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Item 122: lemons and teeth

Entered by jep on Thu Oct 23 20:01:11 2003:

My son, who likes to eat lemons, told me his teacher said they can be 
bad for your teeth.  Supposedly they erode the enamel on your teeth.  
I searched the Internet and got supporting information which seemed 
spotty to me.  Does anyone here know the facts?

Thanks!

Maybe I should call his dentist...
29 responses total.

#1 of 29 by jep on Thu Oct 23 20:07:02 2003:

So I did.  (Heh.  I get so used to going to the Internet or Grex with 
these questions...)  His dentist said sucking on lemon juice is indeed 
bad for your teeth.  Apparently it could be quite a problem if you did 
it all the time.  John doesn't.  The dentist also agreed that he 
should be fine if he rinses his mouth afterward and brushes his teeth 
right away.

So there we go.  Another plot to get him to brush his teeth more often!


#2 of 29 by tod on Thu Oct 23 20:14:48 2003:

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#3 of 29 by other on Thu Oct 23 20:44:44 2003:

The reason that sugar (and sugared sodas) is/are bad for your teeth is 
that the organisms which thrive in your mouth on the sugars left from the 
foods you eat produce acids which eat away at your tooth enamel.  The 
lemon juice just cuts out the middleman.

Eating foods and drinking beverages which are alkaline do somewhat 
mitigate this process, but washing your mouth to reduce the quantity of 
the organisms can't hurt.


#4 of 29 by nalla on Thu Oct 23 21:36:00 2003:

lets  .. go .. wanna my it4s sucks


#5 of 29 by jep on Sun Oct 26 03:57:34 2003:

As it happened, I had a dentist visit on Friday which I forgot about 
until I got to work.  I brought up the topic of eating lemons with my 
dentist.  He was firmly against directly eating lemons.  He said the 
acid is pretty hard on your enamel.  He said to squeeze the juice into 
a glass of water; that will neutralize the acid a lot.

I was pretty surprised to find out lemons really are dangerous to 
teeth.  I'm glad I looked into it.


#6 of 29 by other on Sun Oct 26 04:23:36 2003:

Won't necessarily neutralize, but will dilute.


#7 of 29 by rcurl on Sun Oct 26 06:41:35 2003:

Ann Arbor water will neutralize small amounts of lemon juice.


#8 of 29 by jep on Sun Oct 26 22:02:56 2003:

Neutralize is the word my dentist used.


#9 of 29 by other on Mon Oct 27 03:57:35 2003:

And if the water you use is alkaline, then to a limited extent, it is 
correct, but the primary effect will be dilution, NOT neutralization.

(You probably would not willingly drink water sufficiently alkaline to 
neutralize lemon juice.)


#10 of 29 by rcurl on Mon Oct 27 06:47:26 2003:

I've measured Ann Arbor water up to pH = 10. 


#11 of 29 by other on Mon Oct 27 08:08:01 2003:

And did YOU still want to drink it at that point?


#12 of 29 by gelinas on Mon Oct 27 12:05:33 2003:

(What is the lost pH you've measured in Ann Arbor water, Rane?)


#13 of 29 by rcurl on Mon Oct 27 18:56:36 2003:

I'll try to get a chance to recalibrate my meter, and check it. 

There is no objectionable taste to pH 10 water. That's 10^(-4) molar OH-,
or the equivalent of about 4 milligrams of NaOH ("lye") per liter.

The EPA secondary maximum contaminant level (MCL) for pH in drinking water
is pH from 6.5 to 8.5. EPA secondary standareds are not enforced by the
EPA and are usually related to "cosmetic" issues and arevery conservative,
and other standards are adopted locally. For example, the Ohio secondary
MCL for pH is 7.0 to 10.5.



#14 of 29 by gull on Mon Oct 27 21:17:13 2003:

I assume acidic pH's are considered more problematic because of pipe
corrosion?


#15 of 29 by rcurl on Mon Oct 27 23:22:42 2003:

Yes. Alkalinity tends to protect against steel corrosion.


#16 of 29 by tsty on Mon Nov 3 09:00:25 2003:

question .. i ahve a buncha plastic jugs which are (triangle-5 compatible)
adn triangle-7 (0ther)  which i use for water storage.
  
some of them work JustFine (tm) and some of them grow bacteria (grow 
soemthing ...) and i wnat to knw how to ?? neutralize ?? 
whatever it is that exists and contaminates water.
  
 i have thougth of a couple drops of bleach per gallon (they are
one-gallon jugs) and also a few drops of acid/lemon juice per gallon
as  a "neutralizer."
  
after this process, empty, rinse, and refill with tap water.
  
rcurl is probably/possibly teh best source for an answer but any
argument will be considered.
  
i anticipate water-storage, safely, in excess of 12 months.


#17 of 29 by ankh on Mon Nov 3 10:56:37 2003:



#18 of 29 by bru on Mon Nov 3 12:52:44 2003:

for long term storage I have always heard a few drops of bleach per gallon.
No rinsing, just leave the bleach in the water.  After time passes the bleach
is netralized by sunlight and the water ahd to be replaced.  Bleach will not
hurt you in small amounts.  (ever swallow any pool water?)

use of lemon will just add a bacterial growth medium.  

Try boiling water prior to pouring into container as well.


#19 of 29 by scott on Mon Nov 3 14:04:14 2003:

You could also look into iodine-based sanitisers, which break down in
sunlight.  Often used in beer brewing...


#20 of 29 by gull on Mon Nov 3 14:18:47 2003:

If you're going to boil it before putting it in, you might as well just
buy distilled water.  It will taste just as bad, be just as safe, and be
less work.


#21 of 29 by lk on Mon Nov 3 18:56:03 2003:

Boiled water tastes bad? 

No wonder I can't make a good cup of coffee!


#22 of 29 by tod on Mon Nov 3 19:17:33 2003:

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#23 of 29 by rcurl on Mon Nov 3 20:09:30 2003:

The answer is, as bru and scott point out, to sterilize the water with
bleach or an iodine disinfectant (I prefer the taste of the iodine to that
of chlorine) and then keep the water sterile by keeping it tightly sealed. 
Boiling also sterilizes the water, but drives out dissolved air and
"flattens"  the taste. The problem with boiling to prepare the water for
long time storage is to keep it sterile while it cools. That can only be
done by putting the water in the bottles, sealing them, and then putting
the filled bottles in boiling water long enough to sterilize the contents
(as one does when canning foods). Leave very little air in the bottles if
you do this, however. The pressure of the air left, plus that of the vapor
pressure of the water, plus dissolved air coming out of solution, will
increase the pressure in the bottles to above atmospheric while boiling
them.



#24 of 29 by scott on Mon Nov 3 21:20:45 2003:

...which is, of course, an application for mason jars.  The lid is designed
to allow steam to escape during the boiling procedure, then seal with a vacuum
during cooling.


#25 of 29 by gull on Mon Nov 3 21:32:20 2003:

Boiled water tastes very "flat".  I discovered this when I was under a boil
water order for several days after the power outage.


#26 of 29 by rcurl on Mon Nov 3 21:45:00 2003:

You can safely aerate it again, after boiling, to restore the "flavor".
You could even do that and keep it sterile if you have a suitable
air filter.


#27 of 29 by other on Mon Nov 3 23:36:46 2003:

Plus, aeration is good for restoring the flavor of water from 
sulphurous aquifers.


#28 of 29 by willcome on Thu Nov 27 08:21:18 2003:

whore.


#29 of 29 by naftee on Fri Nov 28 00:38:00 2003:

Hey.


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