Grex Agora47 Conference

Item 78: The Mysterious Quote Item

Entered by md on Sat Oct 11 14:26:49 2003:

Ths is the mysterious quote item.  In this item, you have to enter a 
quote which, by its style or its content, should enable a liberally 
educated reader to guess its author without having to do a Google 
search.  If we have to start playing 20 questions, you've probably 
failed.
224 responses total.

#1 of 224 by md on Sat Oct 11 14:34:00 2003:

Btw, the person who guesses the author gets to enter the next quote.  
Here's one to start:

"While the eyes of all men were upon this event, admiring the justice 
displayed in their deserved deaths, the same eyes were suddenly taken 
off from this sight to admire at the mysterious ways of the same power 
in the melancholy fate of the young and virtuous daughter, the lady 
Cordelia, whose good deeds did seem to deserve a more fortunate 
conclusion: but it is an awful truth, that innocence and piety are not 
always successful in this world. The forces which Goneril and Regan had 
sent out under the command of the bad earl of Gloucester were 
victorious, and Cordelia, by the practices of this wicked earl, who did 
not like that any should stand between him and the throne, ended her 
life in prison. Thus, Heaven took this innocent lady to itself in her 
young years, after showing her to the world an illustrious example of 
filial duty. Lear did not long survive this kind child." 



#2 of 224 by slynne on Sat Oct 11 14:42:22 2003:

All I can think of is King Lear by Shakespeare but that passage doesnt 
sound very Shakespearian. 


#3 of 224 by md on Sat Oct 11 14:48:05 2003:

Nope.


#4 of 224 by remmers on Sat Oct 11 17:22:48 2003:

The passage is certainly about King Lear, but it's also certainly
a commentary on the play by some other author.

No author in particular jumps out at me, but the writing style
seems 20th century.  Maybe some current literary critic.  For no
better reason than that he's the first one to come to mind, I'll
guess Harold Bloom.


#5 of 224 by remmers on Sat Oct 11 17:24:48 2003:

(Thanks to md for reviving this item, by the way!)


#6 of 224 by other on Sat Oct 11 17:56:30 2003:

I would have guessed Bloom as well.


#7 of 224 by tod on Sat Oct 11 19:32:19 2003:

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#8 of 224 by carson on Sat Oct 11 23:49:52 2003:

<linked to games>


#9 of 224 by md on Sun Oct 12 00:05:46 2003:

*So* not Harold Bloom.


#10 of 224 by mcnally on Sun Oct 12 01:43:44 2003:

  Elia?


#11 of 224 by md on Sun Oct 12 14:29:42 2003:

And...?


#12 of 224 by remmers on Sun Oct 12 14:30:02 2003:

(That was going to be my next guess.)


#13 of 224 by md on Sun Oct 12 14:34:22 2003:

But unless Elia was two people, which I don't believe he was, that's 
only half the answer.  McNally probably has it, though, so let's 
declare him the winner.  Tales from Shakespeare, by Charles Lamb 
("Elia") and his sister Mary.  It's a children's book, as evidence the 
glossing over of the ghastly pathos of Cordelia's and Lear's deaths.

McNally's up.


#14 of 224 by mcnally on Mon Oct 13 18:39:21 2003:

  Was out hiking most of the weekend and not feeling particularly bookish.
  I'm at work right now, but will endeavor to find a suitable quote this
  evening..


#15 of 224 by mcnally on Wed Oct 15 06:53:20 2003:

  Hmmm..  I'm accustomed to having my own books around me but don't have
  that luxury at the moment -- they're mostly in storage back in Michigan.
  So I'll just make do with what's handy on my sister's bookshelves.

      "Brother to a Prince and fellow to a beggar if he be found worthy.
      The law, as quoted, lays down a fair conduct of life, and one not
      easy to follow.  I have been fellow to a beggar again and again
      under circumstances which prevented either of us finding out whether
      the other was worthy.  I have still to be brother to a Prince,
      though I once came near to kinship with what might have been a
      veritable King and was promised the reversion of a Kingdom --
      army, law-courts, revenue, and policy all complete.  But, today,
      I greatly fear that my King is dead, and if I want a crown I must
      go hunt it for myself."


#16 of 224 by aruba on Wed Oct 15 13:11:22 2003:

Mark Twain?


#17 of 224 by slynne on Wed Oct 15 14:00:46 2003:

Oh. I think I have read that but for the life of me, I cant remember 
what it is or who wrote it. ARGH.


#18 of 224 by mcnally on Wed Oct 15 17:18:17 2003:

  Not Twain.


#19 of 224 by slynne on Wed Oct 15 18:21:51 2003:

Oscar Wilde?


#20 of 224 by mcnally on Wed Oct 15 19:19:57 2003:

  Nor Wilde.


#21 of 224 by tod on Wed Oct 15 23:22:35 2003:

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#22 of 224 by mcnally on Wed Oct 15 23:45:01 2003:

  To the best of my knowledge this author never resided in DeSmet, SD.


#23 of 224 by gelinas on Thu Oct 16 01:58:14 2003:

Too refined for Kipling, I think.  Still, with no hope of finding a suitable
quote should I be right, I'll guess Rudyard.


#24 of 224 by slynne on Thu Oct 16 02:03:55 2003:

E.M. Forrester?


#25 of 224 by mcnally on Thu Oct 16 02:20:58 2003:

  re #23:  you shouldn't hedge your bets like that if you're going
  to guess correctly.  It is indeed Kipling (it's the beginning of
  "The Man Who Would Be King.")


#26 of 224 by bru on Thu Oct 16 02:22:36 2003:

Kipling's The man who would be king.


#27 of 224 by gelinas on Thu Oct 16 03:29:27 2003:

OK.  Don't know why it felt like Kipling, though.

        I scarely know where to begin, though I sometimes facetiously
        place the cause of it all to Charley Furuseth's credit.  He kept a
        summer cottage in Mill Valley, under the shadow of Mount Tamalpais,
        and never occupied it except when he loafed through the winter
        months and read Nietzche and Schopenhauer to rest his brain.
        When summer came on, he elected to sweat out a hot and dusty
        existence in the city and to toil incessantly.  Had it not been
        my custom to run up to see him every Saturday afternoon and to
        stop over till Monday morning, this particular January Monday
        morning would not have found me afloat on San Francisco Bay.


#28 of 224 by slynne on Thu Oct 16 14:44:47 2003:

Jack London?


#29 of 224 by polygon on Thu Oct 16 14:48:34 2003:

Richard Brautigan?


#30 of 224 by gelinas on Thu Oct 16 14:50:39 2003:

slynne got it right out of the gate.

It's the first paragraph of The Sea Wolf.


#31 of 224 by slynne on Thu Oct 16 17:08:58 2003:

Cool. I havent even read that but it sounded like him and I asked 
myself, "who would write about San Fransisco".

Ok, here is mine....

"The three years that have passed have brought but few changes to the 
quiet family. The war is over, and [NAME DELETED] safely at home, busy 
with his books and the small parish which found in him a minister by 
nature as by grace, a quiet, studious man, rich in the wisdom that is 
better than learning, the charity which calls all mankind `brother', 
the piety that blossoms into character, making it august and lovely. 

These attributes, in spite of poverty and the strict integrity which 
shut him out from the more worldly successes, attracted to him many 
admirable persons, as naturally as sweet herbs draw bees, and as 
naturally he gave them the honey into which fifty years of hard 
experience had distilled no bitter drop. Earnest young men found the 
gray-headed scholar as young at heart as they, thoughtful or troubled 
women instinctively brought their doubts to him, sure of finding the 
gentlest sympathy, the wisest counsel. Sinners told their sins to the 
pure-hearted old man and were both rebuked and saved. Gifted men found 
a companion in him. Ambitious men caught glimpses of nobler ambitions 
than their own, and even worldlings confessed that his beliefs were 
beautiful and true, although `they wouldn't pay'. "


#32 of 224 by anderyn on Thu Oct 16 17:23:27 2003:

"Little Women" by Louisa May Alcott?


#33 of 224 by slynne on Thu Oct 16 18:06:31 2003:

Wow. I figured that one would be easy but I didnt figure it would be 
*that* easy ;) You got it, Twila, so it is your turn. 


#34 of 224 by aruba on Fri Oct 17 19:28:15 2003:

15 minutes - that's pretty good!


#35 of 224 by asddsa on Sun Oct 19 04:19:25 2003:

Yeah, it's a record ejaculation time, for you.


#36 of 224 by anderyn on Sun Oct 19 14:17:48 2003:

I'll be posting something a bit later today. 


#37 of 224 by asddsa on Mon Oct 20 02:49:27 2003:

I canht wait.


#38 of 224 by senthilc on Tue Oct 21 17:56:54 2003:

met too


#39 of 224 by polygon on Sat Oct 25 02:24:18 2003:

Hmmm, since Twila has not gotten to it, I'll post a little something
in the interim.

       Mr C(lavius) F(rederick) Earbrass is, of course, the
    well-known novelist.  Of his books, _A Moral Dustbin_,
    _More Chains Than Clank_, _Was It Likely?_, and the
    Hipdeep trilogy are, perhaps, the most admired.  Mr
    Earbrass is seen on the croquet lawn of his house,
    Hobbies Odd, near Collapsed Pudding in Mortshire.  He
    is studying a game left unfinished at the end of the
    summer.


#40 of 224 by mcnally on Sat Oct 25 04:48:50 2003:

  P.G. Wodehouse?


#41 of 224 by other on Sat Oct 25 05:29:32 2003:

Tom Holt?


#42 of 224 by remmers on Sat Oct 25 11:45:41 2003:

Mickey Spillane?


#43 of 224 by polygon on Sat Oct 25 13:21:54 2003:

Re 40,41,42.  Nope.

Should I give clues?  The passage was first published in 1953.


#44 of 224 by gelinas on Sat Oct 25 16:40:10 2003:

GBS?


#45 of 224 by jep on Sat Oct 25 23:58:30 2003:

Edward Gorey.


#46 of 224 by gelinas on Sun Oct 26 00:38:02 2003:

It does match the other stuff I've seen by Mr. Gorey.


#47 of 224 by remmers on Sun Oct 26 15:17:38 2003:

(Re #44:  If you mean George Bernard Shaw, he died in 1950.  Doesn't
sound much like Shaw in any case.)


#48 of 224 by gelinas on Sun Oct 26 22:42:37 2003:

(Yes, I meant Mr. Shaw.  I don't see a date reference in the snippet.)


#49 of 224 by polygon on Mon Oct 27 06:37:11 2003:

Re 44,47,48.  Not Shaw.  I mentioned 1953 in #43.

Re 45.  John Perry is correct!  Edward Gorey.

The quote is the opening pargraph of "The Unstrung Harp", published in
1953, republished in the collection "Amphigorey".


#50 of 224 by jep on Mon Oct 27 14:51:57 2003:

Okay, here's the next entry.  I have google-proofed it by substituting 
a word or two from each line, without (I hope) altering the meaning or 
feel of the story.

---

I had soon told my tale and began to look about me.
The log hut was built of unsquared trunks of pine--
roof, walls, and floor.  The floor stood in several
places as much as 12 inches or a foot and a half above the
surface of the sand.  There was a patio at the door,
and under this patio the little spring welled up into
an artificial bowl of a rather odd kind--no other than
a great ship's pot of iron, with the bottom knocked
out, and sunk "to her bearings," as the captain remarked,
in the sand.


#51 of 224 by slynne on Mon Oct 27 15:17:01 2003:

Treasure Island! I love that book. 

Robert Louis Stevenson 


#52 of 224 by jep on Mon Oct 27 15:22:10 2003:

Yep.  You're next!

It's a great book, but for some reason I had never read it until I 
bought a copy at a library book sale in Tecumseh.  I wasn't even 
familiar with the storyline until I saw the movie "Treasure Planet" 
last year.

I have spent too much of my life reading science fiction, to the 
exclusion of all other types of literature.


#53 of 224 by aruba on Mon Oct 27 15:24:09 2003:

It is a great book.  Getting through the first chapter can be hard for a
little kid, but after that it's gravy.


#54 of 224 by slynne on Mon Oct 27 16:22:28 2003:

Ok, I'll do another easy one :) I have deleted names and replaced them 
with initials just to kind of make it a little harder. 

"Do not make yourself uneasy, my dear cousin, about your apparel. Lady 
C. is far from requiring that elegance of dress in us, which becomes 
herself and daughter. I would advise you merely to put on whatever of 
your clothes is superior to the rest, there is no occasion for any 
thing more. Lady C. will not think the worse of you for being simply 
dressed. She likes to have the distinction of rank preserved."



#55 of 224 by aruba on Mon Oct 27 16:26:13 2003:

Charles Dickens?


#56 of 224 by other on Mon Oct 27 18:00:20 2003:

Great Expectations...?


#57 of 224 by kip on Mon Oct 27 18:41:37 2003:

Ah, one I can get.  :)  Eli over here at the library likes to quote that last
line occasionally in a humorous way.

This would be from Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen.


#58 of 224 by slynne on Mon Oct 27 18:47:39 2003:

Very good Kip! You are up next. That is one of more famous lines from 
that book. I love it! Jane Austin really knew how to write a romantic 
comedy. 


#59 of 224 by jep on Tue Oct 28 02:31:28 2003:

I was going to guess D. H. Lawrence but I guess that's a little 
obvious.


#60 of 224 by polygon on Mon Nov 3 15:16:28 2003:

Since no new posting has appeared, here's one:

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


In my native town of [name], at the head of what, half a century ago, in
the days of old King Derby, was a bustling wharf, -- but which is now
burdened with decayed wooden warehouses, and exhibits few or no symptoms
of commercial life; except, perhaps, a bark or brig, half-way down its
melancholy length, discharging hides; or, nearer at hand, a Nova Scotia
schooner, pitching out her cargo of firewood, -- at the head, I say, of
this dilapidated wharf, which the tide often overflows, and along which,
at the base and in the rear of the row of buildings, the track of many
languid years is seen in a border of unthrifty grass, -- here, with a view
from its front windows adown this not very enlivening prospect, and thence
across the harbour, stands a spacious edifice of brick. From the loftiest
point of its roof, during precisely three and a half hours of each
forenoon, floats or droops, in breeze or calm, the banner of the republic; 
but with the thirteen stripes turned vertically, instead of horizontally,
and thus indicating that a civil, and not a military post of Uncle Sam's
government, is here established. Its front is ornamented with a portico of
half a dozen wooden pillars, supporting a balcony, beneath which a flight
of wide granite steps descends towards the street. Over the entrance
hovers an enormous specimen of the American eagle, with outspread wings, a
shield before her breast, and, if I recollect aright, a bunch of
intermingled thunderbolts and barbed arrows in each claw. With the
customary infirmity of temper that characterizes this unhappy fowl, she
appears, by the fierceness of her beak and eye and the general truculency
of her attitude, to threaten mischief to the inoffensive community; and
especially to warn all citizens, careful of their safety, against
intruding on the premises which she overshadows with her wings. 
Nevertheless, vixenly as she looks, many people are seeking, at this very
moment, to shelter themselves under the wing of the federal eagle;
imagining, I presume, that her bosom has all the softness and snugness of
an eider-down pillow. But she has no great tenderness, even in her best of
moods, and, sooner or later, -- oftener soon than late, -- is apt to fling
off her nestlings with a scratch of her claw, a dab of her beak, or a
rankling wound from her barbed arrows. 


#61 of 224 by aruba on Mon Nov 3 19:16:32 2003:

Wow, did that need some more periods.


#62 of 224 by md on Mon Nov 3 19:36:49 2003:

I disagree.  It is an absoluty beautiful piece of writing.


#63 of 224 by md on Mon Nov 3 19:37:29 2003:

[ahem] I disagree.  It is an absolutely beautiful piece of writing.


#64 of 224 by polygon on Mon Nov 3 20:02:22 2003:

Please go ahead and identify the person responsible.


#65 of 224 by mcnally on Mon Nov 3 21:57:42 2003:

  Almost certainly not correct, but knowing of his efforts to promote
  the turkey as the national bird in preference to the bald eagle, I'll
  guess Benjamin Franklin..

  For what it's worth, since moving to Alaska I've had plenty of 
  opportunities to observe bald eagles and while they are beautiful and
  majestic in appearance, they really are pretty ill-tempered and petulant
  birds.  


#66 of 224 by rcurl on Mon Nov 3 22:00:20 2003:

Like our Congress......


#67 of 224 by aruba on Mon Nov 3 22:41:56 2003:

I'll guess Edward Everett Hale.


#68 of 224 by mcnally on Mon Nov 3 23:20:52 2003:

  re #66:  except for the "beautiful and majestic in appearance" part..


#69 of 224 by other on Mon Nov 3 23:24:21 2003:

The sentences are actually kind of short, but I'll venture Faulkner.


#70 of 224 by md on Mon Nov 3 23:37:58 2003:

Hawthorne, "The Custom House."  Prose doesn't get much better-written 
than that.


#71 of 224 by md on Mon Nov 3 23:56:40 2003:

Here's the next one:

"Frank has acknowledged the safe return of the galleys I had been sent 
here and has asked me to mention in my Preface -- and this I willingly 
do -- that I alone am responsible for any mistakes in my commentary.  
Insert before a professional.  A professional proofreader has carefully 
rechecked the printed text of the poem against the phototype of the 
manuscript, and has found a few trivial misprints I had missed; that 
has been all in the way of outside assistance."


#72 of 224 by tod on Tue Nov 4 00:00:31 2003:

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#73 of 224 by mcnally on Tue Nov 4 00:29:59 2003:

  re #72:  how many late 1700s manuscripts do you think talk about
           "phototypes"? 

           but even apart from "phototypes" I'm just not seeing
           whatever clues led you to that conclusion..


#74 of 224 by tod on Tue Nov 4 00:57:57 2003:

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#75 of 224 by gelinas on Tue Nov 4 06:01:21 2003:

Do #72 and #74 really refer to #71?  If, instead, they refer to the previous
quote, identifed as from Hawthorne's "The Custom House", then the "late 1700s"
isn't too far off.


#76 of 224 by md on Tue Nov 4 11:46:33 2003:

Hawthorne wrote "The Custom House" in probably in the 1840s, when he 
was actually wroking there.  The current mystery quote is:

"Frank has acknowledged the safe return of the galleys I had been sent 
here and has asked me to mention in my Preface -- and this I willingly 
do -- that I alone am responsible for any mistakes in my commentary.  
Insert before a professional.  A professional proofreader has carefully 
rechecked the printed text of the poem against the phototype of the 
manuscript, and has found a few trivial misprints I had missed; that 
has been all in the way of outside assistance."


#77 of 224 by remmers on Tue Nov 4 12:25:17 2003:

Walt Whitman?


#78 of 224 by tod on Tue Nov 4 18:23:34 2003:

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#79 of 224 by md on Tue Nov 4 19:52:55 2003:

True story: I thought I might give "The Custom House" another read, so 
I took down my LoA _Complete Tales and Sketches_ and looked it up in 
the ToC.  Not there.  I slapped my forehead as I realized that "The 
Custom House" was the standalone introduction to _The House of the 
Seven Gables_.  So, I replaced my LoA _Complete Tales and Sketches_, 
took down my LoA _Complete Novels_, and turned to H7G.  *Still* not 
there.  Getting seriously alarmed now.  As a last resort, I turned to 
the beginning of _The Scarlet Letter_, thinking that surely can't be 
it, and there it was.  It was like arriving at a familiar intersection 
from an unfamiliar direction.  Anyway, some Hawthorne fan.

Not Walt Whitman.  Not Stephen King.  I'd've thought "Insert before a 
professional" gave it away.  Here's another excerpt from the same work:

"Let me state that without my notes [...]'s text simply has no human 
reality at all since the human reality of such a poem as his (being too 
skittish and reticent for an autobiographical work), with the omission 
of many pithy lines carelessly rejected by him, has to depend entirely 
on the reality of its author and his surroundings, attachments and so 
forth, a reality that only my notes can provide.  To this statement my 
dear poet would probably not have ascribed, but, for better or worse, 
it is the commentator who has the last word."


#80 of 224 by tod on Tue Nov 4 23:47:47 2003:

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#81 of 224 by md on Wed Nov 5 00:16:07 2003:

More of same book:

"What if we awake one day, all of us, and find ourselves utterly unable 
to read?  I wish you to gasp not only at what you read but at the 
miracle of its being readable (so I used to tell my students).  
Although I am capable, through long dabbling in blue magic, of 
imitating any prose in the world (but singularly enough not verse -- I 
am a miserable rhymester), I do not consider myself a true artist, save 
in one matter: I can do what only a true artist can do -- pounce upon 
the forgotten butterfly of revelation, wean myself abruptly from the 
habit of things, see the web of the world, and the warp and the weft of 
that web.  Solemnly I weighed in my hand what I was carrying under my 
left armpit, and for a moment I found myself enriched with an 
indescribable amazement as if informed that fireflies were making 
decodable signals on behalf of stranded spirits, or that a bat was 
writing a legible tale of torture in the bruise and branded sky."


#82 of 224 by md on Wed Nov 5 00:17:31 2003:

"bruised and branded sky" sorry.


#83 of 224 by goose on Wed Nov 5 01:47:10 2003:

Pynchon


#84 of 224 by md on Wed Nov 5 02:52:45 2003:

Not Pynchon.


#85 of 224 by slynne on Wed Nov 5 03:30:18 2003:

Well damn. YOu have stumped me. I dont even have a good guess. So I 
will take a bad guess. = Virginia Wolfe


#86 of 224 by jep on Wed Nov 5 03:36:40 2003:

I haven't got the foggiest.  It's nothing I've read, I'm sure of that.

T. H. White?


#87 of 224 by other on Wed Nov 5 05:12:32 2003:

H. L. Mencken


#88 of 224 by remmers on Wed Nov 5 13:52:44 2003:

The "Insert before a professional" didn't give it away to me, and I'm
still puzzling over what it means.

In the last quote the author refers to his "students", which strongly
suggests that he's an academic.  The guy also seems excessively fond
of alliteration:  "utterly unable", "the web of the world, and the
warp and the weft of that web" (sheesh!), "stranded spirits", etc.


#89 of 224 by gelinas on Wed Nov 5 17:04:35 2003:

I interpreted the "Insert before a professional" as a proof-reading note that
got incorporated into the text.

But I've not read the piece (before), nor do I know the author.


#90 of 224 by md on Wed Nov 5 18:28:25 2003:

One more quote from the same book:

"I was the shadow of the waxwing slain
By the false azure in the windowpane;
I was the smudge of ashen fluff -- and I
Lived on, flew on, in the reflected sky."


#91 of 224 by remmers on Wed Nov 5 19:33:07 2003:

Still stumped.


#92 of 224 by slynne on Wed Nov 5 20:52:47 2003:

All I know is that I havent read it. Maybe you could give us some non-
literary clues. *shrug*


#93 of 224 by md on Wed Nov 5 21:48:43 2003:

Nope.  One more.

"English was not taught in Zembla before Mr. Campbell's time.  Conmal 
mastered it all by himself (mainly by learning a lexicon by heart) as a 
young man in 1880, when not the verbal inferno but a quiet military 
career seemed to open before him, and his first work (the translation 
of Shakespeare's _Sonnets_) was the outcome of a bet with a fellow 
officer.  He exchanged his frogged uniform for a scholar's dressing 
gown and tackled _The Tempest_.  A slow worker, he needed half a 
century to translate the works of him whom he called "dze bart," in 
their entirety.  After this, in 1930, he went on to Milton and other 
poets, steadily drilling through the ages, and had just completed 
Kipling's "The Rhyme of the Three Sealers" ("Now this is the Law of the 
Muscovite that he proves with shot and steel") when he fell ill and 
soon expired under his splendid painted bed ceil with its reproductions 
of Altamira animals, his last word in his last delirium being "Comment 
dit-on 'mourir' en englais?" -- a beautiful and touching end."


#94 of 224 by polygon on Thu Nov 6 06:43:59 2003:

Anyone mention Kipling yet?


#95 of 224 by mcnally on Thu Nov 6 07:19:23 2003:

  Yes, but not in relation to this quote..  :-)


#96 of 224 by remmers on Thu Nov 6 13:14:30 2003:

In one of the quotes, the author says that he's a lousy poet.
Would Kipling have said that?


#97 of 224 by goose on Thu Nov 6 13:51:44 2003:

Heh...


#98 of 224 by bru on Thu Nov 6 17:45:00 2003:

I had not read this either, so I looked it up.  I only read one of his books,
and I would be surprised if most of us had not read that one at some point
beyond high school.


#99 of 224 by md on Thu Nov 6 18:29:05 2003:

Last quote:

"_Dim Gulf_ was my first book (free verse); _Night Rote_
Came next; then _Hebe's Cup_, my final float
In that damp carnival, for now I term
Everything "Poems" and no longer squirm.
(But *this* thransparent thingum does require
Some moondrop title.  Help me, Will!  _Pale Fire_.)"


#100 of 224 by remmers on Thu Nov 6 18:50:14 2003:

Vladimir Nabokov.


#101 of 224 by goose on Thu Nov 6 19:01:31 2003:

And we have a winner!


#102 of 224 by md on Thu Nov 6 19:38:29 2003:

Yah, Nabokov's Pale Fire.  The prose is by Charles Kinbote and the 
poetry is by John Shade.  Here's a review I wrote of it recently:

Once upon a time, a judge named Goldsworth who lived in the college 
town of New Wye, Appalachia, sent a homicidal maniac named Jack Grey to 
an Institute for the Criminal Insane. But Grey escaped, and set out to 
find Judge Goldsworth and take revenge on him. 

When Grey arrived in New Wye, Goldsworth was away on sabbatical.  
Unfortunately, Goldsworth's nextdoor neighbor, a famous poet named John 
Shade, resembled Judge Goldsworth a bit. At the very moment Jack Grey 
arrived at the Goldsworth house, Shade was on his way there. Thinking 
Shade was the judge, Grey opened fire on the unfortunate poet, killing 
him instantly with a bullet through the heart.

The reason Shade was at Goldsworth's house was that the man who was 
temporarily renting it while the judge was away, a Russian emigre named 
Vseslav Botkin, had lured him there with promises of liquor. (Shade was 
on the wagon, or at least trying.) 

Now this Vseslav Botkin was insane. After leading a dismal life of 
pederasty and persecution he had retreated into a desperate fantasy in 
which he imagined himself to be Charles the Beloved, last king of the 
kingdom of Zembla. In Botkin's paranoid world, the extremists had taken 
over Zembla and King Charles was forced to flee to America, where he 
changed his name to Charles Kinbote and found a teaching job at 
Wordsmith University, in New Wye. Botkin believed that Grey was 
actually an incompetent assassin sent by the extremists to murder King 
Charles (i.e., him), but who murdered John Shade by accident.

The fantasies of this lunatic might be of little interest to the rest 
of the world, except for one thing. Botkin had been confiding his 
Zembla fantasies to John Shade in the hope that Shade would bring them 
to life in an epic poem. And in fact, Shade had been hinting to Botkin 
that he was writing a long poem, which Botkin crazily assumed would be 
his Zembla poem. On that fateful afternoon, Botkin had induced Shade to 
bring the almost-finished manuscript of the poem to Goldsworth's house, 
where Botkin (as he believed) would finally see his Zembla come to life.

When the police had left and Botkin was alone at last with "his" poem, 
he was horrified to find that it had nothing at all to do with Zembla. 
It was an autobiographical poem addressed to the poet's beloved wife, 
whom Botkin despised, as he despised all women. The poem was very 
personal, containing many intimate details of the poet's marriage. It 
is doubtful, in fact, whether Shade ever meant to publish it.

Undeterred, Botkin absconded with the manuscript to a motel room in a 
mountain town in the far west where he proceeded to write a long series 
of notes to the poem in which, taking off from a phrase here and a word 
there in Shade's poem, he detailed his "Zembla" fantasy. He even 
managed to find an unscrupulous publisher. 

The resulting book -- Shade's poem "Pale Fire" together with Botkin's 
preface, table of contents, notes and index -- comprise the novel _Pale 
Fire_, by Vladimir Nabokov. It is an artifact of the fictional world of 
Nabokov's novel, created by two of Nabokov's characters, that has 
somehow escaped from the fictional world into our "real" world. With 
the possible exception of a copy of _Alice in Wonderland_ autographed 
by Alice Liddell herself that I once held in my hands, it is the 
strangest book I have ever seen in my life. 

It is also filled with puzzles and paradoxes. From something as simple 
as the location of New Wye (somewhere in the hills of western Virgnia, 
judging from the butterflies that fly there), to whether the kingdom of 
Zembla actually exists in the fictional world of the novel (apparently 
not -- only where did that little Zemblan translation of Timon of 
Athens come from?), to the identity and motives of Shade's murderer, 
nothing in _Pale Fire_ is easy or obvious. Things get so complicated, 
in fact, that you start to wonder if maybe Nabokov didn't outsmart 
himself in this one. I still don't know. I do know that _Pale Fire_ is 
a masterpiece that deserves all the praise it gets.


#103 of 224 by remmers on Thu Nov 6 19:40:44 2003:

Yep, I've verified it.  I'd been assuming that md was quoting from
a work of non-fiction.  Instead, it was from the fictitious diary
in Nabokov's _Pale Fire_ (which I haven't read, I'm ashamed to
confess).

Assuming that md certifies my guess as correct, I'll post a new
quote soon, hopefully later today.


#104 of 224 by remmers on Thu Nov 6 19:42:35 2003:

(Md's review in #102 slipped in.  Very interesting.  Now I'm motivated
to read the book.  I'll be posting a new quote soon.  Stay tuned.)


#105 of 224 by jep on Thu Nov 6 20:05:44 2003:

I did a WWW search on one of Mike's quotes, and got the name of 
Nabokov.  I assume you're not supposed to answer the quotes that way 
and so didn't answer it.  I'd never heard of Nabokov.


#106 of 224 by mcnally on Thu Nov 6 20:19:48 2003:

  re #105:  Quick!  Someone get md some smelling salts..


#107 of 224 by md on Thu Nov 6 20:30:30 2003:

Hey, I bet he's heard of _Lolita_.


#108 of 224 by flem on Thu Nov 6 20:35:10 2003:

Heh, I was contemplating guessing Nabokov based solely on the fact that
it was md posting.  :)


#109 of 224 by willcome on Thu Nov 6 20:52:51 2003:

Nabokov -- and md by default -- is a paedophile.


#110 of 224 by keesan on Thu Nov 6 23:38:29 2003:

Zembla sounds a lot like the Russian word for land/country (with a b thrown
in to make it easier for Americans to pronounce).


#111 of 224 by mcnally on Fri Nov 7 01:30:48 2003:

  Right..  It put me in mind of Novaya Zemla in the Arctic Ocean.


#112 of 224 by md on Fri Nov 7 02:16:39 2003:

"Nova Zembla" is what Botkin/Kinbote imagined the "extremists" called 
Zembla after they took it over.  It is most certainly a version of 
Novaya Zemlya.


#113 of 224 by remmers on Fri Nov 7 13:02:36 2003:

Okay, ready or not, here comes the next Mysterious Quote:

    Haven't you heard about the new truant officer?
    Nobody knows [who he is].  He wears disguises.  All
    the kids say he's so slick he can see around two
    corners.  Thirty kids played hooky from Bugmont
    School last week, and he caught every one of them.
    That's enough for me!



#114 of 224 by slynne on Fri Nov 7 22:54:39 2003:

Jim Carroll 


#115 of 224 by remmers on Fri Nov 7 23:28:45 2003:

Not Jim Carroll.


#116 of 224 by remmers on Sat Nov 8 14:26:37 2003:

Only one guess in twenty-four hours.  Okay, I'll give a hint and
another quote.

Hint:  This popular works of this prolific author, originally marketed
to children, later became widely admired by adults.

Next quote:

    Fox hunting!  Of all the asinine, stupid,
    crazy, *useless* sports in the world, fox
    hunting is the worst.  That's why I thought
    of you.  If there is any member of the [name
    omitted] family that is ideally suited for fox
    hunting, you're it!  His lordship is staging a
    mass fox hunt at his estate tomorrow.  I told
    him you'd be there to bring in the first fox.
    
(Note: The first quote is in resp:113)


#117 of 224 by remmers on Sat Nov 8 14:27:30 2003:

(Should've be "The popular works..." in the response above.)


#118 of 224 by slynne on Sat Nov 8 14:38:50 2003:

Judy Blume? haha. I know *that* one is a long shot!


#119 of 224 by remmers on Sat Nov 8 14:48:32 2003:

Not Judy Blume.  Our author's active period is somewhat earlier.


#120 of 224 by russ on Sat Nov 8 20:20:01 2003:

Sounds almost like a Jeeves and Bertie line.


#121 of 224 by remmers on Sat Nov 8 20:57:51 2003:

Hm, perhaps so.  But I notice that you're not going so far as to
guess explicitly that the author is P. G. Wodehouse.  Good thing
too, as you'd be wrong.  :)


#122 of 224 by aruba on Sun Nov 9 02:33:47 2003:

A.A. Milne?


#123 of 224 by russ on Sun Nov 9 02:42:49 2003:

I wasn't going to go for the gold, because I have no quote to offer
should I get it.  But guessing is fun anyway.


#124 of 224 by polygon on Sun Nov 9 04:20:16 2003:

I'm reading the quotes and thinking, but I don't have a guess yet.


#125 of 224 by remmers on Sun Nov 9 10:52:49 2003:

Not A.A. Milne.  Our author is American.

Here's another quote:

    I have startling news this evening, listeners.  News from
    the vast reaches of outer space.  Our latest satellite,
    orbiting the earth over two thousand miles out, has sent
    back the most amazing pictures ever seen.  It peeked
    around the edge of the moon from away out at the apogee
    of it's swing, and what do you think it saw?  Another
    moon!  Another moon that hides in the dark sky beyond
    our regular moon.  The moon is smaller than our regular
    moon, but -- oh brother! Is it rich!  It's not 
    a *silvery* moon -- it's a *golden* moon!  Scientists
    checked its spectrographs and verified that it is...
    TWENTY-FOUR CARAT SOLID GOLD!



#126 of 224 by slynne on Sun Nov 9 18:57:16 2003:

Isaac Asimov


#127 of 224 by remmers on Sun Nov 9 19:04:47 2003:

Interesting guess, but not Asimov.

Another hint:  The author's most creative period extended from the early
1940s to around 1960.

Another quote:

    Two thousand years ago, a Mayan ruler tossed his crown
    into a "well of sacrifice."

    "We must appease the angry gods.  They made the
    mountains rain fire on our city.  Perhaps our
    jewels and groceries will soothe them."

    But the gods stayed grumpy, and the great Mayan city
    slowly became a deserted ruin.  Soon no one could tell
    that a city once stood by the dark pool that had been
    a "well of sacrifice."



#128 of 224 by jep on Sun Nov 9 19:46:30 2003:

Steinbeck?


#129 of 224 by remmers on Sun Nov 9 20:18:16 2003:

Not Steinbeck.


#130 of 224 by polygon on Sun Nov 9 20:45:25 2003:

H. Allen Smith?


#131 of 224 by remmers on Sun Nov 9 22:15:31 2003:

Not H. Allen Smith.

I can't emphasize enough how popular this author's works were.  I've
been unsuccessful so far in tracking down sales figures, but I'd guess
that the original editions sold in the hundreds of thousands, perhaps
millions.  And this author turned out a *lot* of stuff.

Another hint:  The author is deceased.

Another quote:

    Ladywimmin an gints, I never expected to see this here
    gold agin, so I'm gonna do a right handsome thing with
    it!  I'm gonna spend the WHOLE MILLION for MORE PENICILLIN
    for these brave boys to fly to more sick Eskimos!



#132 of 224 by other on Sun Nov 9 22:24:03 2003:

L. Frank Baum


#133 of 224 by remmers on Sun Nov 9 22:26:50 2003:

Not Baum.  He died in 1919, long before penicillin and orbiting
satellites.


#134 of 224 by slynne on Sun Nov 9 23:42:45 2003:

Robert Heinlein 


#135 of 224 by remmers on Mon Nov 10 02:02:30 2003:

Not Heinlein.


#136 of 224 by md on Mon Nov 10 02:56:33 2003:

Fred Allen?


#137 of 224 by aruba on Mon Nov 10 04:36:34 2003:

Walt Kelly?


#138 of 224 by remmers on Mon Nov 10 11:45:12 2003:

Not Walt Kelly, but that's the best guess so far.  Work by Kelly
and our author originally appeared in some of the same publications.

Note the preoccupation with wealth, power, and far-flung locales in
several of the quotes so far.  Those are characteristic of this
author.

Two more quotes:

Quote #1:

    Night!  Mysterious figures rise from the center of the
    water hole.  The Raiders of No Issa!  Watertight covers
    are removed from guns.  Breechlocks click.  The raid is
    on!

Quote #2:

    "Turn southward, [name omitted]!  I've decided that I shall
    be the owner of North America! ...  I CAN OWN North America!
    This map and the helmet are my deed to the continent! ...
    I'll run the country for the benefit of the MUSEUMS!
    Everybody will have to go to a museum TWICE a day!"



#139 of 224 by polygon on Mon Nov 10 14:13:46 2003:

Hmmm, I had been thinking that this might be a cartoonist.


#140 of 224 by bhoward on Mon Nov 10 15:16:27 2003:

What, like Carl Barks?


#141 of 224 by remmers on Mon Nov 10 18:01:21 2003:

*Exactly* like Carl Barks.  Excellent!  We have a winner.

Carl Barks wrote and drew most of the "duck stories" (Donald
Duck and associated characters) that appeared in Walt Disney
comic books from the early 1940s until his retirement in 1965.
He created Scrooge McDuck, Gladstone Gander, the Junior
Woodchucks, and the Beagle Boys.

The quotes above are from Donald Duck and Scrooge McDuck stories
originally published from the late 1940s through the late 1950s
in ten-cent Walt Disney comic books.  They range in length from
ten-page Donald Duck stories in Walt Disney's Comics and Stories
magazine to longer adventure pieces with titles like "Crown of
the Mayas" and "The Golden Helmet" in the Donald Duck and Uncle
Scrooge magazines.

In my opinion, althought his name is not as well known,  Barks'
artistic and narrative abilites were comparable to those of Walt
Kelly, who also worked for Disney as an animator (Kelly's name
is in the "Dumbo" credits) and comic book illustrator during
the 1940s.

Kelly broke free of Disney with his "Pogo" character, first in
comic book form, then as the classic newspaper strip.  At that
point, he got to sign his work, and his name became known to
the public at large.  Barks, by contrast, remained in the Disney
stable and thus had to work anonymously - artists and writers for
Disney comic books didn't get to claim any credit for their work
in those days.  As a result, he developed a large collection of
fans who loved his stuff and recognized it as distinctly superior
to that of other cartoonists writing and drawing duck stories,
but who had no idea who he was and who referred to him simply as
"the good artist".

Soon before or after Barks' retirement from Disney, some
persistent fans managed to uncover his identity.  After that
he became a frequent guest at comic book conventions, his duck
stories were reprinted and anthologized, and the original comic
books containing his work became valuable collectors items (a
mint-condition copy of a 1940s comic book containing a Barks
story would probably sell for thousands of dollars today).
In his later years he turned out a series of oil "duck paintings"
based on the original stories that themselves are now collectors
items commanding high prices.  A few years ago, when he was in
his 90s, he was guest of honor at an elaborate celebration of
his work at one of the Disney theme parks.  Belated, but much
deserved, recognition.  Barks died in 2000 at the age of 99.

Barks' stories do tend to exhibit adherence to a formula -
typically some sort of adventure in an exotic land and involving
a long lost treasure.  In his later years, Barks remarked that
if he'd known that there would be any kind of long term interest
in his work, he'd have put more effort into varying his plots.

Okay.  Bhoward guessed it, so he's up for the next quote.


#142 of 224 by mcnally on Mon Nov 10 18:38:24 2003:

  But who, I wonder, was the creative force behind
  "Donald in Mathemagic-Land"?  (hmm.  Google to the
  rescue again..)


#143 of 224 by remmers on Mon Nov 10 18:45:18 2003:

Dunno, but probably not Barks.  Doesn't seem like his style.


#144 of 224 by mynxcat on Mon Nov 10 22:50:15 2003:

Donald in Mathemagic Land was one of my favoriets.


#145 of 224 by bhoward on Wed Nov 12 00:06:33 2003:

No fair, Lawrence tricked me into blurting that out :-)

Excuse me while I rummage for an interesting quote.
Unfortunately, I'm at work so you'll just have to wait until
(your) tomorrow morning.


#146 of 224 by polygon on Thu Nov 20 06:29:18 2003:

It's been a week of tomorrows, and no quote yet, so into the breach
again....

 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


    Death before forty's no bar. Lo!
      These had accomplished their feats:
    Chatterton, Burns, and Kit Marlowe,
      Byron and Shelley and Keats.

    Death, the eventual censor,
      Lays for the forties, and so
    Took off Jane Austen and Spenser,
      Stevenson, Hood, and poor Poe.

    You'll leave a better-lined wallet
      By reaching the end of your rope
    After fifty, like Shakespeare and Smollett,
      Thackeray, Dickens, and Pope.

    Try for the sixties--but say, boy.
      That's when the tombstones were built on
    Butler and Sheridan, the play boy
      Arnold and Coleridge and Milton.

    Three score and ten--the tides rippling
      Over the bar; slip the hawser.
    Godspeed to Clemens and Kipling,
      Swinburne and Browning and Chaucer.

    Some staved the debt off but paid it
      At eighty--that's after the law.
    Wordsworth and Tennyson made it,
      And Meredith, Hardy, and Shaw.

    But Death, while you make up your quota
      Please note this confession of candor--
    That I wouldn't give an iota
      To linger till ninety, like Landor.


#147 of 224 by bhoward on Thu Nov 20 10:02:27 2003:

(thanks polygon...I've been a bit distracted this week
preparing for a trip back to the states)


#148 of 224 by remmers on Thu Nov 20 11:43:49 2003:

Hm....

Shaw died in 1950, so the quote has to postdate that.  So we're talking
about a latter-20th-century author who wrote at least some humorous
verse.

Odgen Nash comes to mind, but it doesn't sound much like Nash.  It scans
too well.

Wild (and probably wrong) guess:  Richard Wilbur.


#149 of 224 by remmers on Thu Nov 20 14:29:59 2003:

(By the way, I assume that the "Landor" referenced in the quote is
Walter Savage Landor.  His dates were 1775-1864, so it looks like he
didn't quite make it to ninety, contrary to what the quote says.)


#150 of 224 by polygon on Thu Nov 20 15:48:13 2003:

Not Ogden Nash.  Not Richard Wilbur.  But yes, an American.


#151 of 224 by polygon on Thu Nov 20 15:50:34 2003:

And unlike Landor, the author of the quoted lines did not live to ripe
age.


#152 of 224 by polygon on Thu Nov 20 15:56:08 2003:

And oh -- an understandable error.  Apparently George Bernard Shaw was
living when this was written.  The poem predates 1950.


#153 of 224 by remmers on Thu Nov 20 16:29:16 2003:

Hm, the poem's misleading then, as it implies that Shaw had already
"paid the debt", which I took to mean had "passed on".  Shaw was born
in 1856, so if he was in his 80s when the poem was written, that would
put the date no earlier than the mid-1930s.  If it's also pre-1950,
that narrows it down to a span of no more than 14 or 15 years.

Okay, an American author active in the 1930s and/or 1940s.  I'll
ponder some more...


#154 of 224 by md on Thu Nov 20 18:53:30 2003:

Reminds me of Samuel Hoffenstein.


#155 of 224 by twenex on Thu Nov 20 21:15:47 2003:

I'm not clear whether it's clear that George Bernard Shaw was Irish, not
American...


#156 of 224 by remmers on Thu Nov 20 21:59:56 2003:

It's clear to me.  But polygon said that the author (who is not Shaw)
is American.


#157 of 224 by twenex on Thu Nov 20 22:29:38 2003:

Ah.
Point.


#158 of 224 by polygon on Fri Nov 21 14:58:42 2003:

Re 153.  Yes, the poem was first published when Shaw was in his 80s.

Re 154.  Not Samuel Hoffenstein.

Re 155-57.  Not George Bernard Shaw.

The author's most famous work (and it is very famous) is in prose, not
poetry.  I did not realize the author was also a published poet until I
found this poem.  A Google search found references to other poetry.


#159 of 224 by slynne on Sat Nov 22 03:18:08 2003:

Fitzgerald?


#160 of 224 by polygon on Sun Nov 23 04:50:47 2003:

Re 159.  Bingo!  F. Scott Fitzgerald is the author.  The poem was first
published in The New Yorker in 1937.  Fitzgerald himself died in his 40s.

Though refereces to the title ("Obit on Parnassus") can be found in
Google, the text of the poem does not appear to be online.


#161 of 224 by remmers on Sun Nov 23 14:30:18 2003:

Interesting.  I didn't know that Fitzgerald was a poet either.


#162 of 224 by rcurl on Sun Nov 23 17:53:22 2003:

There are only sixty or so Fitzgerald poems - how could you know? 
http://libweb.princeton.edu/libraries/firestone/rbsc/aids/fitzgerald/


#163 of 224 by slynne on Sun Nov 23 20:43:49 2003:

Heh. That was a total lucky guess. I didnt realize that Fitzgerald was 
a poet either. Go figure. 

I have a really cool quote but I am not at home (where the book is) so 
I'll have to enter it later. 


#164 of 224 by happyboy on Sun Nov 23 20:53:40 2003:

heck, just paraphrase it!


#165 of 224 by mcnally on Sun Nov 23 23:46:49 2003:

  That'd make it harder to google..


#166 of 224 by happyboy on Mon Nov 24 01:48:08 2003:

see?!


#167 of 224 by slynne on Tue Nov 25 02:52:18 2003:

Ok, here is my quote...

"We all four of us been workin together, day in and day out   for , oh 
lord, I don t know how long. We done raised crops and chilren together, 
done kept that brick house so clean you could eat off the floors. But 
like Letta always says, who wanna eat off a floor?
        You think somebody gonna throw us a party for getting through 
all this? No sir. You don t get no trophies for liven the life you born 
into. It just be your job, and you lucky if you can do the work set out 
in front of you and not fret if it seem puny. Maybe the Good Lord ain t 
give us nothing but puny things. Little bitta things sparklin through 
our days and nights. In the fields and in the mornin air, little bitta 
things that if you blink your eye, they be gone and ain t never comin 
back."


#168 of 224 by other on Tue Nov 25 03:21:15 2003:

Toni Morrison


#169 of 224 by slynne on Tue Nov 25 03:53:21 2003:

Not Toni Morrison


#170 of 224 by jep on Tue Nov 25 04:28:37 2003:

Langston Hughes.


#171 of 224 by mcnally on Tue Nov 25 04:44:32 2003:

  Zora Neale Hurston?


#172 of 224 by happyboy on Tue Nov 25 05:42:05 2003:

al jolson?


#173 of 224 by aruba on Tue Nov 25 07:46:19 2003:

Mark Twain?


#174 of 224 by polygon on Tue Nov 25 07:55:02 2003:

John Steinbeck?


#175 of 224 by happyboy on Tue Nov 25 08:16:33 2003:

fred mertz?


#176 of 224 by remmers on Tue Nov 25 11:41:46 2003:

Sounds like it could be from _The Color Purple_, so I'll guess Alice
Walker.


#177 of 224 by slynne on Tue Nov 25 15:53:29 2003:

Nope. None of the above. 

First Hint: This book was published within the last 10 years.


#178 of 224 by happyboy on Tue Nov 25 16:46:05 2003:

fred mertz posthumous?


#179 of 224 by mynxcat on Tue Nov 25 17:44:58 2003:

"The Wind Done Gone" - Alice Randall?


#180 of 224 by remmers on Tue Nov 25 18:51:34 2003:

(Mynxcat might just have it...)


#181 of 224 by slynne on Wed Nov 26 01:17:52 2003:

Nope.

Second Hint: A different book by the same author recently was made into 
a movie. 


#182 of 224 by willcome on Thu Nov 27 08:08:30 2003:

whore.


#183 of 224 by slynne on Mon Dec 1 14:32:40 2003:

Ok, here is a different quote from the same author:

"She stared at the phone. Her relationship with her mother had never 
been smooth, but this latest episode was disastrous. For the umpteenth 
time that week, [name deleted] punched the number of her parents  home 
at Pecan Grove. For the first time, she actually let it ring through."


#184 of 224 by remmers on Mon Dec 1 14:58:17 2003:

My guess is that it's an American author, probably female.  Nonetheless
I'll make a wild guess at a British author:  Helen Fielding.


#185 of 224 by slynne on Mon Dec 1 16:14:24 2003:

It is a female American author. Thus, it isnt Helen Fielding. 


#186 of 224 by remmers on Mon Dec 1 19:40:45 2003:

Okay, guess I get partial credit on that one.
<remmers ponders further>


#187 of 224 by bhoward on Tue Dec 2 03:35:26 2003:

I'll answer on condition that I don't have to guess the next quote
(final exam is in a week and a half and no time to research a fun quote
until after I pass (or otherwise!))

Given the movie hint, my money is on Rebecca Wells.


#188 of 224 by polygon on Tue Dec 2 05:38:30 2003:

Ann Tyler.


#189 of 224 by remmers on Tue Dec 2 11:52:49 2003:

Hm...  There have been some movies based on Ann Tyler novels, but I
can't think of a recent one.


#190 of 224 by slynne on Tue Dec 2 15:37:44 2003:

It's Rebecca Wells! The first quote I gave was from _Little Alters 
Everywhere_ and the second was from _Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya 
Sisterhood_  

Bruce wins. But since he doesnt want to give the next quote, I guess it 
is open to anyone :) 


#191 of 224 by polygon on Tue Dec 2 17:37:57 2003:

THE LAWYERS, Bob, know too much.
They are chums of the books of old John Marshall.
They know it all, what a dead hand Wrote,
A stiff dead hand and its knuckles crumbling,
The bones of the fingers a thin white ash.
    The lawyers know
      a dead man's thoughts too well.

In the heels of the higgling lawyers, Bob,
Too many slippery ifs and buts and howevers,
Too much hereinbefore provided whereas,
Too many doors to go in and out of.

    When the lawyers are through
    What is there left, Bob?
    Can a mouse nibble at it
    And find enough to fasten a tooth in?

    Why is there always a secret singing
    When a lawyer cashes in?
    Why does a hearse horse snicker
    Hauling a lawyer away?


#192 of 224 by remmers on Tue Dec 2 18:54:28 2003:

Darn - that style rings a bell...


#193 of 224 by aruba on Tue Dec 2 19:08:50 2003:

Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.?


#194 of 224 by slynne on Tue Dec 2 20:43:07 2003:

Kipling?


#195 of 224 by polygon on Tue Dec 2 21:59:29 2003:

Re 194. Not Kipling.

Re 193. Not Holmes.

Re 192. Not Bell.


#196 of 224 by bhoward on Tue Dec 2 22:23:29 2003:

(polygon comes to my rescue once again...thanks!)


#197 of 224 by remmers on Tue Dec 2 23:35:05 2003:

The cynicism level in the quote suggests Ambrose Bierce.


#198 of 224 by polygon on Tue Dec 2 23:41:08 2003:

Re 196.  No problem.

RE 197.  Not Bierce.

But, yes indeedy, a dead white American male.


#199 of 224 by willcome on Wed Dec 3 02:13:46 2003:

Racist.


#200 of 224 by remmers on Wed Dec 3 12:14:51 2003:

Wild guess, probably wrong:  Don Marquis.


#201 of 224 by polygon on Wed Dec 3 18:36:19 2003:

Re 200.  Not Don Marquis.

Another brief excerpt coming.


#202 of 224 by polygon on Wed Dec 3 18:42:20 2003:

Hmm, this isn't the kind of excerpt I meant, but I can't resist:

"Slang is a language that rolls up its sleeves, spits on its hands
and goes to work."


#203 of 224 by md on Wed Dec 3 19:34:40 2003:

That's a very familiar quote.  Is it Mencken?


#204 of 224 by willcome on Wed Dec 3 19:51:26 2003:

IT's Pink Floyd.


#205 of 224 by dcat on Wed Dec 3 22:22:36 2003:

Ben Franklin?


#206 of 224 by polygon on Thu Dec 4 02:13:11 2003:

Re 203-205.  Not Mencken, Pink Floyd, or Ben Franklin.


#207 of 224 by polygon on Thu Dec 4 02:14:42 2003:

The quote in #202 was published in 1959.  The author was living at the
time.


#208 of 224 by polygon on Thu Dec 4 02:15:28 2003:

Er, um, I'm not actually looking at the source, but it was some time
in the 1950s anyway.


#209 of 224 by willcome on Thu Dec 4 03:54:17 2003:

I'll hedge my bets and say Pink Floyd.


#210 of 224 by remmers on Thu Dec 4 13:48:19 2003:

If Larry hadn't said that the author was male, I'd guess Dorthy
Parker.


#211 of 224 by remmers on Thu Dec 4 14:01:54 2003:

Something about these quotes reminds me of Ezra Pound.  So I'll guess
him.


#212 of 224 by slynne on Thu Dec 4 18:01:16 2003:

I think I need another hint. 


#213 of 224 by twenex on Thu Dec 4 18:03:40 2003:

Jack Kerouac?


#214 of 224 by remmers on Thu Dec 4 18:14:15 2003:

Actually, I've decided that this isn't Ezra Pound after all.  Can I
withdraw my guess?  (Just can't picture Pound calling anyone "Bob".
Nor complaining about paying attention to what dead people had to
say.)


#215 of 224 by willcome on Thu Dec 4 22:23:21 2003:

I say it's Pink Floyd.


#216 of 224 by polygon on Fri Dec 5 05:55:37 2003:

Not Dorothy Parker, Ezra Pound, or Jack Kerouac.

I'll post some of his prose soon.


#217 of 224 by polygon on Fri Dec 5 06:06:52 2003:

Okay, while I look for the book I have in mind, here's another poem by the
same author (after the dashed line below).

I am VERY surprised that nobody has guessed this one yet.  I left out the
final lines of the first poem because I thought it would be TOO obvious.

The following is a complete poem.

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Bricklayer Love

I thought of killing myself because I am only a bricklayer
      and you a woman who loves the man who runs a drug store.

I don't care like I used to; I lay bricks straighter than I
      used to and I sing slower handling the trowel afternoons.

When the sun is in my eyes and the ladders are shaky and the
      mortar boards go wrong, I think of you.


#218 of 224 by other on Fri Dec 5 06:13:08 2003:

Burroughs


#219 of 224 by polygon on Fri Dec 5 06:39:48 2003:

Re 218.  Not Burroughs.


#220 of 224 by happyboy on Fri Dec 5 06:54:22 2003:

shit...uh...frank o'hara?


#221 of 224 by polygon on Fri Dec 5 13:50:05 2003:

Re 220.  Not Frank O'Hara.


#222 of 224 by remmers on Tue Dec 9 10:31:13 2003:

Another quote then?  Or hint?  Please?


#223 of 224 by gelinas on Tue Dec 9 12:45:22 2003:

(Quotes so far from the current guest writer are in #191, #202 and #217.)


#224 of 224 by polygon on Tue Dec 9 14:50:30 2003:

Yes, yes, I'm trying to find a sample from the author's voluminous prose
works, none of which seem to be online.  I'll try to get one posted today.


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