Grex Agora47 Conference

Item 50: The Sixteenth Napster Item

Entered by krj on Wed Oct 1 18:08:02 2003:

I'm still obsessive; this item is back.      
   
Napster the corporation has been destroyed, but the Napster paradigm
continues.  This is another quarterly installment in a series of weblog 
and discussion about the deconstruction of the music industry and 
other copyright industries, with side forays into 
"intellectual property, freedom of expression, electronic media, 
corporate control, and evolving technology," as polygon once 
phrased it.
   
Several years of back items are easily found in the music2 and music3
conferences, covering discussions all the way back to the initial
popularity of the MP3 format.
   
Linked between the Agora and Music conferences.
151 responses total.

#1 of 151 by krj on Wed Oct 1 18:12:07 2003:

Lies, damn lies, and statistics:   :)

http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/6895800.htm
"Music fans cut back on free file swapping"

Quote:
>> Kazaa usage has fallen 40 percent since the spring, when the
>> Recording Industry Association of America began suing students who ran
>> on-campus file-swapping networks. Kazaa, the most popular
>> file-swapping service, had 17.4 million U.S. unique visitors in March,
>> according to Nielsen//NetRatings, a consulting company that monitors
>> Web traffic. In August, Kazaa users had dropped to 10.4 million, and
>> the numbers are still falling. <<

Other commentators point out that the Neilsen numbers measure June
through August, when University students go home, and they report an
uptick in early September and steady traffic since then.

((What is Nielsen measuring, exactly?  Do Kazaa users have to check in
with the home site when they start the software?))

At Cnet's Download.com site: the number of Kazaa downloads for the
last four weeks, from memory:
2.7 million, 2.6 million, 2.4 million, 2.4 million.

That's a 10% falloff, but nothing as huge as Nielsen is claiming for
traffic to the central Kazaa site.

(I really gotta start logging that number.
Week ending Sept. 28:  2,424,272 downloads)


#2 of 151 by goose on Wed Oct 1 20:47:46 2003:

A teenager close ot me informed me the other day that he was done with Kazaa
becasue he had all the music he ever wanted now.  Then a couple days later
he went to t the music store and bought a couple brand new releases.

Odd behavior from a kid who has spent the last year and a half downloading
about 3000 songs.


#3 of 151 by mcnally on Wed Oct 1 20:57:51 2003:

  I think the saddest part of that is that "all the music he ever wanted"
  was only 3000 songs.


#4 of 151 by goose on Wed Oct 1 21:37:08 2003:

Yep.  But maybe I'm strange because I have a couple thousand records, a couple
thousand CDs, and several hundred cassettes...not to mention the 45s...boy
do I  have a lot of 45s....

Now that I read what I posted in #2, I wasn't trying to point out that after
he proclaimed he had all the music he wanted he then added to it by buying
new CD's, but rather it surprised me that even though he was an avid
downloader who at one point stated he'd never buy a CD again...he went out
and bought a CD by someone on the day it became available.

Can anyone understand 17 year olds, other than other 17 year olds? ;-)


#5 of 151 by tod on Wed Oct 1 22:47:40 2003:

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#6 of 151 by gull on Thu Oct 2 18:15:34 2003:

A decline in file trading is one way of measuring success for the RIAA.
 But it won't help them unless it's accompanied by an uptick in music sales.


#7 of 151 by krj on Thu Oct 2 21:02:58 2003:

CD sales have rocketed upwards since the lawsuits were filed.

Last night I stopped at a Borders to peek at Billboard, which carries
the weekly Soundscan CD sales numbers in their print edition.
 
The RIAA's 261 lawsuits were filed on September 8, and the Billboard
dated Sept. 27 contains sales data for the week ending Sept.14 -- not
quite one full week after the lawsuits hit the news.

Sales week ending Sept. 14:   10,239,000
Sales same week, 2002:         9,947,000

So, year-ago sales were up 2.9% for the week following the RIAA lawsuits.

Now, sales were up for the week ending Sept. 7, too, at
10,111,000; so sales were already running high before the
filing of the suits.
 
Today's USA Today reports that Big Music is on a roll.  I assume this 
story represents Soundscan data for the week ending Sept. 28.
 
Sales for the week are 12.5 million CDs, up 17% from the same week in
2002.  It's the third consecutive week of rising sales.  My guess,
from looking at the Billboard sales graphs last night, is that this
was the best week for Big Music sales in two years.

"The gains likely have more to do with all the hot arrivals than the
clampdown on the Internet's illegal music traders."  Outkast, Dave
Matthews, Limp Bizkit and R. Kelly lead the parade of happy sellers.
But there is nothing here to suggest that the RIAA's interests are
not being served by the lawsuits, and nothing to suggest that a mass
consumer boycott is looming.  

http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2003-10-01-music_x.htm


#8 of 151 by tpryan on Tue Oct 7 00:43:39 2003:

        I would agree that it more a function of who is releasing
CDs at this time this year compared to this time last year.
        Maybe the 17 year old is separating music that was always
there (before he became aware of it) and what is arriving in the
record store within his purchase power lifetime--it's his music.

/tpryan raises his hand as another with a good size 45, LP and 
CD collection.


#9 of 151 by goose on Tue Oct 7 15:04:26 2003:

Right, although his 'collection' is interesting.  I doubt there is anything
that is more than three years old in it.  Maybe a couple, but not many.  In
his world, and those of his friends, pre 2000 is "so old".  He's way into rap,
and while I love the early days of rap, I'm not so interested in the current
styles.  I cannot, at all, get him interested in the evolution of rap.  No
sense of history. ;-)


#10 of 151 by jaklumen on Wed Oct 8 01:04:03 2003:

There is a generation gap after all.


#11 of 151 by goose on Wed Oct 8 02:53:32 2003:

You're telling me. ;-)


#12 of 151 by krj on Thu Oct 9 21:56:49 2003:

From Monday's news:
 
I can't help it, this news item put a HUGE smile on my face.

About two weeks ago there was a surge of media publicity about the
new Sunn Comm anti-copy technology which BMG was going to start using
on its new CDs.  The first disc to contain this new copy-prevention
system was Anthony Hamilton's "Comin' Where I'm From."  I know
nothing about Mr. Hamilton or his music, I've never heard of him
before.  The CD was released in late September.

Monday's report, which originates with a Princeton
University graduate student, is that the system depends entirely on
loading a device driver which scrambles the sound from the CD audio
tracks.  It is trivial to defeat for Windows:  load the CD with the
shift key depressed to stop the CD from auto-execing, that's it.  Or,
select the given device driver (it's in the Princeton article, grab
it fast before it's suppressed as a DMCA violation) in Windows Device
Manager and unload it.

Or, find a friend with a Linux machine, or some other Unix variant,
or an older Mac.

Copies of the copy-protected tracks are reported to have been on
Kazaa within hours of album release.

"Please install this software which will stop you from using our CD-
Audio tracks on your computer.  Please do not uninstall this
software.  Thank you."  I wonder how much BMG paid Sunn Comm for this
technological wizardry?  :)  :)  :)

http://news.dmusic.com/article/8323
http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~jhalderm/cd3/



#13 of 151 by mcnally on Fri Oct 10 00:05:25 2003:

  i'm typing this response in all lower case because under the dmca
  my shift key is now an illegal copyright circumvention device and
  therefore illegal to sell or possess.

  :-o


#14 of 151 by scott on Fri Oct 10 01:17:02 2003:

you had to use the shift key to make the colon in your emoticon.  please
report to the riaa website to request your gps ankle bracelet.


#15 of 151 by other on Fri Oct 10 02:04:56 2003:

And of course, the follow-up expected since this shiftkey stuff first 
appeared: SunnComm is now threatening to pursue DMCA charges against the 
guy at Princeton.


#16 of 151 by krj on Fri Oct 10 02:37:22 2003:

It gets better.  Hoo boy, does it get better.
 
SunnComm wants felony DMCA charges against John Haldeman; besides telling 
everyone about the shift-key workaround, he removed the device driver 
which SunnComm's software planted on his computer.  ((Apparently you no 
longer have the right to manage the software installed on your computer,
or even to know about it.))
 
http://news.dmusic.com/article/8369
http://news.com.com/2100-1025-5089168.html?tag=nefd_hed

The Cnet story also reports that SunnComm wants to sue Haldeman for 
civil damages because his publication damanged their stock value.
SunnComm complains that Haldeman's analysis of the SunnComm copy-prevention
weaknesses is invalid because he did not know about all the goodies 
SunnComm has coming up:
 
Sunncomm CEO Jacobs said, "said the company was also exploring a civil 
suit based on damage to the company's reputation, since Halderman 
concluded that the technology was ineffective without knowing about 
future enhancements. 

"Future versions of the SunnComm software would include ways that the 
copy-protecting files would change their name on different computers, 
making them harder to find, Jacobs said. Moreover, the company will 
DISTRIBUTE THE TECHNOLOGY ALONG WITH THIRD-PARTY SOFTWARE, SO THAT IT
DOESN'T ALWAYS COME OFF A PROTECTED CD, he added."  ((emphasis KRJ))

Now stay with me:  we go sideways to another SunnComm press release 
from this week about another product: a technology which somehow users
would install on their computers which would prevent CD-Rs (copies)
from being further copied.
 
http://news.dmusic.com/article/8367
 
As I read that earlier, I could not for the life of me figure out how
SunnComm would get this installed on your PC.  The answer is in that 
quote above: it will be packaged in third party software which you will
be tricked or compelled to install.

-----

So, let me re-spell this out in clear, plain language.  I believe that
BMG, one of the five major labels controlling the RIAA, has
contracted with SunnComm to develop and deploy Windows device drivers
which consumers are to be compelled or tricked into installing on
their own machines, to cripple the machines' capabilities to
manipulate audio CDs.  SunnComm, and by extension BMG, argues that it
is a felony offense to discover what these software drivers are, and
to uninstall them from your own computer.

The plan is the forced crippling of every Windows machine, backed up 
by criminal sanctions if you try to undo it.



#17 of 151 by other on Fri Oct 10 03:31:46 2003:

I certainly hope that MS competitors and press people are able to put the 
pieces together the same way you did.


#18 of 151 by mcnally on Fri Oct 10 05:53:14 2003:

  re no. 14;  I could have cut-and-pasted a colon, and if you try to compel
  me to answer whether I used the shift key i'll invoke my 5th amendment
  right against self-incrimination.


#19 of 151 by gelinas on Fri Oct 10 06:34:05 2003:

I wonder how Microsoft will react to this?  'Twould seem that they would
consider these drivers part of the operating system, even more integral a part
than a web browser, and so might object to somebody wrecking them.


#20 of 151 by mdw on Fri Oct 10 09:37:12 2003:

Presumably MicroSoft won't "sign" such device drivers? Users today don't
care who signs the stuff they install, but microsoft has already
implemented stuff to allow users not to install "untrusted" software not
blessed by official, ie, microsoft, sources, at least not without a
dialogue box asking permissions.  Since Microsoft claims that only
"trusted" software has been tested and found not to break functionality,
this shouldn't be hard for them to discover.


#21 of 151 by scott on Fri Oct 10 13:35:36 2003:

Holy shit!  What happens if antivirus companies get into the act, since these
anti-copy drivers will essentially be Trojan horses?

Friends, we're definitely living in interesting times...


#22 of 151 by gull on Fri Oct 10 13:58:05 2003:

Re #19: It wouldn't shock me to see MS including this in one of their
service packs, actually.  For a price, of course...  The details will be
buried in the EULA, and the service pack will be one that also fixes
some critical security hole.

Re #21: Seeing as most antivirus software doesn't detect adware, I doubt
they'll be interested in detecting this, either.  Antivirus companies
tend to focus pretty exclusively on self-replicating code.


I can't wait for the fun when these drivers start causing conflicts with
other software.  Imagine the interesting tech support calls companies
will get.  Imagine them having to explain to their customers that the
software they sold them doesn't work because of a "stealth driver"
that's illegal to remove.

I'm also trying to imagine how I'm going to explain to my users why they
get an error about needing Administrator rights every time they put in
one of their music CDs.


#23 of 151 by mcnally on Fri Oct 10 16:08:41 2003:

 > I'm also trying to imagine how I'm going to explain to my users why they
 > get an error about needing Administrator rights every time they put in
 > one of their music CDs.

 Be careful that your explanation doesn't reveal any circumvention approaches
 or you'll be in hot water, mister..  We'll be watching you and the rest of
 your DMCA-and-freedom-hating friends.



#24 of 151 by mary on Fri Oct 10 21:53:54 2003:

I'm somewhat amazed by all the anger, astonishment, resentment, and
feelings of entitlement on the part of music buyers.  The record companies
(and artists) make this music.  It's theirs.  Nobody is forcing you to buy
it or listen to it.  If you think what they are doing is unfair or unjust
JUST STOP LISTENING TO AND BUYING THEIR MUSIC. 

Six months into a boycott and I bet the recording industry would clean
up its act.  But you guys are acting like junkies without a choice.


#25 of 151 by lynne on Fri Oct 10 23:28:42 2003:

re 24:  Not arguing with the boycott suggestion.  But the suggestion that we
could be required to have secret drivers that we're not supposed to know
about and be criminally prosecuted for uninstalling them is really disturbing.
Once this is ceded, how long before they start exploiting it in other ways?
I think this is a terrible precedent to set.  I'm a control freak; I won't
install anything that I don't actively need (in fact, I've uninstalled 
Outlook Express at least six time in the past month because I don't want
it on my computer).  
Hmmm.  In fact, I pretty much boycott the music industry by default because
I don't often buy any of their crap.  


#26 of 151 by gull on Sat Oct 11 00:02:20 2003:

Re #24: Part of the problem is they've so far refused to label which CDs
are copy protected.  I'd complain a lot less about it if there were
warning labels.  Also, SunnComm has suggested they will start
distributing this hidden driver with other, third-party software, so you
could end up getting it without ever buying a CD.  The idea of a hidden,
un-uninstallable piece of software that deliberately tries to interfere
with other software on the computer bothers me a lot.


SunnComm has backed off the lawsuit:
http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/archives/2003/10/10/news/8797.shtml
Their CEO says he decided there wouldn't be much benefit and he didn't
want to create a chilling effect for other researchers.  The threat to
find sneakier ways to do this is still there, though.



#27 of 151 by scott on Sat Oct 11 00:30:14 2003:

Re 24:  Mary, would you be OK with, say, the hospital deciding to routinely
put tracking chips into people during regular surgery, and telling staff they
couldn't talk about it?  That's a pretty drastic example, but it's pretty
similar to what SunnComm is pushing here.


#28 of 151 by dah on Sat Oct 11 01:16:30 2003:

If you don't like it, don't use the hospitals.


#29 of 151 by russ on Sat Oct 11 01:51:16 2003:

I see a big surge in popularity for Macs and Linux on the desktop.


#30 of 151 by slynne on Sat Oct 11 03:18:04 2003:

You know what. I have never downloaded any music ever. I have never 
even made copies of the cds I have bought except that I have copied a 
few songs to my hard drive so I can listen to them while playing games 
and stuff. And I am very disturbed about them secretly installing 
drivers onto my PC. One doesnt have to be a music thief to dislike what 
the record companies are doing. 


#31 of 151 by krj on Sat Oct 11 05:36:52 2003:

Some folks have been trying to get a boycott rolling; see 
http://www.boycott-riaa.com    .     They are getting no traction
so far, however, and in fact the last three weekly reports we have
on CD sales indicate a strong upward trend since the lawsuits were 
filed by the RIAA.
 
A new Harris poll reports that about 3/4ths of US teenagers believe 
file sharing should be legal, both uploading and downloading, 
and 80% of those surveyed have downloaded music within the last 
year.
 
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/031009/nyth137_1.html


#32 of 151 by mary on Sat Oct 11 13:07:51 2003:

Re: #27  We're not talking about a monopoly supplying
a necessary service, as some hospitals might be.  We're
talking about a service industry selling entertainment
products.  The consumers hold a lot of power here.  They
just seem more inclined to whine than take control
of the situation.

Again, six months with nobody buying music or going to 
concerts and they'd be looking for ways to win you back
instead of telling you how far to bend over.


#33 of 151 by mary on Sat Oct 11 13:13:00 2003:

Just out of curiousity, how much of their business
would have to tank before they'd take you seriously?
10% drop?  25% drop?

I'd bet even a small drop due to a boycott would 
get their attention and you'd see a change in attitude.


#34 of 151 by mary on Sat Oct 11 13:14:35 2003:

That's how curiosity is spelled pre-coffee.


#35 of 151 by scott on Sat Oct 11 13:37:35 2003:

They're suing their own customers... this is not a business which seems to
understand reality anymore.  


#36 of 151 by mary on Sat Oct 11 13:40:43 2003:

So teach 'em.


#37 of 151 by murph on Sat Oct 11 14:28:19 2003:

A big part of the problem, Mary, is that the record companies are fighting
a losing battle against people who are violating their (the record companies')
property rights, and that, in the course of this battle, the record companies
are trashing the property rights of all the law-abiding, non-stealing music
fans who just want to listen to the music on their iPod or make a mix-cd for
driving or listen to music on their computer.  Imagine if somebody sold you
a book and tried to force you to only read it while sitting at a kitchen
table.  This is an utterly ludicrous idea, and there's no way to enforce it.
So what the book company does is dust the books with cocaine and then have
the government kick in the doors of the book-buyers--looking for the drugs--so
that the book company can check and see whether you're reading on the couch,
or on the edge of your child's bed, or whereever.

Sure, a boycott might work (much more likely, the record companies would
ignore the claims that a boycott was in effect and announce that the drop in
sales was due to piracy, and, see?  they were *right* to take all of these
dastardly measures!), but the point is that we shouldn't have to boycott. 
If I buy a book, it's my right to read it where I want to.  If I buy a
cucumber, it's my right to eat it how I want to.  If I buy a cd, it's my right
to listen to it how I want to.  Sure, some people will xerox their bookx,
fileshare their music, and club people to death with their cucumbers, but this
doesn't give the book/cucumber/record seller the right to violate your privacy
and property rights.  They should save the criminal treatement for the
criminals.

Unfortunately, I don't know how to make that change come about.


#38 of 151 by krj on Sat Oct 11 15:10:54 2003:

Mary, do you think the Betamax case was wrongly decided?  To extend 
your argument to that case, the TV and movie companies make all 
that programming.  "It's theirs."  So, if they don't want consumers
recording it, why should home video recorders have been allowed on
the market?

(To repeat a couple of favorite points:  The US came within one 
Supreme Court vote of banning the VCR; the appeals court had ruled
in favor of the copyright holders.   The Supreme Court had to engage
in extremely creative lawmaking to arrive at the Betamax decision,
and even under that ruling, if you have an accumulation of 
videotape you have recorded, you are almost certainly a copyright 
infringer.) 


#39 of 151 by mary on Sat Oct 11 16:06:40 2003:

If a publisher sells you a book under contract that it only be only 
read in the kitchen then you're the stupid one for buying the book.  
Unless you only read in the kitchen, that is.

I understand that what they are trying to implement is bigger the 
disk you purchase, that it's a change to your own computer 
software.  What has me shaking my head is that despite this 
desperate and heavy handed behavior people are still supporting the 
industry financially.  That's a jones.

I suspect this will all shake-out in the courts.  What will help 
keep things open and free for the end user, help immensely, is if 
the users aren't making copies for friends and they are putting 
extreme pressure on the recording industry by means of not buying 
their products.  You have to cost them more money through a boycott  
than they are losing through piracy.  

(Mary senses lots of people thinking, "That's a lot of
 money.")  Yep.  I rest my case. ;-)


#40 of 151 by krj on Sat Oct 11 20:15:11 2003:

How would Big Music know what it was losing from a boycott, vs. what
it was losing through unauthorized copying?   
 
If you want to argue I'm a music junkie, I won't dispute it.  I have 
sworn off buying new CDs from Big Music, the five multinationals who
drive the RIAA; but as I mentioned earlier, it isn't that big a 
sacrifice, except in the classical music catalog.


#41 of 151 by polygon on Sat Oct 11 20:24:05 2003:

I can't help the boycott.  I haven't bought a new CD for myself in a
store for years.  And I don't download music either, other than
occasionally listening to Internet radio.

Yeah, it makes me furious that the RIAA wants to modify my computer
against my will, but I can't change their behavior by buying less
than zero of their stuff.


#42 of 151 by other on Sat Oct 11 20:55:25 2003:

The compromise solution might be to get those people who already have an 
effective boycott in place on their own to sign onto a public declaration 
of same so that the the RIAA is forced to face the fact that their 
decline in sales is due to their own tactics rather than filesharing.

Although I am at the very low end of music consumption, I have not bought 
a new CD in at least 10 years from any source other than the artists 
directly.


#43 of 151 by murph on Sat Oct 11 23:37:51 2003:

Nobody, on the other hand, has managed to show that the music industry is
losing any money from piracy whatsoever...If I had a choice between
downloading songs, buying cds, or going without, I'd spend the same amount
of money as if I didn't have the option of downloading songs.  Probably less.
Of the cds I have bought in the last year, a few of them were cds that I
already had all of the tracks on my computer--I bought the cds and keep them
lying around (and for playing in the car), but I wouldn't have bought them
if I hadn't already downloaded the music to know that I like it.  Many of my
friends act in a similar manner: download as test drive.  From op-ed pieces,
I get the feeling this is not limited to my social group.

Of course, with the exception of a very few artists, everything I buy is from
labels too small to be suing anybody...


#44 of 151 by russ on Sun Oct 12 01:06:59 2003:

Re #39:  Mary, publishers already tried that.  They sold books
under a "contract" which said that the book could not be re-sold.
These contracts were challenged, and the publishers lost.  From
this we got the fair-use doctrine and the "first sale" doctrine:
unless you are making INFRINGING COPIES the publisher cannot
tell you how to dispose of your copy, and even a certain amount
of copying (say, excerpts for comment, reviews or teaching) is
permitted under fair use.

You probably have no idea how much it would cost you to throw out the
doctrines of fair use and first sale, and while I wouldn't mind it
if you got to see first-hand I don't want to suffer the consequences
of what it would take to bring that about.


#45 of 151 by mary on Sun Oct 12 02:37:04 2003:

So it's probably a good idea I'm not asking for that, eh?

Just like I'm not asking for people who don't buy CDs to
stock up just so they can become part of a boycott and
make a difference.

What I am saying is do what you can to send a message to
the recording industry that their heavy handed tactics
aren't going to get them what they want - record sales.



#46 of 151 by slynne on Sun Oct 12 14:27:44 2003:

Well. I dont think a formal boycott is necessary for that. I mean, as 
more and more people get angry with the record industry, it will mean 
they will become receptive to other methods of promoting music. The 
technology exists now that just about anyone can record their own music 
and burn it onto CD's for cheap. They just dont have the means for 
promoting their music. But as soon as someone figures out a way, I 
predict that the up and comings in the music biz will stop signing with 
major labels. 

The recorded music business will be around for as long as people like 
music but the record label business might just be on the way out in no 
small part because they are alienating their customers. Heck. I dont 
even care all that much about napster or file sharing or whatever 
because I dont do it but I think the major labels are evil and if I 
could get the music I want without giving them money or stealing, well 
I am all about that. 


#47 of 151 by scott on Sun Oct 12 17:52:47 2003:

I'm not somebody who feels "entitled" to free music.  What I'm pissed about
is that the industry seems to be intent on destroying itself.


#48 of 151 by slynne on Sun Oct 12 18:35:04 2003:

Really? I think it will be great if the industry destroys itself. 


#49 of 151 by krj on Sun Oct 12 19:46:40 2003:

NYTimes has a good, lengthy article on the authorize online 
music services groping for price points; the various pressures 
involved, and the fears of Big Music that authorized online 
sales will put still more downard pressure on CD sales.

At the end, there's a statement that Big Music is still pinning
its hopes on a magic bullet to end CD copying.   Denial, denial,
denial still seems to be the order of the day with Big Music.

Only a little mention at the end is given to consumer resistance 
to the DRM issues:

Quote:

>> "But for the time being, record executives are still seeking to 
  protect the more reliable, more lucrative CD business, which 
  currently accounts for almost all of its revenue. After all, 
  some say, antipiracy, anticopying technology may be available 
  within the year.

  "If that happens, the industry is likely to back away from the 
  kind of pricing innovations with which it is now experimenting. 
  Already, a strain is evident between record labels that want to 
  restrict what consumers can do with the music they buy and the 
  new on-line retailers, which argue that people won't use their 
  services if they can't use it freely.

  "This isn't going to work if people don't feel like they own 
  the music," said a senior executive at one of the new services, 
  who declined to be identified because of continuing negotiations 
  with the labels. "Doesn't someone over there realize that? 
  Why should people pay for it if it's not more convenient -- 
  when they can just get it for free?"  

>> endquote <<

"What Price Music?"
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/12/arts/music/12HARM.html


#50 of 151 by gull on Mon Oct 13 00:45:26 2003:

Re #39: It seems to me that so far the trend has been that the more CD 
sales drop, the more traction the RIAA members have to get Congress to 
restrict what people can do with their own computers.  A boycott could 
be counterproductive by inspiring yet more legislation.

Re #49: I think it's fundamentally impossible to have effective 
copy-protection on CDs while still supporting existing CD players.  The 
format was designed to be simple to play, and security wasn't even a 
remote consideration.  Any halfway-effective copy protection scheme will 
require a new format.


#51 of 151 by jep on Mon Oct 13 01:02:14 2003:

I do download some music.  I downloaded "Big Bad John" because I was 
trying to find out who sang it.  I saw it when I downloaded Johnny 
Cash's "One Piece At A Time", which my son heard.  I hadn't heard that 
one since I was a kid and I figured I could get it without much 
trouble.

I was not going to hop in the car and go to the local record store to 
see if I could find either of these songs.  I don't feel "entitled" to 
copy these songs over the Internet, but I cannot for the life of me 
see how it's going to hurt any musicians that I downloaded them.  I 
don't see how it's going to hurt anyone. 

Let's see.  Two weeks earlier I downloaded "Mother's Little Helper".  
In September I became curious to see if I liked Jethro Tull any more 
than I did when I was younger.  (I don't.)  That one might have cost 
someone some money some day.  I might have gone out and bought a 
Jethro Tull tape or CD if I saw one at a rummage sale, and now I won't.

In August I downloaded "Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah", the night before 
my kid was going to camp.

But okay.  It was a crime each time I downloaded these songs.  I'll 
feel bad if I get arrested.


#52 of 151 by russ on Mon Oct 13 02:01:19 2003:

I've been spending some time investigating record labels which
are not RIAA members and encourage try-before-you-buy downloads.
So far I've pulled 3 albums from Magnatunes.com.  I haven't had
time to listen to them, but if I like them, I'll buy the CDs.
I'll probably burn MP3 tracks for friends who don't have fast
connections and wouldn't spend the time to check them out otherwise.

Music will be fine even if the RIAA's members drive off a cliff.


#53 of 151 by dah on Mon Oct 13 05:31:20 2003:

Am I the only one who think John Ellis Perry's name is archetypical of an 80s
rocker?


#54 of 151 by jep on Mon Oct 13 13:08:07 2003:

Nuts.  I thought I'd put all of that behind me.  I don't perform any more,
and am not interested in re-iterating any of that now.  It's over with.
Thank you for respecting my need to move on with the new direction of my
life.


#55 of 151 by mcnally on Mon Oct 13 16:22:22 2003:

 Will there be much Grex footage in the "John Ellis Perry -- Behind the Music"
 special?  (And if so, will it be part of your downfall or redemption?)


#56 of 151 by orinoco on Tue Oct 14 17:02:16 2003:

(I guess between Grex and heroin, I'd choose Grex...)


#57 of 151 by jep on Tue Oct 14 19:43:47 2003:

re resp:55: It's unauthorized.  I don't know anything about the 
details.  My former publicist is not allowed to tell anything he knows 
about my private life as part of his severance package.  I have no 
comment on the rest of it.


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#59 of 151 by slynne on Tue Oct 14 20:58:41 2003:

Re#51 - technically you probably didnt hurt the band. For any song 
there are a certain number of people who will buy it at every price. 
For example, lets just say that at $20 there are 1000 people who will 
buy the song. And at $10, there are 2000 people who will buy it. And 
just suppose that if the price were $0, there would be 5000 people who 
would be willing to get this song. If the price of the song is $20, it 
doesnt really hurt the artist if the 4000 people who might want it but 
arent willing to pay that price download it or whatever. In fact, there 
might even be some benefit to the artist if that happens. The problem 
is that there isnt an easy way to get the song to the folks who might 
be interested in it for free while still getting the people willing to 
pay for it to pay for it. So, it being available for free is what is 
hurting the artist. 


#60 of 151 by tpryan on Tue Oct 14 22:11:20 2003:

        One thing is, they could not find a way to stop taping, either.


#61 of 151 by lynne on Wed Oct 15 00:01:47 2003:

Ah, the good old days when all my mix tapes were created by taping songs
off the radio.  It didn't hurt sales any--I couldn't have afforded to
buy any of the albums.


#62 of 151 by krj on Thu Oct 16 16:37:31 2003:

An item I just found in
Stereophile reminded me that hardly anyone has noticed that Big Music
is facing a format war which might be as messy as Betamax vs. VHS.

   http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?1750

The article is about the National Association of Record Merchants --
the trade group for the retailers -- bracing its members for being on
the front lines of consumer discontent as Big Music rolls out more
CDs with the SunnComm "copy-discouraging" technology.

In particular:
The Apple iPod holds a 25% market share in the portable MP3 player
market, or some number like that.  But, you cannot use SunnComm
protected CDs to feed your iPod!!   For authorized use, SunnComm-
plagued CDs only deliver Windows Media WMA files, which the iPod
doesn't play.

Similarly, Napster 2.0 only delivers WMA.  If you've got an iPod,
Napster doesn't want you as a customer.

So we're set for a Windows Media vs. Apple AAC format battle, and a
lot of users may just sit this one out and contine to download MP3
files.  Which wasn't Big Music's intent at all...


#63 of 151 by gull on Thu Oct 16 20:18:53 2003:

It's going to be hard to wean people off MP3s.  They're more flexible
than any of the alternatives, and have become a defacto standard.  The
experiences the movie industry had with Divx (the disc format, not the
more recent video encoding scheme) suggest that people don't like
time-limited, copy-protected media formats, either, and that they do
know the difference.


#64 of 151 by krj on Thu Oct 16 20:27:05 2003:

The Washington Post reports that the FCC is poised to impose 
requirements that consumer electronics, including computers, 
block the copying and transmission of digital TV and movie programming.
This is the "broadcast flag" proposal.  The article says a final rule
is expected at the end of August.
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32173-2003Oct15.html

The article contains no technical details, but such a rule seems to 
ready to clash drastically with Linux and the other free Unix versions,
and with the general ability of people to freely build computers out of
parts.


#65 of 151 by dbratman on Thu Oct 16 22:15:53 2003:

Mary's notion that, if we don't like the terms, we should just not buy 
the product, is more than a little naive.  What if we want the product?

Even more naive is her notion that falling sales should teach the music 
industry that their approach isn't working.  Hah!  So far it's only 
encouraged them to pursue their approach with greater vehemence.  Like 
Bush in Iraq, their belief is, "If you get in a hole, dig faster."


on the other hand -

slynne said, "I have copied a few songs to my hard drive so I can 
listen to them while playing games and stuff."

I don't even do that.  I have my stereo system next to my computer.  
(I've tried playing CDs on the computer.  It slows down whatever else 
I'm doing.)
 


#66 of 151 by vegetto on Fri Oct 17 09:52:59 2003:

I really think the RIAA should just bow to the inevitable and just give up
the fight which was lost before it began. I personally have over 200 CDs,and
they are all BACKED UP on mp3,so when one scratches I just chuck it and burn
another.Honestly how are you gonna sue muti-millions of people who
download,rip or otherwise copy music?NOT HAPPENING.They'd be smart to cut
their losses and stop rocking the boat,because they're the ones wearing cement
life-preservers.Besides,statistics show that 80% of people wo download music
BUY THE ALBUM IN QUESTION ANYWAY!!


#67 of 151 by krj on Fri Oct 17 19:40:54 2003:

Apple iTunes for Windows launched yesterday with much foofaraw.
If any kind reader tries it out, please bring us a report!!
(Same for Napster 2.0.)
 
Apple is launching a huge promotion at the Super Bowl with Pepsi;
Apple says it is going to give away 100 million free song downloads
as part of the promotion, and many of those giveways will be keyed
to Pepsi contest caps, where about 1 cap in 3 will win a download.
 
Also from today's New York Times coverage, which I read in the 
dead tree edition (thus no link):  the iPod is up to a 31% market
share in the portable MP3 player market.
(Recall what I wrote yesterday about BMG Sunn-Comm plagued CDs, and 
Napster 2.0, not interoperating with the iPod.)


#68 of 151 by tpryan on Tue Oct 21 20:04:36 2003:

        Meanwhile, at ConClave this past weekend, Steve Salaba 
presented Bill Higgins and later, Bill Roper each with a 78 rpm
record of their work.  Each cut on a machine that can make 78's
one at a time.  Even back when this machine was in use, it was
posible to make copies.  In this case, the input stream to the
78 cutter was his Ipod.


#69 of 151 by tod on Tue Oct 21 20:44:22 2003:

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#70 of 151 by mcnally on Tue Oct 21 20:51:46 2003:

  Since the iPod acts as a Firewire disk (if you choose to configure
  it to do so) I suppose you could "load" just about any computer file
  you want on one, but you wouldn't ordinarily "load" Napster or Kazaa
  onto your iPod.


#71 of 151 by tod on Tue Oct 21 20:59:52 2003:

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#72 of 151 by mcnally on Tue Oct 21 23:35:58 2003:

  I don't know where to begin picking apart that one, so I'm just going
  to assume you're trolling..


#73 of 151 by tod on Wed Oct 22 15:43:29 2003:

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#74 of 151 by krj on Wed Oct 22 18:10:36 2003:

There is a flood of items....
 
As lawmakers tear out their hair, crying "Why won't they stop?", 
adding jail to the list of penalties is the next step.
 
"UK to adopt EU copyright law"
http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml?type=internetNews&storyID=362934
4§ion=news
 
Quotes:
 
> "It could be interpreted under these new regulations that you are 
> now committing a criminal offence when you use Kazaa or other 
> (peer-to-peer) services," said Out-law.com Editor Struan Robertson 
> in a statement on the site, which is part of the law firm Masons.

> The law would also make illegal the circumvention of copy-protection 
> schemes, such as copying songs from a protected CD or watching a 
> DVD on a computer using the Linux operating system.

This is reported as a done deal, with the new penalties coming into force
shortly.  Penalty: two years in the pokey.

-----

Meanwhile, the European Union plans to ratchet up the pressure and 
throw more people in jail.  

"Europe's Antipiracy Proposal Draws Criticism"
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/20/business/worldbusiness/20lobby.html

Quotes:
> The proposal would go far beyond existing laws in Europe and the 
> United States by classifying copyright violations and patent 
> infringements, even some unwitting ones, as crimes punishable by 
> prison terms.

> Lawyers who have studied a draft of the proposed law say that not 
> only could a teenager who downloaded a music file be sent to jail 
> under it; so too could managers of the Internet service provider that 
> the teenager happened to use, whether they knew what the teenager 
> was doing or not. 

In an outstanding example of how we are now ruled by our corporate masters:
the draft rules originally applied only to for-profit copyright infringements.
However, wording to include file-sharing was inserted in the legislation
by THE WIFE OF THE CHAIRMAN OF VIVENDI, who own the world's largest 
record company.

Let me repeat that:  Draconian criminal copyright proposals are being 
dictated by the wife of a record company executive.

-----

Can't happen in America?    According to this report,
the "Free Trade Area of the Americas" treaty (FTAA) will require
all signatories, including the US, to make file sharing a felony.

The treaty also mandates law changes which greatly erode the scope
of fair use and user's rights to backup their own media.

An organization called IP Justice says the treaty implements the 
wishlist of the RIAA, the MPAA and Microsoft.

"International treaties will force 34 democracies to change copyright, 
IP laws."
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12219



#75 of 151 by krj on Wed Oct 22 18:37:31 2003:

Todd Rundgren speaks out in favor of file sharing and against the
record companies and lawsuits.  This may only be available TODAY at
the Hollywood Reporter:
 
http://hollywoodreporter.com/thr/music/feature_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=2
007230
 
The sidebar articles are also pretty good.



#76 of 151 by murph on Thu Oct 23 18:52:55 2003:

I've got an iBook, so I've been using iTunes for a long time; so far, most
of what I've heard about the Windows version has been good, except that it
won't work on Win98 and crashes Win2k if certain Win2k upgrades aren't
present. (google news says they just released an upgrade to fix that)

I've never bought anything from the store--anything that I want enough to buy,
either iTunes doesn't have (yet), or my girlfriend will have already bought.
And, since iTunes can share its library with other iTunes users on the local
subnet, I can play all of her music.

I'm interested to see how the iTunes Music Store AAC vs. Napster 2.0 WMA vs.
legacy hardware mp3 wars play out.  The iPod's market share is only growing
(and with good reason, too), which means iTMS will have a huge advantage over
Napster 2.  Unless, of course, Microsoft comes out with a piece of hardware
nicer than the iPod.  I suppose that since Steve Jobs has announced hell to
have frozen over, the snowball's chance that is MS producing decent hardware
is plausible.  Almost.


#77 of 151 by dbratman on Fri Oct 24 07:13:10 2003:

Once upon a time, the penalty for stealing a loaf of bread to feed a 
hungry family was death.  The latest rules are almost that stupid.

How's King Canute doing lately?


#78 of 151 by murph on Fri Oct 24 20:06:37 2003:

King Canute XCIII, last I heard, is on his way to death by saltwater
inhalation, just like every previous member of his ruling line...


#79 of 151 by krj on Mon Oct 27 14:13:53 2003:

Cary Sherman, president of the RIAA, is interviewed.  He says the 
RIAA lawsuits are working great; sales have been up for six weeks, 
relative to the year-ago numbers, and the public backlash predicted
by common wisdom simply hasn't materialized.
 
http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2003/10/26/qampa_cary_sherman
_riaa_president_on_battle_vs_file_swappers/


#80 of 151 by mcnally on Mon Oct 27 17:45:41 2003:

  Wow.  I wonder if he's being disingenuous or just phenomenally dense
  when he cites a six-week rise in sales over last year (one of the
  music industry's worst) as "proof" that the lawsuits are working?


#81 of 151 by krj on Mon Oct 27 19:02:58 2003:

From my looking at the Billboard reports of Soundscan's measures of sales,
the RIAA's Sherman is right on the mark.  I entered Soundscan's report 
of sales figures for the week immediately following the lawsuits in 
resp:7, and sales have continued up.  Here's the most recent stuff
I have, from Billboard dated October 25:

    current week     11,580,000
    same week 2002   10,654,000   up 8.7%

There's an accompanying text story.  This was the fifth straight week
that sales have been up relative to year-ago, and that hasn't
happened since 2001.  Industry execs prefer to stress the appeal of
the new releases, but say the lawsuits against file sharers are
helping a little bit.

The article says everyone expects sales to fall below the 2002 level
at the end of October, because October 2002 had a huge boost from an
Eminem release.

-----
The convention wisdom was that suing ordinary people would provoke a 
backlash.

There is no sign of outrage at Big Music spreading beyond Slashdot
readers, and the 460 people who have been/will be sued.   A telling 
example for me is the website http://downhillbattle.org, which is trying 
to raise money for legal expenses and settlement bills for those sued.
 
So far they have raised a whopping $1900; in terms of the net, that's 
pathetic.

Big Music has to be saying:  why didn't we sue individual file swappers
two or three years ago?



#82 of 151 by gull on Thu Oct 30 14:02:51 2003:

The Librarian of Congress has carved out some DMCA exemptions:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/33668.html

The exemptions cover:
- Censorware blacklists - researchers had asked for the right to extract
                          these without fear of DMCA prosecution
- Computer software protected by dongles that are obsolete or don't work
- Computer software protected by obsolete media
- E-books that stop blind or partially-sighted readers from turning on
  read-aloud or large-print options.


#83 of 151 by remmers on Thu Oct 30 15:44:30 2003:

(Geez, my ex-history professor sure has a lot of power...)


#84 of 151 by dbratman on Thu Oct 30 17:58:18 2003:

Yes, "ex-history" seems to be the right field of study for this subject.


#85 of 151 by krj on Fri Oct 31 05:02:33 2003:

The RIAA has filed 80 new lawsuits against alleged file swappers.
These people are from the list of 204 people who were warned by the 
RIAA in early October that they would be the next targets.  124 of 
that group have either settled, or are discussing settlements, 
with the RIAA.
 
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5099738.html
 
-----
 
BMG says they're happy with the SunnComm copy-restriction system
which installs drivers on the user's PC, and they plan to use the 
system on more releases.  BMG says that sales for the SunnComm-
infected disk, by Anthony Hamilton, fell less than expected in the 
weeks after release, indicated that people were burning fewer
copies of it.

"CD Experiment Shows Early Promise"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38052-2003Oct29.html


#86 of 151 by scott on Mon Nov 3 21:39:08 2003:

Downloading music is no different than beating up a little crippled girl,
selling her wheelchair for crack money, and then going back to rape her.

Well, that's a bit of an exaggeration, but I'm getting really fed up with
these piracy analogies.


#87 of 151 by tod on Mon Nov 3 22:41:23 2003:

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#88 of 151 by jaklumen on Tue Nov 4 03:54:28 2003:

Good analogies, actually. :>


#89 of 151 by vegetto on Wed Nov 5 03:26:55 2003:

re # 86-That is quite simply a matter of personal opinion scott.I'm guessing
you support the double-damned RIAA,huh?Shame on you!


#90 of 151 by krj on Wed Nov 5 03:51:22 2003:

Hi Dave, welcome to Grex!  Do have your irony detector brought in for
its periodic maintenance, OK?


#91 of 151 by krj on Thu Nov 6 22:26:16 2003:

The five major record companies are about to consolidate down to four,
or maybe three.
 
Sony and BMG (Bertelsmann) have signed a letter of intent to create
a new firm from their existing operations.
 
Meanwhile, EMI and (AOL) Time Warner are still negotiating
some sort of a merger, and in late news today EMI has bank
financing lined up.

It's unclear if regulators in the USA and EU would approve 
both deals.

Any consolidation would likely involve huge layoffs.

http://www.forbes.com/home_asia/newswire/2003/11/06/rtr1138376.html



#92 of 151 by mcnally on Thu Nov 6 22:34:21 2003:

  I just can't wait until they pass the savings on to us!


#93 of 151 by goose on Fri Nov 7 02:46:10 2003:

Why Mike, is that just a *hint* of sarcasm I detect?


#94 of 151 by gull on Fri Nov 7 14:12:35 2003:

The FCC has approved plans for a "broadcast flag" that will allow
broadcasters to block recording of digital TV transmissions.  All
digital TV devices made after July 1, 2005 will have to honor the flag.
 Why do I get the feeling this flag will be turned on most of the time?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/33807.html

You have to hand it to the media companies...it took them about 20 years
to figure out a way around their failure to get the VCR banned, but
eventually they did it.


#95 of 151 by gelinas on Fri Nov 7 15:15:12 2003:

Hmmm... The report I'd heard said that the flag would NOT prevent the
recipient of the broadcast making a copy for personal use.


#96 of 151 by tsty on Tue Nov 11 09:36:35 2003:

after translation to baseband video, noting is impossible. how silly of
a 'fix.' 
  
same with audio/cds ... once into audio format, notng is impossible.


#97 of 151 by gull on Tue Nov 11 21:13:32 2003:

The movie studios and record labels are now starting to talk about 
"closing the analog hole," so you can probably expect to see digital to 
analog conversion devices restricted as well.  It wouldn't surprise me 
to see no analog outputs at all on digital video devices in the future, 
since this would both benefit the studios by restricting copying *and* 
benefit the hardware manufacturers by forcing people to buy new digital 
equipment instead of using converter boxes with their old analog TV 
stuff.


#98 of 151 by tsty on Wed Nov 12 11:11:09 2003:

now *tha's* a fix.... NOT!


#99 of 151 by krj on Sat Nov 15 20:19:14 2003:

Cnet has bought what's left of mp3.com, which has been a source for 
independent and amateur musicians to distribute their recordings.
 
The site will shut down at the beginning of December, and Cnet 
plans to relaunch it as a music information site -- sounds like 
downloadable MP3 files will no longer be a part of the game plan.
 
http://news.com.com/2100-1027-5107696.html
 
There's an interesting story to be written about the rise and 
fall of MP3.com, one of the dot-com debacles which might have 
gone somewhere.


#100 of 151 by tpryan on Sat Nov 15 21:43:26 2003:

        Amazing how many artists signed onto mp3.com for 'take my
music--please'.


#101 of 151 by gull on Mon Nov 17 15:52:36 2003:

For a lot of artists it was probably the only realistic chance they had
at reaching an audience.


#102 of 151 by tsty on Tue Nov 18 06:51:23 2003:

democracy finally reigns!!


#103 of 151 by krj on Tue Nov 18 19:44:45 2003:

I have unconfirmed reports that SunnComm's Media Max product is on
the new Sarah McLachlan and Pink CDs.  This product will definitely
infect your Windows computer with drivers intended to mess up CD burning 
and MP3 ripping if you click on the EULA which comes up, and 
there are unconfirmed rumors that it will infect the PC even if you 
don't accept the EULA.   Behavior on Macs unknown.

<krj makes a note to figure out how to shut off "autorun" on Win2K.>


#104 of 151 by gull on Tue Nov 18 21:29:04 2003:

Part of the DMCA case brought against Skylink Technologies, a maker of
universal garage door remotes, has been dismissed.  A federal judge ruled
that the anti-circumvention provisions of the DMCA were not violated. 
However, the dismissal hinged on the fact that Chamberlain, the garage door
manufacturer, did not explicitly forbid using non-Chamberlain remotes on
their packaging.  Watch out for companies to start adding license
agreement-like text to their packaging, in the future.

There's an article at Security Focus that gives some interesting details
about how Skylink cracked Chamberlain's garage door opener codes:
http://www.securityfocus.com/news/7461


#105 of 151 by goose on Wed Nov 19 03:39:48 2003:

The DCMA must die.


#106 of 151 by other on Wed Nov 19 04:24:45 2003:

The DMCA, too.  ;)


#107 of 151 by goose on Thu Nov 20 11:19:07 2003:

taht too...;)


#108 of 151 by gull on Wed Nov 26 15:09:20 2003:

The RIAA and MPAA are seeking a permanent antitrust exemption, to avoid
lawsuits like the one filed against them in August by a group of
webcasters.  A bill sponsored by Orrin Hatch, the EnFORCE Act, would
give them just that.

"...the EnFORCE Act will expand an existing antitrust exemption to
conform the law to market realities. Today, an antitrust exemption in
the Copyright Act gives record companies and music publishers the
flexibility they need to negotiate mechanical royalty rates in the
rapidly evolving market for legal music downloading. These parties now
need the same flexibility to ensure that they can negotiate royalties
associated with innovative forms of physical phonorecords, like enhanced
compact disks and DVD audio disks." -- Orrin Hatch

Register article: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/34191.html
Orrin Hatch's speech: http://tinyurl.com/wn7r


#109 of 151 by mcnally on Wed Nov 26 17:20:58 2003:

  "physical phonorecords"?  how nice to know our laws are being written
  by legislators who are up to date on all the latest technology.
  23 skidoo!


#110 of 151 by twenex on Wed Nov 26 17:40:25 2003:

Blame it on the motor-car


#111 of 151 by other on Wed Nov 26 18:09:24 2003:

The phrase "physical phonorecord" is simply a term of precision.  It  
is not an archaic or outdated term, but one that clearly 
distinguishes tangible audio recording media from both intangible 
media and other types of recordings.  That said, Hatch is a dolt and 
a content-industry hack.


#112 of 151 by dbratman on Wed Dec 3 03:59:22 2003:

What Hatch isn't up on is the jargon of the field, by which CDs and 
anything beyond them are not "records".  I get rather tired of this 
conceit, myself.  I like to be able to say I'm going to the record 
store, and know that it'll be understood I'm referring to a place that 
sells mostly CDs.


#113 of 151 by twenex on Wed Dec 3 14:30:19 2003:

Strike a blow for common sense.


#114 of 151 by tpryan on Thu Dec 11 19:47:46 2003:

        Albums are still albums, despite the media.
        The original record album was 5 or 6 78s in sleeves, bound
into an album binding.


#115 of 151 by krj on Thu Dec 11 20:45:39 2003:

USA Today ran a group of stories about "The Death of the Album," as
an increasing number of music fans prefer to take single tracks
from either authorized or unauthorized download systems.  The 
financial implications for the industry are huge, but the USA Today
pieces also had lots of stuff from artists who were unhappy that
their songs were going to be consumed a la carte.
 
I'm seriously flirting with joining the a la carte party myself.
In a fit of rock guitar nostalgia I started listening to BBC Radio 6
last week, and about ten songs got stuck in my head.
I'm thinking of signing up with iTunes and spending maybe $10 to get the 
best single songs I heard, rather than spending $70 to get used album 
CDs or $180 to get the new album CDs.

Spending, say, $10/month to get a mix CD of rock songs every month seems 
rather appealing.  I'm gonna have to find out what percentage of the 
stuff I like is available through iTunes; it might not be too high.


#116 of 151 by gull on Fri Dec 12 15:39:38 2003:

For me it depends on the group.  Some I prefer to experience as
individual tracks, but some bands are better listened to in full album
form.  Pink Floyd is in the latter category for me.


#117 of 151 by twenex on Fri Dec 12 16:22:57 2003:

Yes.

(The affirmative word, not the band! I just realized I shut put that
in. ;-).

NP: Radiohead, High and Dry


#118 of 151 by gull on Fri Dec 12 16:54:55 2003:

The Register reports that the RIAA has hired Bradley Buckles, former
head of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, as their new head
of anti-piracy enforcement.
(http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/34445.html)

I wonder if this means the NRA will add the RIAA to their 17-page
enemies list? ;)  (http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=15)


#119 of 151 by krj on Fri Dec 12 22:03:08 2003:

Much of the stuff I saw about the RIAA hiring the head of the ATF
revolved around Waco metaphors, or else Prohibition, with the RIAA 
having hired their own G-Man.
 
-----

A copyright body in Canada handed down three interesting rulings:
 
1)  Unauthorized downloading of copyrighted music from the Internet 
    is not prohibited in Canadian law, though unauthorized uploading 
    is illegal.
 
2)  MP3-ish digital music players are to have a levy placed on them 
    based on memory/hard disk size, said levy to reimburse the copyright
    industry.  The levy tops out at Can$25 for a player with 20GB or more
    capacity.   1 to 10 GB players are $15.  Small machines are $2.

3)  It was proposed that the Canadians would levy a 49-cent (Can) charge
    per CD-R blank, essentially doubling the cost of blank media.  
    However, this proposal was rejected for now and will not be revisited
    until the end of 2004.   This charge, IIRC, was deemed unfair to 
    blank-media users who are not duplicating copyrighted music.

http://www.globetechnology.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20031212.gtlevydec12/BNS
tory/Technology/


#120 of 151 by krj on Thu Dec 18 06:52:14 2003:

Despite those rulings, however, the CRIA (Canadian Recording Industry
Association?) promises to start bringing file sharing lawsuits to 
Canada as soon as possible, and the IFPI (international trade group)
wants lawsuits against P2P users in Europe.
 
-----

Here's a highly entertaining piece of anti-RIAA propaganda:
 
http://www.whatacrappypresent.com


#121 of 151 by mcnally on Thu Dec 18 08:24:19 2003:

  interesting..


#122 of 151 by gull on Thu Dec 18 15:01:05 2003:

Sounds like Canada is getting the worst of both worlds.  Users have to
pay a mandatory royalty fee, then they get sued for copying files anyway.


#123 of 151 by mcnally on Thu Dec 18 18:49:37 2003:

  As long as the RIAA and their international analogs are the only ones
  lobbying heavily on these issues, we're all headed for the worst of
  both worlds..


#124 of 151 by goose on Fri Dec 19 21:03:21 2003:

http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/12/19/1611238

from the above link:
"My Way News is reporting that a Federal appeals court ruled that the RIAA
can't compel the ISP to provide the name of the downloaders in their case
against Verizon. In fact, the court said that one of the arguments the RIAA
used 'borders upon the silly.' I believe most here will agree that this is
great news."


#125 of 151 by mcnally on Fri Dec 19 23:02:30 2003:

  Since I'm working for a phone company / ISP these days, I'm particularly
  happy not to have to worry about being handed additional work by the RIAA.


#126 of 151 by dbratman on Sun Dec 21 05:48:12 2003:

An article in Salon recently claimed that some week in December 1969 
was the greatest week in rock history, as _Abbey Road_, Led Zeppelin's 
second album, CSN's first album, Santana's first album, and half a 
dozen other notable rock albums all charted in the top ten on the same 
week.

In claiming that something like that was unlikely to happen again, the 
author stated that it was easier to make the top ten in those days 
because albums in general sold many fewer copies than they do today.  
This struck my curiosity, because part of the argument in this topic is 
that record sales have been dropping.  I guess one should ask, compared 
to what standard?  Have sales been artificially high over the past 2-3 
decades, and a drop should not be so alarming?


#127 of 151 by mcnally on Sun Dec 21 06:54:49 2003:

  Perhaps in the current day we have fewer major-label record releases
  which are expected to sell many more copies apiece?  There's certainly
  less variety on the radio and I'd be pretty willing to believe there're
  fewer choices on record store shelves (assuming you can even find a real
  record store anymore..)  It wouldn't surprise me to learn that back when
  there were five times as many albums being released (to just make up 
  a number) an album only had to sell half as many copies (making up another
  number) to make the top ten..


#128 of 151 by orinoco on Sun Dec 21 20:23:32 2003:

I know I've heard that movies need to sell tickets more _quickly_ these days
than they used to.  I wouldn't be surprised if that was true of albums 
too -- I get the impression that records are expected to sell quickly and then
disappear, rather than stick around at a medium-high level of sales (the way,
say, "Dark Side of the Moon" or "Back in Black" have).  So that might account
for some of the difference in statistics too: even if overall record sales
are dropping, the expected first-week or first-month sales figures for a
successful album might be rising, the same way first-weekend ticket sales for
hit movies are still rising.


#129 of 151 by mcnally on Sun Dec 21 22:00:31 2003:

  Given the pay-for-play system that prevails on most commercial radio
  stations today, underperforming records probably aren't given time to
  become sleeper hits or build up a cult following.  Anything that isn't
  an immediate hit is probably considered too expensive to promote.


#130 of 151 by twenex on Sun Dec 21 22:06:16 2003:

Yer don't say...


#131 of 151 by keesan on Sun Dec 21 22:48:58 2003:

Who pays whom for play?  


#132 of 151 by mcnally on Mon Dec 22 00:23:58 2003:

  Record companies pay "independent promoters" to play their records.
  Promoters pay radio stations for control over their playlists. 
  As a result there's very little chance you'll hear a record played
  on commercial radio stations unless the record company has payed a
  promoter a considerable sum of money to have it aired.  Apparently,
  although the end effect of the system is not a great deal different
  than the "payola" practices made illegal in the 50s & 60s, it's not
  actually illegal because the record companies aren't paying the 
  radio stations or disc jockeys directly (not that most disc jockeys
  get to choose what they play anymore..)  

  I really don't pretend to understand the legal issues but the matter
  has been pretty well documented in recent years.


#133 of 151 by keesan on Mon Dec 22 00:43:44 2003:

Are record companies still trying to charge internet radio stations which want
to play their music?  In the early years of vinyl records they apparently
tried to make the radio stations pay them, until they realized it made money
for them if the station played their records.  


#134 of 151 by mcnally on Mon Dec 22 02:42:42 2003:

  I believe they are, though the license fee was significantly reduced.
  It's still a substantial burden on Internet radio, as far as I know.


#135 of 151 by keesan on Mon Dec 22 04:27:26 2003:

Considering the quality of internet radio, you would think anyone who listened
to a piece on it and liked it would want to go buy the CD instead of recording
from the internet.  And that the companies would therefore pay the stations.


#136 of 151 by remmers on Mon Dec 22 14:38:28 2003:

"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it."


#137 of 151 by tpryan on Mon Dec 22 15:02:32 2003:

        I thought an internet radio station that reaches less than 
100 (fixed by real capacity) is charged more per playing than a 
radio station that can reach 100,000 or more.


#138 of 151 by mcnally on Mon Dec 22 17:17:51 2003:

  To the best of my (admittedly limited) knowledge the radio station
  is charged nothing, so that's probably true.


#139 of 151 by goose on Mon Dec 22 18:05:34 2003:

Radio stations pay royalties to the groups such as ASCAP, BMI, SESAC, etc.
everytime they play one of the agencies songs.  It's how songwriters get
royalties.


#140 of 151 by mcnally on Mon Dec 22 18:21:57 2003:

  Hmmm..  I thought they didn't.  Guess I was mistaken.


#141 of 151 by gull on Tue Dec 23 14:53:56 2003:

There are two copyrights associated with any given track -- the
songwriter's copyright on the song, and the record company's copyright
on the performance.  Radio stations don't have to pay performance
royalties but they do have to pay songwriter royalties.


#142 of 151 by tpryan on Tue Dec 23 16:23:26 2003:

        And last I heard, it is an all-or-nothing license for BMI,
ASCAP, etc.  No partial payment for playing less than 10 percent
music, such as for talk stations.
        Which means that when a sports-talk station is playing
Gary Glitter's 'Rock & Roll', as a theme, there is a probability
that he is missing royalty payments on that.


#143 of 151 by tod on Tue Dec 23 16:43:49 2003:

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#144 of 151 by gull on Tue Dec 23 17:28:17 2003:

Re resp:142,resp:143: There are special rules for songs used as the
opening or closing themes for radio shows.  If less than a certain
percentage is used, half the normal royaly is owed *if* the song is used
as both the opening and closing theme.  If it's used for an opening or
closing, but not both, then no royalty is owed.  So The Pretenders don't
get anything out of Rush Limbaugh's broadcasts, for example, since he
only uses "My City Was Gone" as an opening theme.

I believe these licenses are also "compulsory", which means that as long
as a station pays the royalties they can't be refused the right to play
the song.


#145 of 151 by tod on Tue Dec 23 17:30:37 2003:

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#146 of 151 by gull on Tue Dec 23 17:38:35 2003:

"DVD Jon" Johansen, the author of the DeCSS DVD-decryption software, has
been acquitted (again) by a Norwegian court of appeals.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3341211.stm
No word yet on whether the verdict will be appealed.


#147 of 151 by tod on Tue Dec 23 17:41:16 2003:

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#148 of 151 by jaklumen on Sat Dec 27 10:02:27 2003:

But isn't that just it?  Greed?


#149 of 151 by twenex on Sat Dec 27 23:59:16 2003:

Yessir.


#150 of 151 by tod on Mon Dec 29 17:14:14 2003:

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#151 of 151 by jaklumen on Tue Dec 30 06:14:23 2003:

I tend to think it comes with the territory.


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