Grex Agora47 Conference

Item 121: Who is "sabre," really?

Entered by md on Thu Oct 23 15:23:07 2003:

I guess everybody's been kind of assuming that "sabre" is the psuedo of 
some grexer or mnetter who wanted to prove that he or she could get 
grexers' panties in a bunch.  This is the item to guess "sabre's" true 
identity.  The problem is that what "sabre" does is something 
practically anyone could do, so it's difficult to narrow down the 
field.  Some possibilities:

md - It is definitely not me.  You just have to take my word for it.

slynne - Doubtful.  There is real rage leaking through some 
of "sabre's" attempts at being funny.  But slynne doesn't get rageful, 
and in any case I don't think she'd be that careless.

iggy - Possible, but still doubtful.  Like slynne, iggy is too 
inventive.  She'd never be satisfied with a cardboard figure 
like "sabre."

cy - No way.  If cy wanted to get on people's nerves -- not just bore 
them, but really piss them off -- he'd have no trouble at all doing it.

twinkie - A true Grex-hater, but rather underrated as a writer.  I 
think he's like cy, in that he'd do way better than this.  But who 
knows?  

jerryr - Another Grex-hater.  But he claims not to care about Grex 
anymore, and says he never even comes here.  He even seems to be losing 
interest in mnet.  Sad.

bdh (pvn) - Possible, kind of, but his interests here seem limited to a 
few political/religious/personal issues.  Plus, does anyone think he's 
even capable anymore of not putting unnecessary 'quotes' around every 
other word, or taunting the "Clintonistas," or boasting about 
some "Chicagoland" thing?

chamberl - Sounds farfetched, I know.  So farfetched it's almost 
possible.  

remmers - Dr. Remmers' sense of humor tends more to the donnish and 
whimsical.  He is cursed with Good Taste.  I doubt he could force 
himself, even as a joke, to write some of the inane things "sabre" has 
entered, although I'm sure he could if he had to.  Also, once he did, 
that would be it.  Can anyone see him repeating himself as eye-
glazingly as "sabre" repeats himself?

russ - Nope.  Too "serious," plus his culinary and social activities 
take up too much of his time.

janc - I wouldn't put anything past janc.  It wouldn't surpise me to 
learn that he's working on a satirical novel in which someone 
like "sabre" is one of the characters satirized.  But janc is a working 
man and the father of two small kids.  Been there, done that, never 
would've had time to enter all of "sabre's" crap in addition to my own 
crap.

furs - She is such a nice person, and so good-natured, that you wonder 
if there's a "sabre" lurking in there somewhere.  Nah.

mynxcat - See furs.  

mary - I really believe Mrs. Remmers is incapable of writing an 
antiabortion screed -- not even a stupid one, not even in jest -- and 
that if she were ever forced to do so she'd have to be carried out in a 
basket afterwards.

leland - Fancies himself a good writer, isn't really, and might be 
demented enough to devote the time to a "sabre" project.  He could 
easily let himself be talked into something like this.  However...

jp2 - The most likely candidate, in my opinion.  Notice how "sabre" 
pretended to confuse jp2 with sj2 at one point.  *Very* suspicious.  My 
money's on Jamie.

Who'm I missing?  Your turn:
89 responses total.
#1 of 89 by tod on Thu Oct 23 15:48:30 2003:

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#2 of 89 by jp2 on Thu Oct 23 15:57:10 2003:

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#3 of 89 by jp2 on Thu Oct 23 16:06:14 2003:

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#4 of 89 by tod on Thu Oct 23 16:25:41 2003:

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#5 of 89 by mary on Thu Oct 23 17:16:52 2003:

He's a poor sod with no talent whatsoever who worked for
S&H Greenstamps until recently, when he was fired.  You guess
why.  So now he logs in to Grex in the middle of the night, 
pretending he's someone worthy of attention. Bummer for him.

I suspect he's real.  That's the tragedy.

#6 of 89 by tod on Thu Oct 23 17:19:14 2003:

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#7 of 89 by remmers on Thu Oct 23 17:21:28 2003:

I don't think Mike Myers would be tempermantally capable of writing
the kinds of personal attacks we've seen from sabre, even in jest.

Md's premise in the first sentence of #0 is wrong.  In particular,
I'm not assuming that sabre is a pseudo of an established m-net or
grex personality.  I've some reasons, admittedly inconclusive, to
believe that he's not.

#8 of 89 by remmers on Thu Oct 23 17:22:03 2003:

(Mary's and Todd's responses slipped in.)

#9 of 89 by rcurl on Thu Oct 23 17:45:39 2003:

I don't care if sabre is a pseudo or not. He just comes across as another
of the juvenile jerks that pop up on Grex now and then, thinking to have
some "fun" by annoying others, but who just make fools of themselves.

#10 of 89 by asddsa on Thu Oct 23 18:29:06 2003:

re 4 Someone famours on GreX?!

*snort*

#11 of 89 by krj on Thu Oct 23 19:33:45 2003:

You need to brush up on your local history, Jim.

#12 of 89 by other on Thu Oct 23 19:47:51 2003:

That's rich!  No, this isn't the Mike Myers whose fame is only recent and 
fleeting, though it did achieve significant heights.  This is the Eternal 
Mike Myers, whose fame will pursue him doggedly down through the 
centuries for as long as the Internet and its successors exist.  The Mike 
Myers who spent waaaay too much money to buy a fancy minicomputer on 
which to play host to the birth of M-Net.  Yes, THAT Mike Myers.  Not the 
cheesey bugger who goes around picking crumbs out of the corners of his 
mouth with his pinky.

#13 of 89 by tod on Thu Oct 23 20:13:18 2003:

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#14 of 89 by sabre on Thu Oct 23 20:30:17 2003:

HaHa you are ALL wrong......guess again.
If you guess right I might even tell you.
I will offer one hint.
I went to at least one breakfast/walk this year.
no more hints

#15 of 89 by michaela on Thu Oct 23 20:38:51 2003:

Heh... that counts me out. I haven't been to a walk in years.

#16 of 89 by md on Thu Oct 23 20:48:21 2003:

Re #3: "He's a 7-11 owning sand nigger like mynxcat." (Item 113)  He 
was referring to you, but I figured he saw "sj2" and thought "jp2," 
which I find myself doing if I'm not paying attention.  

Re #7: The premise that everybody assumes "sabre" is a psuedo is indeed 
wrong.  Whether the other premise -- that "sabre" is a pseudo -- is 
right, remains to be seen.  Heh heh heh.

#17 of 89 by jp2 on Thu Oct 23 20:51:55 2003:

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#18 of 89 by remmers on Thu Oct 23 21:06:47 2003:

What are these "breakfast/walk" thingies that sabre is talking about?

#19 of 89 by sabre on Thu Oct 23 21:46:42 2003:

Well remmers it's something that young whipper snappers do. I know it's hard
                                                     
to imagime when you live off IV infused geritol and hormonr pills like you
                                                       
and mary do.Do you remember when you get a full-on robot chubby? Does mary?
I wonder whay your pathetic lives are like.

(mary) REMMERS?              
(remmers) yes mary dear?

(mary) don't you love me anymore?
(remmers) now now mary why would you ask a thing like that?               
                                                       
                                                                          
                                                       
(mary) because we never.....you know.....anymore
(remmers) but mary our relationship has evolved beyond such needs

(mary) *sigh* yes dear..you are right
(remmers) besides....you know that since my prostrate problem we have had
to make adjustments
(mary adjusts the speed on her 12 inch dildo)
(remmers adjusts the light dimmer so he can read his child porn)

(mary reaches for the K-y)
(remmers reaches for the k-y)

They have made thier adjustments.

#20 of 89 by asddsa on Fri Oct 24 01:27:59 2003:

naw.

#21 of 89 by cross on Fri Oct 24 01:57:57 2003:

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#22 of 89 by jp2 on Fri Oct 24 02:11:48 2003:

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#23 of 89 by aruba on Fri Oct 24 03:31:32 2003:

You know, I think that certain people get a huge thrill whenever they see
someone else has typed their name.  So the more you talk about them, the
longer they'll hang around.

#24 of 89 by mynxcat on Fri Oct 24 03:39:05 2003:

About that sandnigger comment, I doubt he meant sj2, unless he's not aware
that sj2 does not live in the US. I'm guessing sabre is real and is one of
those extras that was at one of the walks a ferw months ago ( I rmember
reading that there was a non-grexer unknown who had read about the walks in
the paper and had joined one week)

#25 of 89 by other on Fri Oct 24 05:30:55 2003:

I think it's a red herring.

#26 of 89 by sabre on Fri Oct 24 12:15:04 2003:

cross...it's not a dailup spoof. The ip in question has a router hooked to
thier cable modem.They are also running WINGATE! HaHa....I LOVE WINGATE.
WINGATE WINGATE WINGATE...I wanna write a song about wingate.
Install wingate cross and I'll appear to be YOU.

#27 of 89 by gull on Fri Oct 24 13:41:57 2003:

Wingate(tm)...when Windows alone is just too secure!

#28 of 89 by md on Fri Oct 24 20:46:52 2003:

Oh, and not only did "sabre" pretend to confuse jp2 with sj2, but he 
also pretended not to know that the censored log was unreadable.  
Considering Jamie's interest in that subject, it was a transparent 
attempt to throw everyone off the track.  I'm telling you, it's Jamie.

[Otoh, calling sombody "sabre" is now approaching the stage of libel.  
Let's just say, it's an amusing theory.]

#29 of 89 by cross on Fri Oct 24 21:23:30 2003:

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#30 of 89 by sabre on Fri Oct 24 21:53:16 2003:

I would love for one of stupid fucks to try to charge me with libel
Come on dipshits...COME ON!

I have learned a very interesting fact that it going to help me very much in
a pending law suit.
  
I will say this...WHEN YOU LOOK INTO THE ABYSS..THE ABYSS ALSO LOOKS INTO YOU.
You are fucking with the wrong person.

COME ON AND SUE....you stupid fucks...COME ON!!!.

#31 of 89 by scott on Fri Oct 24 22:08:41 2003:

Oh please.  Don't accuse *me* of being sabre; If I was playing the right-wing
zealot in reverse psychology mode (like klg) I'd be much more persuasive up
front and then allow myself to be argued into agreeing with the position I
really wanted in the first place.

Sabre is just plain too stupid to be anybody who's been a regular here.

#32 of 89 by cross on Fri Oct 24 22:12:59 2003:

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#33 of 89 by tod on Fri Oct 24 22:16:18 2003:

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#34 of 89 by scott on Fri Oct 24 22:20:02 2003:

Sabre hasn't had the guts to enter a "scott" item since the first one, months
ago.

Sabre is 100% chickenshit.

#35 of 89 by tod on Fri Oct 24 22:25:01 2003:

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#36 of 89 by sabre on Sat Oct 25 01:44:12 2003:

re#31 
"Sabre is just plain too stupid to be anybody who's been a regular here."
Ha Ha.....That statement is akin to calling Pamela Sue Anderson flat-chested.
It doesn't surprise me coming from a left wing faggot like you though.

re#34
"Sabre is 100% chickenshit"
This statement has sounds like a pre-adolescent cry for attention. Don't worry
diaper boy...it's coming soon enough.

#37 of 89 by lk on Sat Oct 25 01:56:02 2003:

Re#23: Mulberry, Mulberry, Mulberry, Mulberry, Mulberry.

Sigh. Sabre will never be the FW of Agora.

#38 of 89 by mynxcat on Sat Oct 25 02:17:21 2003:

md - did you analyse trex as a possible candidate for sabre? What about tod?

I'm having trouble seeing jp2 as sabre. I don't see Jamie acting that way
under any circumstance. Uhm, come to think of it, maybe... I don't know. 

However, come to think of it, no one's really speculated sabre being a pseudo
before md brought it up? Could it be that sabre is really md, and since md
wasn't getting credit for his creation, he is now trying to steer people into
thinking that sabre could be pseudo? You know thje criminal wanting
appreciation for his crime. Something to think about...

#39 of 89 by jaklumen on Sat Oct 25 02:20:54 2003:

Perky!

#40 of 89 by asddsa on Sat Oct 25 05:38:44 2003:

re 37 Yeah, another gay sex opportunity missed.

#41 of 89 by other on Sat Oct 25 05:54:36 2003:

Given the vocabulary, the conversational ability and the apparent state 
of intellectual development, I'd say sabre is either 10-11 years old, and 
probably also an abused child.  I suggest we drown him in our pity and 
leave it at that.

#42 of 89 by remmers on Sat Oct 25 11:51:25 2003:

Re #37: Yeah, I miss mulberry.  Now, there was a pseudo with some wit
behind it.

#43 of 89 by lk on Sat Oct 25 14:42:31 2003:

<lk clicks his heels 3 times and says>
There's no pseudo like mulberry.
There's no pseudo like mulberry.
There's no pseudo like mulberry.

And then there was 'reason' (aka Mark Smith), but she wasn't a pseudo.
(Except perhaps in her own mind.)

And then there were people we pretended were pseudos.
Like Brad Foster (egads, I forget the login).

Sniff.  I miss the 80s.  (:

#44 of 89 by polygon on Sun Oct 26 02:15:12 2003:

Mulberry lives on, in feline form, at our house.

#45 of 89 by tod on Sun Oct 26 13:11:51 2003:

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#46 of 89 by remmers on Sun Oct 26 15:11:51 2003:

Re #43:  Brad Foster was real, and actually a reasonably nice guy
in person.  I had some business dealings with him at one point.
Quite an Objectivist fanactic online though.  I think his login
was "brad", but I could be misremembering.

#47 of 89 by lk on Sun Oct 26 19:21:02 2003:

Yeah, I think I met him once but don't really remember. I assume he
must have been at the Objectivist showing of Ayn Rand's "Fountainhead"
at the B-school.  Ralph and I booed when others cheered. It was fun!

However, for a short while I had most of M-Net believe that he was my
pseudo by "mis-posting" something he was about to say as myself (by
stealing hs cf.buffer).  Meg and bdh were pissed because they were
about to claim that brad was their pseudo, and I think they then tried
to do so anyhow.

#48 of 89 by remmers on Sun Oct 26 19:36:34 2003:

Okay, I nominate Leeron to write a history of M-Net in the 1980s.
I'll help.

#49 of 89 by jmsaul on Mon Oct 27 02:08:02 2003:

I thought sabre was dpc's wife.

#50 of 89 by dah on Mon Oct 27 02:13:30 2003:

I am sabre, really.

#51 of 89 by jep on Mon Oct 27 02:23:28 2003:

re resp:49: That's Sabra Briere, Joe.

#52 of 89 by lk on Mon Oct 27 06:41:35 2003:

I think there are people much more qualified to write an M-Net history.
Many of them are right here on Grex.  But I don't think any single person
could really do it. There were too many facets. Too many things going on.
Too many conferences and people.  (For example, I know next to nothing
about the Empire.)

It might be much more viable to create a collection of essays or anecdotes
written by different people.

Then I could tell how Aaron and Brian Larson were another set of pseudos
which I invented. (Originally their home directories were a sub-directory
of mine.)  I'll leave it up to dpc to tell his side of this story....

Furs and igorv can tell us about the flintoids.

Then there's that whole NETI thing.

And other noteable personalities such as bwk, Sarah and the twins.

Picofests, happy hours and GCGTs.

And then there was a meeting on the steps of the Federal Bldg.
I think that was the beginning of the end. :(

#53 of 89 by polygon on Mon Oct 27 06:50:21 2003:

In person, keats once hinted that he was part of a vast conspiracy to
manufacture pseudos.

#54 of 89 by remmers on Mon Oct 27 11:07:25 2003:

Re #52:  I like the collection of essays/anecdotes idea.

#55 of 89 by tod on Mon Oct 27 13:41:43 2003:

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#56 of 89 by remmers on Mon Oct 27 14:28:26 2003:

Oh? Keats hid his identity at first, then stopped.  Bhall (a former
student of mine) was never a pseudo as far as I know.  Don't
remember furdawg or graves.

#57 of 89 by tod on Mon Oct 27 14:30:30 2003:

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#58 of 89 by remmers on Mon Oct 27 14:32:08 2003:

I vaguely remember the "furdawg" login but not any details about it.

#59 of 89 by glenda on Mon Oct 27 17:59:17 2003:

Keats was real, he often came over to my house for potluck dinners and had
a great time playing with my children.  Ask dewshine if you don't believe me.
He was one of her favorite people.

#60 of 89 by tod on Mon Oct 27 18:37:29 2003:

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#61 of 89 by remmers on Mon Oct 27 19:15:46 2003:

Explain, please.

#62 of 89 by slynne on Mon Oct 27 19:39:51 2003:

Explain what? What a potluck is? How come tod might say that keats was 
a pseudo? What?

#63 of 89 by slynne on Mon Oct 27 19:42:00 2003:

Back in the day, whenever I would make up a particularly imaginative 
pseudo, someone would accuse me of being keats. It was kind of 
frustrating. Then, one time, I made a *really* cool pseudo and someone 
accused me of being *polygon*. I felt like my pseudo making had peaked 
and I would never never again be able to duplicate such success.

#64 of 89 by tod on Mon Oct 27 20:12:36 2003:

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#65 of 89 by slynne on Mon Oct 27 20:49:01 2003:

I thought craig was a tod pseudo

#66 of 89 by dah on Mon Oct 27 23:09:29 2003:

Those wouldn't be essays in the correct classical sense, lk.

#67 of 89 by lk on Mon Oct 27 23:25:41 2003:

As sysadm, I uncovered evidence that indicated keats had created
1000 pseudos. But this material is still classified and the Board
will cut my pension (or your connection) if I speak more of this.





NO CARRIER

#68 of 89 by dah on Tue Oct 28 00:19:51 2003:

fag.

#69 of 89 by remmers on Tue Oct 28 11:11:17 2003:

Re #60-62:  If Todd is saying that keats created other accounts that
were pseudos, well, I can certainly believe that.  I did that myself.

#70 of 89 by slynne on Tue Oct 28 15:21:27 2003:

NO! NOT *you* remmers. I am *shocked* SHOCKED I say.  ;)

#71 of 89 by bhoward on Tue Oct 28 15:57:55 2003:

Whoa.  Deja vous to da max.

#72 of 89 by polygon on Tue Oct 28 19:34:34 2003:

Re 63.  I'm speechless.

#73 of 89 by tod on Tue Oct 28 19:44:21 2003:

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#74 of 89 by goose on Wed Oct 29 02:23:43 2003:

We are jep.

#75 of 89 by sabre on Wed Oct 29 03:43:05 2003:

RE#63
That's rich....being accused of being a pseudo for a ident that is a pseudo
of the one and only remmers. 
re#72  As you very well should be. Aren't you just another lap dummy for
remmers?
SHUT UP...until he pulls your string.

#76 of 89 by lk on Wed Oct 29 06:30:39 2003:

Sniff.  I feel so inadequate. I never created a pseudo. In fact,
I was so inferior that all I could do was pretend to create pseudos.

#77 of 89 by bhoward on Wed Oct 29 12:58:33 2003:

That's ok, lk.  If it will make you feel better, you can be my pseudo
or vice versa and no one has to be the wiser.

#78 of 89 by remmers on Wed Oct 29 13:22:18 2003:

#76 is untrue.

#79 of 89 by other on Wed Oct 29 14:54:14 2003:

Shhhh!  It's a pseudo confession.

#80 of 89 by tod on Wed Oct 29 16:54:33 2003:

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#81 of 89 by lk on Fri Oct 31 11:45:59 2003:

That was an alias, not a pseudo!  (:

#82 of 89 by remmers on Fri Oct 31 14:18:42 2003:

Oh, *that* one.  :)

#83 of 89 by bhoward on Fri Oct 31 14:48:00 2003:

So where does this leave us vis-a-vis "The Hunt for Sabre"?

#84 of 89 by tod on Fri Oct 31 20:17:47 2003:

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#85 of 89 by tsty on Mon Nov 3 09:08:36 2003:

re #63 .. creates a greater admiration for slynne. amazzzing!
  
keats is a real person adn a damn nice person too.
  
not the same can be said for the offal represented by sabre.

#86 of 89 by tsty on Wed Nov 5 09:57:15 2003:

adn it was for him that there is the   'keats of text' measurement -- two
screens full = 1 keats of text.

#87 of 89 by willcome on Thu Nov 27 08:21:12 2003:

one whore full.  (aha)

#88 of 89 by twenex on Thu Nov 27 16:16:36 2003:

I have been accused of being a pseudo on M-Net

Little did they know I would invade GREX and create sabre.

#89 of 89 by remmers on Thu Nov 27 17:05:00 2003:

Uh huh.

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