Grex Agora47 Conference

Item 147: Should cross be on staff?

Entered by willcome on Mon Nov 3 21:12:50 2003:

Here're some exerts of cross (aka tenser) in M-Net party:

  "tenser:   I'm not worried about getting things working.
  tenser:   What I *am* worried about is getting the rest of grex's 
staff convinced to do it a different way."

Note how he'd rather play politics than actually get things working.

  "tenser:   It's a big issue; Marcus carries a lot of weight with 
staff.
  tenser:   Marcus likes to do things his way.
  tenser:   However, Marcus has been MIA for a long while now, which 
is why there's an opportunity to replace things
  tenser:   That's why I see now as a real opportunity. ...[He] 
carries too much weight with staff."

I don't see why he should be on staff, if he's plotting to replace one 
of Grex's greatest active staff members.

  "tenser:   We don't *need* guidance, we need persuation."

He's yet again bringing un-Grex-like attitudes to, of all places, Grex.

  "<tenser:tenser wishes Mermaid would disappear so he could talk to 
jp2 in peace.>"

I'll admit this is only tangentially related to his duties as staff, 
but note how rude he is to a gentlelady who did nothing disruptive.  
Also note how jp2's again involved in some form or another of 
scandalry.

  "tenser:   The technical issues are non-issues; I know how to do it 
right
  tenser:   The big issue, though, is convincing everyone else to do 
it right."

Does that sound like something a team-player would say?

  "tenser:   I'm not convinced that's the way to go, but I do know 
grex as it currently stands is a real mess."

Do you REALLY think that about YOUR community?  I think the only mess 
here is that tenser was ever allowed to become part of staff.
42 responses total.
#1 of 42 by willcome on Mon Nov 3 21:17:29 2003:

Sorry for the bad formatting, folks!

#2 of 42 by rcurl on Mon Nov 3 21:50:39 2003:

I see nothing wrong with tenser's comments. Every organization needs some
abrasion. He is still just one vote among many, and may indeed get people
to think about things rather than just go along with the founders or the
"team-players" (if everyone is a "team-player" it is not likely that new
*original* ideas will arise, since they almost always arise in
contention).

#3 of 42 by krj on Mon Nov 3 22:00:46 2003:

I hear a giant whining sound coming from the Great Frozen North.

#4 of 42 by willcome on Mon Nov 3 22:07:51 2003:

Maybe you didn't notice how he's PLOTTING behind YOUR back, rcurl, and how
he was rude to mermaid.

#5 of 42 by mynxcat on Mon Nov 3 23:03:42 2003:

We have nothing to go by with your statement that mermaid was not being a
pest. And that statement was not rude, it was a wish. Like , I wish polytarp
would act his age. Not rude at all.

I don't see any conspiracy. If there was, I know Dan is smart enough to cover
his tracks, rather than talk about it openly on mnet

#6 of 42 by willcome on Mon Nov 3 23:13:03 2003:

Smart people don't do bad things, mynxcat, and anyone can verify that mermaid
wasn't doing anything bad just by looking at the logs.

#7 of 42 by cross on Tue Nov 4 01:32:56 2003:

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#8 of 42 by russ on Tue Nov 4 01:54:19 2003:

forget

#9 of 42 by goose on Tue Nov 4 02:26:32 2003:

cross should be elected king

#10 of 42 by willcome on Tue Nov 4 02:58:57 2003:

I'm sad to see cross can't take this important item seriously.

#11 of 42 by other on Tue Nov 4 03:48:58 2003:

The funniest part about #7 is the image of someone trying to swing a 
fire axe in the Pumpkin.

#12 of 42 by willcome on Tue Nov 4 04:23:25 2003:

And even that's not funny.

#13 of 42 by jaklumen on Tue Nov 4 05:31:49 2003:

Oh, I dunno.  Having been there (at the Pumpkin), I'm trying to 
imagine it.

#14 of 42 by pvn on Tue Nov 4 06:02:30 2003:

"Age and cunning overcomes youth and talent"

I don't think marcus has anything to worry about as he also has talent
as well.

#15 of 42 by cross on Tue Nov 4 06:19:11 2003:

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#16 of 42 by gull on Tue Nov 4 14:53:48 2003:

It's funnier if you imagine it with the Ominous Music and the Serious
Announcer Guy from political campaign ads.

#17 of 42 by cross on Tue Nov 4 22:51:00 2003:

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#18 of 42 by jp2 on Wed Nov 5 00:17:24 2003:

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#19 of 42 by other on Wed Nov 5 04:54:26 2003:

You're conspiring to conspire!

#20 of 42 by cross on Wed Nov 5 17:57:38 2003:

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#21 of 42 by twenex on Sun Nov 9 09:48:46 2003:

Cross was elected to be an admin, not be a team-player.

He was also elected according to procedure. If you want him out, use
procedure, not potentially libellous gossip.

When was hte last time a sycophant impproved the lot of his
constituents?

#22 of 42 by naftee on Mon Nov 10 01:16:53 2003:

Uhm, yesterday?

#23 of 42 by jaklumen on Mon Nov 10 02:22:17 2003:

Sorry, I'm with twenex on this one.  Boo-hoo.

#24 of 42 by mynxcat on Mon Nov 10 19:17:28 2003:

I didn't know there was an "election" to get cross on staff. Was it a 
staff election.

#25 of 42 by tod on Mon Nov 10 19:28:28 2003:

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#26 of 42 by gelinas on Mon Nov 10 19:31:17 2003:

It's not so much an election.  The staff discuss the need for additional
people and come to consensus on who those people should be.  They then
make a recommendation to the Board of Directors, which has to approve
'root' access for individuals.

#27 of 42 by tod on Mon Nov 10 19:32:25 2003:

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#28 of 42 by gelinas on Mon Nov 10 19:34:11 2003:

Sort of, but you said it while I was drafting and proofreading my response.

#29 of 42 by scott on Mon Nov 10 20:14:08 2003:

More like a nomination by committee.

#30 of 42 by naftee on Tue Nov 11 04:50:03 2003:

More like Gay Pride Day

#31 of 42 by twenex on Wed Nov 12 11:02:13 2003:

OK, then. co-option. Anyway, it wasn't voodoo.

#32 of 42 by twenex on Wed Nov 12 18:38:40 2003:

re: 7: Well, that proves it; the conspiracy theories are BS. We all know
you're conspiring to replace GREX with Plan 9, not the successor to
late-lamented Red Hat ;-).

#33 of 42 by tod on Wed Nov 12 18:58:25 2003:

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#34 of 42 by gull on Thu Nov 13 19:16:01 2003:

Plan 9 will make your whites whiter, and your colors brighter.

#35 of 42 by tsty on Fri Nov 14 07:55:35 2003:

plan 9 will keep your toilets clean *and* make yoru drains flow freely.

#36 of 42 by willcome on Fri Nov 14 08:50:43 2003:

Should cross be on staff?  I think the answer is no.

#37 of 42 by naftee on Fri Nov 14 14:20:05 2003:

Isn't he off the staff?

#38 of 42 by gelinas on Fri Nov 14 15:16:59 2003:

I've seen evidence that he has stopped working on grex.  I'm still hoping he
will change his mind.

#39 of 42 by mynxcat on Fri Nov 14 15:17:52 2003:

I haven't seen him post in a while :(

#40 of 42 by tsty on Tue Nov 18 06:29:30 2003:

grex has a cross to bear .. adn i hope it does ....

#41 of 42 by gull on Tue Nov 18 14:54:22 2003:

"Come down off that cross, we could use the wood." -- Tom Waits. :>

#42 of 42 by willcome on Thu Nov 27 08:29:26 2003:

COME DOWN IN A WHORE, "JAmzes Joynce"

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