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Item 107: Give me one good reason why liberals aren't idiots.

Entered by sabre on Tue Oct 21 02:49:33 2003:

Just one
58 responses total.

#1 of 58 by scott on Tue Oct 21 03:10:04 2003:

1.  sabre is not a liberal.


#2 of 58 by md on Tue Oct 21 03:32:57 2003:

No, that proves only that all idiots aren't liberals.  

But see, *I* think sabre really is a liberal and just wants to prove he 
can get Grexers' panties in a bunch by being insulting, abusive and 
right-wing sounding.  (I'd've thought that's something you could train 
a dog to do, but I guess it isn't so easy after all.  It freakin' 
impossible for "sabre," at any rate.)  Anyway, if my theory is right, 
then yes, there's at least one instance of a liberal idiot.

Which side has more idiots, liberals or conservatives?  


#3 of 58 by dah on Tue Oct 21 03:53:23 2003:

Well, my theory about sabre, and I AM Northrop Fucking Frye, is that 
he's in college as evidenced by his big technical words but he's still 
a beer drinker.


#4 of 58 by russ on Tue Oct 21 04:20:47 2003:

Most liberals have to be smarter than sabre, because they aren't dumb
enough to post shit like this.  This makes them, if not non-idiots,
at least a higher grade of retard.


#5 of 58 by kenscann on Tue Oct 21 09:20:04 2003:

i get the impression he's just trying to stir shit up a bit!...bored probably


#6 of 58 by jp2 on Tue Oct 21 10:05:05 2003:

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#7 of 58 by md on Tue Oct 21 12:05:30 2003:

That's what I said in response #2, stupid.


#8 of 58 by remmers on Tue Oct 21 12:06:44 2003:

Define "idiot".


#9 of 58 by md on Tue Oct 21 12:21:08 2003:

[Appearing in a sabre item, that's actually very funny.]


#10 of 58 by jp2 on Tue Oct 21 12:38:01 2003:

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#11 of 58 by janc on Tue Oct 21 13:53:20 2003:

I think it would help if you could point out a conservative who is not
an idiot, just so we could have an idea of what sort of person it is
that you have in mind.

You can look around any shopping mall and find hundreds of people with
usuable IQs, many of them liberals.  But finding a person that couldn't
be called an idiot by a rude child is a bit harder.

If you're going to define everyone as an idiot, then you've just removed
the concept from the domain of things worth talking about.  It's a
classification that fails to classify anyone, and is pure verbal noise.
If you're going to accept a more normal definition of the term, then
finding a liberal that is not a idiot is pretty easy.  They constitute
about half the population of America, and better than half the
population of Grex.


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#13 of 58 by janc on Tue Oct 21 14:03:42 2003:

Kendra typed' th'at''';

she is helping me type now too.  She's not an idiot, but her political
opinions are a little unformed.  However, she says "thank you" when you
wipe her nose, which is more than I can say for a lot of people.


#14 of 58 by gull on Tue Oct 21 15:01:55 2003:

I tend to assume idiots are pretty evenly distributed through the
population.  That would mean most of them are probably "swing voters".


#15 of 58 by cross on Tue Oct 21 15:11:47 2003:

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#16 of 58 by remmers on Tue Oct 21 16:05:29 2003:

Conservatives who are not idiots:  William Safire, George Will.

They can be real asses at times, but that's a different job category.


#17 of 58 by rcurl on Tue Oct 21 16:35:21 2003:

They do use big words, so I guess that qualifies them as non-idiots.


#18 of 58 by sabre on Tue Oct 21 17:13:34 2003:

Most liberals are idiots in classification #2
The others fit catergory #1 pf this definition quite nicely

Etymology: Middle English, from Latin idiota ignorant person, from Greek
idiOtEs one in a private station, layman, ignorant person, from idios one's
own, private; akin to Latin suus one's own -- more at SUICIDE
Date: 14th century
1 : a person affected with idiocy; especially : a feebleminded person having
a mental age not exceeding three years and requiring complete custodial care
2 : a foolish or stupid person

There are exceptions however. Slick Willy being the prime example.
I would classify him as idiot-savant(definition given for remmers sake)
Afer all..a MORON as stupid as him did have the gift of gab that got him
elected to the world's most powerful office twice.

Etymology: French, literally, learned idiot
Date: 1927
1 : a mentally defective person who exhibits exceptional skill or brilliance
in some limited field
2 : a person who is highly knowledgeable about one subject but knows little
about anything else 

He fits category #2 nicely.


#19 of 58 by rcurl on Tue Oct 21 17:17:48 2003:

I think sabre misunderstands what is a liberal. Here is the definition,
plus one that seems to apply to him:

liberal (adj).  1. Possessing or manifesting a free and generous heart; 
bountiful. 2. Appropriate or fitting for a broad and enlightened mind. 3.
Free from narrowness, bigotry, or bondage to authority or creed, as in
religion; inclined to democratic or republican ideas, as opposed to
monarchical or aristocratic, as in politics; broad, popular, progressive. 

illiberal (adj.). 1. Not liberal; not generous in giving; parsimonious. 2.
Narrow-minded. 3. Lacking breadth of culture; hence, vulgar. 



#20 of 58 by sabre on Tue Oct 21 17:47:09 2003:

rcurl you fit category #1 of the definition for idiot.


#21 of 58 by rcurl on Tue Oct 21 19:18:45 2003:

Typical illiberal sabre.


#22 of 58 by gull on Tue Oct 21 19:26:02 2003:

Re #16: I'd agree with that.  While I might not agree with those two all
the time, I always get the impression that they've thought through their
position carefully and that they're taking it because they arrived at it
intellectually, not because it's shocking or fits a party line.  This is
in stark contrast to newer conservative columnists like Ann Coulter.

George Will's column about the California Recall Election outcome was
scathingly anti-recall and anti-Arnold.


#23 of 58 by jaklumen on Wed Oct 22 01:36:31 2003:

resp:14 does what you mean by "swing voters" illict a "bite me" 
response?


#24 of 58 by sabre on Wed Oct 22 07:28:51 2003:

It means after halloween we're gonna have some pumpkin pie!


#25 of 58 by gull on Wed Oct 22 17:35:43 2003:

Re #23: I'm not sure I follow your comment.


#26 of 58 by bhelliom on Fri Oct 24 16:26:20 2003:

I think Sabre should be president.  After all, the first representative
in office of a given demographic is usually shot, right?  Hell, I'm sure
a loon that happens to be an incredible marksman with a poor memory
beyond his obession wouldn't be too expensive to hire.


#27 of 58 by sabre on Sat Oct 25 02:13:11 2003:

I shall be sure to forward your comments to the secret service...they take
those kinds of veiled threats very seriously...you commie bastard.


#28 of 58 by twenex on Sun Oct 26 00:51:13 2003:

All Hail The Great McCarthy!

Get a life, right-wing dweeb.


#29 of 58 by janc on Mon Oct 27 05:25:55 2003:

I'll buy George Will as a conservative non-idiot.  If he's the template
for a non-idiot, then the obvious choice for a liberal non-idiot would be
the columnist who alternates with him on the last page of Newsweek:  Anna
Quindlen.  Won the pulitizer prize for commentary in 1992.  Wrote several
best selling novels.  I don't think there's a political commentator working
who I think is more consistantly spot on.  Here's a random sample essay:
http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/959312.asp.  I love this line, talking about
those who advocate political change via violence:

  [T]he problem with this is that it is ideology divorced from
  humanity, empty as the transparent carapace of a cicada, the
  living thing gone from within. 

The image is startlingly exact.  A political ideology without humanity at
it's core is essentially a dead thing.  That kind of clear insight and
expressive writing is about as far as you can get from idiocy.


#30 of 58 by gelinas on Mon Oct 27 12:01:50 2003:

(I've not figured out if David Broder is liberal or conservative, but he's
not an idiot.)


#31 of 58 by bhelliom on Tue Oct 28 20:42:08 2003:

Like they'll actually take anything Sabre says seriously.  *snort*  We 
don't.


#32 of 58 by tsty on Sun Nov 2 10:36:45 2003:

never take a phallic phantasy seriously - sabre, for example.


#33 of 58 by janc on Sun Nov 2 15:32:29 2003:

Hmmm...nobody seems willing to call Anna Quindlen an idiot.  So how
about some easier ones, folks form the airy-fairy world of
entertainment?  I'd suggest Paul Newman and Bill Cosby as further
examples of well-known liberals who are not idiots.


#34 of 58 by md on Sun Nov 2 16:12:56 2003:

Don Henley is an idiot, albeit a well-meaning one.  He joined the 
effort to save the woodland around Walden Pond from threatened 
development, but in the process caused the Thoreau Society to go 
Hollywood.  They shut down the Thoreau Lyceum and moved out of Concord 
and into a lavish hunt club in Lincoln, where they preen themselves on 
their money and their "liberal" show biz connections.  They went from 
granola to granola in the worst way imaginable.  Do you think Henley 
might've foreseen this?  No, because he's an idiot.

Tim and Susan Robbins are idiots.  Tim accused the Baseball Hall of 
Fame of depriving him of his Constitutional right to free speech by 
disinviting him to speak there.  He actually seemed to believe what he 
was saying.  Susan is a rich bubblehead-leftist who just goes along 
with all the other rich bubblehead-leftists.  In other words, she's an 
accidental hypocrite.  The word "idiot" could hardly be better defined.

Gloria Steinem has become an embarrassment to other idiots.  

Back here on Grex, Rane Curl sounds exactly like an idiot when he 
boasts for the umpteenth time, like some memory-damaged great-uncle you 
dread visiting, of his discovery that according to his dictionary the 
opposite of liberal is illiberal -- the geriatric equivalent of a 
teenager discovering that God spelled backward is dog.


#35 of 58 by tod on Sun Nov 2 17:07:08 2003:

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#36 of 58 by jp2 on Sun Nov 2 18:20:35 2003:

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#37 of 58 by slynne on Sun Nov 2 18:47:50 2003:

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#38 of 58 by slynne on Sun Nov 2 18:49:29 2003:

#37 was the proof that I am an idiot and I am liberal. Whoa. Well, at 
least I am not as much of an idiot as most of the folks around here ;)



#39 of 58 by gull on Mon Nov 3 14:16:42 2003:

Which Hollywood celebrity was it that went to Iraq, took a cursory
glance around, and then said he hadn't seen any WMD?  He's an idiot.

Of course, the politicians who spend an afternoon in Iraq, flee to
Kuwait before nightfall, and then tell the journalists (who have been
living there day and night, getting bombed and shot at) that they're not
upbeat enough about the situation are also idiots.


#40 of 58 by klg on Mon Nov 3 17:40:58 2003:

(War is Hell, or so they say.)


#41 of 58 by tsty on Tue Nov 4 07:31:00 2003:

don henley (if you refer to the musician) is much worse than an idiot.
  
befroe i continue, please confirm which don henley is referenced above.


#42 of 58 by md on Tue Nov 4 11:39:22 2003:

The Eagles guy.  There's another Don Henley?


#43 of 58 by tsty on Wed Nov 5 10:07:15 2003:

tehre might be, which is why i hesitated before condeming that jerk.
  
from personal experience, his music is great AND he is a 1st class ASS!
  
beat his wife, got his kids on drugs *early* (before puberty) and 
is teh best exam;le of the worst of hedonists i even encountered.
  
such talent; such domestic terriorism .... wehre ahs the good muse gone?


#44 of 58 by happyboy on Wed Nov 5 19:28:48 2003:

don henley's music is *great*?







        *hic*








#45 of 58 by tsty on Thu Nov 6 10:20:47 2003:

although i have lost touch with henley's wife inteh ensuing years, i did
ahve the opportunity to learn  a lot from her whilst i was
in nashville. she is stunning (even if 'short') and a RealPerson (tm).
  
lots of women end up being abused and she was one. 
  
as i said, music=great, humanity=shit.


#46 of 58 by happyboy on Thu Nov 6 19:13:20 2003:

your taste in music = retarded


#47 of 58 by tod on Thu Nov 6 19:33:27 2003:

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#48 of 58 by tsty on Sat Nov 8 08:47:50 2003:

yek well, it is gnashville, ya know .......


#49 of 58 by tod on Sat Nov 8 16:04:32 2003:

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#50 of 58 by klg on Mon Nov 10 17:32:35 2003:

Nothing beats a good, worry-free education.


New York cops busted a robbery ring in which "five transgender teens" 
allegedly "posed as female prostitutes, and then robbed their tricks by 
claiming to be undercover cops willing to let them go free in exchange 
for cash and credit cards," the New York Post reports. . .

They all attend Harvey Milk High School . . .

"Everybody feels that it s a good idea," Mayor Michael Bloomberg said 
when the school opened, "because some of the kids who are gays and 
lesbians have been constantly harassed and beaten in other schools and 
this . . . lets them get an education without having to worry."  Just 
what the kids are learning at Harvey Milk High??


#51 of 58 by happyboy on Mon Nov 10 17:37:37 2003:

same stuff as they learn at any other underfunded public school,

USEFUL SURVIVAL SKILLS.

how OLD *are* you?


#52 of 58 by tod on Mon Nov 10 18:09:23 2003:

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#53 of 58 by tsty on Tue Nov 11 09:51:24 2003:

risks ahve their 'rewards' ... "teach your children well." said osme
non-itenerant singer.
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#54 of 58 by tod on Tue Nov 11 21:32:37 2003:

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#55 of 58 by gull on Thu Nov 13 19:14:15 2003:

Don't the lyrics go, "If you can't be with the one you love, love the
one you're with"?  Hardly a ringing endorsement for monogamy.


#56 of 58 by tod on Thu Nov 13 19:43:21 2003:

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#57 of 58 by tsty on Fri Nov 14 07:40:21 2003:

re #55 .. taht is a different song ... adn, yoru conclusion is correct.


#58 of 58 by willcome on Thu Nov 27 08:14:59 2003:

whore.


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