News reports -- forgive me for not pasting in a link -- are that the Anglican Church is nearing a schism over the liberal US wing's insistence on consecrating an openly gay bishop. This is seen as intolerable by the conservatives in the church, particularly those in Africa. I've always been intensely curious about the ideological foundations of the Anglican Church. Somehow the desire of King Henry to get a divorce seems like a shaky foundation for a religious community, and the idea of the Queen of England as a figure with a religious role strikes me as a relic of the medieval period. Disclosure, again: I was raised Lutheran and I'm sure that conveys all sorts of biases.45 responses total.
Here's an article on the brew-ha-ha: http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,2763,1061368,00.html
I have often loved the quote I found on an Anglican web page: "Jesus came to take away your sins, not your mind."
Aah the great Lutheran church. The ideology of potlucks and jello salad.
(I'm sure there's a Garrison Keillor-wannabe item *somewhere* on Grex. Let's use this one for discussing the Anglicans..)
The word for "heretic" has it's roots in the greek word heresis.This word means sect or denomenation. All you need for salvation is Jesus. All denomenations are heresy. Paul addressed the issue of division in 1st cor. in the first chapter. No matter what"church"(this term by the way has it's roots in the word circe..a sorceress)you attend you will go to the lake of fire if you don't have Jesus.
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A comment like that from a man named cross? tisk tisk.
re 2: Oooh. That's a good one.
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I don't know anything about Anglicans, but I just read the article above. I like the fact that the church leaders are called "Primates". Apparantly many of the Primates are still carrying on the fight against Darwinism, being, for some reason, particularly sensitive to the accusation that they are related to monkeys.
To the best of my knowledge, the Anglicans do not oppose the teaching of evolution, nor are they a fundamentalist denomination. See the quote in my resp:2 from one of the Anglican web pages.
I think the origin of King Henry VIII's authority to found his own church is the Divine Right of Kings. No king could rule if it were against the will of God. Apparently Henry couldn't found his own church if it were against the will of God. It was the will of God that Henry rule in England. Henry had God in his pocket, one might say.
What you got against pot;ucks and jello salad?
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Hmmm, I've done a few potlucks and jello salad, just not at an Anglican church.
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what was in the jello salad? Was it lime with carrot shreds? Was it red with marshmallows?
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resp:17 you've never heard jokes about Mormons and green jello salad... with shredded carrots? oh, and then there's red punch, white cookies, and mint candy...
I've attended my share of Lutheran potlucks where amazing Jello salads served as edible art. I love 'em. In fact, many years ago I decided the Jesus part wasn't for me. But Jello remains a friend.
The church I went to when I was a kid had amazing potlucks and banquets. Generally the more rural the area, the better the people are at cooking mass quantities of food. A lot of women grew up on farms where they were expected to cook a big meal for the field hands at the end of the day.
The jello salads I grew up around were lime jello with cottage cheese and pineapple (no joke - it's actually quite good) and orange jello with shredded carrots and pineapple (still a fave). I now make sparkling mandarin orange jellow with crushed pineapple and mandarin oranges. People love it.
Recently I attended a potluck for Arlo's preschool and was amazed to find that it consisted largely of Fried Chicken (mostly Colonel Sanders') and jello salad. I've been to lots of Ann Arbor potlucks before, but have never seen either. I guess I hang out in the wrong circles. There must be whole different potluck cultures.
Yes. Different potluck cultures are typically a reflection of differences in socioeconomic, philosophical, and/or epicurean status. Since these types of status form multilayed, overlapping regions, the resulting complexity of potluck cultural variation is immense.
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#26 includes a lot of control characters that make my screen reset - could you scribble it and repost, Larry? Here's what's in the item file: ,R0000^J ,U1003,polygon^J ,ALawrence Kestenbaum^J ,D3f8eb106^J ,T^J I attended a potluck dinner last night which featured a rice casserole^J with bits of sausage, spaghetti noodles (with sauce in a separate dish),^J sesame noodles, roasted chicken, and apple crisp.^J ^[[A^[[A^[[A^L^[[A^X^[[A^[[A^[[A^[[A^[[A^[[A^[[D^[[D^[[D^[[A^[[A^[[A^[[A^[[A ^[[A^[[A^[[A^[[A^[[A^[[A^[[A^[[A^[[A^J ,E^J
I had a real problem with that too. It turned my screen into an editing screen, not reading.
Jello salad? Hooooonnney. I grew up in the south and was brought up Southern Baptist. I have eaten massive amounts of Jello salad at every major holiday and funeral. In my world, Jello salad is strawberry jello with cream cheese and fruit inside. My mom's jello salad rules. At Thanksgiving there will be the asparagus casserole. This is a layer after layer of asparagus and bread crumbs. The top is covered with canned fried onion rings. Maybe cheese if you're feeling crazy.
Recipe???
Would someone from staff please edit the garbage out of #26?
Mmmm.
Huh. I thought that was green bean casserole, not asparagus casserole?
When I attend potlucks at my church it consists of foods from Korea, Japan, Puerto Rico, Guam, Mexico, Various parts of European culture, american culture and experiments. There are major advantages to going to a parish or church on a military base, one being you get to taste various "cultures"
Can be green beans or asparagus, though asparagus is if you're trying to be fancy. Scott... dunno the recipe. Will have to check with mom. Oddly, I don't much care for grits.
(I have rendered the control characters in resp:26 harmless.)
(many thanks to you)
thanks jan! whoda thunk it that polygon would do something like that
Sorry about #26 -- I got cut off in mid-session, and apparently the system didn't terminate me gracefully.
I just finished "Quicksilver", the first book in Neal Stephenson's "Baroque Cycle". It takes place in the late 17th century, and, as far as I can tell, most of the historical events are accurate (the fiction comes in adding a few protagonists and imagining their interactions with the historical characters). Quite an interesting account of 25 years of English/French/Dutch history. Lots of it deals with the relations of the Anglican, Puritan, Lutheran, and Catholic churches and the nations which subscribed to these various denominations.
ummmm ... jello and pineapple do not mix - read teh lable. pineapple is a weird fruit. mandarin oranges on the other hand .... yummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Ken - getting a divorce may seem like "a shaky foundation" for a new church, but it obviously wasn't to Henry. But the shaky foundations are p[robably responsible for most of the changes to the Anglican rites to make them more Protestant. The only thing Henry did was to replace the Pope with himself as head of the Church - he remained "a good Catholic" in most other ways till the end of his life. (It was Henry VIII who was first given the title "Defender of the Faith", now carried by all English sovereigns. Given to him by the Pope - before he broke with Rome, of course.)
... adn this has what to do with pineapple?
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