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Item 79: Mulholland Drive

Entered by mynxcat on Sat Oct 11 14:48:51 2003:

I finally watched Mulholland Drive. What the hell was it about? I got totally
lost after the Opera scene. I know many of you have seen it, so explain
36 responses total.
#1 of 36 by slynne on Sat Oct 11 15:42:56 2003:

David Lynch likes to make movies that make no sense. I guess he likes 
to leave it up to the viewer to make up for themselves what it means. 
My personal theory is that even David Lynch himself doesnt know what 
the hell it is all about. So make up your own meaning. 

It has been a long time since I have seen this movie. I remember I came 
up with my own idea of what the ending meant but I have long since 
forgotten what that was. sorry.

#2 of 36 by remmers on Sat Oct 11 17:35:37 2003:

[SPOILER ALERT!  If you haven't seen the film but think you might
 someday, you may not want to read further.]


If you're going to get lost, the opera scene is certainly the place
to do it.  The plot takes a distinctly bizarre right turn at that
point.  Suddenly the whole universe built up in the first part of
the film comes apart.  Characters change names and roles.  Lines of
dialog that we heard in the first part of the film are repeated but
have entirely different meanings.

My theory is that the Naomi Watts character is seriously paranoid
and delusional, and the film is meant to show how things look
from her perspective.

#3 of 36 by mynxcat on Sat Oct 11 18:10:55 2003:

Naomi Watts is Betty/Dianne, right?

I think remmers' exlanation made sense. I was leaning toward the second half
was the flashback, and the first part was what hapens after she orders Camilla
killed. But lots of stuff didn't fit in.

#4 of 36 by sabre on Sun Oct 12 22:32:54 2003:

This movie makes perfect sense....if you're a guy.
The chick that got thrown from the plane is an analogy to the VC pow that they
questioned and thru from the helicopter.
Sheesh...I bet if it had a romantic theme(instead of a byline) you would
understand it fully. No biggie....chick flicks don't make sense to me either.

#5 of 36 by remmers on Mon Oct 13 11:51:04 2003:

(I wonder what movie sabre is talking about.  Certainly not "Mulholland
Drive".  Maybe the similarly titled "Mulholland Falls" from a few years
ago (which I didn't see).)

#6 of 36 by mynxcat on Mon Oct 13 12:51:06 2003:

Yeah sabre, the only "plane scene" was not even that, just a hot of Betty
coming ot of the airport. There was more of an erotic theme, that I
understood, just confused as to how it tied up with the first half of the
movie.

#7 of 36 by sabre on Mon Oct 13 23:11:24 2003:

you know you ARE right.....I was thinking about mulholland falls.
Anyways it was agood movie...staring Nick Nolte.
Mulholland drive I haven't seen.

#8 of 36 by mynxcat on Tue Oct 14 17:25:06 2003:

Back to Mulholland Drive, I think the part where Rita/Camilla opens 
that box with the funky blue key signifies "Pandora's  Box" It was as 
if she unlocked the whole episode that led to her present state

#9 of 36 by kenscann on Thu Oct 16 12:44:25 2003:

Mullhaolland Drive was going to be a TV seris...but you yanks don't know a
good thing when u see it (see twin Peaks)
STop
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#10 of 36 by remmers on Thu Oct 16 13:00:24 2003:

(Welcome to Grex.  "It gets easier."(tm)  ;-)

Right, what ended up as the movie was originally supposed to be a
mini-series a la "Twin Peaks", on ABC I think.  At some point, Lynch
and the network had a parting of the ways.  Not surprising.  TV
may be a lot more permissive now than it was a few decades ago, but
even nowadays there's content in "Mulholland Drive" that I have
trouble imagining that a broadcast network would allow in prime
time.

Actually, I'm glad that "Mulholland Drive" was released as a
theatrical film.  Lynch got to do it the way he wanted to.
Your mileage may vary, but I think "Mulholland Drive" is close
to being Lynch's best work, and it's one of my favorite movies
of the last few years.

#11 of 36 by mynxcat on Thu Oct 16 14:32:47 2003:

Don't think I've watched any of Lynch's other work

#12 of 36 by kenscann on Thu Oct 16 14:58:34 2003:

?
i agree, though another Lynch TV show would have been great, A third series
of Peaks would have been amazing, and on the air was hilarious!...u should
check that out

#13 of 36 by aruba on Thu Oct 16 15:49:05 2003:

I was pretty into Twin Peaks when it was on, but it went rapidly downhill
after we found out who killed Laura Palmer.

#14 of 36 by remmers on Thu Oct 16 16:27:26 2003:

They should've done "Twin Peaks" as a limited-run miniseries.
Instead, they tried to stretch it out into a regular series and,
as is too often the case, tended to run out of good ideas before
they ran out of film.

#15 of 36 by mcnally on Thu Oct 16 16:48:34 2003:

  re #13:  My tastes are unusual in a number of respects, but one of
  them is that I thought the second season of Twin Peaks was much more
  interesting than the first.

#16 of 36 by kenscann on Thu Oct 16 22:28:24 2003:

i totally agree, the second series had LOADS more going for it than the
first!, its just more of what u come to expect from a D Lynch story...the
whole Wyndam Earl plot was great!

#17 of 36 by remmers on Fri Oct 17 00:59:23 2003:

My recollection, which is admittedly vague, was that "Twin Peaks"
declined toward the end of its run.  This didn't include all of the
second season by any means.

"Twin Peaks" was not exclusively a David Lynch creation, by the way.
Not nearly as much as "Mulholland Drive".  He neither wrote nor
directed most of the episodes.

#18 of 36 by kenscann on Fri Oct 17 10:11:22 2003:

he wrote a great deal of Peaks and directed a couple of the episodes as well,
as he was busy shooting Wild at Heart at the time, the other guy was called
Mark Frost (who he did on the air with as well)...lynch added the dark
atmospheric parts and Frost added the TV/Comedy feel to it...it was a good
combo!

#19 of 36 by aruba on Sat Oct 18 20:29:30 2003:

I think that's right.  Mark Frost wasn't involved with the movie (Fire:Walk
with Me), which might explain the total lack of humor therein.

#20 of 36 by mcnally on Sat Oct 18 21:25:31 2003:

  That's a start, but frankly it'd take an awful lot to explain
  just what made "Fire: Walk With Me" such a trainwreck.

#21 of 36 by kenscann on Wed Oct 22 13:44:57 2003:

because it was originally 5 hours long, and cut to hell! ...theres a campaign
to get the full version released!

#22 of 36 by aruba on Wed Oct 22 13:57:45 2003:

Oh God, please, spare us!

#23 of 36 by remmers on Wed Oct 22 14:42:13 2003:

I'd be curious to see the full version of "Fire..." if it's ever released.

#24 of 36 by kenscann on Thu Oct 23 10:06:33 2003:

it keeps almost getting released and then not!!...its fgrustrating as lynch
is my favourite director and i'd love to see the full version!

#25 of 36 by murph on Thu Oct 23 19:08:33 2003:

I'm told the long version of "Dune" is good, but the short version is so
absolutely painful that I can't fathom giving the long one a chance.

#26 of 36 by edina on Mon Oct 27 16:46:58 2003:

I love hte long version.  And I desperately wish I could get it on DVD.

#27 of 36 by remmers on Mon Oct 27 19:20:39 2003:

Does the long version of Dune use more of Lynch's material, or does it
incorporate material created by others?

#28 of 36 by mcnally on Mon Oct 27 19:55:57 2003:

  Unless the "long version" he's talking about is the SciFi Channel's
  mini-series, it uses more of Lynch's material, missing some of the
  finishing touches (e.g. special effects.)

#29 of 36 by edina on Mon Oct 27 21:32:14 2003:

It's the original movie as made by Lynch, but about an hour longer.

#30 of 36 by remmers on Tue Oct 28 11:01:39 2003:

I'd like to see it then.

#31 of 36 by furs on Wed Oct 29 22:53:25 2003:

I really like David Lynch in general, but did NOT like Muhulland Dr. at 
all.

I always thought that his stuff made sense in a "not making sense" kind 
of way, but this one I just didnt' get.

#32 of 36 by tod on Wed Oct 29 23:53:52 2003:

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#33 of 36 by tsty on Tue Nov 4 06:48:47 2003:

Mulholland Drive is teh first site for ann arbor civic theater .... now
defunct, i guess, with the torching of the old perf-net building.
  
drove by there a few weeks ago .... bery sad, berybery.

#34 of 36 by kenscann on Thu Nov 6 11:59:58 2003:

You didnt understand Mullholland but you understood lost highway???...go
figure

#35 of 36 by remmers on Thu Nov 6 13:16:48 2003:

I thought "Mulholland Drive" was enigmatic in an exceptionally
entertaining sort of way.  "Lost Highway" was enigmatic but not
so entertaining.

#36 of 36 by willcome on Thu Nov 27 08:08:46 2003:

ne1 know ne movies bout whores

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