Grex Agora46 Conference

Item 54: Virtual Unemployment

Entered by pvn on Thu Jul 3 06:01:38 2003:

Imagine you work for a company in the usual fashion in that you have
regular hours and you have a manager where you schedule vacations, etc.
the only difference is that you happen via the wonders of modern
technology reside in - oh, lets say florida - and you virtually work for
a company in - I dunno, lets say New york.  You work, you pay taxes
including "unemployment insurance".  Lets say that due to a new
management style you are told you either have to physically move to NY
leaving your spouse and children behind or you are "laid off".  So you
decline the move.  Where do you file for unemployment while you look for
a new job?

Never mind the fact that you will never recieve back all the money you
paid in over the years (sounds familiar doesn't it) surely you are
"entitled" aka should get some money back out of that "insurance" that
you so regularly paid for, right?

Wrong.  According to a recent actual case both the states of New York
and Florida have ruled that said individual is "entitled" to nothing
despite all the money involuntarily donated over the years.  Nada,
ningune, nothing, bu.

I'm not making this up, you can find the specific story pretty easily if
you google cleverly.  

That which on the NGO scale is regarded as RICO violation is common
practice when it comes to your government.
10 responses total.

#1 of 10 by fireflyx on Thu Jul 3 12:17:00 2003:

hello



#2 of 10 by jmsaul on Thu Jul 3 13:31:58 2003:

Yeah, I saw that case.  I think it's nuts.


#3 of 10 by other on Thu Jul 3 15:45:24 2003:

What percentage of take-home is paid by emplyees into unemployment 
insurance?  (I thought most if not all was paid by the employer.)


#4 of 10 by polygon on Thu Jul 3 16:04:13 2003:

Moreover, I thought that the rate paid by the employer is related to
the stability of the employer's workforce.  An employer who regularly
lays off lots of people pays a higher rate than one which generates
few unemployment claims.


#5 of 10 by tod on Thu Jul 3 16:14:33 2003:

This response has been erased.



#6 of 10 by klg on Thu Jul 3 16:26:45 2003:

How is this situation handled, when, for example, an Ohio resident is 
laid off from a job in Detroit?


#7 of 10 by tod on Thu Jul 3 16:30:27 2003:

This response has been erased.



#8 of 10 by jmsaul on Thu Jul 3 18:27:53 2003:

They ought to get benefits from the state where the employer is paying into
the pool.


#9 of 10 by simon999 on Sun Sep 14 01:31:17 2003:

Yeah, when I was laid off by Texas Instruments, maybe 5 to 6 months the state
took into account wages I had made in another state before working with TI.
I was given unemployment benefits estimated on those wages and current wages
but only what I had put in.


#10 of 10 by scg on Sun Sep 14 02:44:59 2003:

The company I used to work for that had people working all over the world
declared peoples' office locations to be in the places where they actually
worked, and paid people according to some interpretation of the laws of
whatever state they worked in, making the "I work in one state but get paid
as if I work in another state" something employees didn't have to worry about.
I suspect the answer here is to make sure before it becomes a problem that
you and your employer agree on which state you work in.  It certainly sounds
to me as if this person lived and worked in Florida, and it sounds like that's
what the New York court found.

That's presumably a very different issue from people who work in one state
and actually show up in an office in a different state on a regular basis.
New York must have estabilished precident dealing with that, considering that
a significant chunk of the New York City suburbs are in New Jersey and
Connecticut.


There are no more items selected.

You have several choices: