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Item 108: US war crimes in Vietnam

Entered by sj2 on Tue Oct 21 18:20:56 2003:

US shuns Vietnam war claims
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3206180.stm

According to an investigation by the Ohio-based Toledo Blade newspaper, 
the elite Tiger Force unit of the Army's 101st Airborne Division killed 
hundreds of unarmed villagers over seven months in 1967. 

Soldiers told the newspaper they had severed ears from the dead, 
stringing them on shoelaces to wear around their necks, and had dropped 
grenades into bunkers where children and women were taking refuge. 

But a Pentagon statement said the case was more than 30 years old and 
there was no new or compelling evidence to justify reopening it. 

An earlier investigation had been closed in 1975, even though it had 
established that members of the unit had committed war crimes. 

19 responses total.

#1 of 19 by happyboy on Tue Oct 21 18:27:36 2003:




        8D








#2 of 19 by tod on Tue Oct 21 19:19:19 2003:

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#3 of 19 by sj2 on Wed Oct 22 05:28:10 2003:

Now we know why the US has been shunning the International Criminal 
Court. 

The first to get sued would be Bush for his illegal war on Iraq and 
then other war crimes.


#4 of 19 by sj2 on Wed Oct 22 06:16:51 2003:

Speaking of double standards, treaties/conventions not 
signed/ratified/implemented by the US:
1. Convention on the Rights of the Child
2. Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination 
against Women (The US has been avoiding this for 20 years)
3. International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights 
4. American Convention on Human Rights
5. UN Framework Convention on Climate Control (UNFCCC) and the Kyoto 
Protocol
6. CTBT
7. Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) Treaty
8. Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention (BWC) and Draft Proposal
9. Chemical Weapons Convention
10.Mine ban treaty
11.Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC)

http://www.globalpolicy.org/empire/un/2003/treatytable.htm



#5 of 19 by sabre on Wed Oct 22 07:36:58 2003:

cry me a RIVER!


#6 of 19 by cross on Wed Oct 22 16:16:21 2003:

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#7 of 19 by rcurl on Wed Oct 22 17:27:32 2003:

We've had our own atrocities with nuclear testing (and even more so
in war). Then there are our colonial aspirations viz-a-viz the Native
Americans. I don't see why the pot should go after the kettle.


#8 of 19 by cross on Wed Oct 22 17:55:11 2003:

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#9 of 19 by gull on Wed Oct 22 18:03:46 2003:

I think this all just reinforces the main argument *against* the ICC --
that it would just be used for political retribution.


#10 of 19 by rcurl on Wed Oct 22 18:13:24 2003:

My position on that is that the US could go its own way *afterwards*
if justice was really misplaced, but that it should enter into these
international agreements on the basis of trust -  ultimately the only
basis for international cooperation. 


#11 of 19 by sj2 on Wed Oct 22 19:14:04 2003:

A bunch of nations are trying to undermine the ICC. The US is signing 
treaties with these countries that forbids both parties from sending 
citizens of either nations to the ICC or any other international 
tribunal for trial.

Most of these nations are third-world/poor nations including India.

The 49 countries reported to have signed U.S. bilateral immunity 
agreements, listed according to date of reporting of signature, are: 
Romania, Israel, East Timor, Tajikistan, Marshall Islands, Dominican 
Republic, Palau, Mauritania, Uzbekistan, Honduras, Afghanistan, 
Micronesia, Gambia, El Salvador, Sri Lanka, India, Nepal, Djibouti, 
Tuvalu, Bahrain, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Nauru, Rwanda, Democratic 
Republic of Congo, Tonga, Sierra Leone, Gabon, Ghana, Madagascar, 
Maldives, Albania, Bhutan, Philippines, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Bolivia, 
Egypt, Thailand, Uganda, Mongolia, Nicaragua, Tunisia, Seychelles, 
Togo, Mauritius, Bangladesh, Cambodia, Panama and Macedonia. 


#12 of 19 by tod on Wed Oct 22 21:00:29 2003:

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#13 of 19 by remmers on Wed Oct 22 22:22:36 2003:

Re #10: Yes.


#14 of 19 by n4r0d on Thu Oct 30 17:41:50 2003:

yes, but they are imperialist pigs that own the world,
so they can do whatever they want. slobodan milosevic my
ass...


#15 of 19 by tsty on Tue Nov 4 07:32:31 2003:

re #12 .. dittos


#16 of 19 by tod on Tue Nov 4 18:26:34 2003:

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#17 of 19 by twenex on Sun Nov 9 09:30:13 2003:

re 6: Cross, why go after anyone *first*? Going after anyone "first"
just reinforces the impression that whoever is doing the going after
is biased, or that some are more guilty than others, or that some
are more equal than others. Is there ANY country in the world where
none aof its citizens could POSSIBLY be accused of warcrimes
according to any reasonable definition of "warcrime" that could be
thought up? I doubt it, unless you include Luxembourg and
Liechtenstein - and the Vatican probably wouldn't be guiltless,
either.


#18 of 19 by cross on Sun Nov 9 16:34:40 2003:

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#19 of 19 by willcome on Thu Nov 27 08:15:05 2003:

whore.


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