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Item 49: Help for grungy winter coats.

Entered by glenda on Wed Oct 1 17:15:51 2003:

It is getting to be that time of the year again.  It is getting cold and it
is time to pull out the winter coats.  Unfortunately our kitties got a little
too friendly with ours.  Any and all suggestions for dry cleaners that handle
down coats would be very much appreciated.  We asked at the laundrymat that
we use, but they don't do down.
48 responses total.

#1 of 48 by tod on Wed Oct 1 17:35:14 2003:

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#2 of 48 by edina on Wed Oct 1 17:59:26 2003:

I'd try one coat to see if it works.  I've had cat urine come out of clothees,
but never down.  With the way cat urine hangs around, it mystifies me why we
even develop biological weapons.


#3 of 48 by tod on Wed Oct 1 18:03:13 2003:

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#4 of 48 by edina on Wed Oct 1 18:11:54 2003:

Of my two cats, only one pees "inappropriately" - and that's when the litter
box wasn't up to snuff and she peed in my laundry basket.  Other than that,
it's golden.  


#5 of 48 by michaela on Wed Oct 1 18:59:15 2003:

Gomez hasn't peed anywhere but the litter box ever since I had him fixed back
in '98.


#6 of 48 by glenda on Wed Oct 1 20:09:00 2003:

I need recommendations for a dry cleaners, not whether cats pee in the litter
box or elsewhere.  I didn't even say that the cats peed on the coats, just
that they got friendly with them.  Our cats like to sleep on things that smell
like us.  This gets cat fur and, sometimes, hairball spit up on things.  We
do have a problem with the litter box not getting cleaned often enough (hard
to do with 6 cats and people with busy schedules).  As far as I can tell only
one of the 4 coats actually got peed on, the others were put down to close
to an unknown puddle by a human.  And the orange fur really shows up on a
black coat!  And if there is that much orange fur with one orange cat and one
with only a bit of orange, I don't even want to think how much fur there is
on the coat from the 3.5 black cats that doesn't show up without looking
closely.


#7 of 48 by keesan on Wed Oct 1 20:42:32 2003:

Down can easily be washed in a washing machine (unlike wool) and dried on a
line indoors (or maybe on a low-heat power dryer setting.)  Some people advise
putting in some sneakers in the washing machine to keep the down from balling
up.  You can separate the clumps of down by hand after washing (push the down
flat).  I have never heard of dry cleaning down.
Wool and silk need hand washing or they will shrink.  Feathers won't shrink.


#8 of 48 by slynne on Wed Oct 1 21:14:46 2003:

I have gotten the smell of cat piss out of a down comforter by washing 
it with a gallon of white vineger in the water. I washed it again 
without vinegar to get the vineger smell out of it. Wet down is very 
stinky all on its own. I dried it for almost an hour at a low setting 
and then put it in the sun for several hours. 

If you decide to wash these jackets just remember that down is very 
light when it is dry and VERY heavy when it is wet. If you are not 
careful, the wet down can break through the baffle stiching which will 
cause it to clump up when it is dry. Be very careful to support the 
weight when moving it from the washer to the dryer. 



#9 of 48 by mcnally on Wed Oct 1 21:54:31 2003:

  due to the weight issue it's usually safer to wash down-filled items
  in a front-loading machine, rather than in a top-loading agitator-type
  washer.  consider taking it to the laundromat..


#10 of 48 by scott on Wed Oct 1 22:29:43 2003:

There's some stuff you can buy (probably at the pet store) which removes piss
stank.


#11 of 48 by michaela on Wed Oct 1 22:42:55 2003:

And, from now on, it might be wise to store the winter coats in garment bags
so they don't get exposed to cat fur/hairballs/cat yak, etc.


#12 of 48 by tod on Wed Oct 1 22:46:33 2003:

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#13 of 48 by glenda on Thu Oct 2 01:09:50 2003:

I wash both wool and silk in the washing machine without any problems
with shrinking or felting.  Fabrics are my hobby, would be my livelihood
if there was any real money in it.

I would consider washing the coats if I had my own washing machine and could
use the 'delicate' setting.  I don't trust the machines at the laundromat.
They don't seem to have a delicate setting.  And the dryers have a low heat
setting that gets almost as hot as the high setting on the last dryer I owned.


#14 of 48 by tod on Thu Oct 2 15:31:36 2003:

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#15 of 48 by keesan on Thu Oct 2 15:45:26 2003:

My down jackets are made of very tough nylon and I wash them on the regular
setting and don't use a dryer.


#16 of 48 by gull on Thu Oct 2 18:14:11 2003:

I had good luck with my sleeping bag by taking it to a laundromat with a
large, front-loading, commercial coin-op washer/extractor and using
that.  Front-loading machines are gentler than agitator machines.


#17 of 48 by mcnally on Thu Oct 2 19:38:07 2003:

  Do you just use warm water or do you have a brand of down-safe detergent
  you like?


#18 of 48 by tod on Thu Oct 2 20:17:55 2003:

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#19 of 48 by other on Fri Oct 3 02:09:17 2003:

Won't most detergents do the same?


#20 of 48 by gull on Fri Oct 3 12:41:50 2003:

I followed the instructions on the tag attached to the sleeping bag.  I
don't remember what they were, right off hand.


#21 of 48 by keesan on Fri Oct 3 13:28:05 2003:

I use dish detergent for wool and regular laundry detergent for feathers.
The wool would shrink if exposed to an alkali.  Feathers don't shrink.


#22 of 48 by lynne on Mon Oct 6 14:02:24 2003:

re 19:  Yes.


#23 of 48 by void on Fri Nov 14 02:39:53 2003:

   In a normal-sized load of laundry, one cup of white vinegar will
get the stink of almost anything out of almost anything else, and
doesn't leave the clothes smelling like vinegar.


#24 of 48 by glenda on Fri Nov 14 02:57:15 2003:

The coats were taken to Mr. Stadium and washed.  Took STeve about 3-4 hours.
Two wash cycles, one with Woolite, one with Fabreze; about 2.5 hours in dryer
on low heat.  All nice and clean and fluffy.


#25 of 48 by gull on Fri Nov 14 14:04:12 2003:

I use vinegar to clean my washer now and then.  A couple cups of it
added to an empty hot water cycle will remove water deposits from the
inner workings.

Tang does the same thing for dishwashers, incidentally.  Run the
dishwasher empty (no dishes, no soap) and after the first fill cycle
finishes open the door, dump a can of Tang (or generic equivalent) into
the water in the bottom, close the door, and let the entire cycle run. 
It'll clean all the scum and deposits off the inside and remove odors.


#26 of 48 by mynxcat on Fri Nov 14 14:57:32 2003:

Tang as in the orange drink??


#27 of 48 by keesan on Fri Nov 14 16:42:45 2003:

Artificially flavored drinks often contain citric acid.  Vinegar is acetic
acid.  Rane, which of these is stronger and how would you suggest cleaning
out the deposits of lime in Jim's toilet when he removes it to make a new
gasket?  The current fix is a bucket under the tank and the toilet is a
nonstandard size from the thirties - it fits closer to the wall than the new
ones.


#28 of 48 by tod on Fri Nov 14 17:54:49 2003:

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#29 of 48 by flem on Fri Nov 14 18:09:17 2003:

Saliva contains digestive acids.  

I'm just sayin'.  :)


#30 of 48 by rcurl on Fri Nov 14 18:48:49 2003:

Saliva is close to neutral. It contains an amylase that digests starch,
mainly to maltose. However starches are in the mouth for only a short time
so only a little is digested. What that does is make the starches taste
slightly sweet, which induces you to eat more.

Citric acid is a stronger acid than acetic, but calcium citrate is not
very soluble. Freshly deposited hardness is easily attacked by acetic acid
(in vinegar) but old "lime" deposits are much more resistant. I'm not sure
why that is, unless it is some conversion of the deposits to calcium
silicate, which is insoluble in acid. The best acid for removal of the
deposits is hydrochloric acid (still sometimes found called "muriatic
acid"), though this is a lot more dangerous to work with than vinegar. 
Sulfuric acid can also be used and might be more obtainable ("battery
acid" is about 30% sulfuric acid - dilute to 10% for use - and be very
careful as it is a strong acid). 


#31 of 48 by gull on Fri Nov 14 20:29:57 2003:

Re #26: Yes, the orange drink.

Re #27: There's a commercial product called CLR (for Calcium, Lime, and
Rust) that you might try.


#32 of 48 by keesan on Fri Nov 14 20:47:40 2003:

We don't have lemons or vinegar but we do have crystalline citric acid.
Can calcium citrate be scrubbed off more easily than calcium carbonate?
It is more interesting to use what we already have than to buy products.
We were supposed to use muriatic acid to remove excess mortar from bricks but
I think vinegar worked there.


#33 of 48 by rcurl on Fri Nov 14 22:17:45 2003:

(Would people please totally forget the term "muriatic acid"? It is
hydrochloric acid.)


#34 of 48 by keesan on Sat Nov 15 03:04:39 2003:

The instructions said 'muriatic acid' to clean the bricks.  The term comes
from the Latin root mur for wall.  The Romans may have used it on walls.  It
is not supposed to harm the bricks.


#35 of 48 by rcurl on Sat Nov 15 06:21:51 2003:

No acids except hydrofluoric harm bricks. The main virtue of hydrochloric
acid is that it is cheap, hence it is used to clean bricks. 


#36 of 48 by keesan on Sat Nov 15 11:40:51 2003:

I think it is also quicker than vinegar.  What is in toilet bowl cleaner,
phosphoric acid?


#37 of 48 by rcurl on Sat Nov 15 17:38:02 2003:

There are different brands. Ingredients are on the label (usually).
Hydrochloric acid is a stronger acid than acetic acid. 


#38 of 48 by tsty on Sun Nov 16 07:30:10 2003:

... and as related above, takes more care in its application(s).


#39 of 48 by gull on Mon Nov 17 14:31:44 2003:

I think my toilet bown cleaner is hydrochloric acid, but I'd have to look.


#40 of 48 by twenex on Mon Nov 17 15:33:15 2003:

hydrochloric acid would probably rot the bowl. more likely just bleach.


#41 of 48 by rcurl on Mon Nov 17 18:09:04 2003:

If the bowl is all ceramic, with no metal, hydrochloric acid would not
do any damage to it. 


#42 of 48 by twenex on Mon Nov 17 18:25:25 2003:

I stand corrected.


#43 of 48 by mynxcat on Mon Nov 17 19:35:17 2003:

We had a granite sink that was ruined when we used some acid in it. I 
want to say HCl, but coult it have been another acid?


#44 of 48 by rcurl on Mon Nov 17 19:44:41 2003:

Granite? Granite would be unaffected by acid. Perhaps it was marble? That
dissolves in acid. 


#45 of 48 by mynxcat on Mon Nov 17 20:11:29 2003:

maybe a very low grade marble then?


#46 of 48 by gull on Mon Nov 17 21:06:33 2003:

Soapstone used to be a common thing to make laboratory sinks out of.


#47 of 48 by rcurl on Tue Nov 18 00:19:22 2003:

Soapstone is also impervious to acids (and alkalis).


#48 of 48 by willcome on Thu Nov 27 07:54:02 2003:

grungy /WHORES/.


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