Grex Agora47 Conference

Item 19: Fall Short Questions

Entered by gelinas on Wed Sep 24 18:03:18 2003:

I saw Jamie's item for questions addressed to the resident genius, so this
is the item for the rest of us to offer answers.  The title says "Short
Questions," but we really mean short answers:  Questions that you think can
be answered in something less than a page, with fewer than 10 equations and
figures, combined. 
239 responses total.

#1 of 239 by gelinas on Wed Sep 24 18:04:09 2003:

Why does EU use the abbreviation GB for the United Kingdom, instead of UK?


#2 of 239 by mynxcat on Wed Sep 24 18:10:07 2003:

Great Britain I guess. What is the difference between Great Britain and the
United Kingdom anyways?


#3 of 239 by jp2 on Wed Sep 24 18:20:02 2003:

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#4 of 239 by dah on Wed Sep 24 19:33:50 2003:

Pratt Library.


#5 of 239 by gelinas on Wed Sep 24 19:55:34 2003:

That turned out to be a really interesting question, jp2.  You'll have to look
at http://www.nic.us/delegated_managers/delegated_subdomains.txt to see who
to contact for the particular name you want.  I suspect you won't be able to
get "jp2.md.us", for instance, but I can't get the list of reserved names to
unzip.


#6 of 239 by twenex on Wed Sep 24 22:27:13 2003:

Re 1 and 2:

"GB" seems to be the standard/official international abbreviation for the UK.
Canada Post say that letters addressed to people in England, Scotland, Wales
or Northern Ireland should be marked "GB" or "Great Britain". This *may* have
something to do with the fact that the ownership of Northern Irelandi
sontested.

The official name of the country is "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Northern Ireland". Great Britain is the larger of the two main islands
composing the countries of Britain and Ireland. the term "UK", or, informally,
"Britain" (i.e. no "Great") refers to England, Scotland, and Wales (on Great
Britain) and Northern Ireland (the Northeast 6 counties on the island of
Ireland - try saying that in an accent where you don't pronounce "r".)

("Northern Irelandi sontested" above should read "Northern Ireland is
contested".)

I tried to keep this as brief as possible, but as you can see, it's
complicated.


#7 of 239 by twenex on Wed Sep 24 22:29:00 2003:

Of course, you could just call the whole country "England", but that annoys
the hell out of the Scots and Welsh (and the Northern Irish?), as does the
term "The British Isles" for the islands owned, separately, by Britain and
Ireland.

And then there's "Ulster"...


#8 of 239 by mynxcat on Wed Sep 24 22:48:22 2003:

Ulster?


#9 of 239 by jp2 on Wed Sep 24 23:08:08 2003:

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#10 of 239 by gelinas on Thu Sep 25 02:42:49 2003:

What do you mean by "under the third tier"?  jp2.md.us or jp2.there.md.us ?


#11 of 239 by jp2 on Thu Sep 25 02:45:54 2003:

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#12 of 239 by albaugh on Thu Sep 25 19:33:59 2003:

Ulster is one of the 4 original provinces of Ireland, along with Leinster
(where Dublin is), Munster (where Kerry, Killarney, Limerick etc. are), and
Connaght (sp) (northwest).  Ulster is essentially the 6 counties of the 32
which is now Northern Ireland.  Refer to the song "4 Green Fields".


#13 of 239 by asddsa on Thu Sep 25 19:56:39 2003:

SINCE WHEN HAS 13 BEEN CONSIDERED UNLUCKY?


#14 of 239 by twenex on Thu Sep 25 21:29:11 2003:

Thankyou albaugh. I was going to post that these evening, (it's 22:25 here),
but you beat me to it.

For those wondering about the "essentially" bit in albaugh's post, Ulster the
geographical province of the island includes all 6 counties of Northern
Ireland, plus three in the Republic, to the east and southeast of Northern
Ireland.

One small correction - the spelling is "Connaught", or "Connacht", but i
believe the former spelling is now the official one. "Leinster" and
"Connaught" are pronounced, roughly, "Lennster" and "CONNot", I believe.


#15 of 239 by jp2 on Fri Sep 26 15:53:27 2003:

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#16 of 239 by mynxcat on Fri Sep 26 16:01:29 2003:

Trojan's better. Or maybe not.


#17 of 239 by flem on Fri Sep 26 18:08:01 2003:

Abstinence brand?  What, are those like really uncomfortable or something?


#18 of 239 by gull on Fri Sep 26 19:57:57 2003:

Maybe they're hoping for a little free advertising when people say "the
best protection is Abstinence."  Sort of like the scam where a guy
created a long distance company named "I Don't Care".


#19 of 239 by gelinas on Fri Sep 26 21:30:35 2003:

How is engine displacement derived?  Is it the amount of water displaced by
the entire engine, or is it the size of the compression/combustion chambers?
I'd always assumed the former.  Of course, I've never really thought about
it, either.


#20 of 239 by murph on Fri Sep 26 21:49:55 2003:

Engine displacement is the difference in combustion chamber volume between
the piston at full out and full in.  So, let's say you're looking at a 450cc
motorcycle engine with 2 cylinders (which would be a .45 L engine, in the
car world's terms).  450cc/2cyl = 225cc (.225L) per cylinder.  This means
that each cylinder can hold .225L less water at its smallest (piston furthest
in) than it can at its largest (piston furthest out).


#21 of 239 by gelinas on Sat Sep 27 05:10:20 2003:

So my 302 V8 had 37ci/cylinder.  Cool.  Thanks. :)


#22 of 239 by murph on Sat Sep 27 13:10:35 2003:

You're welcome.  Ask me sometime when I can draw on something and I'll
explain what the 4 strokes in a 4-stroke engine are and graph the power
output for a cycle.  I have half a degree in this stuff; I need to get
*some* use out of it...


#23 of 239 by rcurl on Sat Sep 27 15:50:31 2003:

Animated 4-stroke engine at
http://www.marinediesels.info/Basics/the_4_stroke_engine_explanation.htm


#24 of 239 by asddsa on Sun Sep 28 16:37:07 2003:

Nice!


#25 of 239 by gull on Tue Sep 30 13:30:13 2003:

A 4-stroke gasoline engine works the same way, except that a mixture of
air and gasoline is pulled into the cylinder during the induction
stroke, then as the engine approaches TDC the spark plug is fired to
ignite the mixture.  (Actually, the timing of the spark can be anywhere
from 20 or more degrees before TDC to a few degrees after TDC, depending
on the engine speed and the design of the engine.  As the engine speeds
up, the spark has to occur sooner for best power.  This is called "spark
advance.")


#26 of 239 by gelinas on Tue Sep 30 18:13:36 2003:

Now I know why timing is expressed in degrees. :)


#27 of 239 by tsty on Thu Oct 2 08:18:42 2003:

the url in #23 si awesome.


#28 of 239 by asddsa on Thu Oct 2 23:22:28 2003:

You spell "the" correctly, but not "is"? How is that logical.


#29 of 239 by tsty on Fri Oct 3 05:25:34 2003:

t h e    was a mistake sizat alright?


#30 of 239 by asddsa on Sat Oct 4 16:02:20 2003:

O, I thought you had trademarked misspellings, when used simultaneously.


#31 of 239 by keesan on Sat Oct 4 23:16:44 2003:

Does anyone have a 1 or 2G (or 4G) laptop 2.5" hard drive that they don't want
and will sell cheaply?  Jim wants to put Win98 onto it.  How big a drive do
you need for minimal Win98?  The CD that came with the laptop insists on
putting a bunch of junk on before it puts Windows on, including 15M of a video
commercial for the computer that runs in loops.  


#32 of 239 by gull on Sun Oct 5 00:09:17 2003:

Minimal Win98 should fit within 200 megs, I think, but without much to 
spare.  A 450 meg drive would probably be comfortable for a Win98 
system, if you don't plan on installing a lot of large software 
packages.

A minimal Win95 system will fit in under 100 megs.  I've seen it 
squished down under 64 megs, before.


#33 of 239 by murph on Sun Oct 5 01:21:32 2003:

At one point I had Win95 running on a machine with a 120MB hard drive and 8MB
of ram.  Had no problems with disk space, but lots of propblems with memory.
Subsequent versions of windows seem to have grown exponentially, though...


#34 of 239 by keesan on Sun Oct 5 03:08:24 2003:

We got Win95 pared down to 48M by deleting all the ads for various ISPs and
other nonsense like that.  Jim has a 500M laptop drive that was not large
enough for the CD that came with the computer (Win98 and a bunch of other
things) but it did not give you a choice of what to install.  It was a
'backup' CD, I think.  He also wants to put on some scanner software and
probably something to edit photos with.  He has some old slides to convert
to digital format.  We will get hold of a regular Win98 CD.  Thanks.
Does Win98 come with some painting program that can edit photos?

I will some day put scanner software onto a linux computer.


#35 of 239 by gull on Sun Oct 5 20:50:45 2003:

Win98 doesn't come with a good photo editing program.  I would suggest
Paint Shop Pro.


#36 of 239 by scott on Sun Oct 5 22:47:58 2003:

I'd get Irfanview - it's a free download, and will do cropping and scaling
and such.


#37 of 239 by gull on Mon Oct 6 02:39:48 2003:

I like Irfanview a lot, but I don't know if I'd call it a photo editor.


#38 of 239 by scott on Mon Oct 6 13:25:56 2003:

It's getting bigger each time I look at the webpage, though.

From http://www.irfanview.com
(I cut it down to the editing features)
Change color depth
 
Scan (batch scan) support
 
Cut/crop
 
IPTC editing
 
Effects (Sharpen, Blur, Filter Factory)
 
Capturing
 
Extract icons from EXE/DLL/ICLs
 
Lossless JPG rotation


#39 of 239 by jep on Sun Oct 12 01:46:11 2003:

I've seen questions about this before, but I'm not sure they were the 
same problem I'm having.

Just in the last week or so, my dishwasher is leaving a thicker and 
thicker film on the glasses, and now on everything else as well.  I 
bought something that said it was a dishwasher cleaner, a powder to be 
used with no dishes; it did no good.  I've ran some of my glasses 
through the dishwasher 4-5 times now and they're getting a lot worse.  
I cannot see through them any more.

I'd switched to a tablet-type dishwasher soap, and thought that was 
the problem, so I bought some of the liquid I've usually used (Cascade 
Complete).  It didn't help; things are still getting worse.

The dishwasher worked fine until this week.

What's up with that?


#40 of 239 by slynne on Sun Oct 12 02:00:53 2003:

try running it with a bunch if white vinegar in it


#41 of 239 by jep on Sun Oct 12 02:09:54 2003:

I'm doing that now; I put a couple of cups of vinegar in a container 
and am running the dishwasher right now.  My non-metal dishes which 
are film-covered are in there; got that suggestion from some WWW site.


#42 of 239 by mary on Sun Oct 12 02:42:38 2003:

We had a problem with a chalky white glaze which was getting 
worse with each load.  A vinegar wash got everything glaze-free
but until I changed to a non-Cascade liquid dishwashing liquid,
the problem persisted.

We now use Palmolive liquid.  Dishes are clean and glassses are
sparkling clear.  

Gotta run, my apron needs ironing.


#43 of 239 by jep on Sun Oct 12 04:50:58 2003:

Do you starch your apron, Mary?  (-:

The vinegar helped, but I wonder what will happen the next time I wash 
dishes.  If they look like they have soap scum on them again, I think 
I'll ask for a repairman to look at my dishwasher.


#44 of 239 by rcurl on Sun Oct 12 05:04:31 2003:

Is your water inlet valve working properly? That is, is the dishwasher
actually washing and rinsing the dishes? We lived with strangely filmed
dishes for a short while before I realized the inlet valve had failed
and letting in only enough water to slightly rinse everything so food
scraps were gone - but the detergent stuck around.



#45 of 239 by tod on Sun Oct 12 16:24:38 2003:

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#46 of 239 by jep on Mon Oct 13 00:19:22 2003:

I don't know if the water intake is working correctly.  I do know the 
dishes are wet after they've been washed.

I'm calling the repairman tomorrow.


#47 of 239 by cmcgee on Mon Oct 13 01:05:51 2003:

I once had a very dirty drain screen cause the same type of problem.


#48 of 239 by gull on Mon Oct 13 01:13:18 2003:

Re #39: When I had that problem, I eventually figured out it was because 
the water valve wasn't opening for part of the cycle.  To figure this 
out I had to sit next to the dishwasher and listen to it for an entire 
wash cycle.  It was only one part of the cycle that had the failure, so 
the dishes were still wet, but they weren't getting clean.


I find Tang (or the cheaper store-brand imitation) is a good dishwasher 
cleaner and deoderizer.  Run the dishwasher empty (no soap, either) and 
after the tub fills the first time, open the door and dump in an entire 
can.


#49 of 239 by jep on Mon Oct 13 02:57:34 2003:

I don't know what a drain screen is, but I don't see anything easily 
removable in the dishwasher that should be causing this type of 
problem.  Since I live in an apartment, I have the luxury of getting a 
repairman to come out for free.  I'm going to do that rather than 
worry much more about the problem.


#50 of 239 by drew on Mon Oct 13 19:02:05 2003:

That's what I was thinking.


#51 of 239 by albaugh on Tue Oct 14 15:20:49 2003:

Is your "Jet Dry" supply empty?


#52 of 239 by gull on Tue Oct 14 17:25:22 2003:

I can't say I've ever noticed any difference between using Jet-Dry and not
using it.  I'm starting to suspect it's snake oil.


#53 of 239 by jep on Tue Oct 14 19:16:05 2003:

The apartment complex manager said this problem happens sometimes if 
the water softener for the building is on the fritz.  I guess they 
fixed that yesterday.  I tried my dishwasher last night.  It didn't get 
rid of all the film left on the dishes that I hadn't scrubbed by hand. 
It did handle the ones I'd washed by hand, though.  If I run the rest 
through another time or two, they'll probably be fine as well.


#54 of 239 by rcurl on Tue Oct 14 23:00:37 2003:

Oh - you don't live in AA, do  you? Many communities don't soften their
water and homeowners and businesses have to do it themselves. I was
surprised to learn that Kalamazoo doesn't soften its water supply, although
they do remove iron. Apparently people complained a loot more about iron
in the water than calcium and magnesium.


#55 of 239 by jep on Thu Oct 16 17:35:14 2003:

I don't know who softens the water in Tecumseh.  I do know the water in 
Lenawee County is the hardest water I've ever seen.  When I lived 
outside nearby Clinton and our water softener was low on salt, taking a 
shower was a horrid experience.  That film that was on my glasses would 
stick to my skin just as well.  I'd come out of the shower and feel 
dirtier than when I'd gotten in it.

I fear to know what would have happened if it'd ever run out.  Since I 
didn't notice any broken glasses or other dishes, I presume it didn't 
get that bad last week.


#56 of 239 by tinman on Thu Oct 16 19:35:48 2003:

sabra sabra cadabra janc is going to reach out and grab ya!


#57 of 239 by mcnally on Mon Oct 20 07:52:41 2003:

  Not the most pressing short question, but perhaps someone here can
  satisfy a point of curiosity for me.  I recently rewatched the film
  "Cold Comfort Farm", a British period comedy which made a joke out
  of the phrase "something nasty in the woodshed."  I've seen and read
  other British humor which has riffed on that phrase, too.  However,
  although the nature of the "something nasty in the woodshed" is
  usually pretty apparent from context the origin of the phrase itself
  remains a complete mystery to me. 

  Does anyone know where it comes from originally?



#58 of 239 by mcnally on Mon Oct 20 07:55:03 2003:

  (I'd do a google search on it but I'm more or less sure that while
  the results would be memorable they're not highly likely to be
  enlightening, at least not insofar as concerns the question at hand.)


#59 of 239 by other on Mon Oct 20 16:24:27 2003:

<reads #58 twice, then laughs>


#60 of 239 by tod on Mon Oct 20 16:30:48 2003:

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#61 of 239 by rcurl on Mon Oct 20 18:38:51 2003:

It comes from Stella Gibbons' book "Cold  Comfort Farm" (1932). There
is a review at http://www.catharton.com/stellagibbons/worksfarm.html
that remarks upon 'Stella's most profound feat of comic invention centres
round the famous phrase: "something nasty in the woodshed."'


#62 of 239 by mcnally on Mon Oct 20 19:30:34 2003:

  But was it the phrase itself that was her invention or was it the 
  appropriation of the phrase for comic use?


#63 of 239 by rcurl on Mon Oct 20 19:44:02 2003:

That's a good question as there could have been a use of the phrase in
Cockney or other English slang and Gibbons picked it up for her spoof of
English country life. But apparently it was her use of it that set it free
into popular use.

However it doesn't seem uncommon for authors to popularize expressions,
comic or otherwise. 

I just finished a crossword puzzle that used as answers now popular
expressions that (it claimed) all originated in one work of fiction.  The
expressions are "thank you for nothing", "the sky's the limit", "mum's the
word", "no love lost", "give the devil his due", "stone's throw", and
"smell a rat". Can you name that work?



#64 of 239 by tod on Mon Oct 20 20:00:37 2003:

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#65 of 239 by remmers on Tue Oct 21 03:07:40 2003:

Re #63:  After some painstaking, arduous research (read: spend five
minutes typing stuff into Google) it doth appear that the work in
question is _Don Quixote_ by Cervantes.  In fact, I came across a
website that lists many many expressions from Quixote.  Among the
more familiar:

  o As ill-luck would have it.
  o Which I have earned with the sweat of my brows.
  o Can we ever have too much of a good thing.
  o Plain as the nose on a man's face.
  o Out of the frying-pan into the fire.
  o Bell, book, and candle.
  o Let the worst come to the worst.
  o Why do you lead me a wild-goose chase?
  o I find my familiarity with thee has bred contempt.
  o Sure as a gun.
  o Sing away sorrow, cast away care.
  o Thank you for nothing.
  o Murder will out.
  o It is the part of a wise man ... not to venture
     all his eggs in one basket.
  o Within a stone's throw of it.
  o Let us make hay while the sun shines.
  o Every man for himself, and God for us all.
  o I shall cry my eyes out.
  o A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
  o Here is the devil-and-all to pay.
  o I begin to smell a rat.
  o Faint heart never won fair lady.
  o Let every man look before he leaps.
  o He has an oar in every man's boat, and a finger in every pie.
  o The proof of the pudding is the eating.
  o It is good to live and learn.
  o He is as mad as a March hare.
  o I must follow him through thick and thin.
  o There is no love lost between us.
  o All is not gold that glitters.
  o Honesty is the best policy.
  o I have other fish to fry.
  o All in good time.
  o Matters will go swimmingly.
  o Good wits jump; a word to the wise is enough.
  o You cannot eat your cake and have your cake.
  o The pot calls the kettle black.
  o When thou art at Rome, do as they do at Rome.
  o Many count their chickens before they are hatched.
  o Rome was not built in a day.

If Cervantes truly invented all of the above, this is astounding.  See
http://www.literatureclassics.com/browselitquotes.asp?subcategory=SU&author
=Sa
avedra
for a longer list.

Shakespeare was also a great creator of language.  When ever I read
some Shakespeare or see it performed, I'm always struck by how many
familiar everyday expressions I hear.  The Bard invented 'em.

<remmers makes a note to himself to read Don Quixote some day>



#66 of 239 by rcurl on Tue Oct 21 06:13:29 2003:

There would be a question of the degree to which the translator of
Don Quixote from the (early) Spanish had a hand in putting those
expressions into English, at least for those that are not verbatim
translations. I find it difficult to image what the Spanish for
"Mum's the word" would be such that it would be translated as "Mum's".
So, to find out this, we would also have to read it in Spanish. One
possibility is that the translator chose in some cases known English
expressions that he knew but which by the translation were immortalized.
(Consider that the book was first translated into English in 1612. 
Hmmm....could Shakespeare have done the translation?


#67 of 239 by remmers on Tue Oct 21 12:11:40 2003:

(Time to do some more Googling...)


#68 of 239 by asddsa on Wed Oct 22 02:55:21 2003:

remmers is quite the researcher


#69 of 239 by janc on Mon Oct 27 03:54:34 2003:

I don't think "something nasty in the woodshed" comes from anyplace other
than the Stella Gibbons book (which was a favorite of mine long before the
movie).  The matriarch in that book saw "something nasty in the woodshed"
and this event has caused her to brood in her room for decades, casting a
dark shadow over Cold Comfort Farm.  The heroine manages to dispell the
cloud, with the help of travel brochures, as well as slicing through many
other knots in the dismal tangle of Cold Comfort Farm.  Part of the charm
of the book is that the "something nasty in the wood shed" and several other
mysteries (including that of the rights due to the heroine) never get
resolved.  They just get swept out the door without further examination.
The knots are cut, not unraveled, and everyone goes free without further
ado.

Rather disappointing to hear that people use the phrase in contexts where
the meaning is obvious.  That's really missing the point.


#70 of 239 by mcnally on Mon Oct 27 06:11:17 2003:

  I guess I can see how you might prefer it to remain unexplained in
  MacGuffin-like fashion.


#71 of 239 by janc on Mon Oct 27 14:29:43 2003:

Many mysteries are best savored in an unsolved state.

And the idea that you don't have to deal with the burdens of history, you
can just forget them and get on with life is charming and refreshing.  Every
one in the mideast should read "Cold Comfort Farm" once a week.


#72 of 239 by jep on Thu Oct 30 00:47:32 2003:

I use Windows Explorer quiet a lot at work, to browse directories with 
lots of files.  Each time I start up Windows Explorer, and often (it 
seems) when I change to a different directory, it switches to 
using "Large Icon" format for displaying the list of files.  I 
want "Details".  Is there some way to universally, permanently, set 
Windows Explorer to use "Details" format?

Thanks!


#73 of 239 by scott on Thu Oct 30 02:26:54 2003:

Browse the "root" of your hard drive, basically the drive letter.  Set the
viewing properties, and from there somehow you select an option to set it for
all subfolders... either from a right-click or in the menus.


#74 of 239 by jep on Thu Oct 30 03:35:17 2003:

Hmm.  I can do that at home (Windows XP) by setting the current View 
setting that I want, then going to Tools > Folder options, selecting 
the View tab, and activating "Apply to All Folders".  I'll have to 
check whether I have that at work, too (Windows 2000).  It seems to me 
I've looked before... but I'll try it.

Thanks, Scott!


#75 of 239 by glenda on Thu Oct 30 04:21:03 2003:

Basically the same in win2k as in winXP.  Have to do it every time I log in
at school, most students like icons so the images are set that way, changes
are only in effect until the machine is restarted.  We ghost them every night.
It is a pain.  Also have to set my monitor resolution every time, the image
is set at 800x600, I prefer 1152x864, will accept 1024x768 (especially as they
are 15" monitors and I use a 19" at home).


#76 of 239 by jep on Thu Oct 30 16:50:16 2003:

All right, I've set my Windows Explorer at work to always use Details.  
Thanks for all the help!


#77 of 239 by tod on Thu Oct 30 21:51:35 2003:

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#78 of 239 by goose on Fri Oct 31 03:58:50 2003:

That question made my head hurt....;-)


#79 of 239 by gull on Fri Oct 31 13:43:15 2003:

Cygwin is the only decent freeware one I've found.  I use it for the
application you mentioned, and also for doing SCP transfers.


#80 of 239 by gull on Fri Oct 31 13:44:18 2003:

(In case you change your mind about not using Cygwin, there's a set of
setup instructions for a basic install with sshd running as a service
here: http://tech.erdelynet.com/cygwin-sshd.html)


#81 of 239 by eprom on Fri Oct 31 16:52:00 2003:

Can someone clearly explain meters per second per second?

We used it in Calc I, but I'd usually just plug-and chug and 
write the m/s^2 after the anwser, without understanding it.

now i'm seeing it again, this time in referance to the 
constant acceleration of gravity being 9.81m/sec^2, but
being a chemisty book, doesn't actually explain m/s^2.


#82 of 239 by keesan on Fri Oct 31 17:12:05 2003:

Acceleration.  Meters per second is velocity, acceleration is how fast your
velocity changes (as when dropping things from a height).


#83 of 239 by mcnally on Fri Oct 31 17:35:45 2003:

  Right.  Assume you're travelling down a city street at 10 meters per
  second ( * 3600 seconds per hour = 36,000 m/h or 36 kph, a bit over
  20 mph.)  You're not speeding up or slowing down, just travelling
  the same amount of distance every second -- that's your velocity,
  and velocity is distance over time - meters / second.  [or if you
  prefer other units, miles / hour, furlongs / fortnight, or
  {any unit of distance} / {any unit of time}]

  You come to a place where the speed limit changes and so you decide to
  accelerate.  Acceleration involves a change in velocity -- let's say
  you want to double your speed to 20 meters / second (or around 45 mph..)
  As anyone who's ever tried to stop suddenly before hitting something
  can tell you, changing your velocity takes time, whether you wish to 
  increase or decrease it.  Acceleration is the measure of how fast your
  velocity changes, or put another way it's the measure of that change
  in velocity with respect to the time it takes to effect the change.
  So acceleration =   (change in velocity) / time 
                  or  (m/s) / s
                  or  m/(s^2)


#84 of 239 by gelinas on Fri Oct 31 17:41:12 2003:

But let's take it a bit further:  the slash means divide-by.  So:

        10 m / s / s = 10 m / s :- s
                    = 10 m / s x 1 / 1 s
                    = 10 m / (s x s)
                    = 10 m / s ** 2


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#86 of 239 by davel on Sat Nov 1 14:55:55 2003:

Can anyone point me to a store, reasonably near Ann Arbor, that sells Lotsa
Cola (& other Lotsa flavors)?   Never mind why, you really don't want to know.


#87 of 239 by other on Sun Nov 2 05:47:23 2003:

I need suggestions for a good browser with which to do standards-
compliant DHTML/JavaScript development/debugging under Mac OS X.

Got any?


#88 of 239 by gelinas on Sun Nov 2 05:53:07 2003:

Safari?


#89 of 239 by other on Sun Nov 2 06:07:27 2003:

There appears to be absolutely no facility within Safari for 
reporting of Javascript errors, which makes it pretty useless for 
the purposes I specified.


#90 of 239 by gelinas on Sun Nov 2 06:16:58 2003:

That's why I asked.  Thanks.


#91 of 239 by tod on Sun Nov 2 15:36:46 2003:

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#92 of 239 by goose on Tue Nov 4 14:28:11 2003:

VirtualDub?


#93 of 239 by gull on Tue Nov 4 14:41:24 2003:

I use VirtualDub for capturing and trimming video and it works well.  If
you're looking for something along the lines of a nonlinear editing system
it will probably disappoint you, though.


#94 of 239 by tod on Tue Nov 4 18:20:18 2003:

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#95 of 239 by tsty on Thu Nov 6 10:54:57 2003:

will cracklock kill taht 30-day bug?


#96 of 239 by tod on Thu Nov 6 19:27:42 2003:

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#97 of 239 by keesan on Sun Nov 16 16:48:01 2003:

We are trying to diagnose/fix jep's Epson stylus C60, for which the printer
driver would be at least a half hour download.  Is there some way to do a
self-test on this printer, or on other newer Epson printers?


#98 of 239 by jep on Mon Nov 17 03:38:05 2003:

Turn off the printer, and disconnect the printer cable

Hold down the (strange rune button) and keep it held down
  It has two symbols on it.  One looks like a piece of paper with the
  corner folded

Press and release the power button

Continue holding down the (strange rune button) until the green power 
light starts to flash, then release it.  It will print a diagnostic 
page.

There's a 64 page PDF manual at the Epson WWW site if you look around  
a bit, but that will take you a while to download, too.  


#99 of 239 by keesan on Mon Nov 17 15:35:11 2003:

Thanks.  I actually downloaded the printer driver (15 min once we got the 56K
winmodem to work -the only one of five we could get to work) and Win98 would
not print at all with that driver.  Maybe we need a different cable.

I followed instructions and the cartridge moved back and forth but it did not
load paper or print.  How do I load paper into it?


#100 of 239 by jep on Mon Nov 17 18:23:23 2003:

You just slide the paper into the tray where the sliding paper size bar 
is, as I recall it.  As I recall, there are no tricks or difficulties 
with that printer; it works just as you'd expect.  It should load the 
paper; at least it did the last time I tried to use it.


#101 of 239 by other on Mon Nov 17 20:57:48 2003:

Short Question:  What is the best way to make an executable file 
into a double-clickable application in Mac OS X?

(When I use an applescript "do shell script..." the applescript 
applet hangs after spawning the shell process instead of closing.)


#102 of 239 by keesan on Tue Nov 18 02:55:36 2003:

Is the tray for paper at the back or at bottom front?  Jim put it in back.


#103 of 239 by jep on Tue Nov 18 03:39:53 2003:

As I recall, it could be put in either way.


#104 of 239 by twenex on Thu Nov 20 01:39:17 2003:

What's with this accursed trend of putting the word "all"
in a sentence in places where it makes no sense at all
(forgive the pun), as in:

"Who all is in this room?"

"What all are you doing tonight?"

I don't know if anyone has heard the phrase "syntactic
sugar" before, but this all strikes me as syntactic
excrement.


#105 of 239 by rcurl on Thu Nov 20 01:51:23 2003:

Who all has been doing that?


#106 of 239 by happyboy on Thu Nov 20 01:52:38 2003:

all y'all has too mudge time on yore hands.


#107 of 239 by twenex on Thu Nov 20 01:57:55 2003:

This all may be true.

"Y'all", of course, is excluded because it is the
(informal) plural of singular "you", a distinction found
so important that just about all european languages retain
it.


#108 of 239 by remmers on Thu Nov 20 02:43:00 2003:

As in the well-known French saying, "Y'all come back now,
s'il vous plait."


#109 of 239 by willcome on Thu Nov 20 03:41:28 2003:

They always shorten that to SVP, though.


#110 of 239 by davel on Thu Nov 20 13:46:21 2003:

Y'all haven't been around enough southerners.  "Y'all" is not necessarily
plural, in common usage.  Usually but not always.


#111 of 239 by tpryan on Thu Nov 20 13:52:47 2003:

        Didn't Jeff Foxworthy say that 'yupto' is a southern word?
What'cha yupto?


#112 of 239 by gull on Thu Nov 20 14:57:46 2003:

"Y'all" can be singular.
"All y'all" is always plural. ;>


#113 of 239 by micklpkl on Thu Nov 20 15:06:13 2003:

<cringes, and wonders what type of "southerner" y'all have been hearing>


#114 of 239 by micklpkl on Thu Nov 20 15:43:18 2003:

Oh, I need to lighten up, don't I? :)

In the serendipity department, I discovered this quote from Kinky 
Friedman while doing some web-based research:

"Remember: Y'all is singular. All y'all is plural. All y'all's is 
plural possessive."


#115 of 239 by gull on Thu Nov 20 15:44:39 2003:

That must be where I was remembering it from. :>


#116 of 239 by mynxcat on Thu Nov 20 16:16:48 2003:

That "You all" and "What all" is usually what I've heard Indians say. 
I've not heard any Americans use that, but maybe I wasn't paying 
attention


#117 of 239 by jep on Thu Nov 20 18:28:53 2003:

My brother's wife is from Arkansas.  If you took away "y'all" and "you 
all" from her speech, she would be unable to communicate.


#118 of 239 by happyboy on Thu Nov 20 19:24:29 2003:

are you sure?


#119 of 239 by twenex on Thu Nov 20 21:12:48 2003:

Thank all y'all for correcting me.


#120 of 239 by keesan on Fri Nov 21 04:01:19 2003:

Is there such a thing as a VESA 2.0 video driver for Win98?  We have a
computer with SiS onboard video (COmpaq Presario) for which we cannot find
a video driver.  Windows decided to call it plain PCI VGA.  (We found the
driver for the onboard sound for that computer).


#121 of 239 by albaugh on Fri Nov 21 18:04:39 2003:

"Unfortunately" English has no separate word (pronoun) for second person
plural, so people (especially south of the Mason-Dixon line) compensate.


#122 of 239 by rcurl on Fri Nov 21 18:13:20 2003:

We do use "you". For example, in speaking to a group, I feel no hesitancy
is saying "you" to refer to a whole group, but some must feel they have to
add "all" to encompass the group. Do people in the south feel it not
enough to look at a group and use just "you"? How did that get started?
Does it come from a normal declension in another language? 



#123 of 239 by twenex on Fri Nov 21 18:17:36 2003:

In the north (of England) we use "you's"


#124 of 239 by keesan on Sat Nov 22 00:08:45 2003:

We found the Compaq's video driver by looking at the number on the video chip
instead of the numbers produced by diagnostic programs.  It works.
Why does Windows not have VESA drivers????


#125 of 239 by drew on Mon Nov 24 07:30:10 2003:

Will a PC2700 DDR RAM chip work on a motherboard for which is specified 

        DRAM Access Time: 2.5V Unbuffered DDR 200/266 MHz Type required  ?


#126 of 239 by willcome on Thu Nov 27 07:32:05 2003:

Will a 27 year old whore work whore way through Hollywood?


#127 of 239 by arabella on Sat Nov 29 21:51:35 2003:

I have a confusing problem with Eudora on my laptop.  I used to download 
html mail just fine (daily comics, for instance) using a dialup 
connection.  Recently I took the laptop to a friend's house and 
connected via an ethernet card to his home network which is connected 
via cable modem to the internet.  When I next downloaded email, all the 
html graphics were gone.  Now I am back on dialup, but I *still* get no 
html mail.  It seems as if Eudora remembers something about that network 
connection.  I have explored the preferences on Eudora, and can't find a 
way to fix this problem.  There is a setting for automatic downloading 
of html, but I get a weird effect, with some html coming through, and 
some not.  Any ideas?


#128 of 239 by keesan on Sat Nov 29 22:47:08 2003:

Good luck with the html.  The only html mail I get is spam.
Can you reinstall Eudora?

My short question.  Where can I find a brief introduction on how to compile
linux programs from source code?  Someone sent me a shell script for choosing
options (to compile lynx) and I found the source code (.tar.gz file) but how
do I combine the two?  


#129 of 239 by mcnally on Sun Nov 30 00:38:16 2003:

  Start by uncompressing and extracting the source code, e.g.:

    tar xzvf source.tar.gz

  (do this in some directory that's a good place to keep source,
  like your home directory or /usr/local/src or something like that,
  not in a system directory like /bin or / )

  Most archives unpack into their own subdirectory of the current
  working directory, so change directory into wherever the source
  has unpacked itself, eg:  cd lynx-x.yy

  Under the top level directory of an unpacked source archive you
  will virtually always find a file titled either "README" "INSTALL"
  or some other name that marks it as a logical place to start.
  Read the document for instructions on how to configure, compile,
  and install the package.  In most cases this process consists of
  editing one or more makefiles and include files (typically in 
  places indicated by surrounding comments) and then compiling with
  "make" and installing (once "make" is successful) with "make install")


#130 of 239 by keesan on Sun Nov 30 01:18:38 2003:

Thanks, I may try this first with photopc (which produces a 49K exe file for
Debian but I seem to have found the wrong Debian version).  Then with Lynx,
for which someone sent me a shell script.  I may have more questions later.
In the past two days we just put our linux computer together but have not
installed the compiler files yet.  120MB of them.  The rest of linux is half
that size including five browsers.w

To install a .tar.gz file (generic) in Slackware I presume I follow some of
the above procedure to decompress into subdirectories and then move the files
to the proper locations in the regular directories, right?  I have Opera as
a tar.gz file, also ratpoison.  Or is there some easier way?


#131 of 239 by mcnally on Sun Nov 30 04:45:57 2003:

  A tar file is a collection of files stuck together into an archive 
  by the "tar" command.  (Historical note:  the name "tar" comes from
  "tape archive" but tar proved useful for much more than just putting
  files on tape..) 

  A .tar.gz file is just a tar file compressed using the gzip utility.
  You used to also see .tar.z files (made with the "compress" utility)
  and these days you'll often see .tar.bz (bzip2 utility..)  Linux's
  tar command has an extra flag that tells it to compress/uncompress
  the file it's working on so that you don't need an extra step in your
  command line, so the "tar xvzf lynx-x.yy.tar.gz" command above should
  uncompress (-z) and extract (-x) the file (-f) lynx-x.yy.tar.gz
  while telling you (-v) what it's doing.

  Once all the files are extracted from the compressed archive the 
  process will include:

   a) configuring the package options,
   b) compiling the source into executables and/or other files, and then
   c) installing the finished product into 

  Typically once you do (a) according to instructions, the "make" command
  takes care of step (b).  Once you're satisfied that (b) worked right,
  most packages are set up so that "make install" will put the finished
  products in the right places.  You will usually need to be root for the
  "make install" step to work properly, unless you have configured the
  package to avoid installing in a public directory.


#132 of 239 by keesan on Sun Nov 30 13:20:33 2003:

I am always root on my little linux.  The author of the DOS version of lynx
(which I helped find one little bug in with his help) sent me a shell script
which he said to use to configure the makefile(s) and he also explained how
to make an error log of the compilation process.  Your brief explanation
combined with his longer one are starting to make sense.  To make a Slackware
.tgz package I think I would, before the makeinstall step, use something like
'makepkg' to compress the compiled files into an archive that someone else
could install.  

My other question was how to install packages ending in .tar.gz that were not
designed for Slackware, such as Opera.  After decompressing them, is there
some easy way to move the files to their correct places?  The file that I
extracted from a .deb package worked like a Slackware file but Opera ended
up in its own directory not on the path and was looking for some file it could
not find (related to unicode) when I tried to use Slackware's installpkg.
Someone in the linux mail list that I have subscribed to (for basiclinux, a
small SW based linux) will explain this soon if you cannot.  I can wait.  

I was told to compile the latest version (with patches) of ncurses and openssl
and make a static version of lynx which will be larger than a shared version.


#133 of 239 by tpryan on Sun Nov 30 14:56:39 2003:

        The instructions never make sense until you execute them correctly.


#134 of 239 by mcnally on Sun Nov 30 19:10:38 2003:

  All kinds of things may come packaged in .tar.gz (aka .tgz) bundles.
  My comments only apply to source code archives, and not even to all
  of those.


#135 of 239 by keesan on Sun Nov 30 22:05:01 2003:

Thanks.  Today I tried to compile photopc.  Unfortunately the author decided
to bundle the source code together with the dos and win binaries in a .zip
file.  We used pkunzip on it and it truncated a few file names which I
renamed.  It changed Makefile to makefile which I renamed.  It changed
config.h.in to config.h, which already existed, so we have to extract them
separately.  It compiled something anyway but now it is looking for
/dev/photopc as a device and I need to relearn how to set this up in some file
that defines devices.  Apparently I was supposed to edit Makefile but I did
not.  Configur(e) checked a few things about the computer.  Make made the
binary file. 

Which file do I define /dev/photopc in?  Not in my index (SW 3.2 book).
I knew this six months ago before I got sick.

THere is a Slackware infozip.tgz package with zip and unzip that will work
with DOS files, says my book.  I wish it would talk to me about defining
devices.   Might be time to takethis to jelly conf.


#136 of 239 by keesan on Sun Nov 30 23:13:33 2003:

I unzipped photopc.zip properly and looked at Makefile and there was nothing
to change (unless I wanted to compile for dos or win instead of unix/linux).
./configure gave me a long list of things about my computer and took 30
seconds. Make said 'all' and took 1 sec and produced photopc.  Make installput
photopc and another binary and some doc and man files where they belonged.
I had to type ln -s /dev/ttyS0 /dev/photopc for it to recognize the camera
in com1 as a device and it worked!!!

Thanks for explaining this.  It was simpler than I thought.
THe rpm program still won't work - can't find some dependencies that are on
my computer - so now I will compile antiword from source code instead ofusing
the precompiled rpm version.  Then lynx 2.8.5, which might take longer.
I compiled links at grex which took several hours.  It must help to be the
only user.


#137 of 239 by keesan on Mon Dec 1 01:52:53 2003:

I just compiled antiword (converts WORD 2-2002 to text or ps). 
There was no configure file so I could not configure.
There were lots of Makefile's for various UNIX platforms including one with
no file extension which turned out to be the default, for Linux.
I typed make and it made a bunch of .o files from the .c files as well as a
couple of executable files.
I typed make install and then ran the program.
This was incredibly fast, perhaps 2 minutes total.  
My first compiling experience (on grex - shared SunOS system which kicked me
offline every 15 minutes) was luckily atypical.  
Next I compile lynx and opera!


#138 of 239 by gull on Mon Dec 1 15:25:16 2003:

Re resp:127: Does Internet Explorer work?  If you're using Windows, Eudora
relies on the Internet Explorer DLLs to render HTML, so if your IE settings
are wrong you may have problems. (This also means you need to keep IE up to
date.  Any security holes in IE also tend to affect Eudora.)


#139 of 239 by bhoward on Tue Dec 2 23:04:17 2003:

Two quickies.

Is there an easy way to tell which conferences on grex are most (or most
recently) active?

Secondly, way back in the early days of picospan, we used to have a cool
little command that would show who was currently in which conferences...a
finger command of sorts for picospan.  As I recall it was highly specific
to the system iii unix we were running on the altos and disappeared due
to the difficulty of maintaining it.

Was this command ever revived?  It was a neat way to seeing "where the
action was" on a given evening of heavy conferencing.  I remember people
sometimes used it to sometimes create "flash crowds" in a conference
resulting in some very interesting item discussions (anyone remember tz?)


#140 of 239 by naftee on Tue Dec 2 23:12:44 2003:

Try check or checknew .  backtalk also has something like that for all
conferences.


#141 of 239 by remmers on Tue Dec 2 23:39:23 2003:

Re #139:  I remember the "who is in" command.  As far as I know, it's
long long gone.


#142 of 239 by tod on Tue Dec 2 23:42:10 2003:

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#143 of 239 by gelinas on Tue Dec 2 23:44:05 2003:

I recently stumbled across the "participant" command.  Interesting. :)


#144 of 239 by tod on Wed Dec 3 00:23:45 2003:

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#145 of 239 by goose on Wed Dec 3 04:24:17 2003:

I recently discovered "users". 


#146 of 239 by bhoward on Wed Dec 3 06:25:30 2003:

(Yeah, that's what I expected, John.  I've hacked up a script that
vaguely approximates it but it's too slow for the current hardware.
Maybe can try it again once we swap in nextgrex.

It's a pity picospan doesn't maintain it's own version of utmp that
could hold information like who is in what conferences, what item are
they currently reading, responding to, etc.  

Might make the conferencing system a bit more transparent and draw in
folks that currently only hang out in party by giving them a stronger
sense there is another place "where the action is")


#147 of 239 by remmers on Wed Dec 3 12:12:59 2003:

Might also raise some privacy concerns.


#148 of 239 by jep on Wed Dec 3 14:15:06 2003:

Dave Thaler put info about who logged in to what conference into YAPP, 
and as a result, the "participants" command for YAPP is speedy enough 
to be usable.  


#149 of 239 by twenex on Wed Dec 3 14:26:57 2003:

Re: 146: A program-specific *replacement* for utmp? How bogus; surely you mean
"A utmp-like file"?

How did a free (for non-members) system pay for System III? Running Linu, 3rd
Edition says that AT&T System V costs "around $1500", in 1999 (cue discussion
of the greediness of AT&T and the [formerly?] established system vendors).


#150 of 239 by bhoward on Wed Dec 3 14:56:12 2003:

My wording was poor; I meant "too bad it doesn't have its own
utmp-like file that could hold..."

Mike Myers was a very generous person and forked out a lot of money for
the altos...something on the order of USD30000 in 1984 dollars I believe.
I'm not certain what portion of that was hardware costs versus OS
licensing fees.  Given the era, I would guess the software was largely
thrown in and much of the cost was for the hardware.


#151 of 239 by tod on Wed Dec 3 17:05:15 2003:

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#152 of 239 by gregb on Wed Dec 3 18:43:37 2003:

1) What's the difference between "Hide" and "Unseen" in Backtalk?

2) In backtalk, is there a way to "ignore" a user?

3) Anybody aware of a bug in Mandrake 9.2 involving creating a bootkisk?
   I keep getting a "mkbootdisk failed" error during installation.  I'm
   also having trouble putting the bootloader on a floppy.  These
   problems DIDN'T exist in 9.1.


#153 of 239 by naftee on Wed Dec 3 19:03:07 2003:

backtalk should have a way to beat up other users.


#154 of 239 by twenex on Wed Dec 3 21:31:39 2003:

like naftee, dah/polytwerp, and sabre.


#155 of 239 by other on Wed Dec 3 21:38:24 2003:

In your personal settings, there is a twit filter option.  Go to 
"Entrance" and I think the link is there.


#156 of 239 by gregb on Thu Dec 4 15:11:45 2003:

Thanks.


#157 of 239 by mynxcat on Thu Dec 4 18:07:15 2003:

Re 155> Will this skip all items that have the person in my twit 
filter as the only new response? Or will it show me these items with 
their response hidden?


#158 of 239 by gregb on Thu Dec 4 18:22:34 2003:

I checked the Help pages and there was no mention of a "Twit" filter.  
Is this an undocumented option?

Speaking of the Help pages, it would be useful if there examples as to 
how these options are employed.


#159 of 239 by keesan on Thu Dec 4 19:03:20 2003:

Re 157 and 158, type ignore for Valerie's program and enter the names of your
twits when prompted.  I see all items where the twit was the only one to
respond recently, with a blank line instead of the response.  It does not skip
these items, unfortunately.  


#160 of 239 by gregb on Thu Dec 4 19:07:00 2003:

This won't work for Backtalk.


#161 of 239 by mynxcat on Thu Dec 4 20:36:38 2003:

Re 159> That is unfortunate since it doesn't serve the purpose I'd use 
it for :(


#162 of 239 by other on Fri Dec 5 05:34:39 2003:

Unfortunately, filters in Backtalk only hide responses from twits, 
not the fact that they responded.


#163 of 239 by mynxcat on Fri Dec 5 14:16:13 2003:

Is it feasible to change that? I do understand that staff is pretty 
busy though ...


#164 of 239 by aruba on Fri Dec 5 15:18:35 2003:

You should send mail to janc to request any Backtalk changes.  But, as you
said, he's pretty busy these days.


#165 of 239 by mynxcat on Fri Dec 5 15:22:22 2003:

K, thanks


#166 of 239 by naftee on Fri Dec 5 16:30:38 2003:

janc canht even maintain his test backtalk site.


#167 of 239 by albaugh on Wed Dec 10 17:47:41 2003:

Last night was the second restaurant I noticed seeing U007 on the cash
register display while it was in "idle" mode.  Other that saying "You are
James Bond" :-) does anyone know why that particular string shows?


#168 of 239 by albaugh on Wed Dec 10 17:48:54 2003:

Does anyone have an opinion on what it means when your hot water heater has
entered a mode where its pilot light goes out about once a month?


#169 of 239 by glenda on Wed Dec 10 17:54:05 2003:

Time for maintenance call.


#170 of 239 by albaugh on Wed Dec 10 17:55:43 2003:

What would the maintenance accomplish?  Cleaning of something to prevent, for
example, unobstructed flow of gas to burner?  Or a range of things the "guy"
might check for?


#171 of 239 by glenda on Wed Dec 10 18:22:02 2003:

Best case is the gas nozzle to the pilot is a bit clogged and a simple
cleaning will take care of it.  Worse case is the the furnace in on the way
out and needs to be replaced.


#172 of 239 by albaugh on Wed Dec 10 19:07:35 2003:

Both the furnace (not involved) and the hot water heater are ~2 years old.


#173 of 239 by gull on Wed Dec 10 19:09:03 2003:

Could be a bad thermocouple, too, couldn't it?  Usually there's one that
connects to the gas valve, to shut off the gas flow if the pilot goes out. 


#174 of 239 by tod on Wed Dec 10 19:22:18 2003:

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#175 of 239 by goose on Wed Dec 10 20:55:15 2003:

I second that, tod.


#176 of 239 by jmsaul on Thu Dec 11 00:54:35 2003:

I third it.  Speaking as someone who had a carbon monoxide problem and didn't
know it.


#177 of 239 by mcnally on Thu Dec 11 01:16:01 2003:

  The local newspaper here in Ketchikan had a story this week about a
  family who died from CO poisoning due to a furnace defect.


#178 of 239 by jmsaul on Thu Dec 11 01:23:38 2003:

Fortunately, our house is pretty drafty, and it hadn't gotten quite that bad
yet.  We all just thought we had the flu.


#179 of 239 by keesan on Thu Dec 11 02:36:30 2003:

You can buy carbon monoxide detectors.


#180 of 239 by bhoward on Thu Dec 11 07:28:31 2003:

They are required in Japan.  Can't get gas service unless one is installed.


#181 of 239 by davel on Thu Dec 11 14:58:18 2003:

My own experience is that in a furnace the thermocouple is a very likely
cause, & is pretty easily replaced in many cases.  I've never had one go out
on a water heater, though.  (My guess on that has always been that they
deteriorate with the higher temp in the furnace, but this is just a guess.)


#182 of 239 by other on Thu Dec 11 15:27:27 2003:

Ditto the comments on the thermocouple.  $8-$12 for the part, and 40 
minutes max with a little contortionism to replace it, depending on 
unit placement.


#183 of 239 by goose on Thu Dec 11 15:28:59 2003:

One of my best friends was killed by CO poisoning back in 1997.  His mother
and her boyfriend also perished.  Please get yourself a CO detector if you
have gas appliances.  In this situation it was a defective water heater,
and just like with Joe they thought they had contracted the flu. (best guess
by the medical examiner, based on medicines consumed, etc.)


#184 of 239 by micklpkl on Thu Dec 11 16:43:11 2003:

Where is the best place to put these carbon monoxide detectors? Near the
appliance, or in the living areas? I have a gas fired furnace and water heater
in the garage, and a gas oven in the kitchen. Should I get two detectors?


#185 of 239 by tod on Thu Dec 11 19:34:15 2003:

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#186 of 239 by happyboy on Thu Dec 11 20:22:22 2003:

zactly...we have one in the bedroom


#187 of 239 by gelinas on Thu Dec 11 20:55:33 2003:

If all the smoke-detectors are linked together, and a CO detector can be added
to the system, it might make more sense to put it near the possible sources
of the CO.


#188 of 239 by goose on Thu Dec 11 21:03:38 2003:

Good question.  It is my understanding that CO is heavier than 'air', so they
should be close to the floor.  We have one outside the two first floor
bedrooms, plugged into an outlet about 1ft off the floor.


#189 of 239 by jmsaul on Fri Dec 12 01:15:09 2003:

We have CO detectors... now.  Including one rigged to our security system,
so it gets called in.

In our case, our heat exchanger was basically coming apart.  The leak was
probably pretty slow, because we'd been feeling draggy for days -- also, as
I said, we have a drafty house.  What saved us was that the gas ewnt out
because of a problem up the street.  We woke up, way too early, freezing our
asses off... and felt GREAT.

We didn't put it together until the gas company showed up to turn our furnace
back on, took a look at it, and condemned it.


#190 of 239 by aruba on Fri Dec 12 01:46:26 2003:

Wow, I'm glad you were OK, Joe.  When I last looked for a CO detector, it
cost about $45.  Is that about what one should expect to pay?


#191 of 239 by bhoward on Fri Dec 12 01:57:06 2003:

Yeah, that sounds about like what we payed (in the yen-equiv.)

It's pretty scarey how quietly that kind of poisoning can sneak
up on you.  In this regard, the general drafty-ness of homes
here may actually be a blessing of sorts.


#192 of 239 by rcurl on Fri Dec 12 01:59:00 2003:

C (12) + O (16) = 28 for the molecular weight of CO. That of std air is
ca. 29.9.  Hence CO is *slightly* lighter than air. I would expect,
however, that the difference is not significant and the CO would mix with
the air without stratification. Other sources of air circulation (drafts,
temperature differences, the furnace blower, etc) would be more than
sufficient to ensure good mixing.



#193 of 239 by gelinas on Fri Dec 12 01:59:07 2003:

(Is CO in fact heavier than air?  Would a combined CO/smoke/fire detector
mounted on the ceiling of the furnace room NOT be a good idea?)


#194 of 239 by gelinas on Fri Dec 12 02:00:05 2003:

(Rane slipped in with the answer I needed. :)


#195 of 239 by keesan on Fri Dec 12 03:15:03 2003:

My apartment had a gas stove. I replaced it with my own electric stove.  Gas
stoves are the greatest source of carbon monoxide because they put it directly
into the living space, not up a chimney.  Children in houses with gas stoves
get more respiratory illnesses.  (Also those in houses with smokers, who
effluent also does not go directly up a chimney).  


#196 of 239 by bhoward on Fri Dec 12 03:20:44 2003:

You don't (didn't) have a vent above the gas stove?


#197 of 239 by keesan on Fri Dec 12 03:38:25 2003:

No vent, and even if there is a vent not all the carbon monoxide would go up
it.  Lots would go sideways.  Pilot lights produced even more.  City code does
not require venting gas stoves in apartments.  

A friend with a large house (3000 square feet) which is old and leaky got a
detector, detected gas on the third floor, and continues to use the gas stove.
It has a fan in the wall near it and now he leaves the window open too.  The
oven produced more monoxide than all four burners together, possibly because
it does not get as much air.  


#198 of 239 by goose on Fri Dec 12 03:44:15 2003:

RE#192 -- thanks for clarifying, Rane.


#199 of 239 by slynne on Fri Dec 12 04:29:05 2003:

I have a gas stove and no vent. I dont cook much though. I have a CO 
detecter on the wall by the basement stairs. I have a very drafty house 
so hopefully I'll be ok. I should probably get my furnace inspected. IT 
is old. 


#200 of 239 by rcurl on Fri Dec 12 05:41:07 2003:

Gas stoves do not produce hazardous levels of CO if they are operated
properly. See also http://www.epa.gov/iaq/co.html 





#201 of 239 by phani on Fri Dec 12 11:21:31 2003:

hai jana annna....


#202 of 239 by willcome on Fri Dec 12 11:49:35 2003:

hai


#203 of 239 by gull on Fri Dec 12 15:28:35 2003:

I have a CO detector in my bedroom.  I also use a CO detector card in my
car.  It's not very expensive, and it's a good idea if you have an older
car.


#204 of 239 by jmsaul on Sat Dec 13 02:32:31 2003:

Re #190:  $40 would be about right.

If you're going to use a gas stove, vent it properly (i.e. with a fan) and
you'll be fine.


#205 of 239 by albaugh on Mon Dec 15 15:37:34 2003:

Just bought a battery powered (9v) CO alarm for ~$20.  It shows the various
places where alarms can go, starting near the water heater & furnance, then
the main floor, then near sleeping quarters.  Then there are words about
recommending them be close to sleeping quarters, and having one on every
floor.  Obviously they'd like to sell you 3, not just 1.  Living in a 2-story
ranch, it is my thought to put the detector in the laundry room, close to the
source of possible CO leaks.  Thoughts?


#206 of 239 by albaugh on Mon Dec 15 15:49:24 2003:

I want Santa to bring me a ~$100 Casio keyboard that has 100 tones and "MIDI".
That's all the bullet point says:  "MIDI".  I assume that means it has a MIDI
interface capable of connection to a computer (PC).  I would like to "drive"
the keyboard from my PC, to make use of its 100 tones.  I'm assuming that's
pretty basic MIDI fare.  Unfortunately, the people on duty at Best Buy last
night didn't know anything.  Not only that, they didn't seem to have any MIDI
controller cards for a PC.

I'm assuming that I should be able to get a MIDI controller for $30-$50,
nothing fancy.  I assume that I could get such a small beast at CompUSA.
Any recommendations?

P.S. What do I have in mind, mainly?  To assist in my composing / arranging
(for concert band) hobby, being able to hear (approximately) the
instrumentation etc.


#207 of 239 by scott on Mon Dec 15 16:32:26 2003:

Your sound card probably already has a MIDI interface built in... the usual
connector is the 15 pin D connector for the joystick.  You'll just need a
special cable to get MIDI froum that.


#208 of 239 by gull on Mon Dec 15 17:15:26 2003:

Re resp:205:  I put mine in my bedroom, on the theory that it'd be more
likely to wake me up that way if it went off in the middle of the night.
 It's the CO level where I am that I care about, not the CO level next
to the furnace.


#209 of 239 by mynxcat on Mon Dec 15 18:22:38 2003:

Re 206> My suggestion - if you're buying anything from CompUSA, be 
absolutely certain it's what you need, and it will do the job BEFORE 
you open it. Once opened, CompUSA charges a 15% restocking fee. 
Extremely annoying


#210 of 239 by albaugh on Mon Dec 15 20:18:44 2003:

OK, I will check my existing sound card for a DB15 connector.  Let's pretend
it doesn't have one.  Is a MIDM DB15 connector pretty standard for sound cards
these days?  And is that to say that one doesn't normally get a "standalone"
MIDI card, one gets a sound card with a MIDI connector?


#211 of 239 by mcnally on Mon Dec 15 20:36:08 2003:

 I think what's most common these days is either a sound-card MIDI connector
 or a USB-to-MIDI converter box..


#212 of 239 by gull on Tue Dec 16 00:26:31 2003:

You're probably better off buying it just about anywhere except CompUSA,
too.  Their prices are ridiculous, especially on cables.  They're a last
resort when I really need something, no one else has it, and I can't
wait to mail order it.


#213 of 239 by twenex on Tue Dec 16 09:07:07 2003:

The kind of place that would employ people who say "We don't sell RAM
any more because it slows computers down"?


#214 of 239 by tpryan on Thu Dec 18 20:37:00 2003:

        You might want to check out Guitar Center, Ford Road in Canton, MI
They have a good selection of that sort of stuff, and most staff should
be able to help you.
        Never thought it would be a geek store of a different flavor
when you start looking at the tech gear.


#215 of 239 by scott on Thu Dec 18 22:53:31 2003:

I'd start closer to A2, at Music-go-Round.  They probably help a lot of
newbies get MIDI stuff going, and I'm sure they're smarter than the nice folks
at Gui-tard Center.


#216 of 239 by tod on Thu Dec 18 22:57:30 2003:

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#217 of 239 by other on Thu Dec 18 23:10:35 2003:

Best Buy?  You mean the idiots who subpoenaed Grex for posting year-
old public information?


#218 of 239 by gull on Thu Dec 18 23:40:47 2003:

I can't say I've ever found Best Buy personnel to be experts in any
field except cash register button pushing.


#219 of 239 by jmsaul on Thu Dec 18 23:54:13 2003:

Re #217:  I don't remember that story.  Do tell?


#220 of 239 by goose on Fri Dec 19 01:04:21 2003:

Yes, please do tell.


#221 of 239 by davel on Fri Dec 19 02:46:48 2003:

I don't remember it either.


#222 of 239 by rcurl on Fri Dec 19 06:11:49 2003:

A Best Buy floor clerk found what I asked for on the second try. 


#223 of 239 by gull on Fri Dec 19 15:04:58 2003:

The story, as I recall it, is Best Buy sent a subpoena to Grex demanding
we reveal the identity of a user who had posted prices for their
Thanksgiving Day sale.  (This was before Thanksgiving.)  On closer
examination, the prices turned out to be from *last* year's sale.


#224 of 239 by other on Fri Dec 19 15:57:29 2003:

They apparently sent out blanket subpoenas to any sites which came 
up on a search for "best buy" and "black friday" without doing any 
further selection narrowing.


#225 of 239 by mcnally on Fri Dec 19 17:53:09 2003:

  Did anyone file a complaint against them for abuse of process?


#226 of 239 by mynxcat on Fri Dec 19 18:10:33 2003:

Re 224> They'd have to have a little more criteria than that, or 
they'd come up with a whole lot of irrelevant sites


#227 of 239 by gull on Fri Dec 19 18:47:50 2003:

Re resp:225: Would we be likely to benefit from that in any way that
would make up for the attorney fees?

Re resp:226: Irrelevent sites like Grex? ;>


#228 of 239 by mynxcat on Fri Dec 19 19:01:50 2003:

I meant that they'd have to have criteria that asked for "prices" per 
se. Or they'd be sub-poenaing people who wrote "I'm going to Best Buy 
for black friday" in their blogs.


#229 of 239 by scott on Fri Dec 19 19:07:12 2003:

Depends on the ethics of the lawyers who were hired to research the problem
and send out the letters, I suppose.


#230 of 239 by tod on Fri Dec 19 23:41:31 2003:

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#231 of 239 by albaugh on Tue Dec 23 18:21:19 2003:

On the radio, Roto Rooter advertises some kind of "no digging of trench"
solution for permanent replacement (?) of sewer line.  Does anyone know what
it is they do?  How effective it is?  Etc.?


#232 of 239 by tod on Tue Dec 23 18:25:55 2003:

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#233 of 239 by gull on Tue Dec 23 18:39:10 2003:

I've heard of lines being replaced by running new pipe inside the old. 
I don't know much about the process, though.


#234 of 239 by tod on Tue Dec 23 18:51:45 2003:

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#235 of 239 by other on Tue Dec 23 19:51:48 2003:

As I understand it, they use the new 802.11ex standard to transmit 
your sewage wirelessly to the city system.


#236 of 239 by twenex on Tue Dec 23 20:04:57 2003:

<twenex laughs out loud>


#237 of 239 by tod on Tue Dec 23 21:26:56 2003:

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#238 of 239 by drew on Tue Dec 23 23:02:41 2003:

<makes note to be cautous about running Kismet.>


#239 of 239 by gull on Fri Dec 26 14:37:39 2003:

Re resp:235: LOL.


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