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Somewhere in the past couple year or so CocaCola has changed the formula for ClassicCoke again. I suspect they've substitued chicory for something (probably because its cheaper). The reason I suspect such is that after drinking a couple cans of Coke over a couple days I notice a certian particularly unpleasant effect - I get the shits and its a particularly smelly, urgent, loose dark brown fluffy stuff that doesn't burn (unlike what you get with spicy rotted meat - indian or paki 'ringburner' stuff) - more like pissing out your ass. The reason I suspect such is that it is exactly the same effect I get when drinking chicory flavored coffee (chicory was actually an ersatz coffee that has now become a "flavor"). My little sister indepentantly reported the same phenomena. My little brother doesn't drink coke for political reasons. I don't get the same thing if I drink mexican, chinese, or kosher coke so I think it may be restricted to the US.
I *really* long for Nai Nai stories.
Beats the crap out of the current crop.
Re #2: Huh. I must not react to chicory the same way, if that's the case, because I haven't noticed anything like that. In the last couple weeks I've taken a liking to RC Cola instead of Coke, though.
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Actually the change is due to the fact that now they use corn syrup to make it sweet. Pepsi tastes like coca cola left out overnight.
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Hi, >octor <lu here.. new to the Grex scene...
Well as for Coke, tried some lately. Did fine, but I have a iron
stomach. In truth, like most from Texas, I drink Dr. Pepper and lately
Mountain Dew Livewire. ;)
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Mmm. Dr Pepper.
sugary pop is the worst thing you can do to your body. well not the worst, but its awfully bad for you.
Julie honey, needhelp coming off the soapbox?
I agree with #11 - bad for teeth, makes people fat.
When I start to get fat, I'll let you know.
i'm coming down from a dr pepper addiction; i've mostly switched to cherry coke. less weird aftertaste, i think. (i'm not texan, but my mother's collaborator who introduced me to it is.)
sugared pop is nasty, and Dr Pepper is the worst. I think pop is the only "bad-for-you-food" that I don't imbibe. Small mercies.
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As a long-time Mt Dew drinker, I tried the livewire stuff as soon as it came out. As far as I'm concerned, it's exactly the same as every other orange soda that Pepsi has produced. In a blind taste test between that and, say, orange slice, I don't think I could tell the difference.
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I almost never drink pop with sugar and yet I'm still fat. It must be the cheesecake ;)
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Sugared pop by itself will not make you fat unless you drink a hell of a lot of it. It is everything you eat and drink plus lifestyle, i.e. are you active or not, that makes you fat. I am getting damned sick and tired of people blaming one thing or another of causing overweight. It is everything together, not just one thing. If I just cut out the Pepsi I drink I will not loose weight unless I also cut out or down on the junk food, butter, etc. and I start exercising more.
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Depends on your definition of fat, but I've known a lot of people that will stop drinking sugary drinks and drop 20 lbs fairly quickly.
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It would depend on how much you were drinking in the first place. If you wree drinking about one can a day, and stopped, I doubt you'd notice a difference. However, if you were drinking say 10 cans a day, and stopped, I'm pretty sure there would be a noticable drop in weight.
yes furs! lots of people i know who are overweight drink alot of mountain dew. a good friend of mine was lamenting her weight last night as she sipped on a dew. alot of people are choosing low carb diets these days, but which ever healthy diet you do choose, i guarentee sugary pop isnt on it. straight refined sugar being poured into your body causes a huge insulin response. it just isnt good for you. sorry brooke, i gotta stay on my soap box. i love pop. and i realize that if i want to keep my body health and desease free, as much as i can do so within my own power, that drinking that shit is something i just can not do! if im gonna splurge on some junk, id much rather have the cheesecake or chocolate than waste the sugar and calories on a soda, no to mention usually one orders the soda along with the cheesecake. its bad bad stuff.
Right. That's why I prefer beer to pop these days. :)
I agree that soda is not the healthiest thing - even when I'm drinking caffeine free diet soda, I have twinges of guilt, as it's not water. But it is everything combined too. As for being disease free, I stopped being so fascinated with good diet = "disease free" when Linda McCartney died of breast cancer.
depending on cash on hand, i drink btwn 1-4 (20 oz) bottles of pop a day, usually Cherry Coke or Dr Pepper. As pretty much anyone who's met me can tell you, I am not fat. I walk the 30-45 minutes (one-way) to campus from home and back each day. Even when I took the bus to WCC, there was still the walk to and from the bus stops. . . . Giving up motorised transportation, esp. cars, will do a lot more for your weight than giving up pop will.
you know, people get sick. sometimes really healthy people get cancer. sometimes its just in the gene's. but i believe anything you can do to lesson your odds of getting a desease is worthwhile. and lets talk diabetics....you can give yourself this desease just by being overweight and eating a bunch of crap.
I hope we bring back something like item ate from the Spring Agora-- because it helped me a little to journal what I was eating. One of my doctors said exercising really was good, but managing weight would be very difficult if I didn't watch what I ate. *chuckle* Brings back memories of discussions of oatmeal and stuff. Yeah, drinking soda, I'm sure, doesn't help. But I'm sure eating out doesn't help either. Most restaurant food seems just loaded with calories-- and not all of it nutrient-rich. I'll admit it's hard sometimes because I am lazy, sometimes in a rush, and fail to plan meals. But I'm sure it will be worth it. Good food, in my experience, makes me feel better.
I don't know that my Mountain Dew habit has been the worst part of my diet, but I dislike being that dependent on caffeine and sugar in solution, so I've tried to cut back as much as possible. The caffeine total is lower than coffee, and I don't really take much sugar anywhere else in my diet, so I guess I do alright. What the sugar does to my teeth is probably my largest concern.
re resp:20: Have you ever noticed what fat people usually eat? They eat diet food! Diet Coke, Ultra Slim Fast, salads... I shudder to think what they're doing to their bodies. It hardly takes any of that type of garbage to turn almost anyone fat, as I've found to my sorrow. A salad now and then, a switch to Diet Coke, and I've gained maybe 80 pounds in the last 10 years. I've never seen a skinny person with an Ultra Slimfast in their hand. I'm trying to eat healthier. I had a bacon cheeseburger from Wendy's tonight. My company helped; they bought us all pizza for lunch today. I backslid some; I had a diet Coke with the pizza. Even with all the evidence about how bad that stuff is for you, I still lapsed and had one. I'm only human. But with the weekend upon us, hopefully I won't be around such bad influences, at least for a few days.
Re 30: Yeah, that's possible at your current age. By the time you get to 25 or 30 your metabolism will start shift from "child" to "adult" and all of a sudden you'll find yourself 20 pounds heavier.
My metabolism must have shifted in the opposite direction as I have been losing weight since about age 25, after I stopped eating dorm food, which like restaurant food is very greasy. I now weight about 25 pounds less.
Didn't they test coke/pepsi somewhere by leaving a tooth in it?? And it dissolved. And a college campus, some kid drank 11 cokes and fainted due to excess CO2 in his system?? Personally, i have chronic acidity and coke/pepsi/other carbonated drinks make it worse.
There's a carbonated drink named after me?
#35: I anticipate that happening around 30 or so for me, where my good fortune on the body type front evaporates the same way it did for the other members of my dad's family. All of them were sticks when I was young, and there is a fair amount of gut and "baggage" floating around. Nothing ridiculous, but it happened within my lifetime.
resp:34 you'll get thinner by eating soup (homemade or otherwise) than eating most salads. The dressing, I'd imagine, is the kicker. (Oil and vinegar instead?) Caesar salads seem to be the worst, and I can't imagine Cobb or some chef salads being trimming, either. ...but I have taken a liking to spinach greens with mandarin oranges topped with plain sliced almonds and raspberry vinagrette. resp:37 Those sound like urban legends.
Re 38: You don't remember the big "Coke Other" campaign 4-5 years ago? It was sort of a transparent green, and the commercials featured Carrothead. Pretty much killed his career, as I recall.
My brother eats a lot in restaurants and he does not like vegetables. He has a paunch. So weight is not just genetic. Eating soup fills up your stomach, which for some people means that they will eat less after that.
I figure weight gain or loss is all about how many calories you eat compared to how many you burn. Whenever you hear one category of food declared to be "evil" and the cause of weight gain, a few years later they're saying something else, so I tend to think it's best to avoid fad diets like Atkins. That doesn't exonerate soda, because it has a lot of calories, but it doesn't make it worse than any other high-calorie food.
Milk (unskimmed) is also high calorie and soda is much less nutritious. I think they are about the same calories per cup - 120 for milk. Meat is very high calorie.
I have read that the reason the Atkins diet works is because people who are on it eat fewer calories. And one theory about that is that fat and protein keep a person from feeling hungry longer than simple carbs. I have also heard that an Atkins like diet that allows whole grains is just as effective. Of course, I dont have any personal experience with either of those diets.
I think it would be difficult for someone who regularly consumes refined sugar not to lose weight if they cut out refined sugar completely.
Again, it depends on how much refined sugar they eat in the first place, and how much other garbage is eaten and how much exercise is done. It is the whole diet and lifestyle that need changing, not just ONE aspect. Changing the lifestyle one aspect at a time as you adjust to it is a good start.
Depends on what they're doing to supplement it.
okay. im on the diet my health club supports. its rather like stkins without throwing your body into keytosis, which we dont believe to be healthy. ive lost about 50 lbs and feel great. i am less food obsessed than i have ever been in my life. things i have learned. all the "low fat" diets really dont work so well. burning fat has alot more to do with how much insulin your body produces when you eat too much refined sugar/carbohydrates. there is a reason those people with a slim fast are fat. its because they are wrong. lynne is very right. since switching to a low carb way of eating, i notice myself rarely actually being hungry or even munching. i honestly just dont think about food. i used to obsess. constantly. my cholesterol has dropped over 100 pts to a very low number. i have much more energy. have that bacon cheeseburger. just dont eat the bun. have a nachos bellgrande with no chips. i eat lots of eggs. lots of cheese. slim jims. sugar free ice cream. weight watchers is coming out with a lower carb program. literally, just losing the diet soda and juice/sweetened beverage habit is one of the single healthiest things you can do for your body. and lose the chips and candy. when i do crave chocolate, carbolife makes a chocolate bar i like. and sometimes, i choose a weekend day to splurge and have extra carbs. and i keep losing weight. there isnt a magic pill or magic cure. watch how much freakin sugar you eat. excercise. and remember, bread = sugar once your body breaks it down.
Fat and protein are also broken down to sugar. I would be dead if I lost 50 pounds. Jim measured his cholesterol count once at under 125 so he would be dead if it went down much. Your no-starch diet may work for losing weight fast but it is likely to make you rather sick in the long run.
thats actually not what the research shows. yes, if you go into keytosis and break out the starvation hormones, its not good for you. which is why, though i think atkins discovered something major, i dont totally agree with the atkins diet. low carb is very different than no carb. think about eating raw. before food is over processed and canned and boxed and all that crap we do to it. meat. eggs. cheese. fish. whole grains. vegetables. fresh fruit. butter. as opposed to dairy queen, bread, rolls, potatoes, candy, the amazing amount of high sugar drinks we consume, more bread, macaroni and cheese, sweetened cereal. and low carb isnt designed for "speedy" weight loss. you put it on slowly, and you need to take it off slowly, if you are overweight. but there are so many other reasons to eat a low sugar healthy diet. and you mention that fats and protiens turn to sugar. yes, but they dont cause your body to over produce insulin to process the vast amount of sugar we consume on a daily basis.
It sounds like what you are doing is not low carbohydrate but avoiding refined carbohydrates such as sugar and white flour, which is an excellent idea. We eat brown rice, millet, quinoa, sometimes whole wheat macaroni, and oatmeal and sometimes barley and rye bread and wheat bread and potatoes. Jim points out that cheese has lactose, a carbohydrate (sugar). Good luck with your diet - you must be learning lots about nutrition and cooking that you can share.
When I was in fourth grade, one of my classmates put a small chunk of meat into a bottle of Coke as an experiment. Over the course of a week or so, the chunk got smaller. It occurs to me know that another process could have been involved, but it convinced us that Coke wasn't particularly 'safe'. Not that we stopped drinking it, mind you.
I think most of the ability to dissolve stuff that people associate with Coke is due to its acidity. A glass of orange juice would probably have similar effects.
As would the acids that are already in your stomach ;)
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I guess, technically, you could fit that into the Atkins diet. ;)
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Some of those appetizers look mighty tasty...
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That's pretty bizarre.
Actually, what I find most interesting about #61 is that they felt it necessary to throw the word "gay" in there. I'm not entirely sure why, unless this is just the same sort of subtle discrimination that caused the word "black" to appear in a lot of newspaper crime reports where it didn't really make a difference. (You will never see the headline, "Heterosexual white man arrested".)
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When most people say "Bite me!", they don't mean it literally.
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