Grex Agora46 Conference

Item 8: I'm Bummed, I'm Bummed, I'm really really Bummed

Entered by mooncat on Sun Jun 22 23:03:42 2003:

Okay, so we have a happy item... so now, if you're bummed, down, 
depressed, saddened, etc. Please, tell us why??
594 responses total.

#1 of 594 by jazz on Mon Jun 23 05:30:38 2003:

        I'm saddened that my problem with my neighbors seems compltely
unresolveable.


#2 of 594 by mrmat on Mon Jun 23 13:30:17 2003:

IBB according to news reports, Tiger Stadium may be torn down to put up 
a Walmart. : (


#3 of 594 by jep on Mon Jun 23 14:19:11 2003:

The latest notion I've heard is that Tiger Stadium may be torn down so 
the land can be sold for development.  There are no current specific 
proposals for development, as far as I know.

I just heard about Tiger Stadium on the radio this morning, from sports 
talk station WTKA (AM-1050).  Detroit is currently paying the Tigers 
about a half-million dollars per year to maintain Tiger Stadium.  From 
what I've heard, the field still looks like a ballfield (though not a 
major league one).  The grass is mowed, the infield is being 
maintained, the outfield isn't pristine as it used to be, but it's not 
bad.

Some parts of the stands are not safe any longer.  If they ever opened 
Tiger Stadium up for any events, as they did once for a women's 
baseball game a few years ago, there'd be restrictions on where you 
could sit and what parts you could go to.

The outside of the stadium looks shabby, from what I've heard from 
friends.  I guess it's not being painted and repaired any longer.

I'd very much like to go visit Tiger Stadium before it is torn down.


#4 of 594 by dcat on Mon Jun 23 15:46:23 2003:

IBB it'll be at least a month before I see my girlfriend again.


#5 of 594 by gregb on Mon Jun 23 15:57:31 2003:

IBB I don't have a girlfriend to see. B-(

Now don't you feel better, Dcat?


#6 of 594 by dcat on Mon Jun 23 16:02:06 2003:

oh yes, much.
 :-)


#7 of 594 by novomit on Mon Jun 23 17:39:53 2003:

IBB my cat died this week. 


#8 of 594 by slynne on Mon Jun 23 19:07:54 2003:

condolences about your cat. 


#9 of 594 by gregb on Mon Jun 23 21:12:15 2003:

Sorry to hear about that,Puke...er, Vomit ;-)


#10 of 594 by dcat on Wed Jun 25 12:49:46 2003:

Leon Uris died this weekend, of renal failure.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/25/obituaries/25URIS.html


#11 of 594 by beeswing on Wed Jun 25 13:16:10 2003:

So sorry novomit. I miss my Harlis cat terribly.


#12 of 594 by tod on Wed Jun 25 15:58:57 2003:

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#13 of 594 by gelinas on Wed Jun 25 17:27:46 2003:

I read a lot of his stuff, but I never finished Exodus.  Have been meaning
to try it again.


#14 of 594 by kip on Wed Jun 25 17:33:46 2003:

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#15 of 594 by kip on Wed Jun 25 17:38:10 2003:

IBB there's a beautiful piece of stained glass in my office, but I can't
seem
to find a way to hang it safely in my window.  Drat.


#16 of 594 by jep on Thu Jun 26 03:08:25 2003:

I have found my ex-wife has had her live-in boyfriend watching John, 
without my knowledge (until John told me of it) for the last two days 
while she was not present.  I have made it explicitly clear to her 
that that person is not to be with John without a responsible adult's 
supervision.

After I found out he was watching John yesterday, I contacted the 
Friend of the Court's office to find out what I can do about it.  My 
case worker is a man, and was very reasonable at listening to what I 
had to say.  I'd expected him to berate me because my issue is not 
pressing compared to others he must hear.  I was wrong; he was 
respectful and helpful.  There wasn't anything he could do on the 
spot, of course, but he was very nice.

He advised me to write him a letter, outlining my complaints about the 
violations of the mediation agreement.  He will then take appropriate 
action.

The boyfriend was watching John again today.  I had a shouting match 
with my ex-wife over it over the phone a few minutes ago.  There will 
certainly be no doubt that I'm opposed to that person watching my 
son.  I managed to also point out this was a violation of the 
mediation agreement regarding "right of first refusal" (today) and an 
abuse of the right of first refusal (*she* was supposed to watch John 
yesterday; he explicitly was *not*).

The final straw has been loaded onto the back of the camel.  There 
will be no more wishful thinking, that maybe the mediation agreement 
is better than the alternative, even if it's only being kept to by 
me.  I'm going to write the letter which was suggested to me; actually 
I've mostly written it.  Also, I will be calling my lawyer tomorrow to 
see if there's anything she should be doing. 


#17 of 594 by keesan on Thu Jun 26 08:42:14 2003:

Jim complained to the court one summer when his ex refused to let his daughter
visit for a month.  The only result of this was that a few months later they
sent her a letter telling her not to do this again.

Do you want to offer to pay for daycare somewhere at times when both parents
are working?


#18 of 594 by anderyn on Thu Jun 26 11:48:47 2003:

Best of luck with getting the situation resolved to something more stable,
John. 


#19 of 594 by jep on Thu Jun 26 12:12:57 2003:

re resp:17: I am quite willing to pay for day care, if that's what's 
needed.  I am already paying more than double the FoC recommended child 
support, which was supposed to be compensation to her for watching John 
mroe than half the time.  (It's a miniscule amount of money.)  I am not 
willing to pay for her boyfriend to be alone with John.  I'm willing to 
pay quite a lot to prevent him from being with John.

I am also willing to leave work in order to watch my son for an hour, 
or an afternoon, or whatever else is needed.  The mediation agreement 
specifies we'll give each other the "right of first refusal", which 
means she has to ask me first.  But she doesn't do it.

re resp:18: Thanks!

Divorce is the most disillusioning experience I can imagine.


#20 of 594 by arianna on Thu Jun 26 13:27:04 2003:

IBB my sprained ankle is being very  s l o w  in healing.  I hurt it on
Memorial day and it's still bruised and tends toward swelling.  It's gotten
better, but not fast enough; I have stuff to do, not the least of which is
moving.  I'm moving back in with some old roommates because my current one
is moving back down south (she's finished her master's and gotten a teaching
job in Tampa) -- that'll be this weekend, and I'm STILL working on packing
that I wish had been done a week ago.

On 7/1 my benefits begin; I work in a neurology office that's adjacent to one
of the hospitals, and working for doctors means great benefits, I've
discovered.  I can go have it looked at on or after that date.


#21 of 594 by maryeliz on Thu Jun 26 17:12:28 2003:

IBB i found out that a guy i like is already taken =( oh well i'll move on.


#22 of 594 by michaela on Thu Jun 26 17:26:17 2003:

I'm giddily in love, but he lives three hours away.  It's not 
hopeless, but it's annoying enough to make me a bit bummed.


#23 of 594 by arianna on Thu Jun 26 18:55:53 2003:

been there. <brandishes the t-shirt> my condolances, Sarah.


#24 of 594 by keesan on Thu Jun 26 22:22:10 2003:

Does John III's school have a daycare program for kids to go to before and
after school that he could attend just 2-3 days a week (your days)?


#25 of 594 by eskarina on Thu Jun 26 23:44:22 2003:

I'm giddily in love, but he lives four hours away from where I am right now.

Bummage.


#26 of 594 by dcat on Fri Jun 27 01:16:12 2003:

resp:25 and not only that, in the fall he'll be about seven hours away.

:-(


#27 of 594 by jaklumen on Fri Jun 27 02:06:27 2003:

speaking of daycare, we will have to have our daughter go to one.  
Julie likes the one she found, thankfully, and it would be a temporary 
arrangement most likely if all goes the way we want it to, i.e., she 
gets to participate in the Community Jobs program and gets an 
afternoon assignment.


#28 of 594 by beeswing on Fri Jun 27 03:31:59 2003:

Speaking of daycares. Yesterday here a 2 1/2 year old little girl died
in a Day Care van. The driver forgot her and left her in the van. She
was there for 8 hours in 90+ degree heat. She roasted, literally.

This happens here about three times each summer. Last year two kids died
in the same way on the same day.

Just something to think about.


#29 of 594 by jmsaul on Fri Jun 27 12:56:26 2003:

Parents do that more often than daycares do.


#30 of 594 by gull on Fri Jun 27 13:05:03 2003:

Re #25: I know how tough that can be. I'm in love with someone 1,900
miles away.


#31 of 594 by keesan on Fri Jun 27 16:51:52 2003:

I wonder if there is any chance of renegotiating the mediation agreement such
that Andrea agrees to allow David to spend time with John II.  I have no idea
what she is afraid John might do to David.  In exchange, John II could agree
in writing not to say or do anything about John III spending time unsupervised
with the man he is already living with anyway.  Again, I have no idea what
John II is afraid might happen to John III.  Would he be fed vodka for lunch?
Are recovered alcoholics dangerous people, any more than recovered smokers?
Andrea is clearly violating the spirit of the agreement regarding David, if
he was supposed to visit 'whenever he wanted'.  


#32 of 594 by edina on Fri Jun 27 17:56:18 2003:

All of the recovering alcoholics/addicts I know are generally fun, down to
earth people.  But I suspect that John cares less about his addiction status
than just the idea of the man himself.


#33 of 594 by tod on Fri Jun 27 20:58:31 2003:

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#34 of 594 by jazz on Fri Jun 27 21:01:11 2003:

        Is he *currently* an alcoholic?


#35 of 594 by keesan on Fri Jun 27 21:56:37 2003:

I have neighbors with a genetic tendency to alcoholism.  The adult son has
let it run his life and has been in and out of treatment programs.  He is a
very very nice guy who would never hurt anyone (except of course himself).
His sister, a doctor, says she knows there is a family problem, and she
therefore avoids alcohol.  Other relatives have had various other drug
problems.  The fact that you are unable to control yourself once you start
drinking does not mean that you cannot keep yourself from starting.

I think it might be harder to quit smoking than alcohol, judging from a couple
of other neighbors and how often they have quit.


#36 of 594 by tod on Fri Jun 27 22:45:38 2003:

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#37 of 594 by dcat on Fri Jun 27 23:34:09 2003:

It is both more and less likely for kids to start smoking if their parents
smoke.  It's easier to get cigarettes & associated necessities, certainly,
but you also get to see first hand just how disgusting it is.  (, he said from
personal experience.)


#38 of 594 by i on Sat Jun 28 01:20:29 2003:

I have no true love nor even slightly plausable prospect within *ANY*
finite distance.

(Now who's gonna one-up that, and how?)


#39 of 594 by lowclass on Sat Jun 28 02:21:11 2003:

        I've got a Sport's illustrated Swimsuit screensaver installed. It shuts
down the computer anythime I walk into the room.



#40 of 594 by slynne on Sat Jun 28 03:45:03 2003:

resp:38 - ditto the no true love thing *and* I have my period :P


#41 of 594 by keesan on Sat Jun 28 05:34:39 2003:

Perhaps slynne and i could be true loves?
My father smoked until I was 11.  He tried various means of quitting (pipe,
cigar).  I don't know how my mother ever married a smoker.  She and both my
brother and I detested the smoke, which made us ill.  Perhaps I would not be
allergic if I had not be continuously poisoned during my childhood.
My father refused to believe his vice was making us all sick.  He did quit
when the doctor told him it was necessary to cure his ulcer.

I find a true friend to be much more useful, longterm, than a true love.


#42 of 594 by marinego on Sat Jun 28 05:46:34 2003:

Hello!Everyone! I'm new here.


#43 of 594 by orinoco on Sat Jun 28 16:13:20 2003:

i -- Does that mean you're madly in love with someone an infinite number of
miles away?


#44 of 594 by eskarina on Sat Jun 28 18:24:09 2003:

re 41:  If one's true love isn't also a true friend then it isn't much of a
true love.


#45 of 594 by dcat on Sat Jun 28 21:12:36 2003:

IBB, having not gone to bed till 3, I didn't wake up till 11, and thus missed
not only Habitat but Grexwalk.



#46 of 594 by other on Sun Jun 29 06:58:01 2003:

Four hours after putting my laptop away in my car tonight, I noticed that 
it was extremely warm to the touch, and now the battery appears to be 
completely discharged and its indicator lights won't even work.

I'm nervous about even leaving it back in its slot for fear it will cook 
the computer.


#47 of 594 by michaela on Sun Jun 29 09:20:44 2003:

I drank waaaaaaaaaay too much tonight, and now I have a headache.  
Water is a Very Good Thing.

I'm NOT getting onto that waterbed until I've sobered up a bit.  :-P


#48 of 594 by tpryan on Sun Jun 29 13:47:32 2003:

        ?Roller coaster sleep-ride?


#49 of 594 by russ on Sun Jun 29 19:41:39 2003:

IBB I went to Hell and I found *nothing* worth buying as gifts for
friends.  All the tasteful "Hell" silkscreened logos, all the quality
embroidered flannel stuff... nowhere in evidence.


#50 of 594 by arabella on Sun Jun 29 20:34:42 2003:

I am moderately bummed because my knees have been bothering me since
coming to Bulgaria.  The last time I went to Europe, my knees 
adjusted to all the extra walking within about a week.  They are 
being much more recalcitrant this time.



#51 of 594 by i on Mon Jun 30 00:14:45 2003:

Re: #40 - nope, you must stay within the "love" category - no upping the
ante with ailments, bills, car repairs, drunken roommates, etc.
Re: #43 - no...i don't even believe anyone's out there at such a distance
Re: #39 - kinda cool as a one-up attempt, if it is
Re: #41/44 - i'd guess that for most people, "true friend" is a more long-
      term stable/reliable relationship than "true love".


#52 of 594 by slynne on Mon Jun 30 01:08:19 2003:

hey. no one ever said anything about rules! but ok...

how about, I have no true love and I am unlikely to get a date because 
I keep talking about my period in public. 


#53 of 594 by rcurl on Mon Jun 30 02:02:57 2003:

IBB my bathroom exhaust fan motor has dropped from 3000 RPM (nominal) to
1600 RPM (measured). Must have lost a coil.  


#54 of 594 by keesan on Mon Jun 30 02:22:23 2003:

How did you measure your fan?

Slynne, there are people who appreciate honesty, don't despair!
What has your period been up to recently?  (Or is grex TOO public?).


#55 of 594 by other on Mon Jun 30 04:43:50 2003:

Probably with a timing strobe.


#56 of 594 by jaklumen on Mon Jun 30 04:45:20 2003:

resp:47 yep.  After all, intoxication is dehydration of the brain, and 
so water is a good thing for a hangover.


#57 of 594 by rcurl on Mon Jun 30 05:47:05 2003:

I don't have a strobe so I rigged a contact point on the blower, a
battery, and a frequency meter, and read 26.8 Hz. (I had to add a R-C
filter to stetch the pulses a little and remove some higher frequency
noise.)



#58 of 594 by michaela on Mon Jun 30 08:24:05 2003:

Re #56 - Yup.  I learned long ago that the trick is to drink three glasses
of water before bed and then take aspirin with another three glasses of water
the minute I wake up.  I have yet to be hungover.  :)

(I ended up sleeping on the couch instead of the waterbed... a wise decision
since the motion would have made me sick).


#59 of 594 by slynne on Mon Jun 30 13:19:37 2003:

If drinking three glasses of water with aspirin before bed and then 
having three glasses of water when you wake up keeps you from having a 
hangover, you havent had enough to drink! 


#60 of 594 by gregb on Mon Jun 30 15:36:02 2003:

IBB cuz my vacation's over and all I have to show for it is a broken 
toe.

As for this "love" thing, I gave up on that concept years ago, so who 
cares.


#61 of 594 by gull on Mon Jun 30 16:27:43 2003:

The water probably helps more than the asprin.  Most hangover symptoms
are caused by dehydration.  (Alcohol is a diuretic.)


#62 of 594 by gull on Mon Jun 30 16:28:43 2003:

Re #60: I thought I'd given up on it until I met someone...it was a
gradual thing, to.  We were only very casual friends at first.

I tend to think real love is something that comes along when you're not
looking too hard for it.


#63 of 594 by lynne on Mon Jun 30 18:43:08 2003:

re 62:  yup, but most of us are control freaks and can't stop looking in the
wrong places while waiting for the right person to come bop you on the head.
I think I'm beyond "in love" with a person who, I'm firmly convinced, is
THE most wonderful person ever created.  Except for living 2600 miles away.


#64 of 594 by slynne on Mon Jun 30 19:13:47 2003:

resp:62 - HAHA. I dont know, I know plenty of people who found true 
love by looking for it just like I know a few people who stopped 
looking and then never found it. I think looking for someone to hook up 
with probably increases ones chances of finding someone. Although, of 
course, not looking doesnt elimiate the chances of finding someone.

I think it just has to do with luck for the most part. I used to think 
it had a lot to do with a persons looks and/or personality but then I 
started to notice that lots of ugly people and lots of people with 
horrible personalities were able to find mates. Yup. I pretty much 
think it is just luck. And, fwiw, it isnt the end of the world to be 
single although it can get a little depressing sometimes. 



#65 of 594 by dcat on Mon Jun 30 21:32:19 2003:

resp:60 et al.:  i can assure you that i wasn't 'looking for' anything two
& half months before moving away to a school six hours away. . . esp. since
i wasn't really planning to come back. . .


#66 of 594 by orinoco on Tue Jul 1 00:54:15 2003:

Feh.  My whole face hurts again.  So much for the "miracle dry socket cure".


#67 of 594 by jor on Tue Jul 1 01:04:48 2003:

        you just had an extraction?


#68 of 594 by senna on Tue Jul 1 02:22:48 2003:

A person's attitude has a lot to do with their ability to find a relationship,
trying or otherwise.  


#69 of 594 by slynne on Tue Jul 1 02:30:09 2003:

I suppose that is true and yet, some of the most awesome people I know 
havent found a relationship. Seriously, these are people who dont have 
attitude problems. When a physically attractive, smart, educated, kind, 
emotionally healthy, outgoing person with LOTS of friends cant find a 
relationship, it must just be bad luck.

Of course, those people (and me too) do share a common attitude and 
that is that it is better to be single to be in a bad relationship. I 
have known people who have stayed in pretty abusive situations because 
they are afraid of being alone. I dont think that is what you meant 
though.


#70 of 594 by beeswing on Tue Jul 1 04:26:19 2003:

I'm inclined to agree with slynne.


#71 of 594 by eskarina on Tue Jul 1 04:28:22 2003:

re 60, 65:  Roger that, I certainly wasn't looking for a relationship at TOP
setup... I was ind of looking forward to being single in Chicago.


#72 of 594 by other on Tue Jul 1 05:14:41 2003:

I still get a kick out of being an unintentional matchmaker.  :):)


#73 of 594 by dcat on Tue Jul 1 13:55:57 2003:

resp:71  as was i in Pittsburgh. . . . ah well, best laid plans of cats and
men, eh?


#74 of 594 by gull on Tue Jul 1 15:05:17 2003:

IBB I have a dental appointment this afternoon.  I hate dental
appointments.  It should be relatively painless, though, since this time
I haven't put it off quite so long.


#75 of 594 by orinoco on Tue Jul 1 15:05:59 2003:

(psst... "cats and women")

jor -- yeah: got all four wisdom teeth out.


#76 of 594 by senna on Tue Jul 1 21:05:58 2003:

There's a difference between being healthily selective (which is undervalued)
and being excessively picky.  I know more than one person who disqualifies
every potential match on some grounds or another, and/or who sabotages those
relationships to keep them from working out.  Sometimes intentionally,
sometimes otherwise.

There is no sure-fire method--otherwise, people would be doing it.  All people
would be doing it.  There are, however, things to do that can help.


#77 of 594 by slynne on Tue Jul 1 21:27:28 2003:

I think it is easy to be critical about people being "overly picky". 
Let me ask you this, since you are about to get married. Are you in 
love with this woman who is your fiance? I would submit that most 
people who disqualify every potential match on some grounds or another 
probably are not really in love and are looking for a way out. In other 
words, they havent been lucky enoungh to find a person they could 
really fall in love with. If you didnt really love your fiance, would 
you stay with her or would you maybe start thinking of reasons to 
disqualify her? 

Of course, there are people who choose to be single but pretend to make 
an effort to be with someone because of societal pressures.  

And there are certainly things a person can do to improve the odds in 
the romantic relationship game. I dont dispute that at all. Let's face 
it, the Jennifer Anistons of the world have more options than the 
Roseanne Barrs. But, ultimately it still comes down to luck. 


#78 of 594 by tod on Tue Jul 1 21:54:15 2003:

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#79 of 594 by keesan on Tue Jul 1 22:29:33 2003:

How many people think you have to fall in love with someone to want to live
with them?  That seems like a pretty unrealistic requirement.


#80 of 594 by tod on Tue Jul 1 23:11:47 2003:

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#81 of 594 by richard on Tue Jul 1 23:49:55 2003:

IBB Katherine Hepburn died on Sunday.  Not only was she one of Hollywood's
greatest stars, but she was a feminist well before her time.  She was living
in sin with a married man, Spencer Tracy, for many years during a time when
such arrangements would have been scandalous.  She didn't care what other
people thought, she did her own thing.  Katherine Hepburn was cool.

Also liked the story that she won a record four best actress academy awards,
and never showed up to accept any of them.  When Hepburn won for "Lion in
Winter", a friend went and picked up her oscar at the ceremony.  She told him
to just drop by her house, put the statue in a paper bag, and stick it in a
cupboard.  Two decades later, this friend was visiting and remembered doing
that.  He looked in the cupboard and the oscar was still there, in the paper
bag.  Hepburn had never looked at it, much less had it engraved.  

She was one of a kind.  RIP


#82 of 594 by keesan on Wed Jul 2 02:38:20 2003:

re 81 - it is not about housemates.


#83 of 594 by senna on Wed Jul 2 03:10:30 2003:

I'm talking about people who disqualify peotential mates before it gets very
serious.  Of course, people don't always realize what's involved in committed
relationships.


#84 of 594 by anderyn on Wed Jul 2 13:23:27 2003:

Bummed because our office has had windows replaced and my allergies flared
up big time, so had to use personal time to book it out of there. And because
the cat is having a big "MEW MAMA FIX THINGS" breakdown, all night, every half
hour, she'd come in and MEW at me.


#85 of 594 by lynne on Wed Jul 2 17:19:33 2003:

Gahhh.  I have about 48 hours' worth of work to do in the next 24.  Also, 
my boss is a complete ass.  Just in case I haven't mentioned it before.


#86 of 594 by gregb on Wed Jul 2 17:23:29 2003:

And hope he/she doesn't doesn't Grex.

IBB I bought an SATA HD and didn't know it required a different power 
connection than that used with ATA drives.  So now I have a drive and 
no way to power it.  B-(


#87 of 594 by eskarina on Wed Jul 2 21:20:58 2003:

re 81:  I would argue that "living in sin" with a married man could/would and
perhaps should still be considered "scandalous", or at least wrong.

I've said it before, I'll say it again:  there's too much cheating in the
world today.


#88 of 594 by jazz on Wed Jul 2 23:47:57 2003:

        "Living in sin" is a nice concept if you subscribe to that particular
system of beliefs.  A lot of people don't.  But it doesn't imply adultery or
non-monogamy.


#89 of 594 by lynne on Wed Jul 2 23:49:00 2003:

Oh, I'm pretty sure he knows he's an ass.  And positive he doesn't grex.
IBB Richard misspelled "Katharine Hepburn".


#90 of 594 by richard on Wed Jul 2 23:57:00 2003:

#89...no I didn't...re-read my post, I spelled "katherine hepburn" 
correctly


#91 of 594 by richard on Wed Jul 2 23:59:06 2003:

richard's original post:

"IBB Katherine Hepburn died on Sunday.  Not only was she one of 
Hollywood's greatest stars, but she was a feminist well before her 
time.  She was living in sin with a married man, Spencer Tracy, for 
many years during a time when such arrangements would have been 
scandalous.  She didn't care what other people thought, she did her own 
thing.  Katherine Hepburn was cool.

Also liked the story that she won a record four best actress academy 
awards,and never showed up to accept any of them.  When Hepburn won 
for "Lion in Winter", a friend went and picked up her oscar at the 
ceremony.  She told him to just drop by her house, put the statue in a 
paper bag, and stick it in a cupboard.  Two decades later, this friend 
was visiting and remembered doing that.  He looked in the cupboard and 
the oscar was still there, in the paper bag.  Hepburn had never looked 
at it, much less had it engraved.  

She was one of a kind.  RIP"

don't see any misspelled katherine hepburns...



#92 of 594 by keesan on Thu Jul 3 00:06:26 2003:

Katharine vs Katherine (a - e)

If she was living with a married man, he was probably not also living with
his wife, meaning they were at least physically separated but not divorced.
Divorce used to be more difficult.


#93 of 594 by richard on Thu Jul 3 00:07:53 2003:

okay I did a google search, and its spelled both ways in numerous places. they
are both correct spellings 


#94 of 594 by jaklumen on Thu Jul 3 00:42:42 2003:

my 13 mo. old daughter is cutting her first molars and a canine, and 
it's just knocking her out.  Poor little Sarah.


#95 of 594 by richard on Thu Jul 3 01:21:42 2003:

IBB famed children's author Robert McCloskey died today at age 88.
McCloskey was the author of one of my alltime favorite books when I was
little, "Make Way for Ducklings"  I love that book.  In fact I gave a
copy of it to my little niece not too long ago.

RIP


#96 of 594 by gelinas on Thu Jul 3 02:44:22 2003:

(While there are many spellings of the name, each holder usually uses only
one spelling.  Using a different spelling is incorrect.  I don't know how Ms.
Hepburn spelled her name.)


#97 of 594 by tod on Thu Jul 3 04:31:15 2003:

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#98 of 594 by remmers on Thu Jul 3 13:38:17 2003:

(FWIW, it's spelled "Katharine" in her New York Times obit and everywhere
on IMDB.  I think we can assume that this spelling is correct and others
are not.)


#99 of 594 by tod on Thu Jul 3 15:56:30 2003:

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#100 of 594 by lynne on Thu Jul 3 18:45:47 2003:

Thank you, remmers. And gelinas.  


#101 of 594 by michaela on Thu Jul 3 19:01:15 2003:

Richard, "Sarah" and "Sara" are both correct spellings, but you'll get
beat if you spell my name as "Sara".

Get it now?  :)


#102 of 594 by michaela on Thu Jul 3 19:02:01 2003:

s/beat/beaten


#103 of 594 by tod on Thu Jul 3 19:18:06 2003:

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#104 of 594 by beeswing on Fri Jul 4 03:52:46 2003:

Yet another job rejection.

I cannot take this anymore.

All I want is to support myself. I'm not sure why this is apparently too
tall an order.


#105 of 594 by jazz on Fri Jul 4 04:55:25 2003:

        Keep at it, bees.  It gets really tough at times, but if you keep
slogging through eventually you'll eventually get the one call that leads to
something.


#106 of 594 by i on Fri Jul 4 11:40:58 2003:

You've got *lots* of company - unemployment hit another new high this
past week.  Every day, though, a few folks *do* get jobs.  Remember
that you've got to keep playing to win, and that the slim odds are the
fault of the house, not you.


#107 of 594 by gregb on Fri Jul 4 15:42:05 2003:

Trish, have you tried employment agencies/websites?  Also, I forget the 
name, but there's a government agency that provides free job search 
assistance helps with things like resumes, interview skills, etc.  
Also, check with your college/university Career Planning & Placement 
office.  Even if your a former student, they often still provide their 
services.

Good luck.


#108 of 594 by other on Sat Jul 5 07:19:35 2003:

I let my bike idle in the hot sun for too long today, which ran the 
electric fan and drained the battery to the point at which it wouldn't 
start the bike when I wanted to come home tonight.

I tried push starting it by running down the ramp and popping the clutch 
into fourth gear (the highest), but to no avail.

I asked some co-workers for help jump-starting it, but they had no 
cables.

Finally, I improvised and grabbed a couple of guitar cords from the sound 
shed at TOP, and using them as cables and with my two co-workers holding 
the ends in the right places in lieu of clamps, I successfully got the 
bike running.


#109 of 594 by jaklumen on Sat Jul 5 09:40:42 2003:

resp:101  Indeed.  I spell my name "Jonathan," not the alternate and 
uncommon "Jonathon," and certainly not the blatantly wrong "Johnathan".

p.s. we spell our daughter's name Sarah too, hence some confusion in 
the past ;)


#110 of 594 by cmcgee on Sat Jul 5 12:08:15 2003:

<envisioning other's helpers holding bare metal wires in bare hands.  agrees
to leave it to professionals and not try it at home>


#111 of 594 by russ on Sat Jul 5 12:28:35 2003:

The leaking plastic coolant bottle I had to take out of my car was
not marked with a recycling symbol, so despite it probably being a
good grade of HDPE I had to toss it in the trash instead.


#112 of 594 by jazz on Sat Jul 5 14:54:51 2003:

        Mad goatheads at Eric for his Spinal Tap style hardcoreness.


#113 of 594 by tpryan on Sat Jul 5 14:55:32 2003:

        Suffered through a 7 hour or so power failure yesterday.  The
storm knocked some wires down.  janc was closer to ground zero than
I was.   From near 1pm to after 8pm.


#114 of 594 by other on Sat Jul 5 16:23:31 2003:

(If I was really hardcore, I'd have two quarter-inch patch cord jacks 
built into the battery cover so I wouldn't need clamps or assistance to 
jumpstart the bike with guitar cords.)


#115 of 594 by jazz on Sat Jul 5 17:53:38 2003:

        
        Making guinea pigs hold the wires is good for a few extra punk rock
points, though.


#116 of 594 by other on Sat Jul 5 18:00:27 2003:

Only the tips were making contact, and I knew the cords were good, since 
we've been using them throughout TOP, so there was no risk.


#117 of 594 by beeswing on Sat Jul 5 21:06:28 2003:

I've done all I know to do in looking for a job. Believe me. 

IBB I woke up this morning to a red, splotchy and peeling face. Alas, it
was mine. I don't know what caused this. Maybe too much chlorine in the
pool last night, but I didn't get my face all that wet.



#118 of 594 by tpryan on Sun Jul 6 00:42:31 2003:

        Oh, guitar chords, not guitar strings.


#119 of 594 by russ on Sun Jul 6 04:27:40 2003:

An inlay fell out and I can't get it dealt with until Monday.
How annoying.


#120 of 594 by tsty on Sun Jul 6 07:11:09 2003:

ibb   this 'retirement' community is still hell-bent on kicking
my mother out. even the judge is in onthe deal - judicial whatever
]sommission will hear from me.
  
sill inside the 'legal' 'process' and it's not looking too good.
  
these fsckers even sued my deceased father for trespass - go figure.


#121 of 594 by scott on Sun Jul 6 08:37:10 2003:

(Actually Eric would have gotten even more punk rock points for failing 
to start the bike at all, instead pushing it into the street and then 
sleeping in a puddle under the stage)


#122 of 594 by scott on Sun Jul 6 12:40:44 2003:

I'm tired and my feet hurt.


#123 of 594 by eskarina on Sun Jul 6 19:49:19 2003:

in a short time I will again be 4 hours away from dcat.


#124 of 594 by dcat on Sun Jul 6 20:07:45 2003:

Our electricity managed to survive the Friday storm, but went out today.


#125 of 594 by gull on Mon Jul 7 14:09:33 2003:

Re #104: I hate this economy.  Didn't Bush tell us he was going to
jump-start it?  Maybe other should loan him some guitar cords.


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#127 of 594 by flem on Mon Jul 7 18:25:25 2003:

Meetings.  Feh.  I was just starting to build some momentum and really get
things done (good for a monday) and had to sit through an hour long meeting
during which, as usual, not one single important thing was said.  My momentum
is wrecked, and since for the last hour I've had nothing to do but sit and
think about how much I dislike this company, I expect a hard time getting it
back.  


#128 of 594 by eskarina on Mon Jul 7 18:41:28 2003:

Today is blah.  Last night some high schooler pulled the fire alarm in my dorm
in the middle of the night (this is the 3rd time since I've moved in) so I
got even less sleep than I would have otherwise.  Almost falling asleep on
the bus to school.  Ms. Lemons was at school today and Ms. Rocha is a wimp
so I didn't really push the kids to think today knowing that I'd have no
backup if I did.  I officially teach tomorrow, my "supervisor" is coming. 
And because I'm so brillant I left the book I was going to take home to
prepare with at school.  Oh well, I'll just get there early tomorrow and look
at it... shouldn't take too long to make some decisions, the investigations
aren't long.  I wish a lot of the questions were better phrased in the book,
the kids don't always understand what is being asked, and its not their
fault.  Most of what I did today was take attendance and then staple
worksheets together.  Attendance in the second class is erratic and its
hurting my name learning.

On the way home, I got coffee at dunkin donuts cause I was still feeling
stupid.  I then proceded to spill in on myself on the 'L' and drop the donut
I bought on the floor (I didn't need it anyhow, I guess).

the AC in my dorm room is broken, so its even hotter in there than it is
outside.  They have thrown my stuff out of the way of the AC to look at it.
They aren't exactly sure what is wrong with it.

I have professional development in 20 minutes.  I'm SO not in the mood.

What I want to do is find a corner, crawl into it, and sleep.  Without being
bothered, for at least a day or so.  

I guess its not that bad of a day, now that I read it.  I'm just tired and
cranky.

I feel better now.  :)


#129 of 594 by glenda on Mon Jul 7 18:45:01 2003:

Glad we could help.


#130 of 594 by slynne on Mon Jul 7 19:40:10 2003:

Sometimes venting makes everything better. I know it works for me! 



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#132 of 594 by gregb on Mon Jul 7 20:23:52 2003:

IBB I read Eskarina's msg.

Everybody sing!...

   Monday, Monday
   Can't trust that day...



#133 of 594 by scg on Mon Jul 7 23:14:22 2003:

What sort of job are you looking for, Trisha?

For me, looking for work with a "what I want to do is keep myself busy (but
support myself probably would have been interchangable), why won't anybody
let me?" attitude didn't get very far.  Once I shifted to, "what can I do that
is really needed," my luck got a lot better.  I'm seeing that a lot among
people I know these days.  In my case, yet another resume being added to the
hundreds that were being received for every network engineer job posting
didn't do anything to help anybody.


#134 of 594 by jep on Tue Jul 8 02:13:34 2003:

Today, the 6 person part of my department in which I work had 2 people 
on vacation and 2 more out sick.  It was a horrendously busy day.


#135 of 594 by other on Tue Jul 8 03:04:28 2003:

I was understaffed and overstressed today.  I fear tomorrow may be 
similar.


#136 of 594 by glenda on Tue Jul 8 03:12:06 2003:

Yeah, for the first time Staci came home and collapsed on the couch while
getting up enough energy to go upstairs to her room.  I can only imagine how
much you guys had to do that exhausted her considerable energy levels.


#137 of 594 by dewshine on Tue Jul 8 23:22:56 2003:

Hm, I dont know where to begin.
 About a week and a half ago I had to deal with the hardest thing in my life.
I'm still dealing with it, but I seem to be ok as of now.
 His name was Victor, and he took his own life. He suffocated himself, but
how he did is not actually as important as I thought it was. He was 26, nearly
27.
 At his wake, his funeral, walking down the streets, passing Jimmy Johns al
I can/could do is look for him... but he wasnt there. Its very odd for someone
who is always around to not be around anymore.
 Nothing could really be said to make me feel better. But then again, what
can you say when something like this happens? No words can bring him back,
and no words can ease the heart and mind. For most of the day I didnt really
say anything. I got hugs, told people what happened and cried alot. I
eventually found a friend who somehow managed to make me feel somewhat better.
When I found him all I could do was hug him, and after I told him what
happened I couldnt let go. He held me for awhile, and held my hand for most
of the night. He didnt try any words, and I thank him for that. Every time
I've seen him since he's asked how I was doing, and knowing that he cares
helps. I cant really express what I would like to him, but I think he knows
I love him.
 I havent cried in several days, although I'm starting to as I write this.
I dont really know what to say. I've felt numb the enitre time. Empty, and
alone. While I know I'm not alone its hard to accept the fact that someone
I loved very dearly is gone forever.
 At his funeral I spoke of him, and it helped. I told the people of the fun
times I had with Victor, and I told them what he meant to me. 
 At this point in time all I can is continue to live my life and remember him.
But its still hard.


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#139 of 594 by slynne on Wed Jul 9 00:55:30 2003:

I am sorry to hear of your loss, Staci. Suicide is a hard way to lose 
someone you love. 


#140 of 594 by jazz on Wed Jul 9 01:06:33 2003:

        Todd and I both lost the same friend a few years back, and then a year
later, I lost another to suicide.  I agree with everything he's said.


#141 of 594 by jep on Wed Jul 9 03:20:52 2003:

Staci, I grieve for your loss.

I also have lost friends to suicide.  I was angry at them, especially 
the first time it happened.  How *dare* he do that?  He dropped a bomb 
on the people who loved him; his mother, the rest of his family, his 
friends, all who knew him.  Like Todd said, it is the most selfish act 
there is.  It hurts other people to the degree they care about you.

I might have a different perspective on it if it ever happens in my 
life again.  Suicides are calling out for attention in the most 
serious way they can, because they think nothing less than that is 
going to work.  Or else they're so miserable (lonely, sad, hopeless, 
in pain, desperate) they just can't stand it any more.  Or else they 
don't know what they're doing; they're so insane they don't 
understand.  There are other reasons... but if you imagine their state 
of mind, sitting somewhere by themself with a gun in their mouth or on 
top of a tall building or with drugs or whatever... it is terrible 
that anyone would have to feel that way.

Of the people I've known who have gone that way, they all had 
alternatives.  They all had someone who would have done *anything* to 
save them, to stop them, to ask/beg/persuade/force them to 
reconsider.  I think, in all of those cases, *they* *didn't* *know* 
anyone felt that way.  And no one knew they felt the way they did, 
either.

I think I'm over being angry at those people in my life who took their 
own lives.  They did a very selfish thing... but it's pretty selfish 
of me to be mad at them about it, too, especially now, after it's too 
late.

For now... mourn.  It's good to let it out and to let people share 
what they can to try to help you.  Maybe a lot of it doesn't make any 
sense to you now, but later on, some of it will come back and it'll 
help you to feel better then.


#142 of 594 by michaela on Wed Jul 9 03:42:24 2003:

My condolences, Staci.


#143 of 594 by jmsaul on Wed Jul 9 12:19:30 2003:

Mine, too.


#144 of 594 by anderyn on Wed Jul 9 12:53:35 2003:

Staci, I'm so sorry. I can only say that I know how it hurts, because I've
been there. I wish it hadn't had to happen to you, or to your friend Victor.


#145 of 594 by other on Wed Jul 9 14:41:31 2003:

Anyone who calls suicide a selfish act is speaking from an entirely 
irrelevant perspective.  The state of mind which produces the act 
prevents one from seeing it as anything but the only route of escape from 
absolutely unbearable circumstances.

Suicide is an act borne out of deep illness, not selfishness.  We should 
mourn only that we were too late to realize and help those who needed it, 
not what they took from us.


#146 of 594 by jazz on Wed Jul 9 14:48:18 2003:

        The two views aren't inconsistent.  Great desperation usually makes
people behave in completely selfish ways;  it's difficult to see the pain of
others when one is in great pain one's self.  It's a productive way of seeing
things, though, to realise that someone was in enough pain that they didn't
think (and probably couldn't) of what they were doing to the people around
them, and it motivates some people through tough times to stay alive.


#147 of 594 by dewshine on Wed Jul 9 15:56:19 2003:

 Thank you to all. And I think I'll stay out of the debate on suicide being
selfish.


#148 of 594 by mooncat on Wed Jul 9 16:44:47 2003:

<hugs Staci>


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#150 of 594 by anderyn on Wed Jul 9 19:07:14 2003:

I can't hate the person I know who did it. I miss her far too much. I will
always miss her. I will always wonder if I could have done more. It's been
over six years, and it still feels like a hole in my life. I have felt angry
that she didn't take the help that was offered (and it was offered, by many
people) but in the end, the fact that she's gone is much more to the point
than any other fact -- I wish she weren't.


#151 of 594 by dewshine on Wed Jul 9 20:00:44 2003:

 re #149
 Thank you for your comfort, but I have to agree with Twila. There is no way
I could ever hate Victor. Even more so now that he is gone. 
 While suicide is somewhat selfish, it is also very selfish to hate someone
because they are no longer around. What about the things the person was going
through at that point in time? Are they supposed to suffer needlessly because
we are attached to them?
 I do not hate Victor, nor am I angry at him. I'm sad he's gone, and I dont
understand it. But he made his own choices, and even if we think they werent
the best, they were his to make.

  re #148
 Thank you, love. :hugs Anne:


#152 of 594 by void on Wed Jul 9 20:48:57 2003:

   I'm very sorry to learn about your loss, Staci.


#153 of 594 by jaklumen on Wed Jul 9 21:43:16 2003:

I have been there, and so I very deeply empathize.  I miss Tom a lot.  
But all I got was an obituary in the mail, and so the closure was 
rather... muted.


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#155 of 594 by jazz on Thu Jul 10 00:44:45 2003:

        Fair enough, but that's your way - and mine.  Not hers.  She's chosen
her way to see things.  Just respect it.


#156 of 594 by glenda on Thu Jul 10 01:56:33 2003:

Also consider that Staci is only 15 and this is the first time she really has
had to deal with this sort of thing.  Grandma was 96 and it was expected, our
friend Kelly died when Staci was 2, so she really doesn't remember it.  These
are the only deaths she has had to deal with.  I think she is taking it
remarkably well and with the right attitude.


#157 of 594 by dewshine on Thu Jul 10 04:40:49 2003:

 I'm sorry mother, ubt this isnt my first real death. Victor is about the
fourth person this year, aside from family and Kelly. The difference being
Victor was a close friend, the others being people I barely knew.
 Todd, I can understand what your saying, but I dont agree with it. I'm not
quite sure what else there is to say about it..
 Again, thank you to all for kind words.


#158 of 594 by tod on Thu Jul 10 04:41:41 2003:

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#159 of 594 by other on Thu Jul 10 13:28:34 2003:

<hug>


#160 of 594 by glenda on Thu Jul 10 14:20:45 2003:

I meant deaths of those who had close ties.


#161 of 594 by edina on Thu Jul 10 15:11:13 2003:

Either way, I was going to comment to Glenda and Staci that A) Staci, you seem
to be (from a totally on-line perspective) handling things well, and B) I'm
sorry.  I watched my cousin go through losing one of her best friends when
she was a junior and it was hard to see her bearing that much pain.


#162 of 594 by furs on Thu Jul 10 16:50:42 2003:

Oh wait, I'm bummed cause I'm back from my awesome vacation.


#163 of 594 by tod on Thu Jul 10 17:08:00 2003:

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#164 of 594 by furs on Thu Jul 10 18:39:45 2003:

Wait!  You're squishing the hiker!


#165 of 594 by tod on Thu Jul 10 19:29:27 2003:

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#166 of 594 by flem on Thu Jul 10 20:43:41 2003:

Gonna be at work late tonight.  :P  (On the plus side, I'm paid hourly, so
at least it isn't unpaid overtime.)


#167 of 594 by jules on Thu Jul 10 23:49:59 2003:

my left knee is a little sore.


#168 of 594 by other on Fri Jul 11 00:20:59 2003:

I wasted several hours today trying to get answers from tech support 
regarding my inability to get a network connection through the hub on my 
desk at DCI.  Eventually, I was informed that the switch had been 
replaced with one that only allows a single connection per downstream 
line.  That configuration is absolutely counterproductive for the work I 
do.  It means I have to occupy a separate cubicle for every laptop I work 
with at one time (in addition to the one my desktop machine is in).


#169 of 594 by jiffer on Fri Jul 11 00:54:54 2003:

IBB I have come to the realization that my sister-in-law (the one that is the
mother of my neice) is only nice to me when she wants something from me. 
Otherwise, she considers me beneath here... I have concluded that I will not
paint her wall fresco or make her pillows in a fit of immature spit. These
observations where brought to my attention by my mother who found it rude of
said sister-in-law. 


#170 of 594 by dcat on Fri Jul 11 01:16:03 2003:

IBB after three weeks in California, my parents are finally (probably) coming
home on Tuesday.


#171 of 594 by furs on Fri Jul 11 02:33:38 2003:

Copycat.


#172 of 594 by russ on Fri Jul 11 03:58:02 2003:

You really know you're a pack rat when you realize that your
e-mail archives run to a quarter-gigabyte, without any images
or sound files for bulk... and you haven't even had CD-R's to
store it all on.


#173 of 594 by dewshine on Fri Jul 11 05:28:14 2003:

 One final time, thank you to all. <hugs Eric>


#174 of 594 by cmcgee on Fri Jul 11 12:11:53 2003:

jiffer, that's not immature. (well maybe the snit is).  But deciding to use
your time to do favors for people who like you rather than donating it to
people who don't is a quite grown-up response to that kind of manipulation.


#175 of 594 by gull on Fri Jul 11 14:23:52 2003:

Re #168: Sounds like you need to sneak in a NAT box. ;)


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#177 of 594 by beeswing on Fri Jul 11 20:44:15 2003:

I have a sis in law like that too, Jiffer. Sucks, but it's manageable. I
just dodge her phone calls most of the time, because they're usually
last-minute babysitting calls.

re 136 or so... I am looking for a job in either teaching (English) or
communications. At this point I would do a secretarial type job in the
meantime. Although, it looks like I'll have a sweet tutoring gig lined
up and that will help tremendously.


#178 of 594 by jiffer on Sat Jul 12 04:17:33 2003:

I told her that I couldn't do the murals or the pillows till after things get
manageable... (wonderful excuse to be attending school, and having 2 study
guides to use as visuals)


#179 of 594 by russ on Sat Jul 12 06:26:14 2003:

More annoying than a bummer, but...

Most of the way through a long file transfer, a temporary glitch
cancelled it.  For some reason I can't get compression to work
over the link nor can I boost the speed, so for assurance's sake
I have to do the whole thing over again the same slow, tedious way.


#180 of 594 by eskarina on Sat Jul 12 07:40:01 2003:

Drama on the front with the roomie.  The strict 'no overnight guest" policy
in our dorm is creating quite the ruckus.  


#181 of 594 by glenda on Sun Jul 13 01:43:44 2003:

IBB one of the bicyclists on the AABTS One Helluva Ride had a stroke or
seizure and was pronounced dead at the scene by one of our (The Arrow) Ham
Operators (who is a doctor and drives one of the Sag wagons).


#182 of 594 by other on Sun Jul 13 03:50:14 2003:

ouch, what a spoiler.  :(


#183 of 594 by scott on Sun Jul 13 05:42:13 2003:

IBB I'm missing Elvisfest again.


#184 of 594 by beeswing on Sun Jul 13 05:53:55 2003:

Elvisfest?

Oh man. Reminds me that Dead Week is coming up. Oy.


#185 of 594 by scott on Sun Jul 13 06:00:39 2003:

Yeah, Elvisfest in Ypsilanti.  The A2 News had a big article about one of my
dojo brothers doing Elvis - Chris Solano.  Does a great young Elvis.


#186 of 594 by i on Sun Jul 13 11:38:13 2003:

Plenty of other folks saw him, however.  We had to double the number of
lines to get into Elvisfest (take money, apply wristband, offer program)
and even then it was almost continuous work-as-fast-as-you-can from 2 to
6, with substantial lines backing up a few times.


#187 of 594 by scott on Mon Jul 14 16:22:22 2003:

Child overexposure - good thing all of my niece's friends are starting to come
back from vacation.  I'm out of energy for playing with her.


#188 of 594 by mooncat on Mon Jul 14 17:02:54 2003:

re #151- anytime


#189 of 594 by dcat on Mon Jul 14 17:19:45 2003:

I woke up this morning to the sound of about 120 books jumping off the
bookshelf in the other room to the floor at 7am.
(On the top shelf of the bookcase, books are stacked.  40 high, six stacks
across, two deep.  Approx the top halves of all the front stacks were on the
floor. . .)

Ah well.  This'll give me a nice chance to exercise the obsessive-compulsive
in me & nicely reorder the books. . . .


#190 of 594 by other on Mon Jul 14 22:31:02 2003:

IBB I got the following report from the Discovery office today:

ALL THE POWERPRESENTER LAPTOPS IN THE PREMIUMS CLOSET WERE
STOLEN OVER THE WEEKEND, ALONG WITH MOST OF OUR OTHER COMPUTER HARDWARE


This is especially boggling to me because the office requires a keycard 
for access, and the thief would have to have known both that the closet 
had the laptops in it and where to look for the key to that closet.

In a strange twist, since I am in possession of a keycard which I grabbed 
on my way out on Thursday evening, figuring I would use it to return 
tomorrow to finish my work -- a keycard not officially issued to me -- I 
may be considered a suspect in any investigation of the theft.


#191 of 594 by jaklumen on Mon Jul 14 23:14:59 2003:

resp:185  Young Elvis-- that's cool.  I always thought the Vegas Elvis 
was a bit overdone.


#192 of 594 by tod on Tue Jul 15 17:43:23 2003:

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#193 of 594 by gelinas on Wed Jul 16 03:05:55 2003:

IBB Rabih Hadad (spelling?) has been removed from the country.


#194 of 594 by scott on Wed Jul 16 04:11:32 2003:

Vacation ends today - with some 16-20 hours of getting home.


#195 of 594 by tsty on Wed Jul 16 08:00:30 2003:

sorry , dewshine - the first and the most recent always hurt a lot.
the hurt receeds slowly - many of us - many of us - have lost friends
by the same sudden device. life is not fair, but keep onliving anyway.


#196 of 594 by bru on Wed Jul 16 16:06:09 2003:

I am NOT Bummed Because  Rabih Hadad (spelling?) has been removed from the
country.

Why would you be bummed because a man who broke the law was sent home?


#197 of 594 by cyberpnk on Wed Jul 16 16:45:25 2003:

IBB because I am in desperate need of a part-time job, and Abilene is in 
a bit of an employment slump right now *sigh*.....


#198 of 594 by slynne on Wed Jul 16 17:52:28 2003:

I am bummed because I dont believe that Rabih Hadad was treated fairly 
and I believe that reflects badly on our country.


#199 of 594 by anderyn on Wed Jul 16 19:38:58 2003:

But if he was here illegally (which he was), then he should have been
deported. Apparently he entered on a tourist visa and overstayed it by five
years, so he was eligible for deportation.


#200 of 594 by slynne on Wed Jul 16 20:05:38 2003:

If that is the usual outcome for overstaying a tourist visa, then I 
agree. However, it is still important to treat people fairly. He should 
have had due process and it should have been public. Did you know that 
his wife found out that he was deported when he called her from the 
airport in Amsterdam? One has to wonder what the government was hiding 
to conduct all the business of deporting him in secret. Heck, the odds 
are that nothing sinister was going on but now it looks like there 
could have been. 


#201 of 594 by gelinas on Wed Jul 16 21:08:20 2003:

I was under the impression he had filed for an extension in the appropriate
manner, and the delay was ENTIRELY the fault of INS.  NOT grounds for
deportation, in my view.

Since it was all done in secret, though, NONE of us know what ACTUALLY
happened.


#202 of 594 by jmsaul on Wed Jul 16 22:51:43 2003:

What Joe said.  Haddad was trying to become legitimate, and was hosed for it.


#203 of 594 by rcurl on Wed Jul 16 23:09:30 2003:

Then there are the thousands of illegal aliens here that didn't even have
a visa when they entered, but no one in  INS is looking for them very
ardently. And Haddad had during his incarceration been kept in solitary
confinement, denied visits from his wife, and otherwise treated in ways
our government would be screaming about if it happened to a US citizen
abroad. 

Of course, since he was not charged with any crimes, apart from the visa
overstay, he should be able to obtain quickly a new visa and return to
pursue the permanent resident status that has been in the works for a long
time - right?


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#205 of 594 by rcurl on Wed Jul 16 23:44:04 2003:

No one has been very clear in their public utterances about the ins and outs
of the visa matter - the left just minimizes it as an outdated visa, and the
right rants and raves about terrorism. It is certainly true that if you
don't have the right kind of visa you can get into trouble engaging in
business. If this is an issue, he should ot have done that until his visa
status was appropriate. But why would he be so dumb as to ignore that? A
good terrorist would be sure to do all the paperwork correctly.


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#207 of 594 by scg on Thu Jul 17 03:13:07 2003:

For what it's worth, I don't think I know any non-US citizens living in the
US who don't have an INS horror story.  I even know people who have been
deported despite being in the US on valid visas, when the INS lost their
paperwork.  Even when it's been easy to document that the visa existed and
was legitimate, it's apparrently a very expensive and time consuming process
to get back into the US (a year, and somewhere around $8,000 in legal bills,
in the case of a Canadian I know).

I don't know much about this particular case, but the way the US treats
immigrants in general is a disgrace.


#208 of 594 by tsty on Thu Jul 17 06:06:59 2003:

quick retort - teh way immigrants treat teh u.s. both in general
and in particular is a disgrace, but more on that later.
  
i;ll grant, without argument or complaint, that the i.n.s is about
teh most fscked up gummint agency in existence today. there would
be an improvement if they learned from the i.r.s.,actually.
  
our permission for slopppiness and 'so what' attitudes - the defacto
attitude of too many of us - has gotten us into a nasty mess.
  
only we, applying *pressure* to the congress can force responsibility.


#209 of 594 by gull on Thu Jul 17 13:47:25 2003:

Re #207: A friend of mine who immigrated from England has had a terrible
time with the INS.  It took him three tries before he and his lawyer got
them to process the paperwork for his green card without losing it.

I've also heard that if you come into the U.S. on a student visa, and
*immediately* start the paperwork to extend it the day you arrive, it
will still expire before the INS has finished processing the paperwork
to grant the extension.


#210 of 594 by michaela on Thu Jul 17 16:02:56 2003:

New item, please.  :)


#211 of 594 by mynxcat on Thu Jul 17 17:07:00 2003:

To get this back on track, I've scratched my eye and must not wear my 
contacts till it heals. I do not own a pair of glsses that isn't 
mangled. So looks like I'll have to cough up the dough to get a new 
pair made :(


#212 of 594 by tod on Thu Jul 17 18:00:19 2003:

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#213 of 594 by bru on Fri Jul 18 01:11:35 2003:

re: 209
Most sstudent visas are for duration of Status, that is, as long as you are
in a school studying for a degree, you can be here.



#214 of 594 by russ on Fri Jul 18 02:01:02 2003:

IBB the power switch in my oldest mini-tower is dying.
Anyone know where I can get a new front-panel rocker
switch that fits an old CCS case?

(I suppose I could just throw the case away, but the
modern stuff is chintzy.)


#215 of 594 by keesan on Fri Jul 18 02:18:33 2003:

Would you like a replacement case?  We may generate one soon.
Also Kiwanis keeps old power supplies that might have your switch.


#216 of 594 by scott on Fri Jul 18 02:38:55 2003:

Purchase Radio might have such a beast.  Or try Mouser (www.mouser.com) for
a plethora of obscure switches.


#217 of 594 by void on Fri Jul 18 05:57:11 2003:

   I have a bunch of switches left from the CCS auction.  I'll see if
any of them are rockers.


#218 of 594 by scott on Fri Jul 18 11:55:54 2003:

The other bulb in my dashboard apparently burned out recently - no light for
the speedometer and other gauges!  Drove home last night and had to estimate
speed by gear & engine sound.  


#219 of 594 by polytarp on Fri Jul 18 14:00:41 2003:

Perhaps bringing the attention of ancilliary lights!!!!


#220 of 594 by lynne on Fri Jul 18 19:30:03 2003:

#218 reminds me of the joke--driving the Heisenberg uncertainty car on the
highway, every time you look at the speedometer you get lost. :)
IBB I can't seem to get myself to go to sleep before 2 a.m.


#221 of 594 by other on Fri Jul 18 21:04:39 2003:

lol


#222 of 594 by lynne on Sat Jul 19 23:02:09 2003:

...and now IBB Fedorov signed with friggin *Anaheim*.  How lame is that?


#223 of 594 by gelinas on Sun Jul 20 00:47:22 2003:

IBB I didn't take sunscreen to the lake with me today.  I know better.


#224 of 594 by jiffer on Sun Jul 20 01:59:45 2003:

IBB my feet are very sore from working at the coffee shop for 11 hours.  Grrr.
Damn boss needs t schedule people when he plans to go to redneck boat races.


#225 of 594 by happyboy on Sun Jul 20 02:08:12 2003:

gosh....it must totally suck to have to have a job and stuff!


#226 of 594 by jiffer on Sun Jul 20 02:12:36 2003:

Yeah, well, get off your butt and get a job and stuff.  But I also have two
jobs...


#227 of 594 by happyboy on Sun Jul 20 19:06:43 2003:

thanks, no.  i'll just chill with being a stay at home dad.  :)


#228 of 594 by slynne on Sun Jul 20 20:20:15 2003:

Man. At least no one pukes at me at my *current* job. ;)


#229 of 594 by happyboy on Mon Jul 21 00:21:27 2003:

her puke, poop, & pee is a joy to clean up compared
to the adult version back in our A.S.H. daze, fer shore.



#230 of 594 by slynne on Mon Jul 21 15:44:51 2003:

HAHA. I dont doubt that. :) Still, I have a feeling your feelings are 
biased a little bit ;)


#231 of 594 by katie on Mon Jul 21 15:58:21 2003:

My father was diagnosed with lung cancer, stage 4, in early February,
and no one informed me until today. It has spread to his liver and brain,
and chemo has been discontinued. 

My dad hasn't smoked in over 40 years.


#232 of 594 by edina on Mon Jul 21 15:58:32 2003:

Federov is going to be a Duck?????   Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!


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#234 of 594 by katie on Mon Jul 21 16:12:23 2003:

I don't know. I received a letter from his wife this morning, postmarked
last Thursday. There is no answer at their home. I suppose he may have
passed away by now. I think I should have been told sooner.


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#236 of 594 by mary on Mon Jul 21 16:42:55 2003:

So very sorry, Katie.


#237 of 594 by slynne on Mon Jul 21 16:53:19 2003:

I am sorry to hear that, katie. 


#238 of 594 by anderyn on Mon Jul 21 16:56:34 2003:

Oh, Katie, I am so sorry to hear that. 


#239 of 594 by cmcgee on Mon Jul 21 18:45:56 2003:

Katie, you have my sympathy.  My boyfriend got the "stage four" diagnosis for
his cancer in mid-february.  Its a tough time all around, for both the person
and their family.


#240 of 594 by jaklumen on Mon Jul 21 21:18:53 2003:

It's time to see the doctor(s) about sleep apnea.  It started when I 
had a case of the sleepies late yesterday afternoon but couldn't fall  
completely asleep.  Julie was napping with me and woke me up a little 
because I was breathing shallow.  Then I kept waking up repeatedly all 
night.

My psychiatrist and med nurse have suggested for a while that I check 
in to a sleep clinic.  But I won't be able to get a hold of my 
psychiatrist for a referral (medical coupons, see) until Thursday.  So 
I called my physician's office.  Same story-- I can't see him until 
Thursday at 2:15 p.m. PDT.  So I suppose I'll be going to the 
emergency room tonight.  I really hate missing work, as I had to do so 
today, but I called my site supervisor and she won't be expecting me 
for a few days.  I promised to keep her posted.


#241 of 594 by katie on Tue Jul 22 00:48:31 2003:

(No, I'm not estranged from my dad. But he has been uninterested in 
maintaining relationships with his first set of children.)


#242 of 594 by goose on Tue Jul 22 01:15:54 2003:

I'm sorry Katie.  You and your family will be in my prayers.


#243 of 594 by other on Tue Jul 22 01:26:06 2003:

I'm receiving a mailflood at my domain because someone's Windoze box sent 
out a virus to large numbers of people with a forged header indicating it 
came from a nonexistent address at my domain.


#244 of 594 by jep on Tue Jul 22 03:11:16 2003:

Katie, I'm very sorry.  That is nasty news indeed and a horrible way 
to receive it.  I agree you should have been told sooner, much sooner.


#245 of 594 by jiffer on Tue Jul 22 03:32:10 2003:

Katie, you and your family will be in my thoughts and prayers.


#246 of 594 by scott on Tue Jul 22 15:29:48 2003:

Sure hope the DVD burner for my nerw computer comes in today.  Can't install
any software without it, and no other CD drives lying around.


#247 of 594 by keesan on Tue Jul 22 16:55:24 2003:

Regarding sleep apnea - I have read that it is most common in overweight men
and if you raise the head of your bed (or sleep on a lot of pillows) or don't
sleep on your back that should help.  So should losing weight.  


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#249 of 594 by mynxcat on Tue Jul 22 20:33:59 2003:

I lost 10 cds and my visor cd holder in a rental car :(


#250 of 594 by keesan on Tue Jul 22 20:37:06 2003:

I don't think Mormons use alcohol or tobacco.  The same things are bad for
lots of other diseases including acid indigestion.


#251 of 594 by russ on Tue Jul 22 21:24:41 2003:

IVVBB the people who access Grex by modem are apparently not
important enough to rate a check to see that the modems are
working before someone leaves the Pumpkin.  (Obviously nobody
checked, otherwise we would have seen some kind of notice as
to what's wrong and when it might be fixed... right?  Right?)


#252 of 594 by richard on Tue Jul 22 21:33:16 2003:

maybe grex should get rid of the dial-in modems altogether.  I mean are 
they really necessary anymore?  I suspect that most anyone who dials in 
now has other internet access and is doing it purely as a matter of 
convenience or old habit.  they could either be eliminated altogether 
to save money or reduced to one or two, and priviledge to dial in to 
grex could become a member only perk.  it is a reasonable thing to 
consider if there isn't a whole lot of staff presence and the modems 
are falling into disrepair as claimed in previous response by russ


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#254 of 594 by scott on Tue Jul 22 22:14:29 2003:

Sigh.  Russ continues to abuse volunteers.


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#256 of 594 by eskarina on Wed Jul 23 00:06:50 2003:

re 247 + 248:  Or, how about a CPAP?  Or is it not the type of sleep apnea
that that helps?

My dad was diagnosed with sleep apnea when I was 10.  If you're in need of
jokes about it, we've got a few.  ;)


#257 of 594 by jiffer on Wed Jul 23 02:11:30 2003:

IVBB it seems that some people don't seem to understand that Grex staff are
volunteers, and do this in their loving spare time... which for some is not
much.  For shame on you unappreciating people. 


#258 of 594 by other on Wed Jul 23 02:21:56 2003:

And a corollary to that, which I'm sure would be argued if not mentioned, 
is that Grex cannot guarantee the quality or consistency of the services 
it provides, which is why we do not sell our services per se.


#259 of 594 by other on Wed Jul 23 02:22:16 2003:

(Well, it's one reason, anyway...)


#260 of 594 by janc on Wed Jul 23 02:22:38 2003:

It might be nice if we had a way to dial out from the pumpkin.  But that would
at most confirm that one modem was working.


#261 of 594 by other on Wed Jul 23 02:30:22 2003:

Is there a way to monitor the connections the terminal server is making, 
perhaps via a screen on that machine?


#262 of 594 by gelinas on Wed Jul 23 02:51:33 2003:

IBB some folks want to use the "Bummed" item to solve grex's various problems.


#263 of 594 by janc on Wed Jul 23 05:40:44 2003:

The terminal server does not have a screen.


#264 of 594 by gull on Wed Jul 23 14:23:06 2003:

Re #243: Sometimes I think our mail server at work spends more time
sending bounce messages than actual mail.

Re #251: <sarcasm>IVBB the half-dozen people who refuse to use Internet
connections they apparently have anyway to reach Grex expect Grex to
spend lots of money supporting dial-in lines for their use.</sarcasm>


#265 of 594 by keesan on Wed Jul 23 14:46:05 2003:

It takes three paid members to support a phone line.  This frees up the
internet connection for use by people who prefer to use that.  


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#267 of 594 by gelinas on Thu Jul 24 14:22:39 2003:

IABB the song-parody items are proliferating.  I'd prefer one item I don't
have time to read to a half-dozen (and growing). :(


#268 of 594 by flem on Thu Jul 24 16:23:27 2003:

Regarding sleep apnea:  good luck.  It took me over a year from the time I
determined to my own satisfaction that I had sleep apnea needing treatment
to the point where I got the medical community to actually give me the
treatment in question (BiPAP machine).  Granted, some of that time was
because I needed surgery to correct a deviated septum before the machine
could be expected to work.  Frustrating, but worth it:  I sleep much
better now and have more energy. 


#269 of 594 by rcurl on Thu Jul 24 16:33:24 2003:

BiPAP?


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#271 of 594 by polytarp on Thu Jul 24 16:59:02 2003:

Up my nose, you're actually just allergic to the garbage collected by cats'
fursz,


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#273 of 594 by happyboy on Thu Jul 24 17:34:08 2003:

re270: diesel, eh?  those fumes trigger my asthma.


#274 of 594 by flem on Thu Jul 24 17:41:48 2003:

BiPAP = Bilevel positive airway pressure.  Basically, there's a computer in
it that blows harder when it detects that I'm breathing in, and not so hard
when I'm breathign out.  A normal CPAP (C = continuous) just blows the same
all the time.  

I may yet end up doing something like a tonsil and uvula reduction, just to
lower my pressure, which is pretty high. 


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#276 of 594 by jep on Thu Jul 24 18:47:24 2003:

A co-worker went on vacation for two weeks, leaving me in charge of her 
two tropical fish.  They died today, after 3 days.

I gave them the spiral funeral and sent her an e-mail.


#277 of 594 by polytarp on Thu Jul 24 18:51:39 2003:

You fucking muderer.


#278 of 594 by arabella on Thu Jul 24 19:23:43 2003:

I'm extremely bummed because my opera workshop is over, and now I'm all 
alone in Bulgaria.  I think I've forgotten how to be a solo tourist.  

I'm also bummed because this stupid internet cafe doesn't have telnet 
available on its computers, so I can't use party.  Crapola.  This sucks 
beyond belief.

Also, I'm experiencing severe cyrillic fatigue.  I can hardly wait to 
get to a country that uses an alphabet I can read quickly.


#279 of 594 by rcurl on Fri Jul 25 00:11:45 2003:

Is the computer in cyrillic? That would be tough....


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#281 of 594 by beeswing on Fri Jul 25 04:06:24 2003:

I have a neat time picturing tampons up one's nose.

IBB the traffic situation is still bad. Burglaries are up 500% in the
areas where power hasn't been restored. People are being told to treat
the intersections like 4-way stops, but many people are dumbasses and
drive straight through them. I cannot drive without getting hella cranky.


#282 of 594 by keesan on Fri Jul 25 18:42:08 2003:

What does power have to do with burglaries?


#283 of 594 by dcat on Fri Jul 25 19:24:38 2003:

Alarm systems are disabled, making it easier, for one thing.

IBB the State's Saturday-midnight showing of Monty Python & the Holy Grail
isn't until after I leave town (it's the night of the 30th, i think).


#284 of 594 by lynne on Fri Jul 25 22:52:50 2003:

You can toggle back and forth between cyrillic and roman alphabets on
computers in Bulgaria...or at least you could when I was there a ridiculously
long time ago.  <wanders off in search of the past 4-5 years>


#285 of 594 by michaela on Fri Jul 25 23:53:27 2003:

IBB there was a huge mix-up between the university health center and the
pharmacy.  It was the health center's fault, and the pharmacist was really
sweet when she tried to make it easier on all of us, but I still had to take
two hours out of work to get my prescription.  Hmmph.

On top of that, Planned Parenthood now requires that I have an exam through
them before getting birth control pills.  They used to just allow me to fax
my exam results and prescription over.  So, instead of paying $5 for pills,
I had to pay $36.

Not. A. Good. Day.


#286 of 594 by mynxcat on Fri Jul 25 23:57:52 2003:

Better than paying $450 at the ER for the morning after pill...


#287 of 594 by beeswing on Sat Jul 26 00:43:45 2003:

No power + major darkness at night = thieves paradise.



#288 of 594 by gelinas on Sat Jul 26 04:28:45 2003:

IBB it took me three days to figure out and fix what turned out to be a
fairly simple problem, especially since I'd seen the suggestion on the
web. :(


#289 of 594 by novomit on Sat Jul 26 14:17:43 2003:

A good punch in the stomach is free. ;) 


#290 of 594 by arabella on Sat Jul 26 18:08:54 2003:

I'm slightly bummed because it looks like I'll be spending 9 hours in 
Budapest on Monday, but I stupidly mailed my Budapest guidebook home a 
couple of days ago, after deciding that I wasn't going to go there 
after all.  It's apparently pretty hard to get to Poland from Bulgaria 
without going through Budapest, and I can't get a direct train all the 
way to Krakow, hence the 9 hour stopover.  Oh well, I'll probably just 
check my bags in the luggage office and wander around the city for a 
few hours.

This response, by the way, is being written in an Internet cafe 
called "The Real Matrix," in Veliko Tarnovo, Bulgaria.  I continue to 
be bummed because telnet is absent here as well.  PS - the default 
keyboard setup here is the Latin alphabet, and you can toggle to the 
Cyrillic alphabet.  A lot of Bulgarians can write in both alphabets.


#291 of 594 by keesan on Sat Jul 26 18:14:19 2003:

There is a lovely recreation of a bunch of medieval buildings, reduced size,
in one of the city parks in Budapest.  And some really good pastry shops.


#292 of 594 by jaklumen on Sat Jul 26 21:49:40 2003:

resp:248 resp:250 Correct-- not a part of the dietary law.  Yes, 
a "nightcap," so I've heard, does more harm than good.  It may help 
get you to sleep, but the sleep will not be as profound.  My 
understanding is the sleep aid is in the hops-- which can be brewed 
into a tea and taken before bedtime instead of alcohol.  Hops are 
bitter, of course, so it takes nasty as hell, but I've heard it helps.

resp:247 Done.  I am working on the weight issue (fatty tissue tends 
to block the airway, yes-- it's most noticeable with men with neck 
size over 16 or 17, I think) following a low carbohydrate diet.  As 
discussed elsewhere, it cuts out the refined sugars and flours, and 
encourages more vegetables.  I am eating a lot healthier now.  If only 
I could get exercise back on track-- I can no longer walk at work 
because of the blistering heat.

The machine and surgery-- wow.  I might have to go through similar 
processes, too.  I have my referral and my physician has made sure I 
am taking my allergy medications.


#293 of 594 by jep on Sun Jul 27 04:19:19 2003:

One of my cousins at the family reunion "entertained" my mother with a 
discussion of how he evaded arrest for two years by hiding out in the 
woods of Virginia.  For two years!  He finally turned himself in and 
did his time, and thankfully appears to be turning his life around.  

Some of my relatives are a bit too colorful for me.  My mother was 
shocked, as I'm sure my cousin meant for her to be.  Why would anyone 
walk up to a 75 year old woman and talk of such things to her?


#294 of 594 by gelinas on Sun Jul 27 05:09:38 2003:

Just curious: did he have help from the locals?


#295 of 594 by rcurl on Sun Jul 27 06:56:09 2003:

Re #293: would your mother have been as shocked at, say 55, as she was
at 75? I ask seriously as I would like to know if age is relevant, as
from my experience people retain their personalities into older ages
(although they might be less reckless). 


#296 of 594 by russ on Sun Jul 27 08:43:57 2003:

During the move, a jagged piece of metal on a crate snagged and
ruined an otherwise perfectly good pair of pants.

Also, I'm up at an ungodly early hour of the morning.


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#298 of 594 by gregb on Sun Jul 27 19:39:33 2003:

And besides, that's where Zsa-zsa and Ava Gabor are from, I believe.  B-
)


#299 of 594 by jep on Mon Jul 28 02:48:24 2003:

The Detroit Zoo is not as magnificent as I remembered it being.  It 
is, like the Nashville Zoo which I visited last year, underpopulated 
with animals, and underfunded.  I thought it compared unfavorably even 
with Potter Park Zoo in Lansing (an outdated, small but still 
reasonably nice zoo).  I took my son to the Detroit Zoo today, and 
wished we'd gone to Toledo instead.


#300 of 594 by mynxcat on Mon Jul 28 13:46:58 2003:

Re 295> For my grandmother and her sister, age seems only to have made 
them more "jaded" if you will. It seems, at the age of 80 something, 
very little serves to shock them. This was evidenced when they were 
taken to a topless cabaret in Paris, and neither batter an eyelid. 
This coming from little old ladies from India, where even a little 
bare skin send people into a tizzy.

Especially my grandmother's sister. You could say anything to her, and 
she'd continue like everything's normal. I guess age brings 
experiences, and nothing surprises them anymore


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#302 of 594 by edina on Mon Jul 28 16:27:15 2003:

My grandparents are pretty laid back as well.  But then, we have some
interesting distant realations as well.


#303 of 594 by scott on Tue Jul 29 01:30:22 2003:

Did some recording, and boy does my singing suck.  Need to start vocal
practice again...


#304 of 594 by tpryan on Tue Jul 29 02:07:07 2003:

        Another week wait to see if I get a job with The State of Michigan.


#305 of 594 by beeswing on Tue Jul 29 04:10:42 2003:

I still can't get teaching stuff straightened away, nor do I have my
contract signed yet, because the power is still out at the school.
Stupid storm. 

IBB people don't seem to understand that when traffic lights aren't
working (and half of them still aren't due to trees crashing down
everywhere), you treat it as a four way stop. I've nearly been run over
several times a day due to people who think no light = excuse to book it
through an intersection.

There's been at least 100 robberies per night since the storm hit.


#306 of 594 by lynne on Tue Jul 29 14:55:50 2003:

General malaise makes it difficult to concentrate or accomplish much of
anything--despite boss breathing down my neck.  
<ew.  that's kind of a gross visual.  sorry.>


#307 of 594 by oval on Tue Jul 29 15:56:19 2003:

i am looking at packages meant to be sent to MI long ago. i suck, now the
postbank is closed. TOMORROW! /writes it on hand.



#308 of 594 by rcurl on Tue Jul 29 23:56:21 2003:

IBB my winning bid on ebay fell through. After winning and paying, the seller
informs me that he can't get the item from his "Vendor" for 4-6 weeks, so
he is returning my payment by money order. I think he discovered his "Vendor"
wanted more for the item than my winning bid. I filed negative feedback
and have contacted the ebay fraud site. I think sellers should only offer
items they have, or will accept the consequences of having to pay too much
to get them if they are dealing with "Vendors". 


#309 of 594 by jep on Wed Jul 30 02:27:40 2003:

It sounds like how I'd handle that situation, Rane.  I'm sorry you 
aren't going to get the item.

Would it be meaningful for us if you were to explain what it is?  I'm 
curious!


#310 of 594 by jep on Wed Jul 30 02:42:19 2003:

My son tells me his mother and her boyfriend may be flying to Las 
Vegas to get married this weekend.

While this is slightly good in the short term -- John won't be living 
with his mother's live-in any more -- it's got a lot of bad to it as 
well.

The bum will be his stepdad until the next divorce, unless the bum 
really is dying.  Either way, I see it as an unstable, temporary 
thing, not much different than the live-in situation they've been in.

It's going to be a bit more difficult for me to be effective when I 
object to my son spending time alone with this person.

I'm not really looking for commentary on this situation.  I don't want 
to argue viewpoints about it.  I understand that some will disagree 
with me (and that some will agree with me) about how I view the whole 
situation.  When it comes down to it in the end, I'm the one who has 
to deal with it, and that's just how it is.


#311 of 594 by jaklumen on Wed Jul 30 04:45:34 2003:

Most of today didn't go the way I wanted.  Got pulled over for 
speeding and couldn't find a current insurance identification card.  
Yeah, bet that made your day, piggie.


#312 of 594 by goose on Wed Jul 30 13:17:52 2003:

IBB I didn't get the chance to go see clees.

IABB I have not had hot water since Sunday.  The Lennox Corporation sucks.

(though IHB we have a hot shower at work)


#313 of 594 by michaela on Wed Jul 30 16:23:04 2003:

Re #311 - you're mad at the cop because you were speeding and didn't have a
copy of your current insurance where you could easily locate it?


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#315 of 594 by richard on Wed Jul 30 21:38:30 2003:

#308-- rcurl, you should have sent the money he returned to you right 
back to the seller.  Insist he honor the deal.  Ebay should also insist 
he honor the deal or suspend his seller's privileges


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#317 of 594 by rcurl on Wed Jul 30 23:15:51 2003:

Re#316: that's true, but they should have the merchandize to sell, not
short-sell. I have to swear up and down (electronically) that I will honor
the outcome of the *auction* and pay for what I win. I think the sellers
have the same obligation. 

I thought that sending back his money order (which is how he said he was
refunding my payment) would complicate matters. I am hoping ebay will
insist that he honor the deal, whatever it costs him.



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#319 of 594 by rcurl on Wed Jul 30 23:33:04 2003:

Look that up under Policy on the ebay website. 


#320 of 594 by jep on Thu Jul 31 01:58:05 2003:

re resp:314: Thanks, Todd.

The guy is going to be John's stepdad; that's the title he's going to 
get when he marries John's mother.  I can't do anything about it.


#321 of 594 by jaklumen on Thu Jul 31 03:17:55 2003:

resp:313 no, I'm torqued because I knew I had a recent copy but all I 
was finding was outdated crap.  It's history now.


#322 of 594 by vidar on Fri Aug 1 19:17:14 2003:

IBB the Wolverine Gaming Club was less than I expected from a gaming 
club.

IBB I had learned of Tango instruction at the Michigan Union, and there 
was no lesson the night I went.

IBB I have forgotten the combination to my padlock, right when I was 
getting ready to get back into an exercise program.


#323 of 594 by other on Fri Aug 1 19:26:39 2003:

Heh.  I just found and put back into use a combination lock I had in high 
school.  I still remember the combinations of all three combo locks I 
ever owned, one of which I acquired (a push-button sort) by playing with 
it until I figured out how to discern the combination from a mechanical 
flaw in the design.  I don't use that one for anything really important.  


#324 of 594 by other on Sat Aug 2 17:01:38 2003:

IBB the 7-year-old stepson of an old friend of mine was stolen by his 
biological mother, who is emotionally unstable and is very likely 
tramatizing the child with lies about his stepmom.  There is a warrant 
out and police in Maine are searching, but there is a possibility she 
might have fled the state.


#325 of 594 by dewshine on Sat Aug 2 18:28:14 2003:

Sorry to hear that, lovely. I wish for the best.


#326 of 594 by russ on Sun Aug 3 20:13:12 2003:

My back hurts from bending over engines and lifting things at
bad angles, plus my air conditioning has died for the second time
this year and I wasn't able to cool my place down very well
overnight.

Aspirin and fans have been scrambled, but the patient may be
too far gone for them to effect a rescue.


#327 of 594 by polytarp on Sun Aug 3 23:45:47 2003:

I hope you didn't eat Aspirin with ibuprofen.


#328 of 594 by vidar on Mon Aug 4 00:00:24 2003:

IBB I managed to read the ring my crush wears.  "Love Waits"  or at 
least that's all I could make out.  While not on the traditional 
finger, it is on the traditional hand.  O well, I knew it might not 
work out.


#329 of 594 by mary on Mon Aug 4 00:50:19 2003:

Re: 327  Why?  It's my understanding that 
the combo is fine when one is looking for
pain control.

The only issue is for those who are taking
low dose aspirin for its anti-coagulant
effect - they need to know Ibuprofen may
negate this action.  We're talking those
at immediate risk for myocardial infarctions
and strokes.

I doubt that's Russ.


#330 of 594 by polytarp on Mon Aug 4 00:58:38 2003:

Because if he's taking ibuprofen, he's probably taking a 300mg to 400mg dose.
If he then combines that with ASA, he'll probably get incrediably numb or
something.  This is why they shouldn't let women be nurses; they don't have
any common sense.


#331 of 594 by mary on Mon Aug 4 01:51:16 2003:

He's probably taking a 400 - 600mg dose like everyone
else, silly boy.  

Next. ;-)



#332 of 594 by lynne on Mon Aug 4 03:19:25 2003:

IBB my boss was a complete *ass* this morning.  See if I ever again humor
one of his requests to meet on a Sunday morning.


#333 of 594 by jaklumen on Mon Aug 4 04:27:07 2003:

resp:326 I empathize with the A/C, having been there.  Soon, we will 
have our final unit-- we do not yet have one that is big enough to 
replace the one that bit the dust.  The existing new one does not cool 
the apartment enough on a hot day and has been aided only by recently 
cooler temperatures.


#334 of 594 by michaela on Mon Aug 4 05:15:43 2003:

IBB I've been spending so much time in Caro with the boy, his friends, and
his family that coming back to Kalamazoo makes me "homesick".  :-P  I find
it horribly ironic since I live in K-Zoo.


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#336 of 594 by edina on Mon Aug 4 18:03:30 2003:

IBB I live very far away from someone that I do not want to live far away
from.


#337 of 594 by lynne on Mon Aug 4 23:10:18 2003:

IBB I knocked over a flask containing coumarin 343 ( a *very* highly colored
and hydrophobic dye) all down my leg and onto the floor.  The dye spilled
on my leg came off pretty readily; not so the floor, which remains bright
yellow.  The wax soaks up the dye, so the only way to get rid of it would
be to strip the wax and then refinish the floor.  My friend Sarah just 
spent the past hour-plus getting me drunk and trying to talk me out of
quitting grad school.  It's been that kind of week already.


#338 of 594 by michaela on Tue Aug 5 01:36:12 2003:

Re #336 - I hear you, and I can't move near him until I graduate next year.
   :(


#339 of 594 by slynne on Tue Aug 5 03:03:26 2003:

resp:337 - Was it your floor?


#340 of 594 by edina on Tue Aug 5 13:55:09 2003:

re 338  Yeah, but there's a difference between a few hours - and 3000 miles.


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#342 of 594 by slynne on Tue Aug 5 20:21:32 2003:

OooOoooOOO - Are we going to have a "woe is me" contest?


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#344 of 594 by michaela on Tue Aug 5 21:36:11 2003:

Wow... I didn't know he was 3000 miles away, Edina.

And Lynne, I was NOT in ANY way saying that I felt as much pain as you, so
no need for a tirade.  Apology accepted since I've known you for a while.

For the record, I consider myself *damn lucky* that I can see my boy on
occasional weekends.  Sheesh.


#345 of 594 by lynne on Tue Aug 5 23:25:37 2003:

342:  Oh yeah.  Bring it on!  I stubbed my big toe WAY worse than you, 
slynne.
343:  Go tell someone who gives a flying fuck.
344:  I know.  Needed to vent, saw a ghost of an excuse, and did so--if
it helps, I felt guilty about going off on you after I posted.  I'm sorry
you're having to deal with long-distance--even medium long distance.


#346 of 594 by slynne on Wed Aug 6 00:49:08 2003:

OH yeah, I've got a hang nail! 


#347 of 594 by jiffer on Wed Aug 6 02:37:28 2003:

IHB I am going to a "White Party" this Saturday in honor of the proper
etiquette to wear white until Labor Day.  That I have a date for this party
is an additional coup.  That I have a date is just weird.  This will also be
my last raging binge of drinking till after the microbiology class has ended
for the semester.


#348 of 594 by michaela on Wed Aug 6 05:17:04 2003:

Lynne - it's okay.  I knew you weren't really mad at ME so much as your
situation.  :)


#349 of 594 by remmers on Wed Aug 6 13:21:21 2003:

Re #347:  Did you ever see the movie "Serial Mom"?


#350 of 594 by remmers on Wed Aug 6 13:21:52 2003:

(By the way, #347 looks like it was intended for the happy item...)


#351 of 594 by michaela on Wed Aug 6 15:44:42 2003:

Re #343 - wait a second... are you saying that those of us who have
boyfriends/girlfriends that don't live in the same town are only dating those
people because we don't want to "commit to reality"?

I hate to say it, but trying to make a relationship work on top of the
financial and scheduling strains that traveling requires *is* a strong,
difficult commitment and is based in reality. This is the most work I've ever
put into a relationship, and it takes a TON of communication to make it last.

So don't tell me about reality and commitment... I'm quite aware of the
definitions.

Unless, of course, I read that statement incorrectly.  :-P


#352 of 594 by lynne on Wed Aug 6 16:41:54 2003:

re 351:  Thank you.  343 was presumptuous and offensive.


#353 of 594 by happyboy on Wed Aug 6 17:08:16 2003:

or totally accurate.


#354 of 594 by polytarp on Wed Aug 6 17:12:18 2003:

355 will be presumptuous and defensive.


#355 of 594 by jep on Wed Aug 6 17:37:46 2003:

Do you mean this response?  I'm not usually all that defensive... or at 
least I presume to think so...


#356 of 594 by edina on Wed Aug 6 19:14:27 2003:

I'm going to fucking whine up a storm.

I don't pick who I'm going to like.  I'm sure you too, Todd, have had your
own issues in relationships that weren't always easy.  Dave and I have been
friends for a while, and it just hit me when we were together, "I like this
man more than I thought."  So, it just means I'm gonna rack up some frequent
flyer miles.  And that's ok.

I'm majorly bummed because I am in the process of some pre-surgical testing
and I had a cardiac stress test today, where they shot me up with adenisone
and I'm feeling pretty crappy right now.


#357 of 594 by scott on Wed Aug 6 19:29:22 2003:

I was wondering recently if I was still susceptible to sinus headaches.

Turns out the answer is "yes".


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#359 of 594 by jiffer on Wed Aug 6 20:43:22 2003:

IBB I put a Happy item in the Bummed Item.

IABB work is turning into a "shit" pot due to my former supervisors 
lack of looking at notes, following up and a huge amount of other 
crap.  So my A/R with patients has doubled.  I DON'T NEED THIS BEFORE 
AND DURING THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.



#360 of 594 by bru on Wed Aug 6 21:21:00 2003:

stress test?  Do NOT come to the border.


#361 of 594 by edina on Wed Aug 6 21:25:25 2003:

There's a difference between traveling and getting shot up with adrenaline,
Bruce.  Trust me.


#362 of 594 by lynne on Wed Aug 6 22:52:14 2003:

358:  You are more than welcome to post about things that bum you.  You are
not welcome to tell me that my boyfriend, who I love dearly and for whom I
regularly and gladly go to a great deal of trouble, is nothing more than
an excuse not to date someone nearby because I can't handle the reality.
Similarly, you are not welcome to post such things about michaela or edina.
If you choose to do so, you should expect flaming posts such as 345.
Ass.


#363 of 594 by michaela on Wed Aug 6 23:10:10 2003:

Ending that with "Ass" just made me laugh so hard I awakened my roommate. :-P

I didn't mean for this to become hostile... I just didn't know what you meant,
Tod.


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#365 of 594 by lynne on Thu Aug 7 00:01:09 2003:

Hah.  You will *all* be sorry when I invent a cure for cancer and refuse to
divulge it to people I don't like.  


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#367 of 594 by keesan on Thu Aug 7 00:15:56 2003:

Re 356 etc - good luck with the surgery and I hope you feel better afterwards.
You must be under a lot of stress just from that.


#368 of 594 by tpryan on Thu Aug 7 00:39:25 2003:

re: 337:
        Can you move a lab bench to cover the spot on the floor.
Good freinds help you move.  Better freinds help you move heavy
lab benches.


#369 of 594 by lynne on Thu Aug 7 00:56:53 2003:

In this case, lab benches that are implanted in the cement.  Don't think 
that's an option, but thanks for the suggestion.


#370 of 594 by other on Thu Aug 7 00:58:41 2003:

If you have really, REALLY good friends, they'll lay there and hide the 
spot with their bodies.


#371 of 594 by bru on Thu Aug 7 01:31:19 2003:

I did not mean the work on the border was stressful.  I meant stress tests
tend to set off some of our detectors and requiring further inspection.


#372 of 594 by jiffer on Thu Aug 7 01:40:01 2003:

Great friends would poor another substance over it to react with the floor
"stuff" and see what other colours can be achieved... thus making another
excuse to finish your dissertation up that much faster.. or slower...
depending on your head honcho.


#373 of 594 by jep on Thu Aug 7 01:52:36 2003:

I'm still at work, trying to solve a problem for someone.  Pretty soon 
he's going to accept we're not getting an answer tonight; I'm about out 
of brain cells.  And then I've got to drive home tonight.  Sigh.


#374 of 594 by other on Thu Aug 7 02:53:57 2003:

My health insurance premium just went up 17.4% and is now over $200 per 
month out of pocket, and this just after they cut the extent of their 
prescription coverage.


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#376 of 594 by janc on Thu Aug 7 04:58:52 2003:

IIRC stress tests involve an injection that causes the patient's heart rate
to elevate.  A doppler ultrasound is used to observe the flow of blood through
the heart.  Not a terribly nice procedure, but not one with obvious symptoms.
(I may be conflating a couple different cardiovascular tests here.)  No idea
why it would set off the bordor guard.


#377 of 594 by edina on Thu Aug 7 14:04:04 2003:

Re 376  That's exactly right.  I was hooked up to an IV and EKG ad then shot
up with adrenaline - it's quick, but I felt kinda crappy for the rest of the
day.


#378 of 594 by edina on Thu Aug 7 14:14:17 2003:

Oh, and thank you Sindi.  Yeah, the stress is kinda wearing on me.


#379 of 594 by lynne on Thu Aug 7 16:32:54 2003:

Oh, we've been having a great time trying out different things to try to
take the stuff out of the floor.  Nitric acid, sodium hydroxide, hydrogen
peroxide, combinations of the above with acetone to carry it into the 
very hydrophobic floor, soap, dichloromethane, potassium permanganate...
Amazingly, we haven't been able to even mark the floor except with organic
stuff.  As I believe I already mentioned, we literally scrubbed the floor
off--which was the only way to get rid of the color.  next up:  leaving a
uv-vis lamp on it overnight to see if we can induce photodecomposition.
I'm guessing that the fluorescence will fade but the bright yellow color
will remain.


#380 of 594 by anderyn on Thu Aug 7 16:49:09 2003:

Some stress tests involve some other stuff injected besides adrenaline, I
think. I know that the one test I had done for my thyroid would have set off
the detectors. (Twila's radioactive! Grin.) 


#381 of 594 by edina on Thu Aug 7 17:25:51 2003:

Oh - I had the radioactive stuff too.  It was funny - the doctor asked me 5
times if I was pregnant.  I finally said, there would have to be a star rising
in the east and he said, "Miracles do happen".


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#383 of 594 by dcat on Thu Aug 7 18:41:12 2003:

A former girlfriend had a thyroid disease (hyp(o|er)thyroidism, i don't recall
which), but I don't remember if she'd had the radioactive stuff. . . .


#384 of 594 by keesan on Thu Aug 7 21:05:40 2003:

Eric, re health insurance, 17% a year increase is normal.  My previous policy
doubled in cost in two years.  I am paying $100/month and I am probably 20
years older than you, American Community Mutual, very high deductible but it
covers drugs and preventive care and accidents with no deductible.  If you
pay for a whole year just before your birthday you get the prebirthday rate.


#385 of 594 by rcurl on Thu Aug 7 22:24:28 2003:

You'll get a very brown floor with KMnO4. Try regular old sodium hypochlorite.


#386 of 594 by russ on Thu Aug 7 22:33:59 2003:

Man, Lynne... things must really be bad for you.  My sympathies.


#387 of 594 by lynne on Fri Aug 8 00:26:16 2003:

386:  Er, thanks.  Not quite sure what prompted that--the floor doesn't
matter *that* much to me.
385:  Bleach was one of the first things we tried.  No dice.  Amusingly
enough, one of my labmates suggested toothpaste--haven't tried *that* yet. :)


#388 of 594 by anderyn on Fri Aug 8 01:58:24 2003:

If you do have the radioactive stuff, you do set off the detectors at the
border for a while. Don't know how long, but Bruce said that people often do
set off the detectors, and it's that -- some folks bring in notes from their
doctors. 


#389 of 594 by edina on Fri Aug 8 14:43:07 2003:

I just got to ingest barium this morning.  Nasty nasty nasty!!  No gall stones
though, so that's a good thing!


#390 of 594 by dcat on Fri Aug 8 15:06:09 2003:

A bunch of savings bonds that I was given had not yet matured --- although
the bank person couldn't tell me when they *would* have matured --- so
slightly-less-than-$3000 turned into $2750.  Still more money than I've ever
had, but a lot more less than I'm going to owe the university by the end of
the year.


#391 of 594 by arabella on Fri Aug 8 19:55:11 2003:

Slightly bummed because I'm at an Internet cafe in Warsaw, and telnet 
is forbidden here too.  Sigh.  I'll be home in 3 days, which does *not* 
make me bummed.


#392 of 594 by richard on Fri Aug 8 21:04:37 2003:

IBB I got locked out of my apartment last night (while it was raining 
no less).  The key wouldn't open the lock.  Seems the bolt broke.  It 
was an old lock and its time had come.  The fire escape is on the other 
side of the building and my windows were locked, so after pounding and 
shaking on the door, trying to get the key to turn, I had to call a 
locksmith who took more than hour to get there.  He couldn't get it 
open either and ended up having to get out a drill and break the lock.  
He showed me the pieces of the broken      bolt/lock as I'd been 
skeptical when he said the bolt was broken and he explained (logically) 
that locks are mechanical objects, and like anything else that is 
mechanical, it was never going to last forever.  Locks do break, 
particularly old ones that are opened and closed every day for 
decades.  I just turned an old lock one too many times  

So now I have a brand new shiny lock on my door, and can probably look 
forward to a conversation with my landlord over the locksmith's 
bill.    


#393 of 594 by slynne on Fri Aug 8 21:46:31 2003:

wow. that would put me in a bad mood for sure. 


#394 of 594 by tod on Fri Aug 8 22:06:39 2003:

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#395 of 594 by janc on Sat Aug 9 03:54:40 2003:

We could also put up a Java telnet client on Grex, that anyone with a
Java-capable web browser could use to telnet to Grex.


#396 of 594 by bru on Sat Aug 9 12:38:44 2003:

I am bummed becaus eO lost my sons Air Force ring yesterday at the dollar
store in ypsilanti.  It may be in the trunk of the car, but I have not found
it so far.


#397 of 594 by novomit on Sat Aug 9 12:50:47 2003:

IBB I ran out of valium today.


#398 of 594 by keesan on Sat Aug 9 17:11:27 2003:

I pulled another muscle in my rib area and it hurts to walk or lie on my right
side.


#399 of 594 by happyboy on Sat Aug 9 19:42:24 2003:

you should eat a thick juicy steak and some fries followed by 
a milkshake.


#400 of 594 by naftee on Mon Aug 11 02:30:11 2003:

I had steak today and yesterday.


#401 of 594 by lynne on Mon Aug 11 16:55:17 2003:

IBB I came in to one email from the gym administrators saying "sorry--we
accidentally cut the lock off your locker and threw out all your stuff
because we didn't realize you'd renewed it" and another from my advisor
ordering me in to explain some results--understandable, but not quite the
welcome back I was looking for.  Bah.


#402 of 594 by remmers on Mon Aug 11 18:45:24 2003:

Are they going to compensate you for the stuff they threw out?


#403 of 594 by richard on Mon Aug 11 23:40:23 2003:

IVBB Herb Brooks, the former coach of the New York Rangers and coach of
the 1980 U.S. Olympic gold medal hockey team, died in a car accident 
this morning.  "The miracle on ice" was one of the great sports 
moments.  I remember watching the U.S. stun the Soviet Union in the 
semifinals like it was yesterday, so its hard to believe it was 23 
years ago now and coach Brooks is now gone.  RIP

Also Gregory Hines died of cancer yesterday.  Hines was one of the
pre-eminent tap dancers in the world and a wonderful actor.  Somewhere 
on one of my old tapes, I have on tape the tribute concert they did for 
Hines's idol Sammy Davis Jr., who was himself dying of cancer at the 
time and had only a few weeks to live.  Davis was Gregory Hines' idol 
and mentor, and Hines came on and did a tap dance tribute to Davis.  
And then he invited Davis-- by then very sick and unable to speak due 
to throat cancer--  on stage, and Hines gave him some tap shoes, and 
they danced together and brought the house down.  A great tv moment.

Now both are dead and both dyed of cancer.   Gregory Hines RIP   


#404 of 594 by tod on Mon Aug 11 23:52:34 2003:

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#405 of 594 by jaklumen on Tue Aug 12 00:37:38 2003:

Yeah, kinda weird, isn't it?  Hella tap dancer.


#406 of 594 by lynne on Tue Aug 12 15:15:46 2003:

re 402:  I dunno, probably not.  They're strapped for cash over there since
the new gym went *way* over budget.  Besides, a significant amount of the
stuff isn't really replaceable--my athletic shorts from being in the
NU marching band eight years ago; some shampoo that I've been hoarding
because I loved it and they discontinued it.  Sentimental value only.
Bastards.


#407 of 594 by edina on Tue Aug 12 16:28:07 2003:

Herb Brooks did not die of cancer - he was in an automobile accident.  Roger
Neilson died of cancer.

I am sad about both losses, but Brooks hit me harder.  I thought he was an
amazing coach and the game has lost something.


#408 of 594 by happyboy on Tue Aug 12 17:31:32 2003:

8D


#409 of 594 by richard on Tue Aug 12 21:26:43 2003:

407-- I didn't say Herb Brooks died of cancer, I said Gregory Hines 
died of cancer, just like his idol Sammy Davis.  


#410 of 594 by eskarina on Tue Aug 12 22:38:24 2003:

The housing situation is frustrating me.

I moved into a new house at the last minute, on assurance from the co-op
office that they had a wait list and several people waiting to take my room
if it opened up.  Well, go into the office today and find out that Joan shooed
away everyone on the wait list because she didn't have a written release form
from me, even though we had been phoning and emailing all last week about me
getting out of my phoenix contract.

On Saturday my dad and I painted my new room in the new house "jungle green",
which was fun and the color is cheery and far superior to the depressing dark
blue that it was before.  However, I still cannot get the room to air out,
and the two guys who live in the house keep turning the fan that I put in the
window off.  The doors don't have individual locks so I can't leave the fan
on and lock the door.

Any suggestions for airing out a room?  I have never had it take this long
in my life before... I want to get my stuff moved out of the co-op, and all
my furniture up from A2, and its hard to do when the room still gives me a
headache if I'm in there too long!

Grr.


#411 of 594 by tod on Tue Aug 12 23:49:02 2003:

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#412 of 594 by michaela on Wed Aug 13 00:46:07 2003:

Is the fan blowing out? If so, why do they keep turning it off? Don't they
realize that it will help with the paint fumes?


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#414 of 594 by goose on Wed Aug 13 03:45:46 2003:

get a lock.


#415 of 594 by edina on Wed Aug 13 12:18:04 2003:

Re 409  I'm sorry Richard - I misread.


#416 of 594 by keesan on Sat Aug 16 11:59:06 2003:

My CT scan was Wednesday and was one of the worst days in my life.  Someone
forgot to tell someone else I was supposed to drink a contrast solution (which
is why they have you come in an hour early) so they jabbed a needle in my arm
at 2:30, left me for 1/2 hour on my back on a stretcher and then brought me
16 ounces of really smelly stuff to drink and then had me wait an hour.  Two
hours with a needle and syringe in my right arm.  Could not use left arm
because of pulled muscle and I had to keep getting up and down.  Had to climb
up on the machine with no arms.

Another bad day was when I got the results - probably lymphoma of the spleen.
Lymphoma is suppose to be easily treatable with radiation.  It will hopefully
let me gain back 20 pounds and sleep at night so I guess a diagnosis is good.
Anyone have any good stories about lymphoma?


#417 of 594 by scott on Sat Aug 16 12:17:55 2003:

Wow - sorry to mear that, Sindi.


#418 of 594 by janc on Sat Aug 16 13:00:08 2003:

Likewise.  Please get well.


#419 of 594 by goose on Sat Aug 16 14:29:55 2003:

I wish you a speedy and healthy recovery Sindi, I'm sorry to hear it;s so
serious..


#420 of 594 by beeswing on Sat Aug 16 15:32:13 2003:

Indeed.

Have heard no good stories about lymphoma, but no bad ones either.


#421 of 594 by jaklumen on Sat Aug 16 17:27:01 2003:

I am working like a dog to get a job as DSHS is about to apply 
pressure.  (I meet with a case manager on Tuesday who is said to be 
over the top and is going to blow a lot of hot air.)  I spent 2 1/2 
hours Thursday getting 7 resumes faxed, about 1-2 jobs sent online, 
and looking over several more jobs.  Most of these were professional 
jobs that sometimes required tests.  I definitely had to get cover 
letters crafted for them, and some I had to print off applications 
for.  I had some help from staff with the agency that is sponsoring my 
current state job.

The usual search involves looking over the newspaper classifieds, job 
bank websites, employer websites, and so on.  Some sites gave us the 
runaround-- had to put in all this information just to look at jobs.


#422 of 594 by anderyn on Sat Aug 16 18:02:45 2003:

Sorry to hear that you're ill, Sindi. Best of luck with the treatments.


#423 of 594 by dcat on Sat Aug 16 18:43:23 2003:

What does DSHS stand for?   Department something something Services, I'd
guess, but from the somewhat minimal context of your message I'm rather at
a loss for what the middle letters mean.


#424 of 594 by michaela on Sat Aug 16 20:38:43 2003:

IBB I ended up in the hospital last night. I got stung by something, and my
hand was swollen like the Michelin Man.  I managed to get the ring Ken bought
for me off my finger by wrenching it and yanking it all the way there, but
they had to cut off my Clauddagh ring.  I've had that ring on my finger since
1993, so I was pretty bummed. :(

(I went to the hospital because the swelling was spreading, and I wanted to
make sure it wouldn't move to my throat and cut off my breathing).


#425 of 594 by keesan on Sat Aug 16 21:47:24 2003:

I was advised to take Benadryl-type pills for beestings.  I also swell.  The
Benadryl worked immediately (and also put me to sleep).  Every 12 hours for
two days.   I carry it with me.


#426 of 594 by polytarp on Sat Aug 16 22:55:34 2003:

There's no way the Benadryl pills worked immediately.  They must've taken some
tens of minutes to work!


#427 of 594 by rcurl on Sun Aug 17 02:01:40 2003:

I knew someone for whom this was such a serous problem that she always
carried a hypo for a shot of adrenaline. The first time, though, I got
her to a doctor barely in time as her throat swelled shut.


#428 of 594 by jep on Sun Aug 17 02:15:26 2003:

Best wishes, Sindi.  I'm sorry to hear about your lymphoma.  Do you 
know when you'll be taking the next step in treatment, and what that 
treatment will be?


#429 of 594 by i on Sun Aug 17 06:39:17 2003:

Very sorry to hear that, Sindi.  My *impression* is that diagnosis of 
anything like lymphoma via CT is really just guesswork - they have to 
eyeball the suspect cells under a microscope (or similar) to really 
know what the "extra blob thingie" shown by the CT actually is. 


#430 of 594 by keesan on Sun Aug 17 12:13:55 2003:

They will be doing a biopsy under guided ultrasound next week.


#431 of 594 by mary on Sun Aug 17 13:22:12 2003:

Best wishes, Sindi.  Take it day by day and be good
to yourself.  If it feels right, keep us up to date.



#432 of 594 by slynne on Sun Aug 17 14:12:25 2003:

I dont know much about lymphoma but I am sorry to hear that you'll have 
to deal with something like that. 


#433 of 594 by michaela on Sun Aug 17 18:29:39 2003:

Good luck, Sindi.


#434 of 594 by scg on Sun Aug 17 20:05:13 2003:

I'm sorry about your illness.  Good luck with it.


#435 of 594 by jaklumen on Sun Aug 17 21:46:31 2003:

resp:423  Department of Social and Health Services


#436 of 594 by happyboy on Sun Aug 17 21:58:08 2003:

in washington state it operates out of a refridgerator box
ar aurora & denny way.


#437 of 594 by keesan on Mon Aug 18 05:03:35 2003:

Thank you all for your wishes.  My brother in Boston suggested I get some sort
of power of attorney form to give Jim the right to make medical decisions for
me (and visit in the hospital).  Where do I find one of those?   Jim's brother
is a radiologist.

I have yet another pulled muscle.  I hate lying down.  I am trying to get back
some back muscle strength and now it hurts to sit again.  I seem to be okay
at the office chair in front of the computer that Jim set up for me.  The
board is from JEP and now it does not do random resets.  It did not like its
Cyrix cpu.  It is happy with an Intel MMX.  It also has no Com2 but we don't
use a modem and mouse at the same time.  It has replaced two Compaq 486s with
noisy power supplies that drowned out the radio.  This case (from a 286) also
has a noisy power supply that drowns out the radio.

Jim fixed me up a really nice little room here, with a mattress instead of
a camping map (that was pretty uncomfortable to sleep on, especially with no
body fat) and more than 16" next to the bed.  I have a chair, a lamp (compact
fluorescent so as to heat less, thermometer (so I will know why I am too hot
to use a top sheet, until yesterday), little boombox on the wall.
Armchair out in the bigger room to eat at and play scrabble and I can sit for
an hour at a time in it.  Nice little bucket in a milk crate with a toilet
seat on top of it.  (There is a rainwater flush toilet downstairs but I am
not up to stairs right now).  The stuff they gave me to drink Wed. is still
coming out - it stinks.  Even in my sweat.

During the blackout I had a portable radio with little speakers plugged in.
And a fancy round battery lamp on the wall that you had to push just right.

You need body fat to sleep.  I keep waking up after an hour with a very sore
bottom shoulder.  Any ideas?  We put a thick polyester sleeping bag on the
cotton mattress.

Hope this is amusing for people.  Jim has been awfully nice about dragging
all sorts of gadgets for propping yourself up in bed and bed tables here and
he even somehow carried over the armchair (on his head or his bike?).  My apt
is over a block away.  It is too noisy to sleep there - the upstairs kitchen
is over the downstairs bedroom.


#438 of 594 by michaela on Mon Aug 18 06:25:55 2003:

Sindi - you can buy some foam mattress covers that fit under a fitted sheet.
They add support and padding. Also, make sure your pillows are
extra-fluffy-feathery types (if you aren't allergic). I don't really know what
to suggest, since I have enough body fat for three people.  ;-)

As for the power of attorney form -- can you get that at a hospital?  I
remember talking about it with the nurses when I went in for surgery, but I
can't remember (thanks to Demerol) what they told me about the forms. If
anything, I'm sure you can get one at the city offices or a lawyer's office.


#439 of 594 by cmcgee on Mon Aug 18 11:31:47 2003:

Check the web for a "living will", "durable power of attorney" etc.  Because
you and Jim are not married, you may need an attorney to double check that
your family cannot override your wishes if you are not able to make decisions
yourself, like being under the influence of strong narcotics, unconscious,
etc.  A simple form may not be sufficient for your situation.  


#440 of 594 by jmsaul on Mon Aug 18 11:49:52 2003:

Sindi, I'm very sorry to hear about this, but stay tough:  people beat
lymphoma every day.

Here's the UM Health System page on establishing a durable power of attorney
for health care:

  http://www.med.umich.edu/1libr/aha/umlegal02.htm

It's a good starting point, but I agree with cmcgee that you should also check
with a lawyer who knows this area of law and see if they think you need
anything else because you and Jim aren't married.


#441 of 594 by cmcgee on Mon Aug 18 11:53:57 2003:

Also, consider that the most critical issue may not be "which treatment to
give" but whether or not to _withhold_ or withdraw a treatment.  Families can
get downright hostile when one person decides that the doctor's recommendation
to withhold or stop a treatment be followed.  

That happened recently to a friend who was suffering from cancer.  His
family's grief and anger about the cancer got focused on his live-in lover,
who had been there for the 6 months of diagnosis and treatment because his
family lived too far away.  When hospice decisions needed to be made, even
though he was pretty rational, his family displaced a lot of their hostility
about the decisions on the lover.  


#442 of 594 by keesan on Mon Aug 18 16:31:47 2003:

My brother would be happy to have someone else make decisions.  When my mother
died he went on vacation for three months and left me to empty out the house
(keeping what I wanted) and sell it and do all the paperwork.  I talk to him
once a year on his birthday.  

I will look at that website next time I sit up.


#443 of 594 by tod on Mon Aug 18 19:44:05 2003:

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#444 of 594 by michaela on Mon Aug 18 20:41:42 2003:

My brother beat lymphoma when he was eight years old. Stay strong.  :)


#445 of 594 by senna on Mon Aug 18 22:12:44 2003:

I'm sorry to hear about that, Sindi.  What hospital are you attending for
treatment?  Cat Scans aren't all that pleasant, but you learn to get used to
them and in the end it's not all that bad.  My dad had to get them every six
weeks, and he would barely mention it if we didn't ask about it.

I know of several people who currently live normal lives following various
lymphomas.  Even more serious cancers, such as what my dad had, are only
obstacles to be overcome.  Good luck.  If you want to read something rather
inspiring, read Lance Armstrong's book.  Consider, when you read it, that he
just won his fifth consecutive Tour de France this year, tying the record.

I hope things go well.


#446 of 594 by jaklumen on Tue Aug 19 01:16:32 2003:

I overslept and missed my doctor's appointment for an initial sleep 
evaluation-- how bitterly ironic is that-- and had to reschedule to a 
time that now conflicts with work.


#447 of 594 by jiffer on Tue Aug 19 02:00:01 2003:

Good luck Sindi.  Though I don't know much about the medical issues, if you
have insurance issues, pop me an email since I do a lot of medical billing.


#448 of 594 by michaela on Tue Aug 19 05:14:49 2003:

Re #446 - if I'd been the receptionist and you'd called me with that excuse,
it would have been very hard not to chuckle politely at the irony (and then
laugh once the phone was back on the hook).  :)


#449 of 594 by scott on Tue Aug 19 15:26:07 2003:

Didn't sleep well last night, and somehow also picked up an extremely sore
neck in the process.


#450 of 594 by polytarp on Tue Aug 19 17:10:35 2003:

Take a fucking Benadryl.


#451 of 594 by lynne on Tue Aug 19 17:51:43 2003:

Dammit.  Back to the can't-go-to-sleep, then can't-wake-up cycle.  I was
really hoping to be through with this.  Especially annoying because I'm
totally exhausted by the time I can call boy, but too tired to make sense,
but can't fall asleep if I hang up either.  Bah.


#452 of 594 by keesan on Tue Aug 19 19:38:20 2003:

Thanks to all three of you with the good stories about lymphoma.  That is
really encouraging.  I feel better already.  Tomorrow I have outpatient biopsy
to determine the details.

Re the sore shoulder - I think I would be okay if the muscle would stop
pulling as I found one position that works.  I already have an inch of foam
(that cmopresses to nothing) and two down pillows.  


#453 of 594 by michaela on Tue Aug 19 20:21:39 2003:

I'd tell you to cocoon in some blankets and the sleeping bag, but it's too
hot.  :(


#454 of 594 by goose on Tue Aug 19 21:07:49 2003:

RE#450 that wouldn't do any fucking good.


#455 of 594 by senna on Tue Aug 19 21:30:53 2003:

I deal extensively with insurance billing myself (what do you do, exactly,
jiffer?  I'm mostly registration and problem-solving), so let me know if you
have any questions.  Particularly if you attend St. Joe's, Sindi, because I
can tell you who to talk to if I'm not the guy to help.

Then again, my mum could tell you all about the U of M oncology unit, so
there's more resources out there.

People talk about "losing the battle" when someone dies from a disease.  I
find that to be innaccurate--everybody dies, not everybody loses.  My dad won
his battle with cancer, and it wasn't something the doctors could do for
him--it's all about spirit.  Keep yours up, Sindi, and it will do you a world
of good.


#456 of 594 by happyboy on Tue Aug 19 23:15:07 2003:

re452: consider spending some time on the cube with gabriel chin
(if he's still around).  some of the stuff he does might ease
your muscle problems.


#457 of 594 by jmsaul on Tue Aug 19 23:49:06 2003:

He's still around.


#458 of 594 by goose on Wed Aug 20 01:38:41 2003:

IBB I learned from an article in the newspaper that a friend, and a damn nice
person, was likely murdered by her boyfriend.


#459 of 594 by scott on Wed Aug 20 02:05:43 2003:

Yikes.


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#461 of 594 by jaklumen on Wed Aug 20 06:57:45 2003:

resp:448 maybe.  But at a sleep clinic?  No, although it would 
normally seem funny, this is actually very, very serious.  I'm 
starting to get very scared.  I hate waking up after a full night's 
sleep dead tired or even sleep some nights waking up 3, 4 times a 
night.  I just about freaked hardcore because missing an appointment 
with a referral counts as two no-shows with my primary care physician 
and I get dropped.  We frantically rescheduled the appointment.

Laugh if you feel like it.  I'm actually hurt. 


#462 of 594 by michaela on Wed Aug 20 07:59:54 2003:

I know it is serious, but the irony did not escape me. I'm not actually
laughing AT you or your problem.


#463 of 594 by jmsaul on Wed Aug 20 11:52:50 2003:

When he's more awake, the irony will seem funnier.


#464 of 594 by anderyn on Wed Aug 20 12:37:00 2003:

Bummed because someone cut a fiber optic cable and our phone service is out
probably until the 25th of this month. So no Internet/grex at home for the
next week. :-( 


#465 of 594 by remmers on Wed Aug 20 13:41:43 2003:

Ack!  And you live not far from us.  My sympathies - internet deprivation
is serious stuff.

<remmers checks the phone.  it works...>


#466 of 594 by lynne on Wed Aug 20 14:18:13 2003:

re back there:  AC's a fantastic invention.  I turned it back on last night
for the specific purpose of cocooning in a feather bed, and I actually
slept pretty well.  (going to bed at 10 pm didn't hurt either...and caught
boy at his lunch hour.  :))


#467 of 594 by jep on Wed Aug 20 15:35:28 2003:

My car was almost, but not quite, overheating; it would heat up to just 
short of the red line.  I took it in today, and have been told I need a 
new radiator.  I also need a new thermostat.  The estimate is $400, 
which must have pushed my repair tab for my 1992 Taurus with 130,000 
miles over $1500 for the year.

This is the first time I've gotten a new thermostat without also 
getting a new water pump.


#468 of 594 by jiffer on Wed Aug 20 17:11:13 2003:

resp:455 Senna, I do data entry (demographics), A/R, precollections, 
and some coding.  I am learning the coding now.  But I know how to lay 
on sweetness while telling people to pay the doctor.  And I am learning 
to deal better with medicare. 

IBB I am totally out of shape.  I went to pots over the summer.  I 
couldn't swim a whole lap, I got three quarters through it, and was 
breathing to hard to do an american crawl.  So, I am going to have to 
do "homework" to make sure that I can get a decent grade in my PE class 
(decent grade in a PE class will always be an A in my book). 


#469 of 594 by keesan on Thu Aug 21 02:22:14 2003:

Would someone who remembers how start me a separate hospital-type time?
Today I had the biopsy and they made me wait four hours afterwards with a
needle in my arm, then another hour after taking Tylenol to get my temperature
down (from 102 - it had been 97) and then they pestered me about staying two
more hours because I was exhausted and things hurt.  I just woke up off the
downstairs camping mat and managed to climb the stairs by myself.  

Thanks for help with insurance but there is no need.  The U of M submits the
bill to PPOM, which provides a discount to the insurance company.  Then they
send this discounted bill to me (unless they forgot and billed the company
directly and have to redo it).  Then I pay it.  Up to $5000.  After that I
only pay 30%.  I have a $5000 savings bond. 


#470 of 594 by goose on Thu Aug 21 02:40:03 2003:

RE#460 -- She was an employee at my credit union...I learned today that she
started there the year I moved to Ann Arbor.  After my divorce we flirted a
bit and I almost got up the nerve to ask her out.  Had I done that...well I
suppose she could have turned me down and still dated this bastard that killed
her....but who knows.  The whole thing just really sucks.  I always looked
forward to saying hi to her when I ran into her at the credit union....


#471 of 594 by jep on Thu Aug 21 02:51:58 2003:

Sindi, I entered an item for you, item:167.


#472 of 594 by jep on Thu Aug 21 02:54:02 2003:

Chris, I think there was an article about her in the front of the 
Local section in Tuesday's Ann Arbor News.

I am really sorry for the loss of your friend.  What an awful thing to 
have happen.


#473 of 594 by goose on Thu Aug 21 03:01:02 2003:

Yeah, there's been a couple articles in the paper about the death.


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#475 of 594 by charcat on Thu Aug 21 07:24:31 2003:

resp 467. jep you should have another place look at it, It sounds to me like
the place you were at just wanted to cover all things that could be wrong and
charge you for it.  If it is just the thermostat there is no need to replace
the radiator. Do that first, it's much cheaper. I replaced my radiator in my
taurus myself, it was a hassle but cost me only about $180 total parts. (go
to A&B radiator if you in the ann arbor area.


#476 of 594 by michaela on Thu Aug 21 08:47:29 2003:

Goose - I'm really sorry to hear that. :(


#477 of 594 by gull on Thu Aug 21 13:32:10 2003:

Does it overheat all the time, or only when you're stopped in traffic? 
If it overheats all the time, replacing the thermostat, then the
radiator is probably on the right track.  If it only overheats when
you're stopped, your electric radiator fan isn't working.


#478 of 594 by jep on Thu Aug 21 14:23:58 2003:

No, it was overheating when I was driving, and it didn't get any worse 
when I was stopped in traffic.

I have a lot of confidence in my mechanic.  He's refused work before 
because he thought it didn't need to be done, and gotten really upset 
when he found out I was overcharged by $20 once.  I don't know cars.  I 
need someone like that to watch out for me.

I should have asked if he could get a used radiator, though; I didn't 
think of it, and now it's too late.



#479 of 594 by scott on Thu Aug 21 15:19:21 2003:

I don't think a used radiator would be a good value, but a recored radiator
is a pretty good deal.  I've had one or two radiators recored on previous
cars.


#480 of 594 by gull on Thu Aug 21 16:38:06 2003:

A lot of modern cars have radiators that can't be easily recored,
unfortunately.


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#482 of 594 by jep on Thu Aug 21 17:53:15 2003:

I've never had the cooling system flushed.  I guess it'll get flushed 
now, though.


#483 of 594 by tpryan on Thu Aug 21 18:02:25 2003:

        Then consider some $35-$69 of the bill to be for coolant
system flush and refill.  Your mechanic might break it down for
you.


#484 of 594 by jep on Thu Aug 21 19:42:24 2003:

He will.


#485 of 594 by jep on Thu Aug 21 20:09:16 2003:

(My mechanic's son is into computers and technology, so my mechanic has 
a computer with a complete billing system, and also has pagers, cell 
phones and walkie-talkies for all of his cars.  It's quite humorous, at 
times, to go in and see one of the mechanics fumbling with all this 
stuff, trying to figure out how to accept a check.)


#486 of 594 by gregb on Sat Aug 23 15:27:18 2003:

IBB I'm working today.  B-(


#487 of 594 by russ on Sun Aug 24 01:43:51 2003:

During my ride, I tried to turn my bike light on but it came
off its mounting instead.  The case is banged up and it's not
working.  If I'm lucky it's just the bulb, but if it's not...


#488 of 594 by i on Sun Aug 24 02:24:24 2003:

Another bat got into my apartment.  As usual, it spread scat on the
carpet, kitchen counter, etc.  Wish i could rent a non-allergenic
flying cat this time every year.  Time to hassle the landlord to look
into how they're getting in here.


#489 of 594 by gull on Sun Aug 24 02:38:35 2003:

My parents actually caught one squeezing through a gap under their 
bedroom window screen.


#490 of 594 by jiffer on Sun Aug 24 03:08:35 2003:

resp:488 get one of those genetically re-engineered hairless cats.  I hear
they maybe on discount at the Mad Scientist's Lab up the mountain.  Careful
of the monkey with an extra something. 


#491 of 594 by beeswing on Sun Aug 24 03:54:54 2003:

Bats? Aiyeee. I've never seen one in my corner of the world.


#492 of 594 by jaklumen on Sun Aug 24 05:02:29 2003:

I do not want to wait 8 weeks to sleep better... *sigh*


#493 of 594 by i on Sun Aug 24 11:59:20 2003:

Re: #490
That and the through-wall AC units are top suspects.  Tempting to wire 
the former to the 240...


#494 of 594 by tod on Sun Aug 24 13:35:09 2003:

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#495 of 594 by lynne on Sun Aug 24 17:23:00 2003:

IBB my boss wanted to meet with me "midafternoon" today, thus putting the
kibosh on any trips to my favorite outlet mall--it's an hour drive each way
and closes at 6.  But mostly I'm bummed because I really can't afford to go
shopping anyway.  Wahh!  I want shoes!


#496 of 594 by senna on Mon Aug 25 20:26:59 2003:

It's taking a long time to re-activate the home internet connection.  As a
result, I must do everything from a computer lab some driving distance from
my house.

It's not actually that bad, but sometimes it's a bugger.  


#497 of 594 by dcat on Mon Aug 25 23:15:10 2003:

Pitt's PPPOE campus network is making it somewhat difficult to get my
(linux-running) computer working properly and usefully.


#498 of 594 by katie on Tue Aug 26 18:40:08 2003:

I removed a bat from my house 2 days ago. When I left the house, it was
flying circles in my sunporch. I just opened the outside door and it flew
out.


#499 of 594 by rcurl on Tue Aug 26 22:56:40 2003:

This is the time of year that bats, along with their young from this year,
invetigate new potential hibernacula or roosts. It appears to be "get
acquainted with the neighborhood" training. The technical term for the
behavior is "swarming". 


#500 of 594 by eskarina on Thu Aug 28 19:54:14 2003:

IBB I failed to plan and the Amtrak tickets to Chicago that were too expensive
anyhow are now sold out for the weekend.  

IABB my wireless ethernet in teh house is spotty and keeps going out every
3 minutes or so and I dont know why.  I am currently using my housemate's
computer and it works fine.


#501 of 594 by beeswing on Thu Aug 28 23:26:52 2003:

IBB I don't get paid until the 15th, and my bills are all due NOW. 


#502 of 594 by jaklumen on Wed Sep 3 05:09:14 2003:

I didn't get the job I'd been interviewed for.  It was a really good 
job, too, that would have made use of my degree that not doing me much 
good right now, would have paid well, had benefits, and would have 
furthered my work experience.  The job market is really tough, man.

Stack another one to the rejection pile.  But this one was a good 
showing-- someone just had more of the qualifications they were 
looking for.


#503 of 594 by vidar on Wed Sep 3 11:05:31 2003:

IBB one of my friends' goals will eventually make her my enemy.  This, 
naturally, makes it hard to remain friends now.


#504 of 594 by mynxcat on Wed Sep 3 17:14:03 2003:

IBB because people like vidar insist on posting cryptic responses that 
leave me curious about the situation


#505 of 594 by tod on Wed Sep 3 17:30:00 2003:

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#506 of 594 by happyboy on Wed Sep 3 18:43:20 2003:

and then you will need to wash it off, somehow.


#507 of 594 by remmers on Wed Sep 3 20:45:59 2003:

(I treat cryptic posts like #503 as an opportunity to exercise my
imagination.)


#508 of 594 by mynxcat on Wed Sep 3 21:17:19 2003:

MY imagination is running wild! I need the facts


#509 of 594 by tod on Wed Sep 3 21:25:07 2003:

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#510 of 594 by vidar on Wed Sep 3 21:59:22 2003:

Ok, if you really want it perfectly clear: one of her goals is to 
become a missionary.  After my experience in Malaysia, I think of 
missionaries as ranking among the most evil "types" of people on Earth.


#511 of 594 by tod on Wed Sep 3 22:06:32 2003:

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#512 of 594 by mynxcat on Wed Sep 3 22:36:31 2003:

Father Ralph was not gay. But Thornbirds did seem to point out the 
hypocrixcy of the whole situation


#513 of 594 by tod on Wed Sep 3 22:42:54 2003:

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#514 of 594 by eskarina on Wed Sep 3 23:06:00 2003:

<Joins the people who need too much info>

re 510:  I'm curious about your experience in Malasia.


#515 of 594 by vidar on Thu Sep 4 00:17:14 2003:

Most of those memories are not good, and I either repress them or try 
to selectively kill the brain cells that remember them with alcohol.  
Granted, it was mostly the school that lead to the bad memories.  The 
best thing that came from that experience is that I did manage to 
breakthrough the brainwashing the kids at that school had, and I have 
later learned that some of them realized just how horrible they were 
under that school's evil influence.


#516 of 594 by drew on Thu Sep 4 02:55:55 2003:

Whatwas the school doing with/to the kids?


#517 of 594 by happyboy on Thu Sep 4 07:07:57 2003:

prolly some sort of religious indoctrination.


#518 of 594 by vidar on Thu Sep 4 11:58:35 2003:

happyboy has it right.  It was a Fundamentalist Christian Missionary 
school, and most of the students had become as bad as their parents.  
My religious experience includeded "trying on" Christianity 
(Presbyterian to be precise) in my youth, but I had rejected it by the 
time I was 12.  So, as a pagan with 99.99% of the school trying to 
convert me, it wasn't pleasant.  I have to admit that some people who 
already were of more tolerant versions of Christianity had a problem 
with that school too.


#519 of 594 by mynxcat on Thu Sep 4 15:47:50 2003:

Richard Cahmberlain may be gay, but Father Ralph was not


#520 of 594 by happyboy on Thu Sep 4 16:49:33 2003:

he was too a fag, you boys.

i installed 2-way mirrors in his
pad up in brentwood and he
come to the door in a dress.


#521 of 594 by tod on Thu Sep 4 18:32:49 2003:

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#522 of 594 by dah on Thu Sep 4 18:33:17 2003:

Me neither.


#523 of 594 by happyboy on Thu Sep 4 22:58:02 2003:

you can't trust them, them commies an christians.


#524 of 594 by michaela on Fri Sep 5 04:49:19 2003:

The boy and I are still together, but I'm not feeling so great. He says
everything is fine, but he keeps saying things that make me think it won't
last much longer. This is driving me nuts, which makes me depressed, which
pushes him away. It's a bad cycle. He's always been honest, but idiots in my
past make me not want to just let myself be happy and trust what he says. This
is so not good.


#525 of 594 by jaklumen on Fri Sep 5 05:08:15 2003:

The usual grind of the job search.  Man, I really want that new job to 
bite with all this fishing, so to speak.


#526 of 594 by jaklumen on Fri Sep 5 05:08:53 2003:

that and being tired all the time.  May Oct. 12th come soon...


#527 of 594 by happyboy on Fri Sep 5 07:44:42 2003:

re524:  try smiling and singing "High Hopes"


#528 of 594 by beeswing on Fri Sep 5 15:19:26 2003:

IBB I have to reiterate that not all christians are bible thumping 
zealots.

IBB I have detention duty after school, so I stay an extra hour.


#529 of 594 by tod on Fri Sep 5 16:02:21 2003:

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#530 of 594 by happyboy on Fri Sep 5 18:09:33 2003:

re529: general tso's kitten

re528: they are all dirty and smell like polyester and armpit.


#531 of 594 by tod on Fri Sep 5 18:24:41 2003:

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#532 of 594 by mynxcat on Fri Sep 5 18:32:16 2003:

Oh my.


#533 of 594 by anderyn on Fri Sep 5 19:46:12 2003:

I think if you had to kill a kitten it'd be best to do it quickly and as
painlessly as possible. I would hate to do it, but I would, if it were hurt
badly. (Twila remembers her great-aunt put down kittens who were born deformed
by cats who were too old to be getting pregnant... but who were stuck with
it because their owner wouldn't have them spayed.)


#534 of 594 by gelinas on Fri Sep 5 19:56:34 2003:

(I'm surpised the cat lived that long after having its neck broken.
Especially if it was being moved around as much, and as carelessly,
as indicated above.)


#535 of 594 by flem on Fri Sep 5 20:01:23 2003:

I suppose this is an indication that I've spent way too much time on the
internet, but I have a hard time keeping a straight face when people talk
about killing kittens.  


#536 of 594 by happyboy on Fri Sep 5 20:03:26 2003:

re534

didn't notice the word "novel"?


#537 of 594 by gelinas on Fri Sep 5 20:18:05 2003:

Yup, but I was responding to #533.


#538 of 594 by tod on Fri Sep 5 20:22:32 2003:

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#539 of 594 by rcurl on Fri Sep 5 20:35:21 2003:

Methanol......that should work.


#540 of 594 by jaklumen on Fri Sep 5 23:48:42 2003:

resp:528 *sniff sniff* Man, I knew I shouldn't have worn that leisure 
suit... *whoa damn!*  I sure am ripe!  Guess I need to take a bath now.


#541 of 594 by happyboy on Sat Sep 6 01:22:15 2003:

:)


#542 of 594 by scott on Sat Sep 6 01:46:06 2003:

I gave up bundling the foliage I'd pruned after getting stung by a wasp and
getting a thorn (from the buckthorn) right in the tip of my right index
finger.


#543 of 594 by rcurl on Sun Sep 7 05:09:00 2003:

IABB because it took me ALL day Saturday to upgrade an iMac from OS 8.6 to
9.2.2. 



#544 of 594 by ea on Mon Sep 8 03:01:55 2003:

IBB my car was broken into, and my cd player was taken.

Also bummed because I have suffered what appears to be a hip flexor 
injury, and it's making walking difficult.


#545 of 594 by lynne on Mon Sep 8 17:33:45 2003:

IBB my week of vacation is over and I'm back at work--with red-eye hangover.
Can I go home now?
Also vaguely noticing a few subtle bits of weirdness that I think mark the
end of the "honeymoon" period of our relationship.  Not too worried--it's 
been nearly 15 months, which is exceptionally long for that perpetually-
glowy phase.  I think I can settle for 94% glowiness.  And it was a wonderful
vacation any way you cut it.


#546 of 594 by other on Tue Sep 9 01:07:48 2003:

I forgot to mention Memphis, Tennessee in my list of places I've been in 
the last month, and I also didn't know how to get a hold of beeswing so I 
could stop by and say hi while I was passing through the neighborhood.
(I hadn't specifically planned to be there, and didn't have access to a 
computer once I realized I would.)

That was the day before yesterday. (Saturday)


#547 of 594 by katie on Tue Sep 9 23:02:58 2003:

I have a skin-cancerish looking thing on my arm and a lump in my other
armpit. The thing on my arm tripled in size in 3 days' time.


#548 of 594 by scott on Tue Sep 9 23:05:41 2003:

Yikes!  But probably it's not quite so bad as you are afraid.  I had a weird
lump in my armpit once, and it turned out to be a minor thing from the cats.


#549 of 594 by dah on Wed Sep 10 00:15:32 2003:

A kitten!


#550 of 594 by other on Wed Sep 10 00:31:51 2003:

A cat impregnated your armpit?  Whoa, dude!   ;)


#551 of 594 by scott on Wed Sep 10 00:33:08 2003:

We had a lot of cats in the house that year.  8)


#552 of 594 by anderyn on Wed Sep 10 00:43:17 2003:

An allergic reaction to a cat scratch? I've had those. 


#553 of 594 by jiffer on Wed Sep 10 00:50:53 2003:

It could be a sabacious (i bet I miss spelled that) cyst in your lymph
glands... I tend to tget them fairlyoften.



#554 of 594 by richard on Wed Sep 10 06:40:35 2003:

IBB Warren Zevon died on Sunday of cancer.  About a hundred million years
ago, when I was in school at UGA, Warren used to hang out down there.
We're talking early/mid eighties here.  Warren used to sit in with local
bands and close down the bars afterward.  He was a real character.  He was
also a real talent, although I regret that I didn't appreciate that at the
time.  I got into his work much later, long after I knew him actually.
Listen to his work sometime.  Warren Zevon.

Warren was only 56.  I know realize how young that really is.  I can't
even conceptualize Warren as being old.  He wasn't the type who'd ever get
old.  


RIP Warren


#555 of 594 by lynne on Wed Sep 10 15:34:34 2003:

(553:  not too far off..."sebacious")


#556 of 594 by katie on Thu Sep 11 00:42:43 2003:

 (sebaceous?)


#557 of 594 by jep on Thu Sep 11 01:35:23 2003:

Best wishes, Katie.  I hope to hear soon that it was nothing major.


#558 of 594 by beeswing on Thu Sep 11 03:21:57 2003:

Argh, other. Wish you'd emailed ahead of time...

Milton the cat has worms. A round of pills should kill 'em dead.


#559 of 594 by other on Thu Sep 11 12:59:42 2003:

The way I "plan" my trips, I didn't know until that day that I was going 
to be going through Memphis.  (I pull out a map each day and look at 
where I am, and where I'm sort of generally headed, and pick out a route 
to follow as a baseline, with no guarantee that that is actually the 
route I'll follow that day.)  I didn't have email access again by that 
point until I got home.


#560 of 594 by lynne on Thu Sep 11 14:25:04 2003:

<doh!  never mind.>


#561 of 594 by gelinas on Fri Sep 12 14:23:21 2003:

IABB both Johnny Cash and Tex Ritter's son died overnight.  I also learned
this morning that Johnny's wife died recently.


#562 of 594 by mynxcat on Fri Sep 12 15:03:23 2003:

Tex Ritter's son - as in John ritter, most known for his role as Jack on
Three's Company. I am bummed about that. I was really enjoying "8 Simple Rules
to Dating my Daughter"


#563 of 594 by richard on Fri Sep 12 17:08:02 2003:

Ritter died after collapsing on the set of his current show, "8 Simples Rules
For Dating My Teenage Daughter", of a heart attack caused by a previously 
undetected heart condition.  Really sad.  He was a great talent.  John
Ritter, who was an emmy winner for Three's Company, and had been in a long
list of tv shows and movies (he was the preacher on the Waltons), was 54.
RIP

Johnny Cash was sadly maore expected.  He was 71 and had been in poor
health for several years, and his beloved wife June Carter-- also a
country music legend-- died a few months ago.  I don't think anybody
thought he was going to live long after she died, as they were said to be
so close.  Johnny Cash was a national treasure, a giant in music.




#564 of 594 by happyboy on Fri Sep 12 17:10:20 2003:

i doubt that cash would want you to be sad at all, every day was
GRAVY for him.


#565 of 594 by richard on Fri Sep 12 17:44:22 2003:

I have entered item #221 about Johnny Cash.  I listened to Johnny Cash's music
all my life.  And no its not sad really, Johnny had been sick for a long time
and I don't doubt he was ready to go, since June had died.  The Man in Black
lived a full life.  People used to say that if God had a voice, a singing
voice, it would be the deep soulful voice of Johnny.  His was a voice that
haunts...


#566 of 594 by lynne on Fri Sep 12 20:47:57 2003:

IBB now all I'm going to remember about Johnny Cash is that cover he did of
the NIN song 'Hurt'.  It irritated me mightily (largely because they played
it literally once every 30 min on Boston stations.)


#567 of 594 by happyboy on Fri Sep 12 20:50:37 2003:

*huggles*


#568 of 594 by jaklumen on Sat Sep 13 00:30:29 2003:

John Ritter died?  How sad.  No more voice of Clifford, either.


#569 of 594 by scott on Tue Sep 16 13:20:31 2003:

Comcast internet is down - at least there's still Grexmodems.


#570 of 594 by other on Wed Sep 17 04:10:33 2003:

http://www.michigandaily.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2003/09/16/3f6697dc60608


#571 of 594 by michaela on Wed Sep 17 10:04:16 2003:

Re #570 - oh wow... that's terrible. :(


#572 of 594 by vidar on Wed Sep 17 12:01:01 2003:

IBB it seems that forbidden love is the only kind I fall into.

IABB I am having difficulty finding the balance between doing what is 
honorable and doing what is healthy for me.


#573 of 594 by slynne on Thu Sep 18 00:54:08 2003:

IBB I ate something that produced some kind of supernatural poo that 
has clogged my toilet beyond any plunging. 


#574 of 594 by tod on Thu Sep 18 03:28:06 2003:

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#575 of 594 by lynne on Thu Sep 18 14:09:28 2003:

IBB I've entered the time zone where I should be hearing from Amgen about an
interview.  Nothing yet, and I'm very antsy--I really, really would like to 
work there.


#576 of 594 by tpryan on Sat Sep 20 16:10:47 2003:

        I'm being bombarded by bunch of virus email on my 
earthlink account.  
        Glad that mail here is clear.


#577 of 594 by jaklumen on Sat Sep 20 22:09:21 2003:

A friend of mine is suffering, and there is little to nothing I can do 
to help.  As I have put it, I cannot reach out to one posturing like 
an armadillo.


#578 of 594 by russ on Sun Sep 21 15:08:30 2003:

IBB it looks like the IEEE, driven by interests such as Diebold,
is about to ram through an endorsement of un-auditable,
un-accountable electronic voting systems.

http://www.eff.org/Activism/E-voting/IEEE/


#579 of 594 by scott on Sun Sep 21 17:35:31 2003:

Ick.  The current companies in electronic voting machines are definitely
worrisome.


#580 of 594 by gelinas on Tue Sep 23 03:30:03 2003:

IBB another coach has to learn how to explain a failure that isn't really his.


#581 of 594 by gull on Tue Sep 23 14:21:10 2003:

It's especially worrisome given stuff like this:
http://www.ohiocitizen.org/moneypolitics/2003/controversy.htm

'Columbus - The head of a company vying to sell voting machines in Ohio
told Republicans in a recent fund-raising letter that he is "committed
to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."

'The Aug. 14 letter from Walden O'Dell, chief executive of Diebold Inc.
- who has become active in the re-election effort of President Bush -
prompted Democrats this week to question the propriety of allowing
O'Dell's company to calculate votes in the 2004 presidential election.'


#582 of 594 by tod on Tue Sep 23 15:28:31 2003:

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#583 of 594 by gelinas on Tue Sep 23 15:50:10 2003:

No, because the Bible-makers won't be in any special position to falsify the
results of the election.  Diebold *is* in such a position because, as has been
reported elsewehere, their vote-counting software cannot be audited: there
is no way to know that the vote it counts is the vote the voter cast.  Maybe
someone _else_ should read "The Stainless Rat for President."


#584 of 594 by tod on Tue Sep 23 17:27:39 2003:

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#585 of 594 by katie on Tue Sep 23 17:47:01 2003:

My friend was kicked out of the "Ann Arbor Gospel Chorale" because of
his sexual orientation.


#586 of 594 by tod on Tue Sep 23 18:00:22 2003:

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#587 of 594 by rcurl on Tue Sep 23 18:16:06 2003:

Re #585: people can be really vicious. Doesn't sound "Christian" to me. 


#588 of 594 by tod on Tue Sep 23 18:53:32 2003:

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#589 of 594 by scg on Tue Sep 23 20:25:43 2003:

Electronic voting machines should be pretty easy to test beforehand --
simulate lots of elections, keep very close track of how many votes were cast
for which candidates, and audit the results.  My understanding is that the
Diebold machines aren't quite so easy to test, as part of the Diebold election
program involves Diebold having remote access to the voting machines while
the election is going on, so they could at least in theory be issued commands
during the real election that wouldn't have been issued to them during the
tests.

That said, there are plenty of rich and/or influential people who make
promises to deliver a state to a certain candidate, generally through the use
of endorsements or fundraising, who have no control over the voting process.
Sometimes such people actually succeed.  Sometimes they fail (John Engler's
promises to deliver the Michigan Republican Primary to George Bush in 2000,
for example).  While Mr. Diebold is in an interesting position to fulfill his
promises through sinister means, I don't think we can conclude that his intent
is to do so.  On the other hand, the lack of an audit trail also opens up lots
of possibilities of fraud by local election officials.  Reset the machine in
the middle of the day, input the right number of votes to match the number
of voters who came through that morning, and you won't have any risk of
somebody noting that more ballots were used than counted, or of your ballot
boxes being found floating in the Bay (San Francisco, a few years ago).

It seems to me that all the usability of the touch screen voting machines
(ignoring that they're not actually all that easy to use) could be gotten
along with an audit trail, by having the voting machines print out a completed
ballot that could be looked over and placed in a ballot box, after each voter
finished voting.  If nobody was suspicious of the results, the counting could
be done easilly via the machine's internal counting features.  If the results
looked wrong, or somebody wanted to challenge them, a handcount of paper would
still be possible.  If what was being printed on the paper was different than
what was being entered into the voting machines, presumably somebody would
notice.


#590 of 594 by scott on Tue Sep 23 20:43:56 2003:

if (today == ELECTION_DAY) {
        mode = REPUBLICAN_UPSET;        
}  else {
        mode = HONEST;  
}


#591 of 594 by gelinas on Tue Sep 23 21:21:18 2003:

Which is why I like optical scanning of paper ballots marked by the voter.
But this is a long way from the "I'm Bummed Because . . . " topic.


#592 of 594 by gull on Wed Sep 24 00:56:34 2003:

http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2003/09/23/bev_harris/index.html is 
another interesting article about this.  It talks about the general 
problems with electronic voting machines, and about a specific problem 
with Diebold machines that allows the results to be easily altered with 
no audit trail.  (Diebold was made aware of this problem and responded, 
essentially, that it was a feature, not a bug.)  It also points out 
hints of touch screen vote fraud in Georgia and King County, Washington. 
 Finally, it notes that in a 2001 MIT/Caltech study the only voting 
system that had a worse error rate than punch cards was...touch screens.


#593 of 594 by richard on Wed Sep 24 02:50:44 2003:

IBB it is officially fall today and we are still in summer agora.  will this
summer ever end?!  bring on the fall!


#594 of 594 by gelinas on Wed Sep 24 04:06:33 2003:

Oh, relax, richard.

IBB I've not yet registered Sol II and now it has expired.  (Sol II is a Palm
application that computes sunrise, sunset, BMAT, BMNT, BMCT, EECT, EENT, EEAT,
moonrise and moonset.  "BMAT" is "Beginning of Morning Astronomical
Twilight.")


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