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Item 66: Reel-to-reel tapes

Entered by polygon on Sun Oct 5 05:06:14 2003:

I have belatedly inherited a large quantity of reel-to-reel audio tapes
that belonged to my father.  Most of them were probably recorded in the
1960s and 1970s.  They presumably include a wide range of material of
interest to my father, including music, commentary, radio shows he
participated in, lectures, soundtracks of slide shows he made for his
courses, etc., etc.

These are the larger style tape reels about, oh, I'd say about eight
inches in diameter.  I don't have any equipment to play them, let alone
any way to transfer them to a more accessible medium.

Even with the right equipment, would a tape made forty years ago still be
playable today?  Presumably magnetic media degrades over time.

Any ideas or suggestions would be very much appreciated.
15 responses total.

#1 of 15 by other on Sun Oct 5 05:16:54 2003:

A couple of years ago, I used the original recording equipment to 
transfer reel-to-reel tape made staring in 1968 to mp3 format.  The tape 
device had an RCA or mini (I don't recall) out and my computer has a mini 
line level input.  The transfer was simple and effective.

Suggestions:  Avoid handling the actual tape media to the extent 
possible.  Look for evidence of brittleness of the tape substrate or 
flaking of the media from the substrate before playing.  

Contact small regional or university radio stations, small theatres, or 
recording studios to see if they have the equipment available for use, or 
post an iten wanted ad.


#2 of 15 by mdw on Sun Oct 5 06:22:25 2003:

If the tape is mylar, it's probably in fine shape, in which case you
shouldn't have any problems (in theory).  If it's cellulose acetate, it
has very likely gotten brittle, and it might be more difficult to
recover the audio.  Given sufficient patience, it may still be possible.
You might end up cutting and splicing the physical tape, copying it to
digital form, then using software to remove the splices.


#3 of 15 by tsty on Sun Oct 5 08:04:09 2003:

i have been doing an archive project exactly like this and it's
nearly done.
  
i would be happy to contribute my time and hardware to another
such project. please contact at you next avail opprotunity.
  
cheerrzz,ts


#4 of 15 by scott on Sun Oct 5 13:47:41 2003:

Send mail to goose (here on GRex) too.  He'san audio guy with a taste for old
tape equipment.


#5 of 15 by keesan on Sun Oct 5 17:03:54 2003:

Bring it in to Kiwanis electronics dept. Sat 9-12 am.  Usually there is at
least one working tape player.  We have donated tapes of this age there, and
they still played fine.  Bill (a grexer who volunteers there) likes to fix
the older equipment.  You could even buy a player and listen to the tapes at
home and then donate player and tapes if you don't want to keep them.  They
can resell the tapes for reuse.


#6 of 15 by gull on Sun Oct 5 21:21:16 2003:

Having experimented some with older videotape, my advice is to be
prepared to record the oldest tapes on their first playing.  The binding
agents that hold the iron oxide to the tape base can degrade with time
and cause the oxide to shed off when the tape is played, degrading it
quickly.  This makes heads dirty, too.  This would be less of a problem
with audiotape, of course, since it isn't helically scanned.


#7 of 15 by scott on Sun Oct 5 22:50:52 2003:

Luckily the older audio tapes are apparently last longer than newer stuff,
something to do with materials which later became expensive (Guitarist Deke
Dickerson said "whale oil", which sounds a bit unlikely).


#8 of 15 by goose on Mon Oct 6 02:11:02 2003:

Larry, I would love to talk to you about this project.  I suggest that you
do not attempt at playing any of these tapes until you have them examined by
a professional.  You certainly can destroy the information on these tapes if
they are not handled properly.  Until they can be examined keep them in a
moderate temperature, low humidity storage container. (those styrofoam coolers
with a few packets of dessicant then tapes shut are a good cheap method)

I would gladly volunteer my professional services, as I have a special
interest in analogue media as well as preservation and restoration.  

Scott, I had heard the sperm whale oil tale for several years, and believed
it too.  The tale is that starting in the early 70's the killing of sperm
whales was outlawed by international treaty, and sperm whale oil was an
integral part of the binder used by all the major tape mfgrs.  The various
mfgrs then each formulated their own replacement to varying success.  Some
30 years later the binders began breaking down (water was being absorbed by
the glue actually) resulting in "sticky shed syndrome"...anyway, I've spoken
to several friends who worked for a couple of the big tape mfgrs and they have
comepletely debunked the sperm whale oil story.  There were certainly problems
with the binders, and they are somewhat correctable if dealt with properly,
but it had nothing to do with whales.


#9 of 15 by jor on Mon Oct 6 22:08:23 2003:

        Back around '96 I borrowed quite decent reel to reel
        deck and transferred several r2r tapes I made
        circa 1968-74 onto cassette, with a very good cassette
        deck. 

        I was *astonished* at the quality.

        I originally recorded them on my grandmother's
        Wollensack, which evidently records at much higher
        fidelity than it plays back.

        I'm no pro. But I had the tapes in new boxes,
        spliced on new leader, washed my hands before
        handling the tapes, etc. etc.

        Hours of fun.


#10 of 15 by tsty on Tue Oct 7 07:04:04 2003:

.... lots of hours .. <heh-heh>


#11 of 15 by tpryan on Wed Oct 8 00:01:45 2003:

        I've also been doing plenty of audio transfering.  One in
progress right now.
        goose, how can this unemployed guy get into such gigs? and
get paid for it also?  tsty?

        I just had been webbing into a site on restoration.  High
grade professional audio restoration using a $2,500 software suite.
Something like $2 a minute.  kenr.com I think.

        Now, over 200 Dr. Demento shows moved from one media or another
to the PC and CDs (audio disks and .mp3 disks).


#12 of 15 by tsty on Thu Oct 9 07:49:02 2003:

i'm not getting paid - labouor of love adn respect. goose gets paid,
usually, he's deeeeep int the business.


#13 of 15 by goose on Fri Oct 10 01:51:16 2003:

Tim, now is actually a good time to do such things since the equipment and
software have gotten cheaper.  It does take years to develop the skills to
use the tools well however.  Specialization helps.  For restoration a lot of
folks seem to price based on the finished minute.  It makes some sense, and
I recently began charging some of my mastering clients by the project, rather
than based on time, so I can try things and work a little more leisurely.

I have much love and respect for the audio business, and feel blessed that
I have been able to make a living at it (at times).  I get to work so rarely
with analogue tape anymore that I'm geeked to help Larry with this project.


#14 of 15 by tsty on Sat Oct 11 04:29:04 2003:

yo wil be rewarded ...
,
po


#15 of 15 by willcome on Thu Nov 27 08:04:59 2003:

who
,,,
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