So apparently they are going to look into teh relationship be tween Mary Magdelene and Jesus on a tv special looking into the DaVinci Code on ABC tonight. Speculation is that Davinci was a member of a secret society of the church that kept certain information secret, including the possibility that they had children and the location of the holy grail. Also mentioned is that scene outside the tomb where the risen jesus tells Mary "do not touch me", which correctly translated says "do not cling to me" suggsting a more intimate relationship. What do you think?51 responses total.
I think that it's pretty odd to think that a 30-year old man did not have a wife/companion and kids.
Hey now, some of us just haven't gotten around to it yet. :)
I should clarify - back in that time.
According to the new testament by Biff, Christ's childhood best friend, also known as "Lamb", Jesus was too busy rocketing around learning cool things in the rest of the mysterious East to have a wife/children. (It's a hysterically funny book, and oddly enough not exactly counter to the Biblical accounts.)
For the authoratative word on the Magdalene Cult, everybody should play the computer game "Gabriel Knight 3: Blood of the Sacred, Blood of the Damned." In addition to the question of whether Jesus and Mary Magdalene had kids, vampires get into the act. As an added bonus you get Tim Curry as the voice of Gabriel Knight.
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I think it is all just legend and invented mythology. There is no historical evidence that Jesus even existed and also none that any of the things attributed to Jesus happened (although I grant that *something* happened back then that started all the legends).
How nice of you to "grant" that.
The DaVinci code theories are steeped in Gnosticism. I discount everything about them.
It was a fun read, though.
Re #8: I say I grant that something happened because when I don't people say, "well, *something* must have happened", which is correct, so I grant it in advance so no one will start that argument (but it never fails that someone does anyway). However, what is your basis for your sarcasm, edina? You don't know any more than I do about it.
Frankly, I thought "The DaVinci Code" was terrible. One of the worst books I've read in years. Awful dialogue, completely stupid plot, piss-poor historical research. If you're looking for something in that genre written by someone who has a clue what they are talking about and can actually write, check out Umberto Eco's "Foucault's Pendulum".
Yeah, I enjoyed the book, but he's not a great writer. THe other book he wrote with the same character has an almost identical plot.
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Heck, they even found his brothers remains. (No, I am not kidding.)
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No, Howard was the lawyer. The guy they dug up was Arnold. He was a plumber -- bad career choice back in those days.
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Re #15: Some real question about that, though.
"Arnold, ah PLUMMAH?? What are you, meshuggah? Plumbing won't even be invented for another fifteen hundred yearsenen! Such a putz I married!!"
Hey! what can I tell you. Mary Magdalene was Jesus wife, his brothers tombstone was found, Did any of the apostles exist or are thay all figments of someones imagination as well? And what about rome? They have a lot of history about rome, most of it about emperors, but you will find they have some information on very minor figures as well. The bible does not stand alone as it did in the 17th century when everybody believed the world was created in 4004 B.C. Time ha smoved on and we now know much more about history, from many sources.
None of those you name above have any verified historical existence. Biblical scholars agree that most of the specifics of the bible are legendary stories without historical evidence. Places can be identified and some major characters. But what do you expect? History was mostly oral, and we know how stories evolve as time goes on, and nothing was written down until fifty years after the purported events. By that time it had become embelished to suit contemporary purposes. There is a lot of recorded history about the Roman empire - contemporary histories were written, statues were carved, edicts were engraved, mosaics were constructed. But things were different out in the boondocks, where literacy was rare.
any roman edicts issued against the Christians? any leaders named? Pontius Pilot didn't exist?
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Thats what this item is about, the idea that Christ married Mary Magdelene.
That she is the Holy Grail, ( I am not going into the sexual inuendo that
leads to her being the cup of Christ), and the mother of his child. (Lets
really get into the Divine Right of kings here)
I am not saying I support any of these conclusions. But there are a lot of
things that can be looked at.
Did he marry Mary? I don't know. But is it impossible?
did he have children? I don't know. But is it impossible?
Did Christ exist? Yes. There is evidence to support his existence outside
the bible.
Did he have brothers and sisters? There is some evidence that this is true,
but you will not find it in the Bible.
Pontius Pilot existed. Herod Existed. Ceaser existed. It is amazing just
how much evidence there is that many of the stories in the Bible may have
happened. The new testament is a lot easier to prove than the stories in the
old testament. Hey! It was only 2000 years ago.
(Bruce, I'm curious what you mean by "Did he have brothers and sisters? There is some evidence that this is true, but you will not find it in the Bible." I can think of at least one reference to siblings in the Gospels.)
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I think the divine right of kings is an idea pretty well understood by NON-crackpot historians.
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One of the crazy theories advocated in the book that started all this nonsense is that one of the French dynasties (Salian? Can't remember) was descended from Jesus and Mary Magdalene's love child, and that the Divine Right of Kings was based on this descent.
If the hokey conspiracy stuff in Robert Anton Wilson's books is the same hokey conspiracy stuff here, I believe it's the Merovingian dynasty..
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If the "remains" people are talking about is the supposed ossuary (bone box) of James, it's a fake (the box is old, but the inscription on it is recent). And it contains no bones, either.
Did Pontius Pilot a ship until Ceaser made him cease?
Would those that claim that there is concrete historical evidence for the existence of person as described in the bible as Jesus, and his specific deeds, please provide the citations for the scholarly substantiation of that.
you just need to have a little faith, rane. re26: so basically you're an agnostic fundamentalist new-age christian cracker?
What? You want me to bring forth a photograph of Jesus turning water into wine at the wedding? You want me to bring out newsreel of him healing his desciple on the mount of olives? You want a court transcript of his trial? EEEEGHHH! Sorry, it aint gonna happen. What historical evidence do we have of anybody who lived in those times. We have some oral tradition, adn we have the written word. All we had to prove the existence of Troy was a legend until Schliemann cut thru a mound and found the city. While this has nothing to do with Christ, it does show that oral tradition has some fact in it. I guess I am just not as closed minded as you are. Why do you care happyboy? Looking for a guru you can follow?
Most fiction is written within a realistic context. The tales of Dickens have real places and real people as backdrops for his fictional characters and events. But the real existence of those places and people does nothing to support the real existence of those fictional characters and events in their lives. It is not "closed minded" to hold in abeyance blind belief in unsubstantiated legends, especially when they involve magic. I suspect that you take that attitude toward many legends, such as those of Hiawatha, even though components of them have some historical basis. So, why do you pick and choose to believe some subset of legends of myth and magic?
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/cues: "If I were a Rich Man" (happyboy mountainstyle banjo version)
No, it just shows that oral tradition can have some basis in fact, not that it necessarily does.
That spear was kept at the Wewelsburg, right Tod?
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soooooooooooooo, any comments on teh upconing mel gibson movie using the bible as the script? better script than what cbs used on the reagans .... eh, what?
Should we consider it a sign that the actor who plays Christ was hit by lightning? http://www2.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Movies/10/24/gibson.passion/
Some of the extremely religious folks I encounter through work have had good things to say about it. I'm expecting that it will be one of those movies that you enjoy if you're religious, and sleep through or hate if you're not. *shrug*
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at last teh script ahs been around for long enough for vetting.
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