typically am?  What is it, exactly, anyhow?


#123 of 560 by tod on Thu Oct 9 17:34:20 2003:

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#124 of 560 by goose on Thu Oct 9 21:18:19 2003:

RE# 122 -- One is moving into the former Whole Foods location on Stadium.


#125 of 560 by tod on Thu Oct 9 21:26:34 2003:

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#126 of 560 by jiffer on Thu Oct 9 21:59:27 2003:

I think there is one in the Royal Oak area... at least I went to one near
where the great eeyore now resides...


#127 of 560 by i on Fri Oct 10 02:00:21 2003:

I checked out the food consumerism mecca generally known as "the new
Whole Foods" on Tuesday.  They had a new excuse for being out of stock
of the one staple that i haven't found at a less huge/crowded/pricy 
store.  ("Not enough room" was their standard excuse at the smaller/
older Whole Foods.)  I was on foot, so their packed/gridlocked lot
didn't matter.  

Time to bother a few nice little local stores to carry it again. 

No sign yet of preparing Whole Foods' old store to be a Trader Joe's. 


#128 of 560 by other on Fri Oct 10 02:07:49 2003:

Try bothering the folks at Big Ten Market on Packard.


#129 of 560 by aruba on Fri Oct 10 02:44:04 2003:

What's the staple, Walter?


#130 of 560 by glenda on Fri Oct 10 02:50:35 2003:

One of the students in the Cisco class I help teach works at Whole Foods and
gave me disappointing news.  We were talking about how good their sausages
are.  The instructor loves the chicken and turkey one, I love the breakfast
links.  He informed us that the chicken and turkey sausages (which people of
Mulism and Jewish faith really like, and people like the instructor who don't
eat red meat) is made with pork intestine casings.  The breakfast links are
now being made with lamb intestine casings (they all used to be made with
synthetic casings).  I am extremely allergic to lamb.  There went my source
of no sodium nitrate sausage.  I told him that he had better label them!


#131 of 560 by anderyn on Fri Oct 10 12:28:20 2003:

I am disappointed in their cheese selection since they're carrying pricier
more "organic" ones for some of my favorites, but oh well.


#132 of 560 by edina on Fri Oct 10 14:26:17 2003:

Whole Foods got me hooked on Perrano cheese.  For that, they can do no wrong.


#133 of 560 by lynne on Fri Oct 10 14:32:00 2003:

re 131:  Check out Trader Joes for reasonably priced cheeses--assuming that
one comes to the Ann Arbor area.  Out here TJ has Parrano cheese for $6-7
per pound, while WF charges $10-11, and TJ smoked gouda was also priced
much lower than any other local source.
IHB I watched the Wings game last night.  Game-winner, from Stevie Y,
at 1.7 seconds to go in the third--on a beautiful give-and-go with Whitney,
beat Potvin cleanly through the pads.  Outstanding.


#134 of 560 by slynne on Fri Oct 10 19:14:37 2003:

I am very happy that Trader Joes is *finally* coming to Ann Arbor. I 
have been driving all the way to the one in Farmington Hills (when I 
have another reason to be in that area). Trader Joes is much nicer than 
Whole Foods. 

I am also happy to hear about the Merchant of Vino because I often 
shopped there when on my way up to my parent's house. Now I can still 
get nice yummies for the lake :)


#135 of 560 by katie on Fri Oct 10 19:34:23 2003:

What a friend we have in cheeses.


#136 of 560 by scott on Fri Oct 10 20:22:57 2003:

Had a good interview at Albion this afternoon, and I'mdefinitely interested
in the job.


#137 of 560 by richard on Sat Oct 11 03:54:28 2003:

IHB I put my phone number on the national "do not call" registry.  It is
at www.donotcall.gov  By placing your phone number on this list, those
pesky telemarketers will bae prohibited from callingyou.  At least that is
how it is supposed to work.  When I moved to nyc, I didn't know any better
and had them put my number in the phone book.  Since then I have gotten a
regular number of telemarketing calls, some of which are pretty annoying.
Just the other day I was awakened by some lady telling me I won a free two
night stay at some resort, the only catch being I had to listen to the
pitch from the people selling the condos there.  Yeah and if I went, I'd
never get out of there with my wallet still in one piece!  I also get
calls from the new york times and the new york daily news, who keep
pushing subscriptions on me no matter how many times I tell them that
nobody has the papers delivered in my neighborhood because the papers get
stolen by homeless people who go sell them on the subway for food money.
And calls for magazine subscriptions and "free gifts" and this and that.
I can do without these pesky calls.  So I like the idea of the Do Not Call
list (which is being challenged by the telemarketers in court)

www.donotcall.gov  put your number on this list and just maybe you won't
have so many strangers calling you in the future.


#138 of 560 by slynne on Sat Oct 11 04:48:17 2003:

dude, I put my number on that list months ago


#139 of 560 by jlamb on Sat Oct 11 05:06:34 2003:

My friend won tickets to the MSU Vs. UIUC Football Game on Saturday.  
Looks like I'll be there!!!


#140 of 560 by i on Sat Oct 11 13:21:12 2003:

Re: #129
Fine-ground wheat bran.  All the other places carry far courser wheat
bran, which is much worse for baking but much better at getting stuck
in your teeth.  (I had similar experience with non-premium tofu at
Whole Foods, but gave up after a bit because other places carry it.)
Re: #128
You mean Big Ten down by Dog-o-Mat, or whatever the place just south
of State became?  I didn't think that the former really did bulk food.


#141 of 560 by gelinas on Sat Oct 11 14:04:26 2003:

IAHB Michigan got it together well enough to win at Minnesota last night.
I really didn't think they were going to after the first three quarters.

I had noticed the increase in telemarking calls in September, but somehow I
had overlooked the sudden decrease last week, until someone mentioned it, 
here or on the news, a few days ago.  Yeah, the "do not call" registry seems
to be working. :)


#142 of 560 by lynne on Sat Oct 11 17:16:37 2003:

IHB after a chat with my boss last night I feel much more reassured about
being able to find a job/postdoc.  It's nice to have an advisor whose name
carries a lot of weight and who's willing to put forth a little effort on
one's behalf.
IAHB we didn't give up on Michigan even after three quarters of awful play,
and were rewarded with a 31-point fourth quarter.  Actually, most of the
reason we didn't give up on them was because there was nothing else on TV.
Thank goodness for crappy Friday night programming! :)


#143 of 560 by bru on Sun Oct 12 03:17:56 2003:

I am happy because the location that was Merchant of Vino will soon reopen
as a new store under the original owner and called Bella Vino.


#144 of 560 by russ on Sun Oct 12 03:38:09 2003:

The strained whateveritis in my back has suddenly loosened
up, so I celebrated the event and the wonderful day with a
bike ride.


#145 of 560 by scg on Sun Oct 12 03:39:12 2003:

I don't think I've gotten a call from a telemarketer in 11 days.  It's nice.

This is, however, balanced out by Meals on Wheels having sent out my office
phone number instead of their own (for the second time in three years), so
my telemarketers have been replaced by a lot of confused Meals on Wheels
cusotmers.


#146 of 560 by scg on Sun Oct 12 03:40:45 2003:

My car got found.  Now I just have to go through the bureaucracy of picking
it up (which apparrently requires getting release forms, in person, from  from
the police departmnet in the city where it was found, and from the police
department in the city where it was stolen, and then going to the towing
company, and then I have to deal with insurance on getting whatever has been
broken fixed.


#147 of 560 by krj on Sun Oct 12 03:51:38 2003:

U.Mich School of Music had a great production of the musical "Guys and 
Dolls."  Leslie and I only managed to get in by (1) getting the 
last ticket available at the window, and (2) Leslie found a 
friend of a friend who had a spare ticket to sell.

It was a smash, with two showstopping dance numbers in the second act.

My only complaint is that the writers of the original "book" back in
1950 left out the scene I was waiting for, the craps game between
Sarah Brown and Sky Masterson for each other's souls.  Now I gotta dig
out all my old Damon Runyon books.

The last show is the Sunday matinee, which is sold out, but if you feel 
like gambling (*coff*) you might see if there are any tickets 
turned back in.


#148 of 560 by lynne on Sun Oct 12 14:16:05 2003:

re 146:  Yay!  Glad you get your car back.


#149 of 560 by glenda on Sun Oct 12 15:06:33 2003:

IHB STeve and I had a lovely day yesterday, and I've got a new toy.  We
borrowed my Dad's monster pick-up truck and drove down to Orrville, OH (just
SW of Adron) to pick up a beautiful antique loom (built in 1897).  It is now
sitting on my front porch waiting for Damon to get home from work to help
figure out how to get it in the house where it will sit in state.  It needs
some restoration to get it into full working condition, but nowhere near as
much as I feared it would.  It still has a partially finished rug on it.

We also discovered Kidron, OH.  Kidron is an Amish farming community with some
wonderful little shops.  Unfortunately most of them were closed when we got
there, except for the grocery store.  It was almost surreal to drive up to
park and see half the parking lot set up for horse and buggy.  We will go back
and spend some time there when the shops are open.

We had dinner at Das Dutch Kitchen, an Amish Mennonite homestyle cooking
restaurant.  It was wonderful!  They are every bit as good, even better, as
Frankenmuth.  The salad bar, alone, was almost worth the drive (about 4
hours).


#150 of 560 by remmers on Sun Oct 12 19:22:29 2003:

Did they have shoo fly pie?


#151 of 560 by glenda on Sun Oct 12 19:31:22 2003:

We didn't look, dinner was enough to not even want dessert.


#152 of 560 by scott on Sun Oct 12 22:01:49 2003:

Finally got in a nice long bike ride today, and despite the cold I had enough
energy for a typical distance.


#153 of 560 by gull on Mon Oct 13 00:59:32 2003:

IAHB I installed freshly rebuilt fuel injectors in my diesel Volkswagen, 
and it's running more smoothly than I thought possible.  I'm also no 
longer creating a smoke screen when I accellerate hard.


#154 of 560 by gelinas on Mon Oct 13 03:26:09 2003:

IAHB I went sailing today.


#155 of 560 by keesan on Mon Oct 13 04:25:45 2003:

I am happy that I don't have a cold and that Jim cleaned the VCR and fixed
our guest's car window and did his laundry before it rained.


#156 of 560 by jaklumen on Mon Oct 13 07:00:34 2003:

It was a good weekend.  Very entertaining in the world of 
roleplaying.  My guitar lessons were also very good-- had a makeup on 
Friday.  My instructor decided to start putting scales (Ionian, 
Aeolian, Myxolydian, etc.) on chord sheet so I'd start looking at the 
shapes... explained jazz guitarists have a very different approach to 
looking at scales.  Learning more chords and will probably learn to 
spell them than just learn them as shapes.


#157 of 560 by edina on Mon Oct 13 14:04:02 2003:

One of my favorite cookbooks is a compilation cookbook from one of my former
attorneys, who is a Mennonite and got the cookbook from his church.  His mom's
recipe for chow-chow is awesome!

IHB in 4 days, I'll almost be in PHoenix, and because the weekend is fabulous.


#158 of 560 by mcnally on Mon Oct 13 16:23:02 2003:

  (what's chow-chow?)


#159 of 560 by edina on Mon Oct 13 16:28:38 2003:

It's kind of a pickle relish - makes me think of American chutney.


#160 of 560 by happyboy on Tue Oct 14 00:24:48 2003:

you can find a nice recipe for chow-chow in the
"White Trash Cookbook" that i either left at slynne's
or she stole from me when i was drunk.

ennyhoo, that it's included in that book oughtta tell you
something.


#161 of 560 by slynne on Tue Oct 14 19:48:26 2003:

I NEVER stole YOUR cookbook. It was Marae's! :P


#162 of 560 by jaklumen on Wed Oct 15 03:35:55 2003:

Two days until sleep study.


#163 of 560 by beeswing on Wed Oct 15 03:44:37 2003:

Four day weekend coming up. Well this Friday I have to attend an
in-service, but I consider any weekday away from the kids a day off,
regardless...

We did not have Fall Break when I was coming up, but I'm glad it's so
popular now. :)


#164 of 560 by slynne on Wed Oct 15 12:58:15 2003:

I heard "Morning has Broken" by Cat Stevens on the radio while I was 
driving to work this morning. For reasons that I dont completely 
understand, it has put me in a good mood. 


#165 of 560 by other on Wed Oct 15 20:30:49 2003:

Today I got a Halloween card and a roll of Transparent Duct Tape from 
jiffer.

                :):)


#166 of 560 by slynne on Wed Oct 15 20:40:07 2003:

Uh oh. Do you think she is trying to tell you that your duct tape is 
too gray?


#167 of 560 by tpryan on Wed Oct 15 21:40:08 2003:

re 165:         ?Transparent Duct Tape?
        /makes a Tim Allen/Tim Taylor type of noise


#168 of 560 by other on Thu Oct 16 00:50:26 2003:

Yup!  :):)


#169 of 560 by beeswing on Thu Oct 16 03:33:24 2003:

Pay day. Yippity! Ventured to the new Super Target that has opened near
my house. Happy to find the Target generic brands of food and such are a
pretty good bargain. Also happy to find 36 rolls of toilet paper for $7.00.

I am now well stocked with food and other items for a month or two. 

Oh. And IHB I have made a budget and it doesn't involve me living on
peanut butter for a month. 


#170 of 560 by jaklumen on Thu Oct 16 06:41:41 2003:

sleep study tomorrow night.


#171 of 560 by remmers on Thu Oct 16 12:43:04 2003:

IHB Comcast replaced our oldish cable modem that had developed a
flaky power cord, and now internet speeds seem a bit zippier than
they were before.


#172 of 560 by glenda on Thu Oct 16 12:46:03 2003:

We have a Comcast service tech in our Cisco Networking class.  He informed
me that I need to reset my modem.  They did something that ups the speed about
10 days ago.  Resetting the modem activates it on our end.


#173 of 560 by remmers on Thu Oct 16 13:12:05 2003:

I'd already noted the speed increase on our old modem.  With the new
modem things seem to be running a bit faster.


#174 of 560 by edina on Thu Oct 16 14:08:32 2003:

In 24 hours I'll be on a plane en route to Phoenix and a fun weekend.  It is
a smart man who attempts to seduce me with tickets to the Flyers/Coyotes game.


#175 of 560 by jaklumen on Fri Oct 17 00:33:02 2003:

sleep study tonight.  Supposedly I will sleep very well.


#176 of 560 by richard on Fri Oct 17 04:41:30 2003:

IVHB the Bronx Bombers, the New York Yankees came from behind in extra innings
to win game seven of the ALCS and eliminate the evil and hated Boston Red Sox.
The Curse of the Bambino goes on!

And this proves there is STILL order in the universe.  The Yankees will be
going to the World Series, and not the Cubs or Red Sox.  The Yankees are
SUPPOSED to be in the World Series...Cubs vs. Red Sox could only happen if
the world was coming to an end  :)


#177 of 560 by other on Fri Oct 17 04:45:24 2003:

IHB I have successfully migrated my personal financial management 
software to a format which will operate under OS X.  I have even added 
new features.


#178 of 560 by tsty on Fri Oct 17 07:16:47 2003:

baseball is a heartbreaker ,,,,,, both deserving teams lost. 
,


#179 of 560 by michaela on Fri Oct 17 08:52:43 2003:

No kidding. Big deal. The Yankees are going to the series. As if that never
happens. It's getting boring.

I'd have LOVED to see a Cubs/Red Sox matchup. THOSE teams deserved to go more
than anyone.

IHB I'm spending the weekend with Ken. He's in his friend's wedding, so I get
to see him in a tux. :)


#180 of 560 by gull on Fri Oct 17 13:33:59 2003:

Looks like the Yankees will buy themselves another championship.


#181 of 560 by lynne on Fri Oct 17 14:26:49 2003:

IHB I made the right choice last night and stayed to watch the Wings game
to the not-so-bitter end.  Another game-winning goal at the tail end of
the third period--plus a fantastic clean check by Fischer that just
happened to shatter the pane of glass.  With Daniel Sedin's head. How I've
missed hockey season!


#182 of 560 by jep on Fri Oct 17 14:31:40 2003:

If you could buy a championship, the Yankees would not have lost any 
games in the post-season.  They squeaked by in the 11th inning last 
night, in the 7th game of the series.  That game was as exciting as 
baseball gets; as exciting as anything in sports can ever be.

They can and did buy their excellent team which got them into the 
playoffs... but as the Los Angelos Dodgers can attest, even if you 
spend a lot of money, you have to spend it wisely to achieve 
greatness.  The Yankees spend the most money, but they also spend it in 
the best way.

The Cubs and Red Sox will never face one another in the World Series, 
because one of the two teams would have to win.  *That* cannot happen.



#183 of 560 by keesan on Fri Oct 17 14:49:17 2003:

I am happy I have more interesting things to do than worry about whether other
people play ball well.  Today we will be picking grapes.


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#185 of 560 by anderyn on Fri Oct 17 16:52:43 2003:

IHB my medical tests came back a-ok. And because I saw the Tannahill Weavers
in concert last night. Hurrah!


#186 of 560 by keesan on Fri Oct 17 17:06:43 2003:

I am happy that my immune system is back to nearly normal as of yesterday,
which implies that I will stop sneezing soon.


#187 of 560 by goose on Fri Oct 17 21:21:29 2003:

Sindi, do you have any idea how condescending you sound in #183?  I'm sorry
that we can't all live such enlightened lives like yours.  Sheesh.


#188 of 560 by jaklumen on Fri Oct 17 21:25:00 2003:

I'm not a big baseball fan and have other priorities at times, but I 
agree.

Anyway, the tests say it's not apnea per se but a upper respiratory 
problem that will be treated by a C-PAP machine as well.


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#190 of 560 by beeswing on Sat Oct 18 00:29:55 2003:

re 187 & 188.... I see. Perhaps Sindi has more interesting things to
worry about because she's likely had to examine her life and its being
in possible jeopardy far more deeply in these past months. Which,
thankfully, y'all have not had to do. 

(correct me if I am wrong, Sindi).

The whole devoted following of sports teams is completely foreign to me.
I don't even know what sports season it is. I have a friend who spends
ungodly amounts of money on U. of Tennessee clothes, socks, pom poms,
hair clips, stickers, and knick-knacks. It all looks like a big pile of
orange and white barf. I respect her allegiance; I just don't understand it.

::shrugs and walks away::


#191 of 560 by goose on Sat Oct 18 03:42:33 2003:

Sindi has made similar comments prior to her recent health problems.


#192 of 560 by tod on Sat Oct 18 14:17:25 2003:

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#193 of 560 by happyboy on Sat Oct 18 19:52:43 2003:

r183: i have better things to worry about than you
picking grapes.





#194 of 560 by scott on Sat Oct 18 20:53:11 2003:

Finally dragged my ass over to Vet's Park and spent 35 minutes on a
stairclimber.  Even after the cold (which is mostly gone!) I'm still in pretty
good shape.


#195 of 560 by other on Sun Oct 19 01:05:53 2003:

Did a good sound gig for Mary McCaslin last night, at which she sang a 
funny new song about urban sprawl with a refrain about how if we keep 
building houses on farmland we'll soon have nothing to eat but Soylent 
Green.


#196 of 560 by beeswing on Sun Oct 19 02:10:44 2003:

it's made of peeeeeeoplllle! Of peeeeople!

IHB I am wearing a perfume that smells like sex-eee vanilla.

IHB I have a black cat that will be indoors on Halloween. Well, he's
indoors all the time. Also happy because my friends found a home for a
stray they'd been feeding.


#197 of 560 by katie on Sun Oct 19 21:29:58 2003:

I am happy that Eric was willing, able, and available to do sound at
Green Wood Friday night. Thanks, Eric!

Mary and I went to see John Gorka at the Ark the next night. He was
terrific.


#198 of 560 by keesan on Sun Oct 19 22:57:15 2003:

I was able to walk to Eberwhite Woods and through it and back on a lovely day.


#199 of 560 by michaela on Mon Oct 20 18:06:58 2003:

IHB I had a great weekend with the boy, and I woke up in time for my
psychology test. :-P


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#201 of 560 by scott on Mon Oct 20 20:58:54 2003:

Warm weather, perfect for a long bike ride.


#202 of 560 by other on Mon Oct 20 21:10:11 2003:

I've made significant progrees in the last couple of days in cleaning up 
my apartment and combining/condensing separate containers of similar 
stuff and throwing away junk.  I even hung a picture that's been leaning 
against the wall since I moved in at the end of May.


#203 of 560 by keesan on Tue Oct 21 02:03:09 2003:

The CT scan is over with.  They tried to make me drink 32 oz of somewhat
peculiar tasting barium smoothie (with a picture of fruit on the bottle), then
the IV went particularly badly and hurt a lot and got blood on me and the
floor in puddles but it only took 20 min for the actual scan.  Breathe in (10
sec), breathe....  Results in two days.  Only 3 IVs left to go, I hope, this
year.  And six blood draws.  
We stopped to visit our doctor friend who poked and tapped me a bit and
appreciated the pawpaws and the jar of pickled red peppers.  And then
celebrated getting this over with by going to the library and eating at
Dinersty, first restaurant meal for a few months.


#204 of 560 by goose on Tue Oct 21 03:28:36 2003:

That contrast paste is truly awful.  I could only get about 1/4 of it down
when I had a cat scan.  IT would have helped if it were cool or cold, rather
than room temperature.  That same trip they also gave me a thin drink that
tasted slightly of grape, also damn near impossible to choke down.


#205 of 560 by russ on Tue Oct 21 04:23:44 2003:

IHB the weather is so nice, and it appears that I managed
to re-invent duxelles without even knowing it had a name.
If I find some puff pastry dough, I'm ready to make pork
Wellington with high confidence that it will work.


#206 of 560 by bhelliom on Tue Oct 21 13:19:13 2003:

*chuckles*...I wonder if the overnight was the boy's psychology test...


#207 of 560 by scott on Tue Oct 21 13:22:06 2003:

New strings (and a good fingerboard cleaning) on the upright bass.  About
time, too.  It's been at least two years, and it's much more fun to play
again.  The only down side is that a set of strings costs ~$120...


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#209 of 560 by keesan on Tue Oct 21 15:47:33 2003:

I hate even good IVs.  I have had three bad ones already (they redid the first
two, which were not as bad as this one.  I said to leave this one as it was
only going to be 20 minutes).  The stuff I was given to drink was a thin
liquid, white, and did not bother me except for the fact that it was very
cold. The second one they gave me was room temperature and bothered me less
except that it was hard to drink that much at one time.  The cold one hurt
my teeth and made me shiver for an hour.  I don't normally drink things cold,
and have been warming all liquids because I have a drug-induced tendency to
choke on cold ones.  I had to drink part of a third (cold) one just before
the scan.  Apparently the barium makes some people nauseous, and the iodine
that they give through the IV makes some people allergic.  So far nothing
has made me nauseous, what luck.  Results tomorrow.  
Next IV Monday.


#210 of 560 by edina on Tue Oct 21 16:26:53 2003:

I'm very happy because I had a great weekend.  Phoenix was wonderful, Dave
was wonderful, the hockey game was wonderful.  It was nice to just sit and
talk with him and curl up and watch movies.  Thanksgiving is but 5 short weeks
away.


#211 of 560 by tpryan on Tue Oct 21 16:37:30 2003:

re 190.  It's rabbit season.


#212 of 560 by bhelliom on Tue Oct 21 19:39:35 2003:

Duck season.

I'm glad you had a great time, Brooke.  I miss you tons!


#213 of 560 by edina on Tue Oct 21 20:34:39 2003:

I'll be home for Christmas - we should go out!!  I miss you too!!


#214 of 560 by gelinas on Tue Oct 21 23:56:46 2003:

IAHB I had a pleasant conversation with other over sandwiches in the Kid's
Room at Zingerman's Next Door this evening.  (I'd finished my sandwich when
he arrived, but close enough. ;)


#215 of 560 by keesan on Wed Oct 22 13:52:22 2003:

The nurse practitioner reports that Monday's CT scan (where I was supposed
to drink 32 oz of cold barium sulfate suspension) shows that my
chemotherapy is progressing well (but I still need at least three more
treatments of chemotherapy):


Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:07:07 -0400
To: keesan@cyberspace.org
Subject: Re: CT scan

Your CAT scan shows a very nice response.
Enlarged lymph nodes previously seen in the chest have resolved.  In
the abdomen the lymph nodes have also pretty much resolved and the
spleen has returned to near normal size.
Looks good!
Judy




#216 of 560 by aruba on Wed Oct 22 13:55:59 2003:

That's great news, Sindi!


#217 of 560 by edina on Wed Oct 22 14:19:40 2003:

Congrats, Sindi!  I'm happy because Dave booked his ticket for Thanksgiving,
because we laugh a lot over the silliest things and he misses me as much as
I miss him.


#218 of 560 by jep on Wed Oct 22 14:44:18 2003:

Great news, Sindi!

Good news for you too, Brooke!


#219 of 560 by happyboy on Wed Oct 22 15:12:58 2003:

congrats sindi!


#220 of 560 by keesan on Wed Oct 22 15:37:53 2003:

Thank you all.  To celebrate the good news Jim accepted two translation jobs
for me (since I can't be heard on the phone due to laryngitis).


#221 of 560 by tod on Wed Oct 22 15:38:10 2003:

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#222 of 560 by mynxcat on Wed Oct 22 16:19:20 2003:

Don't know if there's an ambivalent item out there, but I'll post 
here. Got a haircut that left my hair really, really short. All the 
straight bits have been cutoff, and all I have left is curl. Except 
for a bit in the front that needs to be blow-dried straight. Better 
than the dead-cat-on-the-head hair-cut I got last week.

It's easier to style than longer hair, but it's so DAMN SHORT!


#223 of 560 by goose on Wed Oct 22 16:34:38 2003:

Congrats Sindi!  Hope the rest of the recovery goes well.


#224 of 560 by rcurl on Wed Oct 22 17:15:17 2003:

I wonder why they use barium sulfate as a contrast agent. It is "radio opaque"
but would stay in the digestive tract, and never get anywhere near the spleen
or lymph nodes. 

That note also called it a CAT scan (but CT scan in the Subject): typo,
or meaningful?


#225 of 560 by tpryan on Wed Oct 22 18:01:31 2003:

        rabbit season.


#226 of 560 by bhelliom on Wed Oct 22 20:33:34 2003:

Sindi, I wasn't aware that you were going through Chemo.  I'm glad to
hear that everything is progressing well!


#227 of 560 by keesan on Thu Oct 23 00:11:36 2003:

Re the barium sulfate - they made me drink a little bit just before the scan
so it must be providing contrast in the background because it is in the
stomach and the spleen is just in front of the stomach (when you lie on your
back).  CT and CAT are the same test by different names.  The chemo is
half-way through six sessions with number four Monday and they generally check
after number three to make sure it is working.  

I don't recall if I drank barium sulfate for the CT scan of upper body only.
I think not.

Today we got a really good deal on a very large bag of onions at the market
and said hello to a few of the farmers there and got hugs and some free
apples.  The farmers looked even colder than I felt in the wind.


#228 of 560 by slynne on Thu Oct 23 02:25:05 2003:

I am really glad to hear that things are going well for you, Sindi


#229 of 560 by keesan on Thu Oct 23 03:10:54 2003:

Thanks to all.  Today a grexer gave Jim a 233MHz pentium with a modem/sound
card in it that he cannot identify.  It is probably a winmodem but Win95 is
messed up and says it is not there.  Broken software is such fun, or maybe
the hardware is also broken.  There are two copies of the modem software in
there.  I was hoping we would get the grapes juiced instead.


#230 of 560 by keesan on Thu Oct 23 03:29:49 2003:

Jim is happy because Windows finally detected a winmodem on Com 5.  What is
Com 5?  If he can get Win95 working (and a bunch of games deleted) he can
install Win98 on top of it with his upgrade CD and try to run his slide
scanner with software downloaded at 56K instead of 33K.


#231 of 560 by jaklumen on Thu Oct 23 04:29:03 2003:

congrats, Sindi.


#232 of 560 by michaela on Thu Oct 23 07:15:48 2003:

I'm very happy for you, Sindi. I hope all goes well from here on out.


#233 of 560 by keesan on Thu Oct 23 13:55:56 2003:

The actual CT scan report (which my doctor friend emailed me) says there are
no longer ANY enlarged lymph nodes and the formerly huge masses in the spleen
are now much smaller.  I wonder if they will eventually disappear.  But I
still have fluid around one lung which may be turning solid and should ask
the cancer doctor to look into that.  Which is not so good but hardly life
threatening as my other lung is fine.  They took out over 3 liters of fluid
from the left lung in August and figured the rest would go away.

I am feeling much better than a week ago and only woke once during the night.
At first I could not sleep more than 40 minutes at a time and more recently
would wake every 2 hours.  I have not napped for three days now.  I get four
more days of being normal before Monday (fourth chemotherapy session of a
total of probably six).  

Thanks for all the good wishes, which seem to be working.


#234 of 560 by scott on Thu Oct 23 17:06:14 2003:

Got one of the old fly-rail locks from the Michigan - they did some backstage
renovations this summer.


#235 of 560 by ea on Fri Oct 24 02:34:15 2003:

re #210 - i've never attended a hockey game that wasn't wonderful.


#236 of 560 by jep on Fri Oct 24 02:51:27 2003:

I won a bid for a book (Squanto and the Pilgrims; Red Ball series 
aka "The American Adventures Series") for $3 on eBay.  I would have 
bought this book any time I saw it in the last 20 years and paid a lot 
more than $3.  It was a favorite book of mine when I was in 2nd 
grade.  I never expected to see it anywhere.


#237 of 560 by beeswing on Fri Oct 24 03:53:18 2003:

Looks like Dude and I are back together. 

Weekend approaches, and it'll be fun... seeing Macbeth on Friday night
with an old friend who hates people and loves cats as much as I do, and
probably Kill Bill on Saturday night with Dude. 


#238 of 560 by michaela on Fri Oct 24 04:34:26 2003:

Calling him "Dude" reminds me of "The Big Lebowski".


#239 of 560 by bru on Fri Oct 24 12:24:06 2003:

Whooee.  Way to go Dude!


#240 of 560 by goose on Fri Oct 24 13:02:34 2003:

"Not on the rug!"


#241 of 560 by scott on Fri Oct 24 13:35:27 2003:

"That rug really tied the room together, Dude".


#242 of 560 by goose on Fri Oct 24 14:13:40 2003:

IHB this item made me think about a great film....

"Where's the money Lebowski?"

"I dunno, let me take another look..." (as his head is dunked back into the
toilet)

RMAOTFL


#243 of 560 by happyboy on Fri Oct 24 20:45:45 2003:

"give us the money, lebowski
 or ve'll cut off your chonson...

 ya! und throw it on za ground und schtomp
 on it!"


#244 of 560 by tod on Fri Oct 24 21:04:36 2003:

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#245 of 560 by beeswing on Sun Oct 26 07:10:21 2003:

I've actually never seen it. But it's in my Netflix queue.


#246 of 560 by jep on Sun Oct 26 22:06:32 2003:

I found a nice, though worn, leather desk chair being discarded by 
someone who moved out.

I thoroughly cleaned most of my apartment.  This is a real 
accomplishment.

I made dinner for my parents.  It's the first time I've ever cooked 
for guests.


#247 of 560 by scott on Sun Oct 26 23:12:57 2003:

The extra hour of sleep from the Daylight Savings change was much appreciated.


#248 of 560 by keesan on Mon Oct 27 01:10:32 2003:

We have a kitchen floor full of Chinese treats - jujubes, dried tofu, fresh
tofu, two water chestnuts, green mung been noodles, tapioca noodles, blue and
brown preserved duck eggs.  And a car full of picked apples.  And a plastic
dishpan full of sorted grapes ready to juice.  And I have regained 14 pounds
in two months with only 5-10 to go (depending if I want to weigh more than
I used to).  


#249 of 560 by russ on Mon Oct 27 04:46:59 2003:

IHB Groklaw's coverage of the SCO v. IBM suit is so *funny*.


#250 of 560 by edina on Mon Oct 27 16:41:17 2003:

IHB I had a nice weekend in Baltimore, treated myself to a new MAC lipgloss
("Spite"), went to a fabulous Halloween party on Saturday and spent quality
time on the phone with Dave.  


#251 of 560 by mynxcat on Mon Oct 27 18:20:21 2003:

Played Trivial Pursuit last night. Was the first time I heard of MAC 
cosmetics :P And here you mention them!!

(The question was "What male person did MAC cosmetics have as their 
spokesperson in 1995 ( i think the year was)?" Let me know if you want 
the answer.)


#252 of 560 by goose on Mon Oct 27 20:10:09 2003:

(what's the answer?)

IHB My pulled neck/back muscle is feeling better....


#253 of 560 by edina on Mon Oct 27 21:31:07 2003:

I'm pretty sure it's Elton John.  He's been doing work with the Viva Glam
lipsticks for a while.


#254 of 560 by mynxcat on Mon Oct 27 22:14:46 2003:

Actually it's RuPaul.


#255 of 560 by beeswing on Tue Oct 28 03:33:46 2003:

I am burrowed under my electric blanket, and the cat is sprawled out on
top of it. It sounds cheezy but it's times like this that I'm happy to
just have a decent place to live, food to eat and people who care about me. 

Plus the guy (since "dude" does sound Lebowski-ish) addressed me as
"sweetie" in an email, and that made me grin. 


#256 of 560 by other on Tue Oct 28 06:23:31 2003:

I just completed a double backup and repartition of my main drive in 
anticipation of the installation of Panther as soon as I can lay hands on 
the CDs.


#257 of 560 by bhoward on Tue Oct 28 06:29:48 2003:

I'm happy because my OpenBSD 3.4 CD's arrived 4 days in advance of the 
public release.  


#258 of 560 by taylor88 on Tue Oct 28 15:21:41 2003:

IM HAPPY Because i just istalled linux redhat 9


#259 of 560 by bhoward on Tue Oct 28 15:56:20 2003:

I'm happier still now (Re#257, not you Taylor!) because I've got 3.4
running on my net-facing server...smoothest installation to-date.

Within moments of opening the firewall, probes starting hitting apache.

No worries.


#260 of 560 by keesan on Tue Oct 28 16:11:38 2003:

I have now finished four of what I hope will be only six chemo treatments,
and the doctor said my progress is astonishingly good and the radiologist was
so excited he phoned with the results.  What looks like 2"x2" tumors in the
spleen (shrunk from 4-5") might just be voids or scar tissue and we won't nkow
until the next CT scan after the sixth treatment (at which point I might not
need 8 if things have shrunk more).  The IV did not hurt as much as last time
but still had to be redone once.  Jim's flat tire held air when he pumped it
up to get us home with.  We got to meet four nurses as I start before a shift
change or two, and tho none wanted to try a pawpaw one admired our house
photos.  As usual, I sat next to people with worse problems than me who were
getting better anyway.  They cut one drug dosage in half which might help the
laryngitis or at least the hand numbness.  They plan to do lots of CT scans
over the next five years (3 then 6 month intervals) then just once a year.
This sort of lymphoma is apparently relatively easily curable (over 50%).

I am happy that the skin does not peel from all over my body due to treatments
like it did for a cheery leukemia patient next to me (who is much better but
still has trouble with stairs after one month in the hospital and 25 pounds
weight loss.)  So who needs a voice.


#261 of 560 by slynne on Tue Oct 28 16:17:11 2003:

I am really glad to hear that your treatment is going well. 


#262 of 560 by aruba on Tue Oct 28 17:14:04 2003:

That's great, Sindi.


#263 of 560 by gull on Tue Oct 28 18:39:48 2003:

Re #258: Overall I'm happy with RedHat 9, but I still wonder why TCL/Tk
now uses almost ten times as much memory as it did under 8.  I had to
upgrade the RAM in my machine just to get decent performance back.


#264 of 560 by scott on Tue Oct 28 23:19:03 2003:

Been working the last several days doing stagehand work, most of it at the
UM Sports Coliseum for the "Boris Gudenov" thing.  Even got to impress people
with my soldering and what bizarre adapters I happen to have in my electronics
box.


#265 of 560 by goose on Wed Oct 29 01:46:30 2003:

Do you have a banana to BNC?  How about 4 pin jones to 6 pin DIN? (Now I'm
just being snotty...;-) )

IHB  Just because life is swell.


#266 of 560 by other on Wed Oct 29 03:03:48 2003:

I'll bet neither of you have a female stereo mini to RJ-11.  I had two, 
until a few days ago.


#267 of 560 by scott on Wed Oct 29 03:26:19 2003:

I actually had an XLR to dual RCA female, where one RCA is pin 2 and the other
pin 3.  And they needed one, since the original cable had been left in Russia.


#268 of 560 by jep on Wed Oct 29 03:53:42 2003:

Wonderful news, Sindi!


#269 of 560 by other on Wed Oct 29 05:29:49 2003:

Not sure if this belongs here but...

Today I wrote a little javascript utility which decodes base64 and 
otherwise unmangles email attachments (ASCII HTML encoding, mailer line 
breaks, etc) and displays the resulting content with only a couple of 
mouse clicks.

I'm sure it's not terrifically efficient, but it works.  It allows me to 
scan and disable image links in HTML mail before opening so I can search 
the content for things to tighten up my spam filters without sending off 
http requests which confirm receipt of the spam.


#270 of 560 by michaela on Wed Oct 29 08:04:18 2003:

Opus returns!!! :)

http://www.bloomcounty.com/opus_returns.html


#271 of 560 by vidar on Wed Oct 29 12:40:21 2003:

IVHB I have *finally* certified in Rapier in the Ring of Steel.


#272 of 560 by cmcgee on Wed Oct 29 14:31:42 2003:

Whoo! That took nearly forever!  Gratz.


#273 of 560 by bhelliom on Wed Oct 29 14:46:54 2003:

Wow...congrats, Bjorn!


#274 of 560 by other on Wed Oct 29 14:58:14 2003:

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#275 of 560 by other on Wed Oct 29 14:58:54 2003:

Bjorn's a Rapierist!      ;)


#276 of 560 by edina on Wed Oct 29 16:06:55 2003:

IHB Costco was grovy and took back my Full-screen edition of the the Matrix
Reloaded and let me purchase the Widescreen.  How bone-headed was I?

IVHB after a hellacious commute, work is going nicely, I have a class in an
hour and my tummy seems to have settled down.  Woo hoo!


#277 of 560 by goose on Wed Oct 29 17:14:27 2003:

RE#266 - What was the application that required 1/8" F to RJ-11?

RE#267 - That's a handy connector to have.


#278 of 560 by tod on Wed Oct 29 17:42:09 2003:

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#279 of 560 by other on Wed Oct 29 22:36:00 2003:

I'm connected to Grex right now via ssh from the Terminal application in Mac
OS X Panther.  So far it seems very cool, except for some weirdness with the
infrared port.


#280 of 560 by tod on Wed Oct 29 22:38:42 2003:

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#281 of 560 by gelinas on Thu Oct 30 03:29:30 2003:

I hear Panter uses xterm for its Terminal, rather than vt100.  One of the
disadvantages of that is that xterm uses an alternate screen, so text
disappears after being displayed by less.


#282 of 560 by other on Thu Oct 30 04:36:03 2003:

Hmm.  Full screen applications in Terminal do not appear in the 
scrollback buffer at all.  The default term is xterm-color.

I can't seem to find the .profile so I can edit the settings...
I'd like to change the shell to csh, but I'm useless in vi/vim and 
chsh runs it by default.

On the plus side, the spam filter in Mail is great.
Downside, I can't seem to find javascript debugging features in 
Safari...


#283 of 560 by dah on Thu Oct 30 04:39:09 2003:

Stop complaining.


#284 of 560 by ea on Thu Oct 30 05:36:54 2003:

It was a good week for certifications.  I got my USA Hockey referee's 
card in the mail this week, and then on Saturday/Sunday, I completed the 
required dives and earned my Open Water SCUBA certification.


#285 of 560 by mcnally on Thu Oct 30 08:28:10 2003:

 re #282:
 > I can't seem to find the .profile so I can edit the settings...
 > I'd like to change the shell to csh, but I'm useless in vi/vim and
 > chsh runs it by default.

 You can almost certainly override chsh's default editor choice by 
 manually setting the environment variable VISUAL (or if that doesn't
 work, try EDITOR) to your preferred editor.  Changing it in your
 .profile will of course make the change permanent for your account
 but there's no reason why you have to make it permanent to get the
 desired effect.  



#286 of 560 by keesan on Thu Oct 30 12:41:14 2003:

I got four instead of two hours sleep last night.  Big difference.


#287 of 560 by gull on Thu Oct 30 13:47:18 2003:

I was keen on getting an OS X machine eventually, but Apple's upgrade
policies are starting to make me less enthusiastic.  Apparently there
are some security holes that they don't plan to fix in 10.2; the only
solution is to pay $130 to upgrade to 10.3.  This is the same kind of
crap Microsoft was pulling 10 years ago.


#288 of 560 by fitz on Thu Oct 30 14:05:18 2003:

IHB I spent Wednesday listening to Janacek, smoking a primo cigar, reading
The Atlantic and Harper's, and drinking an entire pot of coffee myself.  
Well, there were errands in the morning and afternoon, but I completed them.

Only one cat demanded lap space:  What did I do to deserve this break? 
Hooray.


#289 of 560 by slynne on Thu Oct 30 14:32:51 2003:

Wow. That sounds like a nice way to spend a day. Well, except for the 
cigar part. 


#290 of 560 by keesan on Thu Oct 30 15:31:10 2003:

A fifth hour of sleep!  And the sun is shining and it is 50 for our walk.


#291 of 560 by edina on Thu Oct 30 16:31:43 2003:

IHB Valerie took the time to answer some nutritional questions for me, as
eating more vegetarian seems to be working really well for me.  IHB I am down
55lbs in 10 weeks, with no evil side effects.  IHB one of my attorneys is
getting married in a few weeks - she's such a peach - I'm glad she's happy.


#292 of 560 by mynxcat on Thu Oct 30 16:43:36 2003:

Congrats Brooke! 


#293 of 560 by michaela on Sat Nov 1 01:07:34 2003:

55 pounds?!? Wow! That's great! :)

I'm with the boy, and our friends threw an amazing dinner party last night.
It's been an awesome Halloween so far.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saltatoria - for more about the special
Halloween dinner and such. I'm too lazy to type more details.


#294 of 560 by i on Sat Nov 1 02:20:15 2003:

Re: #287
Last i heard, Apple has denied, in writing, the rumors of "no more 
security fixes for 10.2".  Supposedly the company that announced the
holed in 10.2 is in Microsoft's back pocket; i've heard nothing on
whether Redmond's behind the "no fixes" rumor.  (Which would have
been a "apply shotgun to own foot" policy for Apple to follow, but
they've made stupid mistakes too.)


#295 of 560 by other on Sun Nov 2 05:44:59 2003:

The third act of the ballet, "Serenade" (choreographed by George 
Balanchine) was just stunning.  My friend Skeeter, who is the 
assistant technical director on the tour, was able to get out of the 
theatre in time to accompany me to a Halloween party after the show, 
at which a lovely time was had by all.

The costumer for the tour, a Brit named Declan who is also an 
armorer, raved endlessly about my armor.  I think I was the only 
person in the whole Power Center who was wearing a costume but was 
not directly involved with the show.  I certainly drew a lot of 
interested looks wandering through the packed lobby in leather pants 
and boots, steel shirt and woolen cloak.


#296 of 560 by mcnally on Sun Nov 2 08:08:26 2003:

  We had the first clear weekend day we've had in a while (last weekend,
  by contrast, we got 12 inches or more of rain in 2 1/2 days) and so
  [my sister] Cathy and I took her boat out for a ride up Carroll Inlet,
  a long narrow bay that's perhaps a couple of hundreds yard wide but
  runs thirty miles up into the middle of the island.  We first put down
  crab pots and then went and set some shrimp pots in much deeper water.
  We'll go out again tomorrow to check and see if we caught anything.
  Usually it's pretty easy to catch your limit of crab around here but we
  haven't been crabbing up Carroll Inlet before and this is the first time
  we've tried for shrimp/prawns period, so we're not sure what to expect.

  We went out tonight to see if we could see the aurora but although people
  have been telling us it's been out all week we've missed it every time,
  including tonight.  That's OK, though, it was a beatiful cold clear night
  and once we got away from the lights of the city there were spectacular
  stars and even a few meteors.


#297 of 560 by tod on Sun Nov 2 15:35:17 2003:

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#298 of 560 by gull on Mon Nov 3 14:05:18 2003:

I soloed on Saturday. :>

This is a big step towards getting a pilot's license, something I've
been wanting to do for a long, long time.


#299 of 560 by scott on Mon Nov 3 14:07:25 2003:

The load-out for Boris Gudenov only took 5.5 hours last night.


#300 of 560 by keesan on Mon Nov 3 19:34:58 2003:

Godunov is the original spelling - what is Gudenov?


#301 of 560 by michaela on Mon Nov 3 20:12:03 2003:

IHB Ken is coming to visit this weekend. :)
IAHB this year is flying by, which means I'm closer to graduation. ;)


#302 of 560 by edina on Mon Nov 3 20:23:44 2003:

IVHB we are going to have my girlfriend Max set up nicely in her new house,
as my friends are really being groovy about helping her, and I'm ecstatic
because my boyfriend is really awesome.


#303 of 560 by rcurl on Mon Nov 3 20:43:53 2003:

Re #300: the original spelling is in Cyrillic. Godunov or Gudenov are just
transliterations, which depend upon who does it. 


#304 of 560 by keesan on Mon Nov 3 20:53:47 2003:

Gudenov is in no way a transliteration of the Cyrillic. Godunov is.  You can't
just substitute any vowel you feel like when transliterating.  Gudenov may
be loosely based on the cartoon character Goodenough (or however that is
spelled).  There is an opera Boris Godunov, based on the character of that
name who was a tsar in medieval Russia.  Stressed on the second o.  The first
o is pronounced as unstressed a (a as in father) and the u as in fortune.
Boris is also pronounced with the o like a, and the stress is on the i (as
in machine).


#305 of 560 by mcnally on Mon Nov 3 20:59:05 2003:

  Except that the cartoon character was Boris *Badenov*..


#306 of 560 by rcurl on Mon Nov 3 21:32:24 2003:

English spelling is marvelously flexible, and that "e" in Gudenov can be
pronounced many ways. But that is besides the point.  Your transliterating
preference is personal - even generally accepted. There is something to be
said for consitency, but it is still subjective. There is NO exact
transliteration that will cause an English speaker to pronounce the name
exactly as a Russian speaker would. The sounds do not occur in English. 

Look up "Boris Gudenov" in Google, and you will get many "hits" for it. 



#307 of 560 by gull on Mon Nov 3 21:39:47 2003:

I don't think Google is a good authority on spelling.  I just got 2,030 hits
searching on "Goerge W. Bush".


#308 of 560 by mcnally on Mon Nov 3 21:51:39 2003:

  I'm trying to imagine the reaction Rane would have to someone insisting
  on being similarly sloppy and dismissive of established conventions in
  his field of expertise as he is claiming the right to be in Sindi's.  


#309 of 560 by rcurl on Mon Nov 3 21:59:32 2003:

I'm not dismissive of "established conventions". They are essential for
accurate exchange of information. However I am pointing out that the
spelling of Gudenov/Godunov is not a universally accepted convention, nor
a necessary one for accurate exchange of relevant information. If you
want that, write it in Cyrillic. That is what would be done in precise
scholarly exchanges. Philosphers writing in English still usually give
the German word paranthetically for many central concepts. 


#310 of 560 by keesan on Mon Nov 3 23:51:51 2003:

Godunov is transliterated according to the rules of the Board of Geographic
Names, which the US Government asks me to use when translating.  I don't know
of any transliteration system where you can use an e to represent the sound
u in Godunov, or u to represent o.  This is simply a mistake, not a
transliteration, and like Mike pointed out, based on Badenov.

I have seen the final v transliterated as f or ff, which represents the actual
pronunciation.  There are alternate transliteration systems but they all seem
to agree on the vowels.  The consonants are transliterated variously depending
on the language into which they are transliterated and on which system you
use in that language.  For instance the sound 'y' can be written j or y, the
sound j (in judge) as dzh or dj or j, the sound ch (church) as tsch (via
German), tch (French) or ch (English).  Tchaikowsky has the w of German for
a sound pronounced v, and an i where BGN wants y.  Russians  appear to have
their own way of transliterating Russian into Latin characters.


#311 of 560 by mcnally on Tue Nov 4 00:27:39 2003:

  Well, from now on we'll just take anything Rane has to say on Slavic
  languages with a grain of NiCl.


#312 of 560 by gelinas on Tue Nov 4 02:47:40 2003:

Nickel Chloride?


#313 of 560 by keesan on Tue Nov 4 03:08:55 2003:

Or NeCl, since the vowels should not matter to Rane.


#314 of 560 by rcurl on Tue Nov 4 03:15:07 2003:

NiCl does not exist.

Please provide a URL for these Russian name transliterations by the
Board of Geographic Names. I have had dealing with BGN but only know
them as adjucating the naming of geographic features for use on US
government published maps.

What is the Russian transliteration into Latin alphabet of the name we are
discussing? 

Of course, we are not trying to "represent the sound u in Godunov", but to
represent the sound in the Russian name. I have no objection to your
choice of transliteration, but have only been pointing out that the
alternate transliteration Gudenov is frequently used. This cannot be
denied, considering the frequency with which it is used and published. 



#315 of 560 by michaela on Tue Nov 4 07:28:02 2003:

*sigh*

New item, perhaps?


#316 of 560 by happyboy on Tue Nov 4 08:31:18 2003:

*sigh*



        *huggles*


#317 of 560 by bhoward on Tue Nov 4 10:13:58 2003:

The Day is Done.

That all by itself is cause for the happy-happy joy-joy two-step.


#318 of 560 by edina on Tue Nov 4 14:20:22 2003:

IVHB I had a great conversation with my ex last night, basically telling him
to cop himself on or we were done being friends.  He chose to cop himself on.


#319 of 560 by aruba on Tue Nov 4 14:32:07 2003:

"cop himself on"?


#320 of 560 by edina on Tue Nov 4 14:32:43 2003:

Get a grip.  Check himself.


#321 of 560 by gull on Tue Nov 4 14:39:10 2003:

Re #308: What, you haven't figured it out by now?  Rane is an expert in
every field.  That's why he's so condescending to the rest of us.


#322 of 560 by edina on Tue Nov 4 14:42:44 2003:

Heh.  And yet another area to use "Cop yourself on".


#323 of 560 by keesan on Tue Nov 4 15:33:36 2003:

Transliterations represent not the sounds but the letters in the original
language, by substituting one or more letters in the target language for one
(or occasionally more) letters in the source language.  I don't have a URL
for BGN rules, just the book sent me by the government when I was working for
them as a translator.  Gudenov is a mistake, not a transliteration.  Copying
a mistake, no matter how many times, does not make it correct.


#324 of 560 by keesan on Tue Nov 4 15:48:17 2003:

              The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition.  2001.

                               Godunov, Boris


        (b [schwa.gif] r [emacr.gif] s' g [schwa.gif] d [oomacr.gif]
   nof') [this is the pronunciation, with final stresses]

 c.1551-1605, czar of Russia (1598-1605). A favorite
    of [20]Ivan IV (Ivan the Terrible), he helped organize Ivan's social
     and administrative system. After Ivan's death (1584), Boris became
     virtual ruler of Russia, ostensibly as regent for Ivan's young son
      Feodor I, who was married to Boris's sister. Boris was popularly
   believed to have ordered the murder (1591) of Feodor's younger brother
    and heir, [21]Dmitri, in order to secure the succession for himself.
     Upon Feodor's death (1598), an assembly of the ruling class chose
   Boris as czar. Under his rule the Russian church was recognized (1589)
   as an independent patriarchate, equal to other Eastern churches; peace
   was obtained with Poland and Sweden, and colonization of the southern
     steppes and W Siberia was spurred. Most important, Boris continued
      Ivan's policy of strengthening the power of state officials and
   townspeople at the expense of the [22]boyars. Yet famine (1602-4) and
    popular distrust undermined his support, and when a pretender to the
    throne appeared claiming to be Feodor's brother Dmitri, many rallied
    to his support and he easily invaded Russia in 1604. Boris died, and
    his son, [23]Feodor II, was unable to defend the throne against the
    false Dmitri. Boris's life is the subject of a drama by Pushkin that
               was the basis for Moussorgsky's famous opera.


   The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. Copyright (c) 2003 Columbia
                             University Press.

I found 29,200 or so google hits for Boris Godunov (and 52,000 for
Godunov).  I found 114 hits for Boris Gudenov, including a description of
how Lee Harvey Oswald went to an opera of that name, and a suggested list
of ways to name your pet guinea pig (Carmen, Otello).  

Musorgsky is the BGN transliteration, also Fyodor (two syllables).  The ou
in Moussorgsky is via French.  Often people want their drivers' license
translated with the French transliteration to match their passport and I
go along with this alternate system of ou for u (both pronounce u as in
lunar), but not e for u.

There is a 1980 painting of Alexander Gudenov by Andy Warhol, along with
Mary Tyler Moore.



#325 of 560 by flem on Tue Nov 4 16:27:03 2003:

You're missing the point, Sindi.  The problem here is that Rane is not
wrong, ever.  If Rane is wrong, see previous sentence.  


#326 of 560 by rcurl on Tue Nov 4 20:10:51 2003:

You guys have been missing the point. And now why the personal attacks?  I
have not claimed that Sindi is wrong that Godunov is the most common
transliteration of the name into English - only that many have used
Gudenov for legitimate purposes (forget the joking uses) and it cannot be
rigidly claimed to be always a "mistake" because it varies from the
dominant usage. 

Sindi has quoted from an encyclopedia to substantiate the dominant
transliteration. I have pointed out legitimate alternative
transliterations from the literature. Here are a couple more:

Godunoff - from Encyclopedia Americana. 

Goudounow - from The Victrola Book of the Opera

I could probably get lots more by searching in other languages using the
Latin characters. For example

Gudonov - http://www.akkc.dk/showlistrecord.asp?id=45&recordid45=193

and of course

Gudenov - http://www.crms.supanet.com/nov6pl.htm



#327 of 560 by scott on Tue Nov 4 20:35:28 2003:

Borrowed a sander and got the base for my office chair sanded down - tomorrow
I can glue it back together!


#328 of 560 by keesan on Tue Nov 4 20:56:33 2003:

Rane's last three spellings are NOT transliterations.  You cannot
transliterate two different characters to ou (first one) or to o (second one,
where the two vowels seem to have been transposed).  Godunoff is a
transliteration of the sort which also attempts to indicate the pronunciation
(but the first vowel is actually not pronounced that way).  Gudenov seems to
be a misspelling of Gudonov which was transposed.  Transliteration follows
a set of rules mapping one character (or group of characters) to another. 
You can map one character to tsch, but you cannot map both o and u to the same
result.


#329 of 560 by tod on Tue Nov 4 23:46:01 2003:

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#330 of 560 by scott on Wed Nov 5 03:59:20 2003:

The UMS advertising says "Boris Godunov".  


#331 of 560 by rcurl on Wed Nov 5 06:08:12 2003:

But you *can*, Sindi. I understand that this agency or that might set
standards for transliteration, and it is also fine that you elect (or are
required) to follow one (or more - I presume that if another agency had a
different set, you would follow that). This is the same as standards for,
for example, publication in journals, where every journal sets its own
standards.

Some languages are, by the way, rich in diphthongs, and to create a
resemblence of the transliterated word to the original, such diphthongs
would naturally be used.

Here is a definition of transliteration from
http://www.ngi.be/NL/glossary/glossang-tz.htm

"A method of names conversion between different alphabetic scripts and
syllabic scripts, in which each character or di-, tri- and tetragraph of
the source script is represented in the target script in principle by one
character or di-, tri- or tetragraph, or a dia-critic, or a combination of
these. Translit-er-ation, as distinct from transcrip-tion, aims at (but
does not neces-sarily achieve)  complete revers-ibil-ity, and must be
accompanied by a translit-era-tion key. (b) A result of this process.
Examples (with English exonyms in parentheses): _______ al-Q_hirah
(Cairo); ___________ Vladivostok;  ____ efa (Haifa); # Adis Abeba (Addis
Abbeba)."

Notice that single and multiple character diphthongs can be properly
transliterated into single or multiple characters.



#332 of 560 by remmers on Wed Nov 5 13:34:35 2003:

IHB people are cluttering up the Happy item with non-IHB responses,
and I *love* clutter!


#333 of 560 by edina on Wed Nov 5 14:24:37 2003:

IHB we got the ceramic tile off the wall, most of the linoleum up and the icky
bathroom cleaned at my girlfriend's new house last night.


#334 of 560 by keesan on Wed Nov 5 15:47:07 2003:

Glad to see that Rane's definition of transliteration is a correct one. 
According to this definition it has to be reversible, which Goudounoff is not
(you can't make one letter out of the first 'ou' and a different one out of
the second 'o').  Nor is Gudonov reversible - the second two vowels in the
original are different (u and o.  Nor can you transcribe one letter to two
different letters (as you would need to do to come up with Gudenov, where the
first and last vowel are not the same, tho they are in the Russian).
If you transliterated all the o's to u's and vice versa, it would be a
transliteration - for instance Gudonuv - and could be reversed..


#335 of 560 by rcurl on Wed Nov 5 17:05:40 2003:

The definition says "aims at" reversibility. It also specifies that a "key"
should be provided for transliterations. There is more than one "key".
Why John, isn't all this making you Happy Happy Joy Joy? It seems to work
for some of us.


#336 of 560 by keesan on Wed Nov 5 21:51:02 2003:

I dare you to write a key that produces two different results from the same
original letter or the same result from two different original letters, which
you would need to do to get Gudonov or Goudounoff.  Godunov, Godounov, Godunof,
Godunoff, are transliterations because you can reconstruct the original.
Well, maybe not Godunof, since Russian does have both v and f.


#337 of 560 by mcnally on Wed Nov 5 22:31:52 2003:

  OK, I think we all have a fairly good idea now what happens when the 
  irresistably persistent force meets the immovable ego, so can we just
  let the subject drop?


#338 of 560 by tod on Wed Nov 5 22:37:58 2003:

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#339 of 560 by remmers on Wed Nov 5 22:56:17 2003:

Good enuff for me.


#340 of 560 by goose on Thu Nov 6 03:39:59 2003:

RE#337 -- I can't wait for the sequel.


#341 of 560 by bhoward on Fri Nov 7 00:24:35 2003:

(shifting gears in a radical effort to actually post something related
to the topic of this item...)

I'm just about as happy as happy can be because I just received the
results from my midterm late last night (by email).

Somehow, on this test that I turned in thinking (at best) I had earned
something in the range of an 80% I managed to score 96%.

Whoohoo! 


#342 of 560 by gelinas on Fri Nov 7 00:26:21 2003:

Cool!


#343 of 560 by keesan on Fri Nov 7 03:04:29 2003:

I got back some more good blood test results, similar to last time.
Only four more blood tests (that I know of) and three more IVs this year.


#344 of 560 by michaela on Fri Nov 7 09:00:02 2003:

IHB my boyfriend will be here in twelve hours.


#345 of 560 by remmers on Fri Nov 7 10:41:11 2003:

Re #341:  You're a student again, Bruce?


#346 of 560 by bhoward on Fri Nov 7 12:50:21 2003:

Never really stopped...academia is a hard habit to kick once hooked :-)

It's just that this time I've sorted out the paperwork for a formal grade.
I'm taking Hawaiian 101 at the University of Hawai`i at Hilo through
their distance learning program.


#347 of 560 by goose on Fri Nov 7 13:57:35 2003:

I'll be in Hawaii in January, we should have a GOG there.


#348 of 560 by edina on Fri Nov 7 14:00:09 2003:

IHB it looks like I'm moving to Baltimore!!  My commute will be a bit stiffer,
but I love Baltimore and I'll be saving some $$.


#349 of 560 by keesan on Fri Nov 7 19:28:28 2003:

I am happy that Jim finally got up the courage to unpack his  winter clothing
We found at least 20 turtleneck shirts, about the same number of warm
longsleeve woven shirts, ditto for other longsleeve shirts, but we cannot find
his long underwear.  Tonight will be the first frost.  He has been wearing
the same flannel shirt since August, having forgotten where exactly he put
the other things when I was not around.  In the process we got rid of one
ripped pair of jeans (I declined to fix the crotch since they were also
painty, ripped elsewhere, and a size too big, and you can replace them for
a dollar at any rummage sale with something that fits), two pairs of long
underwear worn out to the point that the holes are about 50%, a shredded
t-shirt, another t-shirt with one sleeve missing from the elbow down, a
sweater that I would have kept mending except Jim says it makes him itch just
to be near it....  He had to see everything in one place to realize he has
excess.  Computers are next.  Why keep a P120 when people are giving us P500s.

Does anyone need any cotton rags?  


#350 of 560 by glenda on Fri Nov 7 20:43:16 2003:

I guess you haven't been out in early morning.  I have had to deal with frost
a few times.  I walked through it once, gettng my shoes and pant hems wet.
I had to scrap the windows once, and would have had to this morning except
that STeve was at work all night and got home just as I had to leave (the car
was nice and toasty warm for me).  The cars parted out front had moderate to
heavy frost on them.


#351 of 560 by mcnally on Fri Nov 7 21:39:20 2003:

  Frost up here all week but since the frost is a side-effect of the amazingly
  clear and sunny weather we've been having and the alternative is non-stop
  really cold rain, I'll gladly deal with the frost..


#352 of 560 by keesan on Fri Nov 7 21:46:05 2003:

Some parts of town must get colder than others.  Frost would have killed the
impatiens and I don't see any sign of anything having been hit by frost here
yet.  We are in a relatively high area and cold air settles downwards.
Tonight Lansing is supposed to hit 20 and Toledo low 20s.
Jim's neighbor asked if we could use some cheese - 12 packages showed up!
(She does not do things in a small way - last time was lots of lettuce).


#353 of 560 by scott on Fri Nov 7 22:21:10 2003:

Sindi, you're down in the creek valley so it's a bit warmer.  I used to notice
stuff blooming a week or more apart as I walked up to my house near the top
of the valley.


#354 of 560 by keesan on Sat Nov 8 01:25:17 2003:

I am at Jim's house this month, actually, which is in a higher area.
My apartment has stairs to the bathroom so I have not been staying there.
The bathroom (basement) definitely stays cooler than the upstairs.

Things bloom earlier near south walls of houses.


#355 of 560 by charcat on Sat Nov 8 06:25:35 2003:

I'm happy because Mr. Gelinas came over to my house and fixed a computer
problem I've been having. Thanks Joe!


#356 of 560 by tsty on Sat Nov 8 09:04:12 2003:

re #347 . goose.. when/where on teh islands? i'm tryuing to get mom
out thre in janyary...


#357 of 560 by michaela on Sat Nov 8 13:05:53 2003:

IHB it's only supposed to be in the thirties today.
IAHB Ken is here for the weekend, and I got to meet one of his best friends
last night. We're going to see "Stomp" this afternoon, and I'm having a party
tonight so he can meet my friends. :)


#358 of 560 by gelinas on Sat Nov 8 13:51:10 2003:

Glad to be of help, Steve. :)


#359 of 560 by scott on Sat Nov 8 14:40:45 2003:

Did sound at the Greenwood again last night - could be a semi-regular gig.
Plus a good opportunity to experiment with recording.


#360 of 560 by tod on Sat Nov 8 15:59:43 2003:

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#361 of 560 by fitz on Sat Nov 8 16:01:14 2003:

IHB I wacked several inches off of m y beard and I now can reach for a pen
in my shirt pocket without pulling out a handful of whiskers.

In the ambivalent department, I'm happy to report that my son's girlfriend
recovered from her accident.  She also recovered from whatever affection she
felt for him and unceremoniously gave him the heave-ho.  He seems quietly
resigned to this and perhaps a little puzzled.  Nevertheless, everybody';s
wounds seem to be healing--a clear reason for entering this in the "Hapopy"
item.


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#363 of 560 by mooncat on Sat Nov 8 17:07:26 2003:

IHB- The Beau is here (and he always makes me happy) and sometime this 
afternoon we're suppoised to meet up for lunch with my sister and 
brother-in-law. Sis and the bro-in-law are here for a wedding, and 
while I don't know the couple very well I was pleased to be able to 
congratulate them last night when the roomie, beau and I ran into said 
couple at Applebees last night.  I wasn't sure I was going to say hi 
because, as I said, I don't know them well, but I pointed them out to 
the Beau saying "Hey, I know those people, they're getting married on 
Sunday" and apparently the groom's father was walking in right behind 
me... It all became clear to the bride and groom once I told them who 
my sister and bro-in-law were.

Hmm, IAHB- work is going very well, and while it's not rocket science 
or anything, it is fun, and I have fun co-workers. And the bosses think 
well enough of my skills to give me extra responsibilities. I also 
frequently get asked to train the new temps on some of the 
programs/ways of doing things. It's cool.


#364 of 560 by twenex on Sun Nov 9 08:29:01 2003:

IAHB I have a new computer and it's running Linux! (currently
Slackware 8, but i intend to replace it with/add Debian 3 when the
other disk arrives).


#365 of 560 by goose on Sun Nov 9 18:56:17 2003:

RE#356 -- I forget the exact dates...late in the month as I remember, probably
only on the main island.


#366 of 560 by slynne on Mon Nov 10 00:03:02 2003:

IHB "This American Life" had a really interesting piece on Steve 
Tobocman who is a state house rep from Detroit. It was an enlightening 
look at the legislative process. 


#367 of 560 by scott on Mon Nov 10 00:07:24 2003:

Cool wedding today; a couple good friends getting married.  Other good friends
in town for said wedding.


#368 of 560 by edina on Mon Nov 10 17:07:42 2003:

IHB I'm down 64 lbs.  This really feels amazing.  I'm also happy because my
girlfriend's house is really coming along nicely.  I will be able to install
cabinets after this.


#369 of 560 by keesan on Mon Nov 10 23:30:49 2003:

I'm up at least 13 pounds.  Perhaps we will meet in the middle.  If I lose
64 pounds will I be able to install cabinets?


#370 of 560 by jep on Tue Nov 11 02:32:21 2003:

Sindi, if you lose 64 pounds you'll fit into cabinets.  Folded neatly.


#371 of 560 by keesan on Tue Nov 11 02:35:59 2003:

I can fold pretty small already.


#372 of 560 by other on Tue Nov 11 02:37:23 2003:

I completely rewrote an nearly useless script which converts numbers (up to
about 20 digits) to their long names.  I originally wrote it in javascript,
and just moved it to applescript.  I use it for automating my check-writing,
though they're never more than four digits. ;)

Anyway, it is far better and more stable now.  It loops, but is not recursive.
It even handles thousands separators intelligently.  Soon it will be available
on the website for the excellent shareware text-editing program, Tex-Edit
Plus.


#373 of 560 by mooncat on Tue Nov 11 05:06:38 2003:

IHB- tomorrow happens to be a bank holiday... I work for a bank, this 
means I have tomorrow off. So the Beau is coming down to spend the 
afternoon with me. Is good.

IAHB- I had a wonderful time (though not enough time) with my sister, 
bro-in-law and their wonderful host. Was introduced to a wonderful 
breakfast place too. Was a very enjoyable time.


#374 of 560 by naftee on Tue Nov 11 05:07:47 2003:

Was it now.


#375 of 560 by tod on Tue Nov 11 21:23:55 2003:

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#376 of 560 by scott on Wed Nov 12 03:36:38 2003:

A long day, but it worked out pretty well.  8 hours as a union stagehand,
followed by doing sound at the Ark.  Now it's a beer and Grex and such, in
my comfy chair.


#377 of 560 by tsty on Wed Nov 12 11:07:39 2003:

sounds wonderfull.... congratzzz


#378 of 560 by mooncat on Wed Nov 12 12:26:17 2003:

re #374- yes it was, thank you for feigning interest.


#379 of 560 by scott on Fri Nov 14 04:50:16 2003:

Great show at the Ark tonight... Kristen Hersh (formerly of Throwing Muses),
Howe Gelb, and Andrew Bird.  They all did their own sets, sneaked on to the
other's sets, and did a few group numbers.  Very wierd, cool, and fun.  


#380 of 560 by gull on Fri Nov 14 13:55:16 2003:

I'm happy because I'm going to see Guided by Voices at the Magic Stick
this weekend.


#381 of 560 by edina on Fri Nov 14 17:41:18 2003:

Another week gone, the firm move quickly approaches, albeit more manageably,
getting closer to Dave's visit, am in a pair of jeans that look pretty kicking
on me, got a ticket for New Year's for $240 to go to Phoenix, I'm happy.


#382 of 560 by scott on Fri Nov 14 18:26:13 2003:

Got in 35 minutes on the stairclimber at Vets, and at level 10 (out of 21).
35 minutes is not long enough!  I had way too much energy walking home.

And this morning I had a few business cards laminated into luggage tags, for
the princely sum of $0.79 each.


#383 of 560 by jiffer on Fri Nov 14 20:42:46 2003:

IHB I got a 12% raise ($1.00/per hour) which is going to make a 
significant impact on my paychecks!  Woohoo!  This kind of gets me out 
of my runt that I was in due to my mistakes I made in Microbiology lab.


#384 of 560 by scott on Fri Nov 14 21:32:59 2003:

You were inside a runt?


#385 of 560 by jiffer on Fri Nov 14 23:57:47 2003:

a rutt? rut... whatever that saying goes about being in a rutt or rut, or
whatever.




#386 of 560 by gelinas on Sat Nov 15 01:28:11 2003:

(Rut.  When your (wagon) wheels are caught in a rut in the (dirt) road, it
is very difficult to change direction.)


#387 of 560 by twenex on Sat Nov 15 11:20:50 2003:

Being caught in a runt might be more...interesting. Or more illegal.


#388 of 560 by tsty on Sun Nov 16 07:10:56 2003:

re #383 .. the 12%is significant, teh resultant $9.33/hr leaves me sad.
  
are your numbers right?



#389 of 560 by edina on Mon Nov 17 15:36:39 2003:

IHB I had a productive weekend, I'm 100% moving to Baltimore, I had a nice
dinner with Gary commemorating his 30th birthday, and a man I dated is
startint to lament the fact that we stopped.  Silly rabbit.


#390 of 560 by remmers on Mon Nov 17 17:24:27 2003:

IHB I had a good workout yesterday. (Slight bummage because my arms
are sore - those pushups were murder!)


#391 of 560 by twenex on Mon Nov 17 17:56:13 2003:

Maybe you should prosecute.


#392 of 560 by tsty on Tue Nov 18 07:03:32 2003:

re #383 & 388 .. worked this out in private .. it's alrfight.


#393 of 560 by keesan on Wed Nov 19 00:55:28 2003:

We have been trying for several years to trace down the origin of Herman Loth,
a hybrid that someone on some junk mail list staff made up by combining two
fictional characters that Jim was idiot enough to make up 20 years ago when
too many people called for Lady of teh House and Man of the House - Sheila
Loth and Herman Moth.  Sheila metamorphed to Shelia who, along with Herman
Loth (her son?) continues to get lots of junk mail.  Finally one company told
us they got their junk mail list from Experian, a credit agency like Equifax
and Transunion.

I went online and after much searching found a link to opt out (which they
warn you could have the dire consequences of receiving fewer catalogs and
offers) but the link kept putting me back to where I was, so I emailed.

I also found an 888 number for credit fraud, called, typed in a made up social
security number, which got me to an oral menu system where I could enter the
name and address and a made up social security number again, and was told that
to prevent further credit fraud they would take Herman off all their phone
and address lists for two years.  I wonder how they check credit on a
nonexistent character and how he got onto their list in the first place.

I then emailed the credit manager email list and asked them to contact me
since their website won't work.  It was a  plain link, not javascript.

Today I also got a third promise from Comcast to take our addresses off their
junk mail lists.  They required our phone numbers as well, to put on their
do not call list.  I wonder why they need that since there is a national one.


#394 of 560 by richard on Wed Nov 19 03:56:06 2003:

edina you'll like baltimore, my grandparents lived there for years.  I have
a strong connection to the place.  Great stadium there btw, Camden Yards, you
can see lots of Orioles games there during the summer


#395 of 560 by gull on Wed Nov 19 15:15:49 2003:

Re #393: If you have a business relationship with Comcast, they're
allowed to keep calling you even if you're on the national list.  It
could be they have their own do-not-call list of people they have a
business relationship with that don't want to be called.


#396 of 560 by edina on Wed Nov 19 15:20:20 2003:

Richard, I already do like Baltimore.  It's just such a fun town, and the
people there are awesome.


#397 of 560 by keesan on Wed Nov 19 16:55:53 2003:

You are allowed to call anyone with whom you have a business relationship.
Today I got email from Experian explaining that they have two lists, one of
people with credit ratings and one 'individual reference service' for which
they get the names from public records, telephone book, US Census, tax
records, and real estate records.  I wonder which of these lists Herman got
put onto.  Someone else once told me they got him from some public record.
He certainly does not own Jim's house or pay taxes on it.  Nor have we
received phone calls for him.  I will call Experian now and ask.


#398 of 560 by mcnally on Wed Nov 19 20:28:08 2003:

I wonder if it works both way.. 

  Hello, Mr. Johnson.  The reason I'm calling you at home is to
  share exciting news about..

  <irritated response>

  But sir, I *do* have a business relationship with you.  As an
  employee of Experian, you are part of an organization that keeps
  a file on nearly everyone in the country.  There's practically
  not a single adult in the country who *doesn't* have a business
  relationship with you and is therefore allowed to call you at
  home.  Now, about this exciting offer..


#399 of 560 by keesan on Wed Nov 19 20:48:30 2003:

I emailed Experian to let them know that their 800 number for getting off the
list compiled from public records no longer works.  This generated an
automated response containing the same 800 number.  I wonder how to reach a
real person who will read more than the subject line of my email.  Maybe I
will have to make up a subject line with no recognizable words in it to get
past their filter.


#400 of 560 by scott on Wed Nov 19 23:10:12 2003:

Got a bunch of firewood either cut or split, enough to fill my sheltered
storage.  


#401 of 560 by edina on Thu Nov 20 18:21:03 2003:

I'm happy because the moving week is nearly over.  Part of my lawfirm is
moving, and I stupidly volunteered to help coordinate.  But things are going
better, and I'm happy about that.  I bought clothes a size smaller.  My honey
is here in less than a week.


#402 of 560 by bhoward on Fri Nov 21 19:52:50 2003:

Tonight really turned out to be lovely evening.  

Rushed home early from work today to do last minute packing.  Tomorrow
we fly to Annapolis for a week of hanging with family and partaking
of turkey).  Part of the hurry was a late scheduled dinner with one of
my kodo-fan friends.  

Kodo have been on tour performing the product of their collaboration
with Tomasaburo Bando and are winding things down with a year-end series
of performances at a theatre in Sangenjaya.  My friend organized an
after-show beer and izakaya munchy cool down with three members of Kodo
tonight.  The plan was to meet for a few hours then head home.

5 hours and far too much beer later, suddenly realized it was 2am and
we still hadn't (haven't!) packed.  Off off, we go.

Well I'm finished packing and it's just about time to wake Yumi and
crash myself for an hour or two before heading to Narita but who needs
sleep anyways.

A lovely evening indeed.


#403 of 560 by remmers on Fri Nov 21 19:58:02 2003:

Sleep is for wimps.


#404 of 560 by gelinas on Fri Nov 21 20:03:29 2003:

Airplanes are for sleeping. :)


#405 of 560 by cmcgee on Fri Nov 21 21:40:29 2003:

Kodo is wonderful.  Caught them earlier this year in A2.


#406 of 560 by mcnally on Fri Nov 21 21:48:19 2003:

  We've had several days of cold, crisp, sunny weather with clear
  skies.  The mountains above town and on the nearby islands are
  covered with a light amount of snow -- just enough to show off
  the shapes of the trees on their forested sides and the air is
  so crisp and dry that you can see much further than under normal
  conditions..  To top it off, the clear skies last night made it
  possible to see the aurora -- not a spectacular display, perhaps,
  but curtains of faint greenish light across much of the sky.

  Definitely a beautiful week in SE Alaska.  Forecast for Saturday
  is 100% chance of rain, however, so I suppose I can kiss the
  scenic snow-shrouded slopes goodbye for a while.  Nice while it
  lasted, anyway..

  And oh, yeah, did I mention that when I went out to pick up
  lunch this afternoon I could see a pod of orcas surfacing and
  spouting across the Tongass Narrows from where I work?


#407 of 560 by keesan on Sat Nov 22 00:08:04 2003:

A friend in N. Vermont reports 10" of snow recently.  In their village the
snowplows load the snow into trucks and dump it in the river.  The snow is
often to the top of doors so they have second story porches on some houses.
This is a mountain valley.  Her car is having trouble with the hill.


#408 of 560 by russ on Sat Nov 22 02:33:30 2003:

IHB I found that I already had the Jeff Beck album I wanted (it was
with some stuff I put in the trunk of the car rather than leave it
sitting exposed, and I forgot about it for a few days due to work
pressures), and the replacement for my RMA'ed modem just arrived
and I am madly pulling down piles of stuff that I missed in the
interim.


#409 of 560 by other on Sat Nov 22 03:27:53 2003:

If Daniel Rosen is still company manager of Kodo, tell him I said 
hello.


#410 of 560 by twenex on Sat Nov 22 17:07:40 2003:

IHB England won the Rugby World Cup today, marking the first time since the
Cup began in '87 that it has been won by a Northern Hemisphere side, and the
first time since 1966 that England have won a world championship in a major
sport (the last having been the FIFA football (soccer) World Cup).

England won 20-17 against Australia, the hosting country and the defending
world champions, after beating France in the semi-final. Australia surprised
everyone bv beating the All-Blacks (New Zealand) in the semi-final.

Australia played really well; fortunately for us, we played better.


#411 of 560 by aruba on Sat Nov 22 20:02:58 2003:

Why do the call the team the "All-Blacks"?


#412 of 560 by twenex on Sat Nov 22 20:35:19 2003:

I think they're traditionally all Maoris, the original Polynesian inhabitants
of NZ; plus their tops are, well, all black.

I'm 99% sure they are all Maoris, because they are allowed to do this thing
called the "haka" before the game, which is sort of a Maori war-dance.


#413 of 560 by aruba on Sat Nov 22 21:09:34 2003:

Interesting.  You couldn't have a professional team in the US that
overtly discriminated based on ethnicity.


#414 of 560 by twenex on Sat Nov 22 21:28:28 2003:

Maybe the Maoris are just better or more interested than the Pakeha (the
whites). Or maybe there are whites in the team and they also do it; the haka
is a national institution in New Zealand, but the Pakeha far outnumber the
Maoris - until about 1996 when NZ adopted a partly proportional system of
voting for their Parliament, the Maoris were entitled to 2 seats out of just
under 100, reflecting the proportion of Maoris to Pakeha. (They could register
to vote for one of the two Maori seats, or one of the rest, but not both;
Pakeha were excluded from the two Maori seats altogether).

There's a bit of controversy involved, as the rugby world governing body
recently ruled that the NZers could perform the haka, as it's an ethnic
custom, but that Australia doesn't have the right to sing "Waltzing Matilda"
before international matches begin; God Save the Queen is played in the
presencer of the Queen and the Governor-General (the Queen's representative
and effectively the Head of State), but at other times "Advance Australia
Fair" is played, which is regarded as rather turgid by the laid-back Ozzies.


#415 of 560 by aruba on Sat Nov 22 21:38:30 2003:

What's the objection to Waltzing Matilda?


#416 of 560 by happyboy on Sat Nov 22 21:44:12 2003:

it's tacky *cracker music*


#417 of 560 by twenex on Sat Nov 22 21:58:07 2003:

That's not the objection the iRB rased; they don't consider it "ethnic"
enough. Another example of political correctness gone mad where the phrase
"gone mad" is redundant.


#418 of 560 by bhoward on Sun Nov 23 06:55:35 2003:

Re#409: Eric, I last saw Daniel in August at Earth Celebration where
he did a showing of some of the pottery he's been crafting in Hawai`i.

He's recently been organizing some sort of crafts program under the
general umbrella of the Kodo foundation.  

Normally I only run into him at EC each year but I owe him a beer and may
attempt to repay the debt when we pass through Honolulu next February :-)
If we cross paths, I'll pass on your howdy.


#419 of 560 by other on Sun Nov 23 16:48:26 2003:

Thanks!


#420 of 560 by tpryan on Sun Nov 23 20:24:17 2003:

        I had to replace a taillight on the car today.  IAHB
the weather is much better today than it will be tommorrow.


#421 of 560 by scott on Sun Nov 23 21:48:16 2003:

Got my office mostly put back together today.  Although it doesn't seem like
it at the moment (still a few piles of stuff lying around) I should end up
with more space and better organization.

Plus my upright bass is now in a much more convenient location, which means
more practicing will get done.


#422 of 560 by jiffer on Mon Nov 24 04:11:24 2003:

IHB I have the deserts for turkey day done... too many pies... people better
eat them or they will be shoved down their throats!

IAHB there are only 3 weeks left until now school for a month.


#423 of 560 by other on Mon Nov 24 06:02:49 2003:

I saw a really wonderful production of Shakespeare's _Twelfth Night_ 
at the Michigan Union Ballroom tonight, followed by a bunch of great 
local musicians performing at the Old Town Tavern.  All in all, a 
fine, fine evening.


#424 of 560 by edina on Mon Nov 24 15:08:48 2003:

FYI, not everyone on the All-Blacks is Maori - their captain was, and to my
knowledge, that's how the Haka started.  Quite frankly, if it meant the Caps
would win, I would encourage them to cha-cha on the ice.


#425 of 560 by scott on Mon Nov 24 15:17:20 2003:

The Globe Theatre stuff was loaded out last night with no major injuries, just
one slip & fall on the Union loading dock (not me).  And I'm just tired this
morning, no sore parts.

And it looks like I'm going to do a somewhat ambitious DIY electronics
project, a clone of the famed Teletronix LA2a compressor.  Found some websites
from people who already did this, and aside from some pricey parts it doesn't
look too difficult.


#426 of 560 by twenex on Mon Nov 24 16:00:01 2003:

re: 424: Heheheh. Thanks for that.


#427 of 560 by dcat on Mon Nov 24 16:24:26 2003:

I may have a chance to earn $300 working on a Pittsburgh Musical Theatre
production of Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat for two weeks. . . .


#428 of 560 by twenex on Mon Nov 24 16:51:23 2003:

Cool.


#429 of 560 by cmcgee on Mon Nov 24 17:26:28 2003:

re: 423 andd 425  Saw that Tuesday night! Wow. boys playing girls playing
boys.  All in the name of historical accuracy.  It was some of the most
powerful acting I've seen in a long time.


#430 of 560 by willcome on Mon Nov 24 19:09:28 2003:

whore


#431 of 560 by flem on Mon Nov 24 19:59:49 2003:

re: 12th night:  I was at SCA combat practice on Sunday, which is on the
first floor of the Union, in a room whose windows look out past a little
open balcony that one can access from a stairwell.  I was standing there
in full armor (which is not very impressive; I don't wear much armor)
talking to someone, when I happened to look out the window and see a
couple of middle-aged men smoking on the balcony, wearing very nice
Elizabethan gowns.  Eventually someone went out and talked to them and
found out that they actually were in a play.  (This is ironic because
when SCA people wander around in armor and garb and stuff, we always get
asked what play we're in.)


#432 of 560 by other on Mon Nov 24 21:22:01 2003:

Ahh.  That explains the patchwork outfit and partial plate mail I 
saw someone wearing outside the Union while I was finding parking on 
Sunday.

Yes, the acting in this production was exquisite, particularly the 
characters Viola/Cesario, Olivia and Feste.  This production also 
featured the most delicate and precise violation of the fourth wall 
I think I've ever seen.  It was as if we the audience only existed 
in the minds of the characters, so that their playing to us in no 
way pulled me out of the story.


#433 of 560 by aruba on Mon Nov 24 22:47:40 2003:

(What's the fourth wall?)


#434 of 560 by slynne on Mon Nov 24 23:12:50 2003:

The wall of the pretend room on stage that is between the audience and 
the actors. It is invisable and the actors just pretend there is a wall 
there. 


#435 of 560 by other on Tue Nov 25 00:08:17 2003:

More accurately, the fourth wall is the conceptual division between 
the reality of the play and the reality of the audience.  By overt 
acknowledgement of the audience, the play is said to break the 
fourth wall.  The risk in so doing is that the audience may be 
brought out of the reality in which the characters live their 
stories and back into the world in which the actors play roles on a 
stage.


#436 of 560 by beeswing on Tue Nov 25 00:13:13 2003:

An upcoming three days off. Sweet.


#437 of 560 by aruba on Tue Nov 25 01:00:23 2003:

Re 434-435 That's a cool concept.  What are the first three walls? :)


#438 of 560 by other on Tue Nov 25 03:19:42 2003:

There aren't any, though I'd guess the reference is to the sides and 
back of the stage or set, which comprise three elements of the 
play's reality which would be complimented by a fourth wall between 
the actors and the audience if that world was real.


#439 of 560 by flem on Tue Nov 25 17:13:53 2003:

The "fourth wall" concept is known with regards to comics too.  At least
in the circle of online strips I read, "breaking the fourth wall" is
considered a bit of a cliche, since it often happens as a result of the
author/artist taking a day off, or running out of material, or making
fun of his own material, or some other such self conscious joke.  


#440 of 560 by dcat on Thu Nov 27 03:21:08 2003:

Recently got done working on a production of Bertolt Brecht's "Mother Courage
and her Children".  For those who aren't familiar with Brecht, one of his
favourite ideas was constantly reminding the audience that they're watching
a play, that what's onstage is not reality.  We had the back walls & backstage
storage areas lit; we had actors dance and talk amongst themselves during
scene changes, which were filled with various international rap songs.  Lots of
fun.  Confused lots of people --- but mostly younger: the director said that
older people she'd talked to tended to really like it, but that younger people
tended to be offended by it --- either because it wasn't what they expected
from theatre, or else they thought that the idea was that they couldn't
understand the play without modern rap music. . . .


#441 of 560 by other on Thu Nov 27 05:16:44 2003:

Tonight I found a nearly two-month-old check for services rendered 
that I had completely forgotten about in my jacket pocket.  Woohoo!


#442 of 560 by willcome on Thu Nov 27 07:27:12 2003:

whore


#443 of 560 by rcurl on Thu Nov 27 19:46:57 2003:

Jerk.


#444 of 560 by scott on Sun Nov 30 20:05:30 2003:

Just got back from Thanksgiving in Chicago; no traffic jams and record time
today.


#445 of 560 by other on Sun Nov 30 20:56:34 2003:

Had a VERY nice night/morning.  Just got home.  Am more contented 
than I've been in years.


#446 of 560 by tpryan on Sun Nov 30 22:57:14 2003:

re 444:  leaving at 10am helps, doesn't it?


#447 of 560 by scott on Sun Nov 30 23:36:35 2003:

Re 446:  9am, actually.  Even better...


#448 of 560 by beeswing on Mon Dec 1 04:08:38 2003:

Neat weekend with the guy. Mmm hmm.


#449 of 560 by willcome on Mon Dec 1 04:10:19 2003:

DID YOU FUCK HIM?!


#450 of 560 by other on Mon Dec 1 04:13:18 2003:

FOAD


#451 of 560 by willcome on Mon Dec 1 04:20:17 2003:

AHAHAHA!

FOAD!


#452 of 560 by bhoward on Mon Dec 1 11:10:36 2003:

Just got back home after a week of Turkey and Christmas shopping.

What an odd yet strangely nice feeling it is to fly home to my parents
and think "yay, it's nice to be home" and return home to Tokyo, and think
again, "it's nice to be home".


#453 of 560 by anderyn on Mon Dec 1 17:14:53 2003:

Happy because we made it through Thanksgiving and it was okay without the
family thing.


#454 of 560 by keesan on Mon Dec 1 17:34:41 2003:

I resuscitated my little linux by making a missing symlink after removing some
package (elflibs?) apparently deleted it when it should not have.  This only
took two hours and we learned a lot in the process.  I now have a way to
download photos and view WORD files as text (I learned to compile these two
programs) and LOTS Of browsers - links, links2, lynx, w3m, opera.  It is fun
doing two downloads at once on two terminals.


#455 of 560 by gelinas on Mon Dec 1 19:10:00 2003:

IAHB I was (I think) the first into the Grex voting booth.  :)

(remmers *may* have been ahead of me, of course.)


#456 of 560 by remmers on Mon Dec 1 19:30:51 2003:

Only to test that it was working; but I erased my test vote.


#457 of 560 by edina on Tue Dec 2 15:39:42 2003:

I had a great extended weekend with my honey doing various DC things,
including entertaining his sister for a few days.  How I love being in love.


#458 of 560 by scott on Tue Dec 2 18:22:01 2003:

Found a couple pieces of test gear at the ReUse Center for a couple-three
bucks each, a function generator and a transistor tester.  Both things I've
been wanting better versions of.


#459 of 560 by scott on Tue Dec 2 22:38:14 2003:

...both pieces of test equipment WORK, too!

And I finally finished the reupholstery job on my office chair.  I'm sitting
in it now...


#460 of 560 by keesan on Tue Dec 2 22:50:09 2003:

I finally caught Jim's terrible cold.  Which is good because it would have
been much worse to catch it next week.  Jim is a bit better today.


#461 of 560 by bhoward on Tue Dec 2 23:05:54 2003:

Yay, I seemed to have conquered jetlag in record time.  Woke up bright an
early at my usual 5am wakeup and only suffered late-afternoon post-travel
fadeout briefly around 6pm yesterday.

Must have been the beer therapy.


#462 of 560 by russ on Wed Dec 3 02:10:38 2003:

Got a nice little script hacked up to fill in some missing files
among my downloads; it checks for what I've got and only grabs
what I need, and respects my naming conventions.


#463 of 560 by willcome on Wed Dec 3 02:13:06 2003:

LLLLIKE WGET


#464 of 560 by naftee on Wed Dec 3 03:52:32 2003:

AHAH YEAH WGET


#465 of 560 by willcome on Wed Dec 3 03:53:27 2003:

AHAHAHA< WAY TO REINVENT THE TYRE< RUSS!  OH< WAIT< AHAHAH< YOU ALREADY DID
THAT ROUND YOUR BELLY!  AHAHAHA


#466 of 560 by naftee on Wed Dec 3 04:14:05 2003:

AHAHAHHA HE"S A TIRE AND CUSHION ROLLED INTO ONE!! GET IT ? AHAHAHAH WHAT A
GUY.


#467 of 560 by willcome on Wed Dec 3 04:50:40 2003:

AHAHA< RE YOU SURE IT ISN"T TWO GUYS? HAhah


#468 of 560 by rcurl on Wed Dec 3 06:27:11 2003:

(jerks.....)


#469 of 560 by twenex on Wed Dec 3 14:21:57 2003:

You said it.


#470 of 560 by mcnally on Wed Dec 3 20:36:09 2003:

  I'm happy because I can breathe again, and can stand up without feeling
  like I'm going to pass out.

  There's a nasty flu virus of some sort making the rounds here in Ketchikan.
  Apparently it even killed a 44-year-old man in town earlier this week.
  If you've been thinking of not bothering with a flu shot this year I can
  tell you that even if this year's shot doesn't offer full protection 
  against the predominant flu strain going around, anything that lessens
  your chance of contracting this joy of a virus is worth considering..


#471 of 560 by beeswing on Thu Dec 4 00:17:49 2003:

Got my DSL kit today, and I'm now DSL-lin' like Magellan!

I am quite proud that I installed it all by myself, and did not screw up
my phone in the process.

Now if this school semester would end already...


#472 of 560 by keesan on Thu Dec 4 02:24:44 2003:

How does this flu start?  I have something that starts with three days of
scratchy throat and coughing.  


#473 of 560 by mcnally on Thu Dec 4 02:39:13 2003:

  For me it started out as scratchy throat and coughing, followed by high
  fever and chills, muscular aches, and later some difficulty breathing.
  I'm just assuming I got what everyone else in town seems to be coming
  down with;  I haven't done a comprehensive symptom check with any other
  victims.


#474 of 560 by keesan on Thu Dec 4 13:58:25 2003:

That sounds like what Jim had except he did not take his temperature.  I have
been coughing now for four days but no fever or aches.  He has also started
to cough again.  I hope we just have something new, because it is likely to
cause problems if I have what he had and get chemotherapy Monday.  This does
not combine well with drug-induced pharyngitis.    Mike, how long did you have
the flu and how long between the first coughing and the fever and chills?

I hate to have to cough at all the other patients Monday while waiting 3 hours
for the doctor's appointment, too.  They said to come in at least to see the
doctor and then decide whether to postpone chemotherapy a couple of days.


#475 of 560 by gull on Thu Dec 4 16:12:11 2003:

I tried to get a flu shot at a clinic scheduled at St. Francis Catholic
School, on Tuesday, but when I got there no one knew anything about it.
 There's supposed to be one tomorrow (Friday) at Busch's on Ellsworth
Road, from 9 am to 1 pm, so I'll probably try again there.

There's a list of local MVN flu shot clinics here:
http://www.med.umich.edu/opm/newspage/2002/flushot.htm


#476 of 560 by mcnally on Thu Dec 4 17:45:35 2003:

  re #474:  
  > Mike, how long did you have the flu and how long between the
  > first coughing and the fever and chills?

  I don't think I'm completely over it yet, so it's hard to say
  how long it'll last.  I think I started coughing on Saturday
  and Tuesday was the worst of it fever-wise.


#477 of 560 by gelinas on Thu Dec 4 21:08:39 2003:

IAHB a package from Amazon was in my mailbox today.


#478 of 560 by jiffer on Fri Dec 5 00:21:09 2003:

IHB I got some x-mas packages mailed out.  Nothing says love like sending the
gift of fire.


#479 of 560 by mcnally on Fri Dec 5 00:28:45 2003:

  Merry Christmas, Dr. Molotov!


#480 of 560 by mynxcat on Fri Dec 5 02:04:00 2003:

Yikes! I need to get my gifts out the door!


#481 of 560 by aruba on Fri Dec 5 02:23:30 2003:

Re #478: Should we call you "unajiffer"?


#482 of 560 by jiffer on Fri Dec 5 02:50:30 2003:

Well, it is being mailed to Ann Arbor... hmmm... I forgot to mail fuel for
the smore maker... I guess I am giving the gift of fire container


#483 of 560 by edina on Fri Dec 5 15:09:14 2003:

I'm incredibly happy I found a Formula-1, Ferrari Barbie for my boyfriend for
Christmas.  He collects F-1 and is a huge Ferrari fan.  It's a cheesy gift,
but a grand gift none the less.


#484 of 560 by mynxcat on Fri Dec 5 15:27:45 2003:

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#485 of 560 by mynxcat on Fri Dec 5 15:30:10 2003:

Does he like Barbie?

I'm happy because I get to see a cheesy Hindi movie tomorrow at a 
theater. It's been over a year since I've watched a Hindi movie at a 
theater. And it's always fun when you watch one here in the US, rather 
than in India.


#486 of 560 by edina on Fri Dec 5 15:37:37 2003:

He's not overly keen on Barbie - but he loves Formula One.


#487 of 560 by mynxcat on Fri Dec 5 15:51:46 2003:

I guess it balances out then :)

Is the Ferrari pink?


#488 of 560 by edina on Fri Dec 5 15:56:00 2003:

Oh God no - it's red!  She's wearing a little F-1 racing outfit.


#489 of 560 by mynxcat on Fri Dec 5 16:49:56 2003:

Ooh. Sweet.


#490 of 560 by gull on Fri Dec 5 16:58:32 2003:

The list of flu shot clinics I gave in resp:475 is actually for December
2002, which explains why no one knew what was going on at the one I
tried to go to. (I wasn't the only one there, though.)  Here's a current
list: http://www.salinereporter.com/news/20031204B01IJRC.asp?ID=67


#491 of 560 by richard on Fri Dec 5 20:52:37 2003:

IHB I got to see Simon & Garfunkel in concert last night at Madison 
Square Garden.  It was sort of a last minute deal, but I'm glad I went 
because it turned out to be a really good show.  Neither is as young as 
they used to be, but both of those guys can still sing and they haven't 
lost their considerable stage chemistry and voices.  And among 
contemporary twentieth century singers, few have voices more familiar 
to more people than Simon & Garfunkel.  

S&G did some of their great old songs like Paul Simon singing "The Only 
Living Boy in New York", and Garfunkel singing "Kathy's Song"  
Also "Cecilia", "Slip Sliding Away", "Scarborough Fair" and others.  
Many of their songs are so familiar that at times most of the place was 
singing along, like when S&G did "America", and Simon was singing "Let 
us be lovers, we'll marry our fortunes together, I've got some real 
estate here in my bag, so we bought a pack of cigarettes and Mrs. 
Wagner pies and we walked off to look for america..."

S&G's guest act (can't all it opening act because their set was in the 
middle of the show), was the Everly Brothers.  I hadn't even realized 
they were still alive, yet alone still performing.  They came on 
between S&G sets. The Everly Brothers performed songs like "Wake Up 
Little Susie" and "Dream' (Dream Dream Dreaaaam, Dreaaaaaaaaaam")  Then 
S&G came back on stage and, calling the Everly Brothers their heroes 
and principal early influence, they did a quartet of the Everlys' "Bye 
Bye Love"  

Then S&G did their second set, and Art Garfunkel, who still has a big 
head of hair, brought the house down as expected with "Bridge over 
Troubled Water", where he starts out singing in almost a whisper, and 
at the end is belting out "I will ease your mind like a bridge over 
troubled water, I will ease your mind...." at the top of his range.  It 
was also cool when they dimmed the lights a bit and they did the 
beautiful duet of "Sounds of Silence", which of course starts 'Hello 
darkness my old friend, I've come to talk with you again..."

At one point the arena went dark, and they showed clips on the 
jumbotron of Dustin Hoffman in the movie "The Graduate", and then you 
hear the opening chords of that movie's theme song, "Mrs. Robinson", 
and the lights come up and its really Paul Simon live singing the 
song.  "...where have you gone Joe Dimaggio, a nation turns its lonely 
eyes to you"  I thought that was pretty cool.

Both Simon and Garfunkel did a fair bit of chatting with the audience, 
with Simon explaining that they met as sixth graders in Queens fifty 
years ago, and Garfunkel chiming in that while they've known each other 
since they were eleven, they didn't start arguing until they were 
fourteen, so this tour celebrates fifty years of friendship and forty 
seven years of arguing.  

Anyway, I wasn't expecting to go to this show, the ticket I used 
belonged to someone else who couldn't go, but I'm glad I did.  I was a 
bit depressed and the show really cheered me up, and not just because I 
probably inhaled some second hand smoke from all the marijuana joints 
being passed around.  Simon and Garfunkel are a classic act, and it was 
nice to see them while they are still around and performing together, 
which they don't do that often anymore.  They are on tour for about 
three more weeks, if you can catch them I'd recommend it.  


#492 of 560 by krj on Fri Dec 5 22:07:20 2003:

(Richard, if only for archive purposes, I'd love to have this copied
into the music conference.  Thanks!)


#493 of 560 by dcat on Fri Dec 5 22:32:01 2003:

It's snowing in Pittsburgh.  *A lot*.  Forecast is for eight inches (down from
ten earlier, but still. . . )

 :-D


#494 of 560 by willcome on Sat Dec 6 01:26:33 2003:

Remember:  The flu shot KILLS.


#495 of 560 by tod on Sat Dec 6 01:30:06 2003:

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#496 of 560 by willcome on Sat Dec 6 06:51:32 2003:

Huh?  Washing hands doesn't get rid of evil flu VIRUS.


#497 of 560 by jep on Sun Dec 7 05:31:21 2003:

I have just managed to do about 1/3 of my Christmas shopping on-line.  
Provided everything comes in on time, this is definitely my way to 
shop!


#498 of 560 by edina on Mon Dec 8 15:53:31 2003:

Busy, productive weekend, but also nicely relaxing.  got ina  nice dinner and
a movie . . .hurray!


#499 of 560 by gull on Mon Dec 8 16:09:45 2003:

Re resp:495: Al Queda is involved with the Japanese now?!  Quick, bomb
Tokyo!


#500 of 560 by other on Mon Dec 8 16:44:09 2003:

Weekend was tops.  (ran out of superlatives...)


#501 of 560 by bhoward on Mon Dec 8 23:57:14 2003:

Um, no thanks.  I like Tokyo the way it is right now, thank you.


#502 of 560 by willcome on Tue Dec 9 02:25:52 2003:

Burning?


#503 of 560 by keesan on Tue Dec 9 02:53:22 2003:

My spam filter caught 7 out of 8 spams - everything with keesan, or
prescription in it, or BUSINESS, or drug.  I have to find some way to filter
on the ones with subject line 'hi' or 'hello'.  
What I would like is a way to filter out anything that is HTML only.


#504 of 560 by bhoward on Tue Dec 9 04:13:51 2003:

I use spamprobe, a bayesian spam analysis engine which works with
procmail.  Basically, you train it to distinguish between ham and spam
by feeding a list of known spam and another list of known good mail.

Check out http://spamprobe.sourceforge.net/ for more details.



#505 of 560 by keesan on Tue Dec 9 15:03:11 2003:

Is spamprobe available at grex already?
All I really need is a way to filter out mail that is html only, as it is
always spam, and all but Nigeria spam is html only.


#506 of 560 by remmers on Tue Dec 9 15:39:16 2003:

Procmail can search message bodies for strings, so if you're sure
that you want to filter all html messages, searching for html tags
should do it.  (I personally wouldn't want to do that.  Most, but
not all, of the html messages I get are spam.)


#507 of 560 by keesan on Tue Dec 9 16:04:09 2003:

I get non-spam that is a combination of text and html, mostly from aol users.


#508 of 560 by remmers on Tue Dec 9 16:09:32 2003:

That's harder to filter for with procmail.


#509 of 560 by mcnally on Tue Dec 9 17:21:16 2003:

  I find that SpamAssassin does a great job but Grex probably won't have
  the resources to run it until we move to the NextGrex system.


#510 of 560 by keesan on Tue Dec 9 21:52:23 2003:

I am happy to be sneezing and blowing my nose a bit instead of just coughing
my head off, because that means I can do chemotherapy tomorrow instead of
postponing it another two days.  The nurse suggested that I wash my hands
frequently after blowing my nose but agreed that would be difficult to do with
an IV in one hand.  You are not supposed to get them wet.  Also I would need
to drag the pump along with me to the bathroom even to wash one hand.  


#511 of 560 by tod on Tue Dec 9 21:54:08 2003:

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#512 of 560 by keesan on Tue Dec 9 22:03:20 2003:

Does that sterilize your hands?  


#513 of 560 by goose on Tue Dec 9 23:46:04 2003:

Yes.


#514 of 560 by keesan on Wed Dec 10 01:13:52 2003:

I could also try 70% alcohol, which is less stinky than hand lotions.

The alarm clock I had set for 7 went off at 7.  pm not am.  It lost half an
hour in 1 hour so Jim will haul himself out of the tub and find me the other
one.  He feels crummy again, worse than me.  Maybe he should take some
vincristine.  

The author has just rounded Cape Horn in freezing rain, sleet, hail and ice
with a wind from the east and a bad tooth infection and no place to stay out
of the wet except a low forecastle which they cannot even sit up in, with the
ventilation hole plugged to keep out the wet and bad air not helped by the
dim lamp burning in it.  And nothing to eat but corned beef and ship's biscuit
and two quarts of tea every day.  The cook is apparently there only to feed
the officers chicken pie and pancakes and coffee.  Someone snuck the author
some boiled rice because he could not open his mouth enough for the biscuits.
I have to come up with something semi-appetizing for supper, maybe microwaved
potatoes.  There is a chapter later on curing scurvy with the juice of raw
potatoes and onions.  I have orange juice.  I have it easy.  

In order to relieve the monotony of four hours watch every night, the author
recites to himself assorted poetry, the names of all the presidents, and the
numbers in Hawaiian, which he taught himself from Hawaiian sailors in
California.  Also Erlkonig (in German).  When I am trying to ignore the
dentist drill, I also recite to myself German poetry and Turkish and Albanian
numbers.  I should try this during the next IV insertion.  bir iki uc dort
bes alti yedi sekiz dokuz on.  nje dy tre katr pes (forgot six) shtate tete
nende dhjet.  Freut euch des Lebens.


#515 of 560 by keesan on Wed Dec 10 01:15:35 2003:

Oops, thought this was item 28.  The author is Richard Henry Dana, Two Years
Before the Mast. In item 28 we have been discussing rigging.  Sorry for
getting off whatever topic this item is.


#516 of 560 by scott on Wed Dec 10 04:45:34 2003:

Breadboarded up my first microphone attempt this evening... Panasonic capsule,
phantom powered via some fun circuitry found on the Web.  After several
missing wires were finally added, it worked!  Now I need a *#$& box from the
storage locker to try the more advanced hookup... time to go to bed.


#517 of 560 by charcat on Wed Dec 10 06:23:13 2003:

I'm happy because I just received in the mail an autographed book of "the
keeper's son" by Homer Hickam (my first autographed anything) he wrote the
book "rocked boys" which the movie "october skys" was based on. I read the
rocket boys book and fell in love with reading again. I've read all homers
other books and rediscovered books I like many years ago.


#518 of 560 by edina on Wed Dec 10 15:20:33 2003:

I'm happy because I got Christmas cards done and 15 loaves of pumpkin bread
baked.


#519 of 560 by mynxcat on Wed Dec 10 15:47:19 2003:

Yum

Got some of my presents done (Thank you Amazon) Have two more to go, 
and I can cross this off my To Do list.


#520 of 560 by scott on Wed Dec 10 23:34:58 2003:

Well damn.  A day of work later, and I've made two microphones.  Pretty much
exactly as I'd planned.  What went wrong, I wonder?  They even work correctly.


#521 of 560 by mary on Thu Dec 11 12:50:40 2003:

You guys have to check out this website.  Have fun building
your own snowbeing, for sure, but the gallery is a hoot.

http://www.naked-i.com/flash/winter/



#522 of 560 by scott on Thu Dec 11 14:40:13 2003:

Link doesn't seem to work. :(


#523 of 560 by other on Thu Dec 11 15:22:35 2003:

works for me...


#524 of 560 by goose on Thu Dec 11 15:24:47 2003:

Scott,  the latest issue of QST MAgazine (a ham radio magazine) has some
plans and ideas about rolling your own condenser mics.


#525 of 560 by flem on Thu Dec 11 19:09:20 2003:

Scale at the gym said 299 this morning.  That's the first time under 300
in at least a year, maybe more.  

Now where's that ice cream?  :)


#526 of 560 by maryeliz on Tue Dec 16 00:35:06 2003:

I'm happy because today i found out that i passed a course i'm taking at
Washtenaw Community College with flying colors!


#527 of 560 by aruba on Tue Dec 16 03:09:11 2003:

Congrats Mary!


#528 of 560 by twenex on Tue Dec 16 09:05:57 2003:

Yes, felicitations.


#529 of 560 by bhoward on Tue Dec 16 09:33:39 2003:

I have a growing collection of Hawaiian Ti plants (cordyline fruticosa)
which started from some cuttings I brought back from Hawai`i and
propagated vegitatively to create the rest of the brood.

Four years on and dang if one of them didn't show up in the morning with
a flower.

Ti produces flowers!?  Sure enough, a quick jaunt with google confirms
the evidence.  Apparently a number of varieties flower as much as twice
a year.  Presumably ours didn't due to the cooler climate in Japan than
is normal for them.

Cool.


#530 of 560 by edina on Tue Dec 16 15:13:21 2003:

IVHB in the midst of a conversation with Dave yesterday, he asked me what
kinds of rings I like.


#531 of 560 by gull on Tue Dec 16 15:41:35 2003:

You asked for the One Ring, didn't you?


#532 of 560 by aruba on Tue Dec 16 16:47:18 2003:

(lol) I'd ask for the onion rings at Casey's.


#533 of 560 by edina on Tue Dec 16 18:21:58 2003:

Heh.  My friend asked if I said I wanted the one ring to rule them all - I
said I just wanted the one ring to rule Dave.  

And Casey's does have fly onion rings!


#534 of 560 by mcnally on Tue Dec 16 18:45:32 2003:

  Maybe "fly" isn't the best word to compliment fast food..


#535 of 560 by remmers on Tue Dec 16 19:11:10 2003:

(Casey's isn't "fast food", if we're talking about the same
Casey's that I'm familiar with.)

IHB my performance at this year's Ragtime Bash went well.  But
there's some collateral bummage; see the bummed item.


#536 of 560 by mcnally on Tue Dec 16 21:57:25 2003:

  Right..  Pub food != fast food != burgers & onion rings, although
  those sets may overlap considerably..

  I'm still not sure "fly" is a great word to describe food.. 


#537 of 560 by aruba on Tue Dec 16 22:03:39 2003:

The ice crean truck that frequented our neighborhood last summer played
several tunes, including "La Cucaracha".  I found that a little troubling...


#538 of 560 by edina on Tue Dec 16 22:06:17 2003:

Ok - I recant on the word "fly" - and instead submit "tasty".  Is that better?


#539 of 560 by willcome on Tue Dec 16 22:59:30 2003:

It's that batter.


#540 of 560 by scott on Wed Dec 17 00:34:37 2003:

I believe that "awesomely outrageous" would be acceptable.


#541 of 560 by aruba on Wed Dec 17 01:12:04 2003:

Also "big and honkin'".


#542 of 560 by edina on Thu Dec 18 18:53:49 2003:

IVHB I will be driving across Ohio tomorrow at this time, homeward bound. 
And my attorneys totally hooked me up in terms of Christmas gifts.


#543 of 560 by scott on Thu Dec 18 23:12:16 2003:

I've mostly figured out the guitar part for Rickie Lee Jones' "Chuck E's in
Love"... one of the best groove tunes from way back when.


#544 of 560 by katie on Fri Dec 19 21:20:11 2003:

 (I can sing that song, fer sure!  Maybe you'd play for me sometime?)


#545 of 560 by scott on Fri Dec 19 23:27:02 2003:

(I'll need mucho time with the metronome before I venture *that* song in
public!)


#546 of 560 by scott on Tue Dec 23 03:01:49 2003:

Got one of my "new" tube testers working, mainly by cleaning out the meter
movement.  Finally a real mutual-conductance tester to replace my old
Heathkit!


#547 of 560 by richard on Tue Dec 23 04:02:19 2003:

IHB this is the first winter, but IBB this is still fall agora.  We want
Winter Agora!


#548 of 560 by richard on Tue Dec 23 04:03:09 2003:

er....I meant first day of winter, not first winter ever of course.  the days
can only get longer now :)


#549 of 560 by russ on Tue Dec 23 04:37:37 2003:

IHB the urgent support-the-team-in-trouble work is done,
and even though they were still at work at 3:30 AM they
appear to have things in hand.

Ah, back to my own project!


#550 of 560 by twenex on Tue Dec 23 15:09:30 2003:

IA Very H Indeed Because version 2.6 of the Linux kernel is now
officially out.

www.kernel.org.


#551 of 560 by tod on Tue Dec 23 16:42:26 2003:

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#552 of 560 by mynxcat on Tue Dec 23 17:46:43 2003:

I am happy because the shortest day of the year wasn't as short as it 
used to be. Is it my imagination, or is it not as dark at 5:00 pm as 
it used to be,say, a couple of years ago?


#553 of 560 by remmers on Tue Dec 23 18:08:05 2003:

Weren't you living in Cleveland a couple of years ago?  Things are
just darker there, on average.


#554 of 560 by tod on Tue Dec 23 18:11:41 2003:

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#555 of 560 by mynxcat on Tue Dec 23 19:08:58 2003:

Re 533> I was in Cleveland last year. The year before that India, and 
the year before that I was in Columbus. I remember it being pitch dark 
at about 4:30 pm, and it's just grey at 5:00 pm these days.


#556 of 560 by slynne on Tue Dec 23 19:21:54 2003:

The more north you are, the earlier it gets dark. But I live north of 
Cleveland and I have never noticed it being dark as early as 4:30 here 
before. I know it is pretty dark by 5:30 when I get off of work and 
still just a little light (but mostly dark) at 5p. 



#557 of 560 by bru on Tue Dec 23 20:24:17 2003:

all I know is it is lighter longer now than it was yesterday.


#558 of 560 by dcat on Tue Dec 23 20:34:18 2003:

in Pittsburgh it is usually pretty dark by 530 or 6 these days. . . (or it
was when I was there up to a week and a half ago)


#559 of 560 by tod on Tue Dec 23 21:26:37 2003:

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#560 of 560 by mcnally on Tue Dec 23 22:09:52 2003:

 I'm just glad I'm living in the southern part of Alaska -- I don't
 think I could take the dark in Barrow this time of year.  After many
 years in Michigan and a few in the Seattle area I didn't think I was
 particularly affected by loss of sunlight but the short days this winter
 have been quite a drag.  On the bright side (so to speak) the long days
 in summer are very, very nice..


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