One way (and the way the DNC et al would like it to be) to look at the current situation in Iraq is that Bush-II and the rest of what would be called the unholy hord if the liberals believed in a god lied about everything about Iraq in order to seize its oil to the benefit of its co-conspirators including the VP. This of course assumes that the Saudis are too stupid about what is going on to sit still and indeed cooperate with the US stealing the oil of #2 while they are #1. Thus there were never any WMD and it was all made up so go about your biz there is nothing to worry about. Alternatively. There is no lack of evidence to suggest that Sadaam's regime in fact had a wide variety of WMDs. I don't know of any credible source including the UN that suggests otherwise. The question is what happened to them. Where are they? The comforting thought is that in an attempt to maintain his historical reputation in the "west" (posthumously) he magnanimously ordered them all destroyed so that he would go down in western history as a really misunderstood but fundametally nice guy and that all of his followers would obey such orders so as to also be seen as such sweet and really kindly people. Like he really ever cared so much how the "west" sees him. The other alternative is that sensing his own demise either politically and/or physically (he didn't have to be a rocket scientist) he turned his WMD arsenal over to one or more groups who don't exactly hold the west in general and the US in particular in high regard. (revenge from the grave as it were.) Remember, this is the same dude that when Gulf-War I broke out (who knew there would be a II) transfered as much of his Air Force to Iran whom he had just only the year before concluded a long running war with in a tie. So either Iraq never had any WMDs in the first place, or they are floating out there in who knows how many not-so-friendly hands just waiting to pop up when most inconvenient. Sleep well.14 responses total.
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BDH's implication is that, from the viewpoint of the US' national security, the war against Iraq will turn out to have been a disaster. Another implication is that the vaunted Bush national security team was completely outsmarted by Saddam.
The horse is dead. I repeat, the horse is dead.
These wars are all transparent escalations of the master plan according to Bush SR. The first step forward was the Bush Coup D'etat over Gore. We have been a headless dead horse since we stood by and allowed that to happen. All of the "players" in his "war on terrorism" have been or are still in business with him. Prescott Bush funded and supported Hitler's campaign in Germany pre WWII. The US seized his assets for these treasonous acts against the United States. The Bush family has a long history of twisted, ruthless politics that fuel acts of terrorism globally. Like father like son....bad grammar i know...i just woke up..
The Saudis are too smart to confront the US directly; they have neither the military nor diplomatic clout do to so. Instead they are (despite their cash-flow problems) spending huge sums to build mosques and train Wahhabi imams to go all over the world, teaching people everywhere to hate the USA and Americans on general principles. That's asymmetric warfare for ya. I think we should fix this by taxing petroleum to reduce demand (and thus the fundamentalists' income) and promoting economic development by e.g. buying clothes sewed up by Paki and African seamstresses. It would give money to people below the oil-controlling elites in places like Nigeria and give people reason to want us around. (It would also give notice to Beijing that their export industries don't come with guarantees.)
I think you're right on target in regards to Saudi Arabia. The US has tiptoed around the Saudis due to the huge ammount of US ruling class interests in the Saudis. The most tell tale to me is the Bin Laden/Bush/Harken/Harriman/Carlisle Group connections to terrorists and war mongers accross the globe. It is sad to me that so many have jumped to support a governing body with these types of connections. Buying goods and services from the real people in these places is an excellent idea as well. Grass roots orgs push this type of behavior quite a bit out here on the west coast. I'm sure there are many throughout the US also promote healthy buying habits. Another issue for me comes to mind: Personal convenience. One of my sole reasons for engaging in text based communication of this sort is to force myself out of the lazy norm. I think convenience has become very inconvenient.Combustion engines are completely obsolete and have been for decades.Locomotives use batteries and diesel generators for massive torque.Hybrids have made an appearance on the US market as of late and there are even tax breaks up to $2,000.00 per year for investing in them.US Flywheel is making headway wih flywheel batteries.Solar and solid fuel cells are moving forward as well.All of these brilliant inspirations scare the hell out of Oil Men and the third world tyrants they own.They are more interested in extremely educated and innovative slaves.Pyramid building could be alive and well again soon.Imagine the absolute fear of those who governing folks who have turned over their ilusion of control to computer systems.They struggle with email while passing laws governing systems and people they will never understand.(Myself included to a large degree.)Some of these folks are more concerned with the evils of spam and "electronic terrorists" than with the volumes of unrecyclable junk mail filling our mail boxen.Complete with untraced athrax spores from the Ames strain letters. http://www.fas.org/bwc/news/anthraxreport.htm is an interesting and involved read. Wow bad spelling big tyrade....apollo
re#2: Time will tell in the long run won't it. In the near short term the specific case of Iraq is a case where clearly there was a train wreck building up, and we intervened to prevent the obvious. Incidently liberating a nation which is always a cool thing to do. The multitude of US intelligence agencies weren't outsmarted - one has only to look to Rumsfeld's comments from april where he clearly stated the most disturbing thing to him would be if the allies didn't easily find WMD which indicates that not only had they gamed that scenario but had ACA's in mind. To give the devil his due it was Clinton that first officially mandated "regime change" - the removal of the Hussein regime in Iraq - something that Bush-I didn't do for other reasons (Iran was in a much better position then to exploit such and it was probably the correct decision at the time as well). Re#5: Something like what the US christian and mormon churches have and continue to do for a long time? I find it interesting that a libertarian would call for the increased funding of any government in the form of any tax increase as a solution to anything. (How about letting the free market of ideas play itself out?) More money for education didn't work (obviously in your case). Gas taxes are already high enough tank-you very much. The price of a gallon of gasoline in Iraq rose to in the equivalent of 50 to 60 cents a gallon as a result of the war and boy were they pissed. (Know what percentage of a gallon is taxes already and isn't that enough for pete sake?) re#6: Gasoline engines are hardly obsolete. Anthrax spores in physical mail may become like cocaine traces on money - detectible but meaningless. And as for the rest of yer post...I'm surprised that you haven't noticed that you can connect Kevin Bacon in with it all as the true criminal mastermind...
re#7 Point taken. "Obsolete" is an exaggeration. Gasohol or some other hybrid fuel will burn clean and cheap in a combustion engine. I agree that conspiracy theories are abundant and can be connected to any meaningless object,idea or person. I do believe that the facts and progression of events since early 2001 should be investigated. Perhaps investigated with at least as much push as Clinton and his sexual habits while in office. Anthrax and cocaine are very different substances. The anthrax spores used in the US are part of a particular strain. More important is the milling process used to make the anthrax effective while airborne. Anthrax is considered by some experts as a garden variety microbe. In some places cocoa leaves are abundant too. Hopefully military grade milled anthrax will never be as commonplace in mail as cocaine on money.
yes we have to worry about the Saudis, but I think Iran, Lebanon, and North Korea are the next on the hit list if such a thing exists. The Isrealis may take care of Lebanon, we will have to take care of N. Korea along with our allies, adn the Canadians will have to take out Iran. Why the Canada vs. Iran? Because a very popular canadian journalist has just been beaten to death by the Iranian religious police. Course they may have to get rid of Chretien first.
Re #6: You've got some of your facts wrong: Diesel-electric locomotives do not use batteries (they dump energy into resistor banks when they need to do dynamic braking), and some combustion engines reach efficiencies up in the neighborhood of 60%, which is fuel-cell territory. Re #7: (I don't notice those churches teaching hatred of the USA...) It doesn't follow that an advocate of higher petroleum taxes also advocates higher government revenue; it is perfectly feasible to cut taxes elsewhere. That would probably be a good thing, because "consumption taxes" would spur investment and taxing the consumption of what is perhaps the world's most problematic legal commodity and prompting investment in ways to reduce its use sure isn't going to hurt the country. By reducing our capital outflows it would probably help the economy out of recession; I think it's no coincidence that the slow recovery is going hand-in-hand with high oil prices and record-low vehicle fuel economy.
Re #10 Interesting stuff about the diesel-electrics. I've just begun to learn about energy and different types of engines. The National Railway Historical Society has a cool site: http://www.crisny.org/not-for-profit/railroad/en_info.htm#dc They talk about several models of locomotives and advantages / disadvantages of DC and AC motors applied to working tractors. What sources have you found for information on combustion engines? I'd like to read more ... Cheers
I have dealt with this issue in a previous thread. None of the elite grexers could withstand my logic or reason. I provided proof positive that this is liberal propaganda. I hardly think your pea brain could stand in the fray.
You have logic/reason? Huh!! . . . . Are you sure??
sj2....you're a one line,hit and run post whore.STFU.
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