Miss Lynch, who was serving as an Army supply clerk, suffered broken bones and other injuries when her convoy was ambushed after taking a wrong turn near the Iraqi town of Nasiriya on 23 March. The Pentagon initially put out the story that Private Lynch - a slight woman who was just 19 at the time - had been wounded by Iraqi gunfire but had kept fighting until her ammunition ran out. But she told Sawyer that she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, and that her gun had jammed during the chaos. "I'm not about to take credit for something I didn't do," she said. "I did not shoot - not a round, nothing. I went down praying to my knees - that's the last thing I remember." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3251731.stm67 responses total.
I admire that she had the courage to come out with the truth and contradict the mighty Pentagon. Thats heroic indeed. Few people let go of the free credit that comes their way.
Some guy on The Daily Show said he was having trouble deciding whether to watch the Jessica Lynch special or the Elizabeth Smart special. On balance, he said, he's decided to watch the Jessica Lynch special because "my fanatsies about Jessica Lynch seem somehow more, um, legal."
The MILITARY is manipulating NEWS REPORTS?!! I'm SHOCKED, absolutely SHOCKED!!
I do not know who to believe on the story, I am not sure I even believe her. Chalk it up to the fog of war.
Why wouldn't you believe her, Bruce?
Especially considering she's making a claim that some would consider detrimental to her celebrity.
re #5: because her first-person testimony conflicts with what he'd prefer to believe?
because she has changed what she said. Originally there was no rape, now there is. She seems to shy away from fame one minute and chase it the next. I dont know bu5t what teh celebrity is causing her problems.
She never claimed rape and still denies any memory of being raped. Its the US military which is saying that during her medical examination they found evidence that she had been raped. Its the US military which did not say anything about a rape initially (the story's hero's rape might not have sounded too good).
re8: well bruce, next time you are taken in a military action and wounded and raped, try dealing with the media try sharing your feelings about the brutality of what occured. i don't begrudge her ANY AMOUNT of confusion considering what she probably went through. you should be ashamed of yourself, stink-o, what kind of line would you be spouting if it werw YOUR DAUGHTER going through this instead of ms. lynch?
Hmm... I'm getting a definite whiff of "she's just a hysterical female; of course she's confused about what happened" from a couple people now.
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All of this was very well explained last night on 60 Minutes. Jessica was incapacitated by the Hummer's crash into the semi. A mechanic from the outfit hustled up the road into a bunker, and shot several Iraqis trying to mortar the trucks. A colonel in his command determined that he was the only person in her ~2,000 person command that had earned the Silver Star for bravery. During the episode a US spokeswoman said that due to misreporting / mistranslation (she instead of he) the blonde Jessica was mistakenly deemed to be the blonde US soldier who fought to his last round and was shot & stabbed to death.
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My understanding was the military had no knowledge she was raped. We are getting information from many sources much of it conflicting, which is what happens with the fog of war. She also is writing a book (has written?) that is coming out and sets a different tone from her previous conversations. I agree with tod, the media are vultures.
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re11: if she is confused and traumatized it makes no difference to me if she is a woman, man, or transgender, what she went through was horrible and she needs to be listened to, or left alone if that's what she wants. re16: shut up, dumbass.
I missed the Elizabeth Smart movie??!! Damn! Now that's one creepy story.
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Ew.. creepier than I thought... (I take it the little girl you mention wasn't Elizabeth?)
According to the Time magazine article I read today after checking this item, Jessica does not recall the three hours after she was injured and when she showed up at the hospital, and that is when it's conjectured that a rape happened. She was told at the US military hospital that some of her injuries were due to that, and it is really squicky that someone did that to a person with broken legs and other injuries. (Though it's nasty no matter what...) Her parents were the ones who told the journalist who wrote the bio, since they wanted it on record that she'd been treated that way.
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SHAVING PRIVATE"S CLYNCH! AHAHAHAHAHahahaha
Re #16, you are the one who's confused because apparently you didn't even bother to read the news reports. Its all very clearly reported out there as to who said what. Its no *fog* of the war situation. A rough timeline ================ 1. US military rescues Private Lynch in a commando operation. States that they were given insider information by an Iraqi lawyer about the whereabouts of Ms.Lynch. 2. US military says she fought to her last bullet and got captured. At this point they say nothing about the rape. Lynch says nothing (I guess mostly coz she's still an the rolls of the army) 3. Ms.Lynch leaves the army and writes a book. Says that she never fired any bullets and her group lost its way and walked into the ambush (This part was reported by BBC earlier too citing a US Army inquiry report) 4. US military now says that during her medical examination it had turned out that she might've been raped. The Iraqi doctor who examined her says he did not find any evidence of rape but also says that he wasn't looking for rape evidence. 5. Ms. Lynch says that she has no memory of what happened to her in the three hours she was unconscious after the capture.
60 minuets had a pretty good exposition of this series of events. the intercpeted radio transmissions (iraqui) stated *SHE* kept firing. teh presumptoin (first reports are always wrong) was obviously lynch or johnson or ... ?????? .... teh description was 'blonde' so it might have been a male!!! soem burr-head dude fofed a whole damn mortar site .. blonde, btw. war is hell. inserting *complimetnary* dialouge isnt' nearly as slanderous as conjuring hostile dialouge. attributing such dialouge is unfurtunate as well as udnersatndable. not enough time/evaluation has taken place to get it all right. however, these are *sweeps weeks* for teh dying newtwrok television stations.
And here is the real fog of war http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3260473.stm ------------------------------------------------------ By the end of the day, 1/2 marines had seized both bridges, but 18 of them were dead - all from Charlie company. Scores more were injured. It was the heaviest loss of life for an individual US unit since the Mogadishu debacle of 1993. But the story of 1/2 marines is seldom heard amid all the focus on Jessica Lynch and her disputed rescue. Some I spoke to after the war expressed their frustration at the way the media had concentrated on the 20-year-old army private. ------------------------------------------------------
The Iraqi lawyer was interviewed on Scarborough Country last night and Scarborough was making a big thing of Lynch not having telephoned the lawyer yet to thank him. I think the lawyer was embarrassed by this too.
Ain't Larry Flynt a nice guy: NEW YORK -- Pornographer Larry Flynt says he bought nude photos of Pfc. Jessica Lynch last month to publish in Hustler magazine, but changed his mind because she is a "good kid ... and a victim of the Bush administration." The photos, which purportedly show the undressed Army supply clerk posing with male soldiers, were sold to Flynt last month, according to a statement from Flynt that was read to The Associated Press Tuesday by his publicist. The publicist, who would not give her name, said Flynt "has no plans to use the photos." "Jessica Lynch is a good kid, she's not a hypocrite or out to fool anyone," Flynt's statement said. "She's just a victim of the Bush administration, who is using her to justify the war in Iraq and force-feed us a Joan of Arc."
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and what is larry flint doing by announcing he has the prints? Could he be ...EXPLOITING... her for fun and profit?
why are you so worried about her now, dummy? i thought you said she was lying about being raped.!
<sarcasm> So when do I see her on the cover of Playboy or Penthouse? </sarcasm>
Why does she even have nude pictures out? Or are these pictures from the rescue?
I never called her a liar. Just that with all the stories floating around I do not know who to believe. Flynt says she and some of the other girls in her unit posed for the pictures befor they left. (not for him, but for fellow recruits) One of them obviously thought more of Flynts money than of the impact on a fellow serviceman.
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re35: you should give her the benefit of the doubt, dummy.
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Re #35: Capitalism at work.
listened to flynt state that 'if she calls me i will give her the pics' yes, capitalism at its best ... lynch .. CALL flynt!!!!
Definately. If she calls and gets them back she might be able to sell them to a higher bidder. ;>
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who thiks the mobshot jessic lynch? hell, she is from *palistine*! ,
In overy ittem i hav red tooday i have scene a risponse from tsty, al misspolled. Is this supposed to give us confidence, hmm?
I have seen seven blanks in a row, thanks to my twit filter. Someone let me know when he starts using a spell checker.
Heh.
Why do I see "view ignored response" instead of tsty's response?? ;)
Re#45, go easy on that twit filter, Sindi. Self-censorship is, after all, still censorship with all the drawbacks. Heh, who knows whether this is reaching you even. :) Anyways .....
There are books that I choose not to read because I know from experience that I don't care for the author. That's not "censorship" (which I define as somebody else deciding not to let me read something), it's me making a choice about how I will spend my time. Why should bbs responses be any different?
Good point, remmers. Profs 1, Visitors 0
There are probably books one *should* read, even if one doesn't "care for the author". That said, however, I don't know of any twits here that one *should* read.
Textbooks being a case in point, if you're a student. But I was speaking of discretionary reading.
Creationists probably *should* read books on evolution by scientists, even if they don't "care for the authors".
ROTFLMAO. My agreeable mood continues....
And evolutionists ought to read more books on the subject of intelligent design?????????
They did. That's part of why they're evolutionists.
OT - The "Blind Watchmaker" by Richard Dawkins talks how the design behind evolution is very sophisticated yet unplanned. Re #49, my point was that unless you are really hardpressed for time, it doesn't hurt to know other people's point of view, no matter how ridiculous they sound to you (provided they have one).
i guess the cancer survivor doesn't know about the tiwt flitter .... heh-heh.
"Intelligent design" has been overwhelmingly should to be unsupported by evolutionists that DO read their books. The IDists, however, appear not to have read a word of evolution science, much less produced any evidence opposing evolution science.
Your first sentence makes no sernse whatsoever.
Re #57: I would never filter someone whose point of view I didn't already know.
Re #60: Change the "should" to "shown" and it makes more sense.
Quite right; good idea.
Wouldn't one suppose that the vast proportion of those who support Intelligent Design have had much more exposure to Evolution than vice versa? (The situation would be analagous to the fact that Jews living in America generally know much more about Christianity than Christians in America know about Judaism.)
My experience with a lot of lay people who argue theories like that is that they outright refuse to read books about evolution and the like, because they feel those are works of the Devil.
Thanks, gull. (That was an unlikely typo - the wrong letters aren't near each other. Must have happened in the brain....) The IDists have heard of evolution from the popular media, but don't study the evidence. They like the metaphors (watches imply a watchmaker) more than the facts.
man, those whores have gfoood MARIHUANA/
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