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Item 62: *** AT THE MOVIES ***

Entered by mary on Sun Jul 6 22:27:33 2003:

See any movies lately?
112 responses total.

#1 of 112 by mary on Sun Jul 6 22:36:57 2003:

T3 is a hoot.  The crane-chase scene is an amazing parody
of the typical blowed-up-real-good action sequence.  And
I thought "The Hand" stuff was too cute.  Catch a matinee
and check your brain at the door.


#2 of 112 by md on Sun Jul 6 23:46:11 2003:

Many funny scenes in that movie.  The babelicious TX checking herself 
out in the mirror as she strides through the bathroom on her way to do 
battle with Arnold was my favorite.  Also, minor goosebumps when the 
prototype of the search-and-destroy robot vehicle that appears in 
the "future" scenes in T1 and T2 first rises into view at the military 
base.

We rented Adaptation (D+) and The Hours (B), neither of which we saw at 
the theater.  Adaptation was unfunny and unenlightening.  Mainly just 
retarded.  The Hours featured a smattering of literary history, which 
was fun, and a good performance by Ed Harris.  The music by Philip 
Glass was awful.


#3 of 112 by jazz on Mon Jul 7 00:02:27 2003:

        Thank god someone else found Adaption lifeless.


#4 of 112 by gregb on Mon Jul 7 00:07:52 2003:

Saw X2 yesterday.  I liked it, but there was something missing to me; 
can't put my finger on it.  The best part for me was at the beginning 
in the White House.  As for the new characters, Nightcrawler was 
alright, but he's supposed to be furry, other than that, he was the 
best of the new guys.  It was pretty obvious that there's gonna be a 
sequal.  


#5 of 112 by rdspike on Mon Jul 7 00:20:16 2003:

T3 was the best movie out there in the theaters X2 is good too but u got to
watch T3 its the $hit!!!


#6 of 112 by jazz on Mon Jul 7 00:21:03 2003:

        If you say so.  It kinda felt like a nicely produced episode of
Twilight Zone to me.


#7 of 112 by jaklumen on Mon Jul 7 00:58:23 2003:

resp:4 no, no, my good man, Beast is furry.  Nightcrawler is not furry 
at all.  They changed him a little bit with the jagged teeth and the 
glyph tattoos, but they remained moderately faithful to his appearance 
in the comic books.  As for Beast, he has a cameo as Hank McCoy-- he 
was in the scene on the television at the bar with Mystique and the 
security guard.

(I am still waiting to see if they will play out the fact that 
Mystique is Nightcrawler's mother in the comic books.)


#8 of 112 by jep on Mon Jul 7 03:04:54 2003:

My 7 year old and I went to see "Sinbad: Legend of the Seven Seas" on 
Friday, the day it opened.  There was only one other group in the 
theater; a man and two girls about John's age.

This is a plain old formula adventure cartoon.  It has a guy named 
Sinbad, who is not like the literary version.  Some critics have 
objected to this, but I say, so what?  My kid hasn't read Sinbad.  
Come to think of it, neither have I.

I liked this movie.  I liked it better than "Finding Nemo", and I 
already like it better than the upcoming Rug Rats movie.  All three 
cartoons, you see, are set in or on the ocean.

There is a little bit of violence in this movie, but I didn't judge it 
to be an objectionable amount.  There are some scary scenes.  It's 
scarier than "Finding Nemo".

It's not as pretty as "Finding Nemo".  The characters and scenes look 
sharply unrealistic compared to what Pixar produces.

This movie is a giant flop nationally.  On it's opening weekend, it 
took in just a few million dollars.  It sold less than "Finding Nemo" 
did this weekend.

Nuts to that.  I liked it.


#9 of 112 by pvn on Mon Jul 7 07:35:19 2003:

You may have something there.  Why did it flop?  Was it up against too
much?  Or was it 'sinful' and 'bad'?  Did parents drag their kids to see
something they wanted instead of apparently a very nice kids movie?


#10 of 112 by remmers on Mon Jul 7 19:07:43 2003:

Speaking of Sinbad, over the holiday weekend Turner Classic Movies
did a festival of the Sinbad "Dynamation" movies from the 1950s
through the 1970s, with special effects by Ray Harryhausen
(Cyclops monsters, battling skeletons, the Medusa, etc.).
Kitch maybe, but great fun.


#11 of 112 by tod on Mon Jul 7 19:30:30 2003:

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#12 of 112 by gregb on Mon Jul 7 20:09:38 2003:

Re. #7:  I can't speak for the comics, but according to both X-Men 
cartoons, Kurt's referred to himself as "fuzzy" on several occations.


#13 of 112 by katie on Fri Jul 11 20:40:15 2003:

I saw "Whale Rider" this week. Best movie I've seen in years. Will see it
again. Anyone want to join me?


#14 of 112 by flem on Fri Jul 11 20:51:05 2003:

I watched "Disco Pigs" a few days ago.  Very sad story about love and growing
up and so forth.  Set in Ireland, with a dialect and accent that took a lot
of concentration for me to make words out of.  I thought that the presentation
was very effective, almost minimalist in a lot of ways (e.g. there are long
periods of almost total silence, with no soundtrack).  Good acting.  

Good movie, but have a hankie or two handy.  


#15 of 112 by dcat on Fri Jul 11 23:42:36 2003:

resp:13 is that still at the michigan?


#16 of 112 by cmcgee on Sat Jul 12 03:32:51 2003:

For a real hoot (ananny) don't miss "A Mighty Wind" now at Gladstone.  Some
of the lines are priceless even if the audience didn't laugh.  However sounds
of outright laughter were heard throughout the movie.  


#17 of 112 by russ on Sat Jul 12 06:26:58 2003:

I'll go with ya, Katie.


#18 of 112 by jmsaul on Sat Jul 12 06:36:23 2003:

I liked "On Guard," which was a swashbuckling movie at the Michigan.


#19 of 112 by krj on Sat Jul 12 07:05:17 2003:

"On Guard" is the first of a four-week series of contemporary French
movies being presented by the Michigan. 
 
The USA title of the movie seems to have been chosen just because
there are lots of swordfights; the French title was "Le Bossu," 
The Hunchback.  The star was Daniel Auteuil, who I last saw 
as an office worker pretending to be gay in "The Closet."
 
In this movie, Auteuil is a poor guy in the 1700s in France who 
has aspirations to become a great swordsman.  He's befriended by a duke 
and hired as a bodyguard, so he's around when the Duke is killed as
part of a plot to steal his fortune.  Auteil saves the Duke's infant
daughter who is also a target of the baddies and raises her himself, and 
16 years later the story starts moving towards retribution and revenge.
It was old fashioned fun, with a really likable and well played hero.   
Based on an 1857 novel, roughly contemporary with the novel "The Three 
Musketeers."  

My favorite French actor Philippe Noiret has a small 
role as the senior French nobleman of the family who goes on to become
the regent in charge of the kingdom.   (I looted imdb.com extensively
for details here...)   Director was Philippe de Broca, who made two 
wonderful comedic police thrillers, DEAR DETECTIVE and JUPITER'S THIGH,
both starring Noiret.

Not available on home video, it seems.

Speaking of sword fighting: the Michigan's summer classic film series 
offers THE SEVEN SAMURAI on Sunday and Tuesday.  One of the greatest 
action-adventure films; the Michigan promo blurb credits it with 
inventing the modern action movie, IIRC.  Directed by Akira Kurosawa,
black and white, 1954.  This is one of the Movie Classics that 
Everyone Should See; Hollywood remade it as THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN. 
 
And then, back in the French series: in two weeks the movie will be 
GOD IS GREAT, BUT I'M NOT starring Audrey Tatou, who played the lead 
in the very successful movie AMELIE.



#20 of 112 by mooncat on Tue Jul 15 01:42:01 2003:

Hmm, may have to check out that 'God is Great, But I'm Not'


#21 of 112 by remmers on Tue Jul 15 02:01:57 2003:

Missed "Spirited Away" in the theater but watched it on DVD
last night.  Quite blew me away.  An animation masterpiece.


#22 of 112 by pvn on Tue Jul 15 07:27:10 2003:

Saving money is good.


#23 of 112 by janc on Tue Jul 15 14:14:36 2003:

Re #21: I only recently discovered Miyazaki's movies.  The four I've seen so
far were all good:  Spirited Away, My Neighbor Totoro, Kiki's Delivery Service
and Castle in the Sky.

"My Neighbor Totoro" has a totally off-putting CD box.  Looks like it's going
to be a really cheesily animated stupid kiddy film.  But from the first frame
of the actual movie you know you are in for something quite different.  The
animation is mostly gorgeous.  (Some of Miyazaki's kids have oversized mouths
of a style that always reminds me of "Speed Racer".  Maybe it's a Japanese
style thing, but it always puts me off.)  Story is about two little girls
and their dad who move into a rundown old house to be near the hospital where
their mom is recovering from some illness.  The kids eventually start trading
favors with a forest spirit.  The relationships among the characters are
uniformally realistic and charming.  The supernatural elements are inventive
and just plain cool.  There are no villians.  In fact, everyone is stunningly
nice.  And yet the film has plenty of dramatic tension.  I suspect this was
the breakthrough film for Miyazaki - the Totoro character from it is used
as the logo for his studio.  Many elements from it reappear in "Spirited
Away" - it's in some ways a first glimpse of the same spirit world.

"Kiki's Delivery Service" is almost not a fantasy at all.  There is only one
fantasy element - the heroine is a witch who's only magical ability is to
fly on a broomstick.  She is 13 years old and off on her own for a year to
try to learn the witch business.  She settles in a town where the people
are mostly rather bored by the idea of a witch in their midst.  Since her
only trick is flying her broomstick (which she isn't particularly good at),
she starts a flying delivery service.  It's a story about loneliness, and
finding your own way in the world.  Again, no villians, no scares.  I
thought the ending was flawed - a big action sequence which gives Kiki a
bit too easy an out for resolving her doubts.  Arlo loves this one.

Castle in the Sky was the weakest of the ones I've seen.  It's cool.  The
Disney version has the oddity of Mark Hammill (aka Luke Skywalker) voicing
the villian's part.  This one is full of gun fights and explosions and
killer robots and all that old stuff.  It has a fun pirate queen and a
visually interesting world, but basically it's a pretty standard adventure
flick,  Ok, but not as good as the others.


#24 of 112 by jaklumen on Wed Jul 16 01:20:16 2003:

resp:21 isn't it lovely?

resp:23 Roger Ebert positively raved about "My Neighbor Totoro." I 
haven't seen it yet.


#25 of 112 by russ on Wed Jul 16 01:41:50 2003:

Re Mark Hammill:  I'm told he also voiced The Joker for the animated
Batman.  Apparently he thinks the work is a huge amount of fun.


#26 of 112 by anderyn on Wed Jul 16 01:52:11 2003:

Pirates of the Caribbean got four thumbs up from the Prices. I want to see
it again, and I would even pay full price. (I only ever go to matinees and
I never see movies twice, because they never seem worth it. Pirates is worth
it.) It's fun, it's got swashbuckling, and well... I am a sucker for a good
pirate movie (Captain Blood and the other Sabatini books are still re-reads
because they're so fun). Johnny Depp's performance only adds to the fun,
although I never would have thought I'd like such an ambigous character. (I
still like Orlando Bloom's "stodgier" turn as a straight romantic hero, and
I'm glad they included both in the movie.)


#27 of 112 by jep on Wed Jul 16 02:24:56 2003:

My son and I watched a couple of older movies recently.  The first was 
Mulan.

Mulan is a Disney movie set in medieval China.  I'd never seen it 
before, and was quite surprised.  I liked it.

I liked Mulan, who goes to war in place of her aged father, disquising 
herself as a man and then encountering reasonable difficulties.  I 
liked the way she was clearly a woman, having realistic enough 
problems fitting into a strictly man's army and overcoming them in a 
clever enough way.  

I enjoyed the humor of the situation, and of the movie; the rough 
humor of the songs the soldiers sing and things they do, the obvious 
humor of the captain training his troops (including Mulan) and 
declaring in a song, "I'll make a man out of you", and I liked the 
bath scene, which was well targeted at adults while not much raising 
the notice of a young child.

I liked the basic training section quite a lot.  I liked the setting.  
I don't know anything about China, and don't imagine this was in any 
way accurate, but it was appealing enough.

I often don't like movies (or books) the first time.  I liked this one 
just fine.


#28 of 112 by jep on Wed Jul 16 02:39:52 2003:

Tonight, we watched The Yearling, which I had to buy from amazon.com.  
No one around Tecumseh has it for rent.  This was the original; I 
could have rented the remake but refused to do so.

My father cautioned me that it might be emotionally tough for my 7 
year old.  Hah!  My father could have warned me it'd be hard for 
*me*.  John was fine.  I'm the emotional one when it comes to movies, 
and this one had me streaming tears.  (John didn't notice.  I had to 
*tell* him.)

This is a wonderful classic, in my opinion.  (I feel the same way 
about The Sound of Music, Fiddler on the Roof, Old Yeller, and half of 
John Wayne's westerns.  So sneer at me.)  I saw it when I was around 
my son's age, then never again until now.  I didn't remember it scene 
by scene, of course, but I did remember more or less what was coming 
next.

I like this one because it's a good dad-and-son movie.  I think my son 
liked it because of the scenery, and will remember it (at least until 
we watch it again) as a fun movie because a kid has a pet deer.  That 
works for me.


#29 of 112 by pvn on Wed Jul 16 07:47:10 2003:

re#27: oddly enough _Mulan_ probably was in keeping with the chinese
oral traditional history more in the observation than not.  I know many
chinese families that enjoyed it.  The irony in _Mulan_ is that the "bad
guys" in the movie in fact ruled china from about the middle 1600s to
modern times - it is even politically correct in the current PRC (not
that I suggest there will be another - a politically correct statement).
Contrast _Mulan_ with another animated feature, _Pocahontas_ et al where
the events portrayed had little or nothing to do with actual history
other than perhaps some names.  


#30 of 112 by sj2 on Wed Jul 16 08:05:09 2003:

I see lots of movies. Sometimes two a day. Mostly get older movies on 
tape from the video library here (in Muscat, Oman). Saw "Shipping 
News" yesterday. Weird but nice movie.


#31 of 112 by jmsaul on Wed Jul 16 11:43:22 2003:

Re #29:  There's a fast-food Chinese restaurant at Briarwood that used to
         be part of a chain called Manchu Wok.  When the guy broke off from
         it, he renamed the place Ming Wok.  Victorious at last!


#32 of 112 by jep on Thu Jul 17 03:27:49 2003:

It was largely "Pocahantas" which caused me to believe the background 
of "Mulan" was probably wildly inaccurate.  Brian, does "Mulan" mean 
something in Chinese?


#33 of 112 by pvn on Thu Jul 17 05:05:38 2003:

Hua mu-lan doesn't particularly mean anything I think.  Often as not
chinese will name a child with something that does have lucky ot good
meaning.  I know a guy named "good fortune" and a girl named "fertile
field".  I know one guy - son of a 1949 ex-pat who's name is "supple
willow victorious".

It may seem strange to westerners at first who don't realize how many of
their own names have similar derivations although long since forgotten.
Emanuel for example.  Or Elizabeth.


#34 of 112 by scott on Thu Jul 17 10:10:05 2003:

One of my former co-workers is Chinese, and she just finds it easier (and more
accurate) to have everybody call her "Rainbow" instead of trying to pronounce
the Chinese.

Occasionally confuses people who were expecting some hippie girl, though.


#35 of 112 by mynxcat on Thu Jul 17 17:17:35 2003:

Same goes for Indian names, a lot of them are derived from words that 
meant something like "peace" or "humility", and others are still used 
in everyday language, like mine


#36 of 112 by gregb on Thu Jul 17 17:30:59 2003:

I know someone named Asma.  Any idea what that means?


#37 of 112 by mynxcat on Thu Jul 17 19:51:22 2003:

I'm guessing a derivative of the word that means "sky". I could be way 
off on this one.


#38 of 112 by tod on Thu Jul 17 19:54:53 2003:

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#39 of 112 by dcat on Fri Jul 18 00:14:05 2003:

this weeks Saturday midnight movie at the State is Edward Scissorhands.  Come
celebrate surviving another round of Art Fairs!


#40 of 112 by jaklumen on Fri Jul 18 04:21:09 2003:

We are very aware of the meanings of our names at our 
house.  "Pratt,"  I believe, refers to those of the field.  Our 
daughter is "Sarah Lynn," loosely translated to "Princess of the 
Waterfalls."  You already know the meaning of my name-- "Yahweh 
gives."  My middle name, Roger, is "bearer of the spear" and is my 
father's name.

Maybe a little unusual for a westerner, but I hold significance in the 
meaning of names.


#41 of 112 by rcurl on Fri Jul 18 05:29:53 2003:

It is of some cultural interest that names "mean" something, but of what
significance is it? Surely you are not a bearer of spears (most of the time?).


#42 of 112 by mynxcat on Fri Jul 18 14:18:40 2003:

Maybe "spear" symbolises something?

"Princess of the waterfalls" - that is pretty. I always liked the name 
Sarah (not when people pronounce it saa-raa, though), and I thought it 
even prettier when I found out it meant "Princess"


#43 of 112 by jaklumen on Sat Jul 19 03:20:49 2003:

I am not sure that "bearer of the spear" itself holds deep meaning in 
modern times-- I am sure, however, that it comes from the British 
Isles.  More importantly, it is the name of my father.  "Jonathan," 
however, is very important for many personal reasons.


#44 of 112 by mooncat on Sat Jul 19 17:30:30 2003:

I'm another of those odd people that likes to know what names mean (it 
comes into play when writing as well, I like to know what the names of 
my characters mean). My full name, for example, basically means 
something along the lines of 'Graceful Warrior Women, from a Pear 
Tree.' Of course, this changes based on where exactly you look up the 
meanings for names. Anne and Ann don't always mean the same thing, the 
derivations vary.


#45 of 112 by gregb on Mon Jul 21 15:43:28 2003:

Re. #38:  Nope.  Someone at my workplace.


#46 of 112 by edina on Mon Jul 21 16:10:17 2003:

I am "She who dwells by the brook".  But I'm named for Brooks Robinson. (Dad's
a huge baseball fan.)

I saw "The Guru" last night.  Fun fun movie.  I really need to pick up some
bhangra music.


#47 of 112 by mynxcat on Mon Jul 21 18:58:57 2003:

The music in that movie was mostly Bollywood. But bhangra is fun 
music. A must have.


#48 of 112 by krj on Mon Jul 21 21:27:09 2003:

((Mynxcat, I need you to write an intro to Bhangra sometime in the 
  music conference.))
 
resp:27 and others :: International Channel showed a film of a Chinese
opera version of MULAN this spring, or thereabouts.  I have not seen the 
Disney version, but the Chinese film version was very enjoyable.  
Unfortunately the beginning of the movie got recycled, grrr.  Doesn't
seem to be available on home video.  However, trolling on IMDB, I find 
a listing for what appears to be a new version of MULAN scheduled for 
2004 release, with Michelle Yeoh and Chow Yun Fat.  This could 
be only "in development" and might never actually be filmed.


#49 of 112 by richard on Mon Jul 21 23:38:31 2003:

"ALL THAT JAZZ"-- watched this on video yesterday, it had been a few 
years since I'd seen it previously.  This is the semi-autobiographical 
film from famed broadway director/choreographer Bob Fosse (creator 
of "Chicago" and numerous other musicals).  The movie is Fosse's 
fantasy of his own death.

The Fosse character, called Joe Gideon in the movie and played by Roy 
Scheider, is a workaholic broadway choreographer and film director who 
is a hard drinking, chain smoking, womanizer.  He is completely cynical 
and self absorbed and has never taken the time to really understand the 
women in his life, his ex-wife, his young daughter, his girlfriend.  
The movie shows him stressing out over his broadway play about to open, 
and a movie he's editing about a stand up comic (patterned on Lenny 
Bruce) who does a routine about the five stages of death (anger, 
denial, bargaining, depression and acceptance)

The movie intercuts Scheider's character going through these very 
stages, without knowing it, with the three women in his life, and 
alternate dream sequences where he's seen talking to the other woman in 
his life, the one that he's always known he'll end up with.  She being 
the beautiful Angel of Death, Jessica Lange.  As the movie goes along, 
we see Death (Lange) getting ready for him, taking off her veil, 
waiting for his arrival. 

This movie has some awesome musical sequences (Fosse's speciality after 
all)  Scheider's character has a heart attack shortly before the 
opening of his play and is subsequently seen in his hospital bed, 
hooked up to IV bottles and having open heart surgery.  And then you 
see him in his hospital bed, on a stage, watching a musical number done 
by the wife, girlfriend, and daughter.  

Finally, you see where Scheider's character gets to the last stage of 
death, acceptance, and stars in his own musical number, with all the 
people important in his life in the audience.  He and emcee Ben Vereen 
sing "Bye Bye Life, Bye Bye Happiness, I think I'm gonna die"  And you 
see the audience of his loved ones applauding, and he goes into the 
audience and hugs each of them goodbye, and you see him finally leaving 
the stage and going towards the Angel of Death, who has by now taken 
off her veil and is smiling and awaiting his embrace.

This is an amazing film.  Roy Scheider, who looks just like Bob Fosse, 
is great in this.  Fosse actually did die, eerily, sevearl years later, 
right before the opening of a big broadway play (his revial of "Sweet 
Charity") of a heart attack, just like the character in the movie.  He 
imagined his own death just right it seems.  All That Jazz is a GREAT 
movie IMO, I recommend it to anyone who has recently dealt with death.


#50 of 112 by mary on Tue Jul 22 01:35:56 2003:

A few months ago the U of M Art Museum held an exhibit 
on the work of Andy Goldsworthy.  It's hard to describe 
his art without making it sound contrived or trite but
he uses nature to make artistic statements.  Truly amazing
stuff.

Tonight I saw the film which highlights the artist and 
his work - "Rivers and Tides: Andy Goldworthy Working
with Time".  Wow.  It's at the Michigan.  


#51 of 112 by gelinas on Tue Jul 22 01:59:53 2003:

I should see that movie again, Richard.  Thanks for the reminder.

We saw "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" this afternoon.  Fun,
fast-moving, intriguing movie.  They took some liberties with characters and
stories, but still did a good job.  I'll have to re-read some of the books.
Pure fantasy, of course.  


#52 of 112 by aruba on Wed Jul 23 01:50:12 2003:

Carol and I enjoyed the Andy Goldsworthy exhibit at the museaum too.  Hope
we can make it to the movie this week.


#53 of 112 by pvn on Wed Jul 23 07:00:43 2003:

Went to one of the apparently pre-grand opening openings at the new
Border's Bookstore in chicagoland.  Down in the 'hood.  Built on a
parking lot and supposed to provide parking as part of the building
-they didn't but hey...overheard one discussion from a manager and
patron where bike parking was going to be provided, out back, taking
space in the parking lot...wonder how that works.  They are open 'till
11pm - wonder how long that will last.  Two of four stalls in the men's
room were already broke ("Out of order").  Right across the street from
the rail station, the news shack, the video store, and down the block
from the open late liquor store.  Like a delicate orchid transplanted
into a peat bog it was a nice "Ann Arbor moment" but I wonder what it
will become after it closes (pretty cheap construction I also noted as
it went up).  Anyways, bought a re-release of _Yojimbo_ on DVD for about
a third of the cost when I bought the VHS casette years ago as a x-mas
gift for my father.and almost bought a CD of _ELP's Greatest Hits_ from
the bargain bin except it rung up over twice the bargain price of the
impulse buy when it got to the register.  I said "thanks, good try" when
they offered to correct it.  Why I would pay 10 bucks for a CD of stuff
that I already own and could burn my own CD of my specific favorite cuts
if I would get off my ass and hook the damn phonograph up to the
computer...

Anyways, enjoyed _Yojimbo_ on DVD.  Apparently a new re-mastering from
original archive film it was well worth the price.  For those of you not
familiar it is the seminal work that directly resulted in two subsequent
hollywood fliks and was the inspiration of many more.  It features the
direction of one of the truely great dead directors and was the real
debute of another really great actor.  Toshiro, meet Bruce.


#54 of 112 by gull on Wed Jul 23 14:37:47 2003:

Re #50: I saw a trailer for that when I went to see _Winged Migration_
(which was incredible, BTW.)  It looked pretty fascinating.

Re #51: I refuse to go to any movie that insults my intelligence by
setting a car chase in Venice.


#55 of 112 by gregb on Wed Jul 23 14:39:22 2003:

Re. #53: You won't get near the audio quality from an LP that you would 
from a CD.


#56 of 112 by rcurl on Wed Jul 23 16:13:40 2003:

Re #53: peat bogs are a native habitat for many species of orchids.


#57 of 112 by tod on Wed Jul 23 17:13:36 2003:

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#58 of 112 by mary on Wed Jul 23 20:44:34 2003:

"Capturing the Friedmans" isn't a film for everyone.  It's about
a family with a normal facade suddenly the center of a child
sexual abuse scandal.

This incredible documentary takes us along through discovery, the
investigation, the pleas, the verdicts and the aftermath.  You watch a
family blowup.  And go on.  It's a powerful film with no answers just
some difficult questions.

Highly recommended.


#59 of 112 by tod on Wed Jul 23 20:45:40 2003:

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#60 of 112 by gelinas on Thu Jul 24 03:56:05 2003:

Re #54: then you won't want to think about how the car got to Venice in
the first place. ;)


#61 of 112 by mooncat on Thu Jul 24 18:22:07 2003:

Saw "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" with the beau yesterday. 
Not a great movie, but it was a lot of fun. Some of the lines just 
amused the hell out of me. One of my favorite characters was the 
Jeckyl/Hyde combo performed by Jason Flemmyng (I think that's how it's 
spelled) I liked him in Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels, and his 
bit part in Mean Machine, so my liking him here wasn't a surprise.

some of the characters seemed a little flat- like Shane West's 
character. However, the fight scenes were fun to watch. Captain Nemo 
and Dorian Grey especially. :)


#62 of 112 by edina on Thu Jul 24 19:37:57 2003:

Jason Flemying is YUMMY!


#63 of 112 by edina on Fri Jul 25 17:43:15 2003:

I saw LXG last night, and I'm with Anne.  Shane West seemed ill-equipped to
go up against the others.  Too young, to inexperienced . . .

LOVED Stuart Townsend though . . . yummy!  And the scene with Peta Wilson and
him battling was sexy as hell.  Jason Flemyng was great.  I loved his effects
for Hyde - it's what they should have been going for with "The Hulk".


#64 of 112 by slynne on Sat Jul 26 12:49:58 2003:

I saw Pirates of the Caribbean last night. It was a lot better than I 
thought it would be. Johnny Depp did a great job. Even Aaron, who isnt 
a Johnny Depp fan by any means, thought so.


#65 of 112 by giry on Sun Jul 27 18:22:21 2003:

Agora 62 <-> Cinema 57


#66 of 112 by albaugh on Thu Jul 31 16:57:25 2003:

"The Natural" was on Bravo last night.  That reminded me to ask this question
(I never read the book):  At the party at Memo's, after Gus was unable to
bribe Roy to help throw the last 3 games of the regular season, Memo at one
point put something in Roy's mouth to eat ("Try this.").  Later, Roy has to
leave the party in pain with some kind of stomach ailment, gets admitted to
the hospital.  Did Memo in fact poison Roy?


#67 of 112 by mooncat on Fri Aug 1 18:20:13 2003:

re #62 and 63- isn't he though? He's right up there with Jason 
Statham. :)

It's pretty much been proposed that Shane West's character was only 
there to serve as sort of a living reminder of Quartermaine's dead son. 

And yeah, the Mina and Dorian scenes were oh so much fun. :) Dorian 
just oozed attitude and arrogance- such fun!

Haven't seen The Hulk, but I'll take your word on that, Brooke. We seem 
to have so many similar movie tastes anyhow. ;)


#68 of 112 by pvn on Sat Aug 9 08:16:55 2003:

Seen _Catch me if you can_ tonight on DVD.  Funny flick with a nice
ending.  It would have been a lot better if the titanic dude wasn't cast
opposite Hanks but, details.  IT was part of a haul of DVD rentals that
were purchased from a major chain for 10$US each.  Gonna rip the DVD and
post the ISO VCD images on the SHazBat p2p network so my posse can enjoy
it if they want to.  Fuck the RIAA et al, it it were so good in the
first place folk would have paid to see it live or in the theater in the
first place.  The fact that it is "rented out" along with the other
"direct to video" stinkers means that hundreds of people "share" the DVD
one person at a time and each one could have duped it.  And finally the
original owner sold the DVD to me for a flat fee - probably because
nobody wanted to borrow it anymore - for anywhere from half to one tenth
the "retail cost" on which the Industry bases its claim for "damages".
Its a dollar they never would have collected in the first place so its
hard to figure how they are damaged.

"SHazBat p2p network" operates out of Nauru Island and offers byte for
byte downloads of stuff.  You upload stuff and you get credit for the
same number of bytes of stuff downloaded.


#69 of 112 by dcat on Sat Aug 9 16:24:08 2003:

Actually, I enjoyed diCaprio; I thought it made a nice proof he was actually
capable of acting, but I hadn't seen any of his pre-Titanic work, either.


#70 of 112 by remmers on Sat Aug 9 20:12:25 2003:

DiCaprio was excellent in "What's Eating Gilbert Grape" and Woody Allen's
"Celebrity".  I thought he was okay in "Catch Me If You Can" too.

Although I enjoyed "Catch Me If You Can", I thought the ending was typical
Spielberg sentimental hokiness.


#71 of 112 by mary on Sat Aug 9 21:47:37 2003:

"The Swimming Pool" might be worth seeing just for the French country home
and surroundings.  But the ending was not at all worth the slow ramp-up. 
Bleh. 

"Adaptation" played with the same concept and pulled it off way
better.  


#72 of 112 by dcat on Sat Aug 9 22:16:09 2003:

The Michigan Theatre will be showing Easy Rider this Sunday at 4pm and Tuesday
at 7pm.  As I work Sunday, I am planning to go Tuesday.  Anyone like to join
me?


#73 of 112 by lynne on Mon Aug 11 18:16:11 2003:

Saw American Wedding last night--pretty much exactly what you'd expect.
Laughed my ass off, and spent about the same amount of time hiding my face
because I couldn't bear to watch.


#74 of 112 by dcat on Mon Aug 11 19:29:32 2003:

Unfortunately, I won't be attending Easy Rider after all; dinner arrangements
with my parents.


#75 of 112 by gregb on Wed Aug 13 16:37:16 2003:

Caught Hulk at the dollar theater last Sat.  Not much plot to speak 
of.  Just Hulkster bouncing 'round the country with the military in 
persuit.  Eye candy, nothing more.


#76 of 112 by mary on Wed Aug 13 18:41:18 2003:

"Northfork" is a sparse film where the landscape is the lead
character.  Odd, in a fascinating way.  A valley is about to
die and be reborn and this process is mirrored in a few of
the last to leave inhabitants.  I can't say enough about the
cinematography.  It's stunning.

Showing at the Michigan.  This is most certainly one you'll
want to catch on the big screen if possible.


#77 of 112 by mynxcat on Thu Aug 14 16:27:21 2003:

Watched "Emma" on video. Quite enjoyble. Though they did rush Emma's 
feelings for Knightley toward the end.


#78 of 112 by remmers on Thu Aug 14 17:23:11 2003:

Have you seen "Clueless", the updated version of "Emma"?  Highly
recommended.


#79 of 112 by mynxcat on Thu Aug 14 17:31:38 2003:

Yup, I've watched that. I'd read the book earlier, but somehow hadn't 
made the connection. It's only when I watched the movie "Emma" that 
the parallels became much clearer.


#80 of 112 by scott on Mon Aug 18 02:57:58 2003:

"The Third Man", from the library's small-but-growing DVD collection.  Pretty
cool, although not the most interesting movie from that era I've seen.  Mostly
I wanted to be able to comment intelligently on the "Pinky & the Brain"
episode which spoofed this movie.  :)


#81 of 112 by krj on Mon Aug 18 17:50:48 2003:

Leslie and I did a double-feature Saturday, so we could stay cool while
helping DTE out by not running our air conditioning.  WHALE RIDER was
possibly even better the second time I saw it; certainly the picture and
sound were better at the Q16.    A MIGHTY WIND was funny, not as 
funny as SPINAL TAP, and very much focused on The Great Folk Scare of 
40 years ago.


#82 of 112 by scott on Tue Aug 19 15:23:37 2003:

THe Time Machine (2002):
Better than I thought it would, and at 93 minutes it was easily watchable.
I'm certainly glad they didn't try to stretch it out to 2 hours, though.

The storyline changes were actually OK, too.  Some things were hokey, others
cool - I especially liked the library computer character.  The fake tribal
pop music during the Eloi scenes just about gagged me.


#83 of 112 by anderyn on Tue Aug 19 17:02:13 2003:

We went to see the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen at the cheap theater
yesterday. It was pretty good, given that the critics had trashed it nearly
as badly as Gigli, and I was surprised that I had a good time. The storyline
was more coherent than I'd expected, and the characterizations were fun, wiht
lots of one-liners and interesting/unexpected interactions that got missed
in the reviews I'd seen (at rottentomatoes.com, I think I saw a hundred, and
maybe 20 gave it grudgingly good marks).  I would give it a six, I think. 


#84 of 112 by jaklumen on Wed Aug 20 07:00:23 2003:

Six out of what?


#85 of 112 by anderyn on Wed Aug 20 12:37:26 2003:

Out of ten.


#86 of 112 by pvn on Thu Aug 21 05:03:14 2003:

Ten what?


#87 of 112 by richard on Sat Aug 23 04:46:20 2003:

SEABISCUIT-- saw this tonight and was pretty disappointed.  The acting 
is wonderful and the cinematography on the horse racing scenes is 
awesome, but the screenplay left out a lot of what happened and took 
the edge off the three main characters and "disneyfied" them (made them 
more wholesome than they really were)  This is a case where you are 
better off reading the book than seeing the movie.  In the book, a 
great book "Seabiscuit: An American Legend" by Laura Hillenbrand, you 
see that the three main characters-- Seabiscuit's owner, trainer and 
jockey, are dark lonely figures, corrupted by life, who are each in 
their own way redeemed for their past failures in their lives by the 
success of the underdog horse they come to love.  

The movie makes the three characters all wholesome and sweet.  You see 
Seabiscuit's owner, Jeff Bridges, meeting and romancing his new young 
Mexican wife.  You aren't told that the woman is his grown son's sister 
in law.  In fact you don't even see the grown son, because the film's 
screenwriter I guess wants you to think the jockey, is the surrogate 
son.  They cleaned up the character.  And the jockey is played as young 
and wide-eyed innocent by Tobey McGuire, and yet if you read the book 
you read that the jockey was a hard edged man beaten down by life who 
looked older, a hard drinker and womanizer who looked older than fifty 
when he was thirty.  Again they cleaned up the character.

There's a key scene in the movie where the trainer, well played by 
Chris Cooper, tells the owner (Jeff Bridges) that Seabiscuit lost a big 
race because it turns out the jockey was blind in one eye and never 
told them.  And Jeff Bridges, all big hearted and sweet, says he 
doesn't care and people need to be able to overcome their handicaps, or 
something like that.  Didn't happen.  If you read the book, it clearly 
says that Seabiscuit's jockey kept the fact of his being blind in one 
eye a secret all his life, because it would have ended his career.   
Horse racing is a business and Seabiscuit's owner would have fired the 
jockey on the spot if he'd found out he was blind in one eye. 

But this is the Disneyfied version of the Seabiscuit tale, where the 
characters are wholesome and nobody keeps secrets and everybody's 
reedemable and there are no skeletons in anybody's closets.  The story 
of Seabiscuit is amazing, its a lot more real and moving than what they 
show in the movie.   Save the money on "Seabiscuit" the movie, and use 
it to buy Laura Hillenbrand's book that its based on instead.


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#89 of 112 by rcurl on Mon Aug 25 18:03:05 2003:

OPEN RANGE - I don't think I've intentionally gone to see an oater in
a theatre in years, usually getting my fill from the box. But I will
say the lack of ad interruptions, and the vastness of the scenic panoramas,
do add to the theatre experience. Otherwise, this is a pretty standard
one of its genre, with the twist that the usual good guys are the bad guys
and vica versa. While overall I enjoyed it for what it was, I did get
the feeling that they filmed several endings and then used bits of all of
them. The female lead was also kind of wooden, but the villains were
adequately snarly and villainous. The moral I got from the tale was, always
befriend the man with the dog.


#90 of 112 by tod on Mon Aug 25 18:27:40 2003:

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#91 of 112 by rcurl on Mon Aug 25 20:08:07 2003:

Something like that would fit Costner's role. 


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#93 of 112 by mcnally on Mon Aug 25 20:46:37 2003:

  Make it a double-feature with a film where Arlond Schwarzenegger, 
  Jean-Claude Van Damme, and Stephen Seagal struggle to get in touch 
  with theirinner feelings and you'll have a truly dreadful evening..


#94 of 112 by scott on Tue Aug 26 01:45:45 2003:

Perhaps a movie where Lee Marvin kills them all?


#95 of 112 by pvn on Tue Aug 26 06:07:26 2003:

Is he still alive?


#96 of 112 by scott on Tue Aug 26 12:34:23 2003:

(blustering) Well, Lee's a pretty tough guy...


#97 of 112 by remmers on Tue Aug 26 12:44:06 2003:

Lee Marvin:  1924-1987


#98 of 112 by katie on Tue Aug 26 18:42:04 2003:

I thoroughly enjoyed "Pirates of the Caribbean." And I understood the
dialogue and the plot better the second time around.

My friend and I were the only people left in the theatre when the
(lengthy) credits finished and the movie continued on for a minute
or so.


#99 of 112 by mary on Tue Aug 26 21:57:01 2003:

I like when that happens.


#100 of 112 by rcurl on Tue Aug 26 23:00:35 2003:

I meant to mention in #88, re OPEN RANGE, that there were only five (5)
at the 9:45 p.m. showing last Saturday at Madstone. An attendant said it was
because everyone was in SEABISCUIT. I still thought it was pretty strange.


#101 of 112 by jaklumen on Wed Aug 27 04:50:06 2003:

resp:99 Me, too.  I feel rewarded for my quirk.


#102 of 112 by edina on Tue Sep 9 18:02:08 2003:

I saw "Finding Nemo" last week.  I really liked it.  Ellen DeGeneres is
hysterical.

I've also watched more rented movies than I can begin to list.  Here's ones
that stick out:

"Bowling for Columbine" - Kind of all over the place, but I loved it.

"Solaris" - The only thing remarkable about this movie was Clooney's ass. 
And I assure you, for $4, there wasn't enough of it.

"Big Eden" - Great movie about relationships.


#103 of 112 by mynxcat on Tue Sep 9 19:24:49 2003:

regarding Solaris, I paid full price to see it at the theater when it came
out. I left soon after the ass sighting, and tried to console myself on money
wasted.


#104 of 112 by remmers on Tue Sep 9 22:50:28 2003:

Being who I am, I didn't even find *that* aspect of "Solaris"
worthwhile.  The movie was a major disappointment from a director
I normally like.


#105 of 112 by scott on Tue Sep 9 23:06:09 2003:

I didn't even bother to see that version - the Russian version would be pretty
hard to top.


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#107 of 112 by richard on Fri Sep 12 02:12:27 2003:

I got the new deluxe DVD last week of Sergio Leone's classic, "Once 
Upon A Time in America"  The best thing about the DVD, although it has 
plenty of extras, is that it has Leone's original European cut of the 
movie, which is nearly four hours long.  This is the cut that never 
showed in the U.S. The U.S. distributors thought it was too long, they 
fired Leone, and hired an outside editor to slash the movie to under 2 
1/2 hours.  In the process, the studio's editor re-arranged all the 
scenes in chronological order and removed the script's "flashback" 
basis.  This basically ruined the movie.  The uncut version would have 
won the Academy Award that year, but the cut up version screwed up the 
order of the scenes, took out key scenes, and left the whole thing a 
mess.  Leone refused to have anything to do with the version that 
played in the U.S. (this is all detailed in a terrific docuemntary on 
the second disc)  Leone was able to re-edit and release a longer 
version, over three hours, where he restored his intended sequencing.  
But even then he wasn't allowed to simply release the entire movie in 
the U.S. The European version, Leone's original version-- nearly fours--
with all scenes restored, was never released theatrically in the U.S.  
That is the version on this DVD.

The flashback sequencing is crucial to this story.  Robert DeNiro is a
jewish gangster, who is now much older and is reliving his past, and
coming to terms with his past, and the loss of his friendship with  his
est friend, played by James Woods.  It really is a great movie, one of 
the best of its genre ever in fact.  Well worth having in DVD in its
letterboxed, original form.  Has a great musical score too.






#108 of 112 by mynxcat on Fri Sep 12 13:48:23 2003:

I finally got my hands on "chalte Chalte" a typical bollywood movie. I had
heard that it was about husband-wife friction, but the  first half dealt with
the soppy romance before the couple gets married (this wouldn't be Bollywood
if it weren't for the romance and song-dance routines)

When it actually came to the married life of the couple, that really hit home.
I'm not married but living with my fiance, and I see a lot of us in that
couple. The arguments were real, the fights were the kind of fights we had.
The make-ups were like us. I think that part of the movie was well made. Then
it ended in the typical soppy Hindi-movie style. Pity.


#109 of 112 by remmers on Mon Sep 22 13:42:57 2003:

Skip "Cold Creek Manor".  Solid cast (Dennis Quaid, Sharon Stone,
Juliet Lewis, Christopher Plummer) doesn't even begin to save this
plodding, predictable, paint-by-numbers thriller.  Director Mike
Figgis has made some fine, risk-taking movies ("Leaving Las Vegas",
"Timecode"), but in this one he risks nothing except possibly his
professional reputation.  What a disappointment.


#110 of 112 by lynne on Mon Sep 22 14:35:19 2003:

Saw a sneak preview of Underworld last week.  It was a nice idea, but I was
very disappointed with the last half hour or hour of the movie--found myself
rooting against the good guy, for the bad guy.  I was glad it was a free
sneak preview and I hadn't paid actual money to see it.  Go see this only
if you have a stalkeresque relationship to Kate Beckinsale and want to spend
two hours watching her run around in formfitted leather and rubber suits
(admittedly, she looks very nice in them).
Last night I went to the campus showing of "Nowhere in Africa"--a German film
shot in Afrika, in German and Swahili with English subtitles.  I was very 
glad that they subtitled rather than dubbing--it added a great deal to listen,
for my non-German-speaking friend as well as myself.  Excellent movie.  Go
see it if you get the chance.


#111 of 112 by jaklumen on Tue Sep 23 03:25:42 2003:

I'm considering seeing "Underworld" just for the eye candy and to find 
out what had White Wolf in such a huff... but then I'm a Camarilla 
member and a music video junkie.  *shrug*  This might be the movie I 
consider a waste of my money-- who knows.

(that's if I find a babysitter)


#112 of 112 by edina on Tue Sep 23 17:55:09 2003:

I was totally rooting for the bad guy (Lucien) at the end.


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