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Item 41: The Fifteenth Napster Item

Entered by krj on Thu Jun 26 22:25:28 2003:

I'm still obsessive; this item is back.      
  
Napster the corporation has been destroyed, but the Napster paradigm
continues.  This is another quarterly installment in a series of weblog 
and discussion about the deconstruction of the music industry and 
other copyright industries, with side forays into 
"intellectual property, freedom of expression, electronic media, 
corporate control, and evolving technology," as polygon once 
phrased it.
  
Several years of back items are easily found in the music2 and music3
conferences, covering discussions all the way back to the initial
popularity of the MP3 format.
  
Linked between the Agora and Music conferences.
162 responses total.

#1 of 162 by krj on Thu Jun 26 22:37:38 2003:

We start off with a bang this quarter.  On Thursday, the Recording
Industry Association of America announced that it would start
collecting evidence against Internet users whose file sharing 
software is offering copyrighted files online.  The RIAA said
it would file "hundreds" of lawsuits in 6-8 weeks.  This news
story is in most online media, so I won't bother with a link.
 
(The new game is called the Lawsuit Lottery.  Perhaps every month, 
several hundred of the estimated 50 million Americans using 
file sharing software will be picked to lose most everything 
they own.)
 
In other legal proceedings, 24-year-old Kerry Gonzalez pled guilty
to criminal copyright infringement for posting a working advance print  
of THE HULK to the net.  A good story on his case is at:
 
http://www.sunspot.net/business/bal-artslife-hulk0626,0,763448.story?coll=b
al-business-headlines

Mr. Gonzalez faces up to three years in prison and $250,000 in 
fines.  The cited article does not say this, but this is 
likely one of the first convictions under the 
No Electronic Theft (NET) act; prior to that act, it was essentially
impossible to get a criminal conviction for copyright infringement
not done for financial gain.

Vivaldi was especially steamed at Mr. Gonzalez for making the 
early work print of THE HULK available, because viewer reactions
to that print generated a good deal of negative word-of-mouth on 
various internet forums.


#2 of 162 by tod on Thu Jun 26 22:43:42 2003:

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#3 of 162 by jaklumen on Fri Jun 27 01:52:07 2003:

I don't.  While this may be pertinent for currently active performers, 
I'm not sure how strong the argument applies to older music, 
especially stuff that's out of print.  Most of my files are a handfull 
of years old; quite a few are about 10 years or so.  How often are you 
going to be able to find Jazzy Redd's "I Am a Dope Fiend?" or B-sides 
from 'singles' compilations that I *know* the market usually pulls 
after a while?

P2P sharing can operate a useful niche, I think; they just haven't 
regulated it right yet.  Apple's iTunes and RealOne's Rhapsody are 
being put out for a reason-- and the latter has got to mean something, 
i.e. the concept is good enough for competition.

I think the RIAA is fine is suing folks that run filesharing websites--
 that's a rather grand scale.  But attempting to sue every little file 
sharer, especially someone like me who usually picks songs that are 
old and not likely selling a lot, is completely ludicrous.  If the 
music industry would grow up and start putting CD prices back where 
they should be, I think it might help.  The other thing is that they 
seem to be milking their new talent too hard.  It's been noted older 
acts are still solid moneymakers and I'm not completely sure the 
industry is taking time to let some of their newcomers continue to 
build a name for themselves.  (I could be talking out my ass-- 
comments, please.)


#4 of 162 by senna on Fri Jun 27 03:16:35 2003:

Hadn't it been determined that the industry was colluding to inflate cd
prices?


#5 of 162 by other on Fri Jun 27 04:35:09 2003:

Vivaldi?


#6 of 162 by krj on Fri Jun 27 04:43:22 2003:

Ooops, my bad.  Mr. Vivaldi hasn't sued anyone
in a while, has he?


#7 of 162 by other on Fri Jun 27 04:48:49 2003:

 :)


#8 of 162 by pvn on Fri Jun 27 05:55:20 2003:

When the economy sucks like it does now, people tend to buy bread not
CDs.  If the impact of file sharing over the Internet were in fact what
caused the drop in music sales then I would expect we wouldn't see
"blockbuster" movie releases either.  It is just as easy to bootleg a
movie as it is music.  Thus before the music industry cries foul and
blames its problems on Internet file sharing one would reasonably expect
some proof.  Apple's iTunes woulda flopped if the problem really is P2P
networks would seem to me.  It clearly is a marketing problem.  The
price of the CD of music is so high that the consumer is willing to
spend time and trouble to find an alternative.  One alternative a clever
marketing organization might try is to reduce the individual cost and
make the profit on volume.  Another might be something like releasing a
CD where there are some number of CDs that have money inside - folk
still buy lotto tickets when the economy sucks.

Personally, I stopped buying anything other than indie stuff ever since
this strident militanism on the part of the Industry started.  I mighjt
even agree with thier motives but I'm not going to give my money to them
as I disagree with thier tactics.


#9 of 162 by gull on Fri Jun 27 13:40:59 2003:

I'm kind of in the same boat as jaklumen.  The vast majority of the file
trading I've done has been to get stuff that the industry has decided
isn't economically feasible to publish -- out-of-print albums and TV
show episodes that haven't come out on DVD.  I can understand them
wanting to go after people who are pirating the latest Metallica album,
but I think it's a bit unfair to hoard intellectual property, refuse to
make it available, and then declare it illegal to make other copies of it.


#10 of 162 by mynxcat on Fri Jun 27 14:08:51 2003:

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#12 of 162 by jep on Fri Jun 27 14:26:50 2003:

There's an article on today's USA Today on-line about some file-sharing 
companies vowing to protect the privacy of their users.  The article 
indicates that most other file sharing companies will be doing this as 
well.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2003-06-26-swap_x.htm


#13 of 162 by jaklumen on Fri Jun 27 22:06:37 2003:

resp:9 The other thing I used to do was buy used music.  Sadly, deja 
vu discs and tapes at the Parkway in Richland, WA closed shop sometime 
ago, when, I have no idea.  Their prices and quality was really nice-- 
the local Hastings chain, by comparison, had worse prices and the CDs 
were usually in worse shape.  So I don't feel like I have any real 
alternative right now.

resp:10 Have you not checked out Rhapsody, by Real Networks?  I know 
not everyone is thrilled with the RealOne player, but I believe this 
is the PC competition right now, and I think the songs are slightly 
cheaper (79 cents).


#14 of 162 by pvn on Sat Jun 28 06:28:21 2003:

One of the interesting tactics on the part of the RIAA et al is to lobby
municipalities to require "used record stores" to obtain a license and
adhere to the same strict standards as pawn shops.  This has not been
reported by any media outlet as far as I can tell.  Not only do you have
to pay full knuckle for a bunch of crap to get one good cut, but you
can't even re-sell the crap compilation when you are done.


#15 of 162 by krj on Sat Jun 28 06:30:15 2003:

The Washington Post ran an overview piece on the race by the authorized
download services to tap into the user base of the unauthorized file
sharing systems.  
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29635-2003Jun25.html
 
There's one quote I wanted to mention:  following a discussion of the 
tremendous wealth and breadth of music available on the unauthorized 
services, we read this:
 
>  RealNetworks Chief Strategy Officer Richard Wolpert questioned the 
>  need to have millions of available songs, saying "80 to 90 percent 
>  of the songs people download [on free services] are the same couple 
>  hundred songs." 

>  If pay services can provide most of the songs people are looking for, 
>  and do it in a safe, user-friendly environment, typical consumers will 
>  use them, he added. 

Who cares about all the music below the Top 100?  Those people don't count,
in the corporate view of the future.


#16 of 162 by senna on Sat Jun 28 07:18:52 2003:

It won't work.  People want to know they have the other songs available, even
if they don't use many of them.


#17 of 162 by pvn on Sat Jun 28 08:43:15 2003:

Huh?


#18 of 162 by remmers on Sun Jun 29 14:15:52 2003:

#16 seemed clear to me.

Wolpert's statement strikes me as idiotic from an economic point of
view, given the low cost of disk storage.


#19 of 162 by polygon on Mon Jun 30 15:55:17 2003:

Re 16-17 (speaking as the parent of a 4-year-old): Just like it's nice to
have 64 crayons in the box, even though you may never have a need for
burnt sienna or raw umber.


#20 of 162 by gull on Mon Jun 30 19:45:04 2003:

Re #18: It's not the disk storage, it's negotiating the rights to
distribute all those songs.  The record labels are, I understand, still
pretty reluctant to really open up their catalogs.


#21 of 162 by mcnally on Mon Jun 30 23:00:45 2003:

  That doesn't make much sense to me as an explanation for the behavior
  being discussed.  Why would they be willing to open up the part of their
  catalog that accounts for 95% of the sales but reluctant to offer the rest?  


#22 of 162 by mdw on Mon Jun 30 23:42:03 2003:

Ask Disney.


#23 of 162 by pvn on Tue Jul 1 05:23:51 2003:

This whole thing is actually an exercise on the part of the recording
industry to direct attention elsewhere from the fundamental problem. 
They are producing crap and they are producing it on media that for all
intents and purposes doesn't wear out.  And they are doing so in a
corporate environment burdened by huge debt generated from the focus on
revenue based compensation of management due to laws passed under the
clinton administration (you knew I couldn't pass that one up even though
it is a fact).  Instead of being compensated by returning profits to
stockholders in the form of dividends corporate management came to be
compensated by increases in revenue generating increased value of stock.
Thus the flurry of mergers and acquisitions and thus the incentive to
'turnaround' transactions which did absolutely nothing to profit -
indeed in a small way did damage - but generated nice revenue numbers.

So you have a general problem in the general case that is applied to the
recording industry where a general downturn in sales - you have less
young people to begin with who are the one's buying the hot new acts. 
Plus you have a product that is generally eternal - once the babyboomers
bought all their tunes on CD they generally stopped buying huge amounts
of tunes.  

The Internet magnified a problem that had always been there, those too
cheap to buy the original product prefering instead to 'tape' the tunes
-accept a 2nd or X-generation product that unfortunately in this case
were generally as good as the 1st generation product.  It is easy and it
produces good results.  The now dept burdened recording industry looks
for a convenient excuse for piss poor financials and settles on a
convenient and visible target - the Internet file swappers - as a reason
why they are moribund.  Sure the Internet makes it easy to swap music.
The problem with the RIAA et al's case is that there is absolutely no
proof that they suffer any major damage as a result.  I personally would
suggest that the practice of sharing music has been common among that
market segment as long as there has been an ability to easily record
replays of the media.  It used to be record to tape, now it is CD to CD.
The difference is only in the quality not the activity.  Again, the
Internet makes it easier to do many things on a larger scale - among
them distribute files that happen to be music.  I would suggest however
in this particular case that were the RIAA et al able to completely shut
down the Internet file sharing and develop foolproof and working copy
protection they would see little or no increase in revenue or profit as
those modern versions of those 'tapers' would simply revert to exactly
that level of technology - thier TARGETS weren't their market in the
first place.  There already is a huge market for movies even on quality
packaged DVD that are clearly somebody in a movie theater with a
camcorder.  There would simply be a huge market for those that would be
satisfied with CDs of music duped from copy proof media played in a
studio and re-recorded digitally -heck, while driving you probably
couldn't even tell the difference between an original and such.

It is only marginally less convenient to dupe music CDs borrowed from
the local library than downloaded off the Internet.  What are they going
to do next, go after libraries?

And its not like the actual artists see a wif of a hint of any change in
their revenue stream regardless and if they are clever they should adopt
the open source model in their own version - a buck from many people
that like what you are doing and want to support you so you can continue
to do good stuff may be more than what the artist might get a small
fraction of in the old model of the business.

Personally, I don't do the download bootleg music thing, but I sure
think that an industry that doesn't adapt to the current realities of
the situation is doomed to go the way of the quill pen - which you can
still buy to this day but there ain't a whole lot of money or market
for.   


 


#24 of 162 by polygon on Tue Jul 1 05:42:09 2003:

Re 23.  Generally agreed.  (Sometimes Nasby and I do see things from the
same point of view.)


#25 of 162 by gull on Tue Jul 1 13:32:14 2003:

I think partly, too, they got hooked on the big spike in revenue that
happened when people switched from CD to LP and bought new copies of all
the music they already owned.  Now that's gone, and in spite of casting
about a bit they haven't found a format that will let them do that again.


#26 of 162 by gull on Tue Jul 1 13:32:39 2003:

Err, I meant switched from LP to CD up there, of course.


#27 of 162 by flem on Tue Jul 1 14:35:38 2003:

No evidence that RIAA is damaged by file swappers?  What do you mean?  They
commissioned studies themselves proving huge damages!  

</sarcasm>


#28 of 162 by jazz on Tue Jul 1 14:43:06 2003:

        Yeah, their record sales should've skyrocketed, despite declining
quality.


#29 of 162 by mcnally on Sun Jul 6 01:20:40 2003:

  I don't know whether they archive their programs for any length of time,
  but on July 4th the Minnesota Public Radio program "Marketplace", which
  is syndicated on many public stations, had a quite good piece about 
  several musicians who have successfully opted out of the major-label
  system.  As I recall it was at the end of the program.  Also, they
  mentioned that their web site would have additional links to the 
  musicians interviewed and their music.


#30 of 162 by coolnet on Tue Jul 8 21:36:07 2003:

what IS the best and secure P2P program.


#31 of 162 by gull on Wed Jul 9 14:02:11 2003:

I don't know which is the most secure.  I've been using WinMX, which at
least doesn't come with any spyware.


#32 of 162 by krj on Wed Jul 9 18:36:35 2003:

There's much discussion of how one would run a "private" or "anonymous"
P2P program in the wake of the RIAA's threats to start handing out 
lawsuits next month.  Blubster issued a press release, and so on, 
forgive me for not having any links handy.  From my reading of the 
P2P news pages, it seems that most systems are focusing on eliminating
the ability to gather a list of all files being offered at a 
particular IP address.
 
This was originally a feature of Napster, IIRC; the idea was that
if you discovered that user Jane Doe at a certain address offered a 
Metallica song file  you liked, you might be interested in seeing 
what else Jane Doe liked.
 
However, this feature also allows the RIAA and others to look for 
who is offering the biggest file collections online, and so now 
it's being removed.
 
I don't see how complete P2P anonymity is possible, outside of a 
system like Ian Clarke's "Freenet."  Even there, one can probably 
determine the IP address serving up a particular piece of a file.
But removing the ability to search for large collections online
makes the RIAA's lawsuit plans much more of a crapshoot, in public
relations terms.


#33 of 162 by krj on Wed Jul 9 18:45:27 2003:

Ah, and here's today's article on this very subject, from Cnet
and Declan McCullagh:
 
"P2P's Little Secret"
http://news.com.com/2100-1029_3-1023735.html?tag=cd_mh


#34 of 162 by krj on Mon Jul 14 17:18:55 2003:

From today's New York Times:
 
"Harry Potter and the Internet Pirates"
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/14/technology/14BOOK.html

The most recent Harry Potter book is being put online by fans.
As the book is not originally available in digital form, those 
posting it to the net are scanning it (tedious) or participating
in group typing projects (even more tedious).
 
Non-english-speakers who are too impatient to wait for authorized
translations are getting their own versions in their home languages
prepared and posted to the Internet.
 
The NYT article does not attempt to explore the motivations behind
this gift economy, but it is one of the better explorations of the 
concept I've seen.


#35 of 162 by janc on Tue Jul 15 00:39:17 2003:

If I borrow a copy of the book from my next door neighbor, would that be a
crime too?  So many of the things have been printed, that I suspect that
anyone who wants to read it could pretty easily borrow it someplace.  Where
is the line?


#36 of 162 by slynne on Tue Jul 15 16:17:52 2003:

I have a feeling that if publishers thought they could prevent the 
borrowing of books (or the resale of books), they would certainly try 
to do that. 


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#38 of 162 by slynne on Tue Jul 15 19:08:25 2003:

OH man, I sold my text books back after writing "fuck you" in them. 
While I thought that significantly added to the text, I suppose the 
authors might disagree. HAW! 


#39 of 162 by mynxcat on Tue Jul 15 20:49:00 2003:

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#40 of 162 by tod on Tue Jul 15 20:53:35 2003:

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#41 of 162 by gull on Wed Jul 16 14:07:11 2003:

If books were a more recent invention, borrowing them probably would be
restricted.  Video rental stores pay a *lot* more to buy movies than you
pay for your own copy.


#42 of 162 by jaklumen on Wed Jul 16 22:45:08 2003:

Reading about Columba, patron saint of Scotland, was it?  people had 
some stiff feelings about books in ancient times-- they didn't like 
folks copying them.


#43 of 162 by gull on Thu Jul 17 13:38:39 2003:

DirecTV is taking an anti-piracy stand that borders on extortion. 
There's a good article about it here:
http://www.securityfocus.com/news/6402

Basically, if you've bought a smart card reader in the past from one of
the businesses they've busted, they assume you're pirating their signal
without any other evidence.  They send you a letter demanding that you
send them the reader along with $3500, or they'll file criminal charges
against you.  If you ignore the letter, they file the charges and then
offer to settle again for $10,000 -- a lot of money, but still less than
defending yourself in court against a behemoth like DirecTV.

So far pretty much everyone has paid up.  A class action suit in Los
Angeles accusing them of extortion was dismissed, and the plaintiffs
were ordered to pay $100,000 in legal fees to DirecTV in addition to the
money DirecTV had already asked for.  Only a handful of cases have gone
against them; one case in Michigan ended in a summary judgement against
DirecTV when it was discovered that the defendent didn't own a satellite
dish, for example.  But of course the trick here is that the money
they're asking for isn't quite enough to make defending yourself worth
it -- it's cheaper to just pay up.


#44 of 162 by gull on Thu Jul 17 14:09:06 2003:

A brief news item.  Apparently Rep. Howard Berman is sponsoring
legislation that could result in jail time for trading as little as one
MP3 on the Internet.  Details are pretty sketchy and it's unlikely that
this will go anywhere.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/31800.html


#45 of 162 by slynne on Thu Jul 17 15:26:53 2003:

So the moral of the story is to pay cash!


#46 of 162 by goose on Fri Jul 18 03:57:43 2003:

RE#43 -- That's a Smartcard *Programmer*, not a reader that DirecTV is going
mad over.


#47 of 162 by gull on Fri Jul 18 13:39:58 2003:

Yes, you're right.  That was my mistake when typing my summary.


#48 of 162 by krj on Sat Jul 19 15:49:58 2003:

"The music industry has won at least 871 federal subpoenas against 
 computer users suspected of illegally sharing music files on the 
 Internet, with roughly 75 new subpoenas being approved each day, 
 U.S. court officials said Friday."
  ...
"The RIAA's subpoenas are so prolific that the U.S. District Court
 in Washington, already suffering staff shortages, has been forced
 to reassign employees from elsewhere in the clerk's office to 
 help process paperwork..."

From the associated press via Slashdot:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,92351,00.html


#49 of 162 by krj on Mon Jul 21 18:30:11 2003:

This afternoon I stumbled across some late June - early July reports
of European copy-protected CDs causing physical damage to consumer
equipment.  Everything is very rumorish.  Mike Oldfield's
"Tubular Bells 2003" album has been singled out for particular 
concern.  I dunno, see what you think:

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/7/10/181528/569
http://ukcdr.org/issues/cd/docs/damage.shtml
http://www.rcarter.34sp.com/oldfield/tubularbells2003.html


#50 of 162 by gregb on Tue Jul 22 17:22:03 2003:

Whoa, good thing I have the original Bells CD.


#51 of 162 by russ on Wed Jul 23 03:06:45 2003:

Word on Slashdot is that Boston College, among others, has refused
DMCA subpoenas on the grounds that release of student records requires
notification and other procedures also mandated by Federal law.


#52 of 162 by gull on Wed Jul 23 14:34:39 2003:

The Register is reporting that MIT is fighting a DMCA subpoena by the RIAA:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/31891.html

They're claiming the RIAA didn't give them enough time to meet their
FERPA (Family Education Rights and Privacy Act) notification requirements.


#53 of 162 by anderyn on Thu Jul 24 03:10:05 2003:

I just found buymusic.com, which is the Windows version of the "official"
music buying service. I even bought a song from it, for .99. It has
restrictions (can only be on 1 computer, and burned on 3 cds) which they say
are enforced by coding. It's rather interesting, although I don't think I'll
be using it very much. (Not much folk, although they DO have Great Big Sea.
I will probably pick up a few of my still-un-gotten 80s songs that I can't
find on compilation CDs.)


#54 of 162 by krj on Thu Jul 24 21:20:00 2003:

The Associated Press claims to have tracked down some of the RIAA's
subpoena targets.  At least one, unnamed in the story, is located in 
Ann Arbor.  (via slashdot)

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DOWNLOADING_MUSIC?SITE=OHCLE&SEC
TION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT


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#56 of 162 by russ on Fri Jul 25 01:17:43 2003:

Y'know, with the proliferation of cable modems and Windows
viruses, it's only a matter of time until someone hides their
shared stuff on somebody else's computer.  The subpoena goes
to someone without any idea what's going on, and while the
perp is going to be mighty hard to find, the RIAA won't be.

It's a good bet that the letter to the congresscritter is
not going to have nice things to say about them (or M$).


#57 of 162 by krj on Fri Jul 25 05:28:23 2003:

Russ, that idea is old news.
This spring I was doing first-level clerical routing of DMCA complaints, 
and we regularly saw complaints about a common IRC file-sharing bot which 
would be installed on unwilling Win2K machines with weak admin passwords.


#58 of 162 by gull on Fri Jul 25 13:03:33 2003:

Re #56: There's a virus going around right now that uses victims'
machines as proxies to hide the actual addresses of porn servers.  It's
an all-in-one package; it also spews out spam emails advertising itself
as a porn site.


#59 of 162 by gelinas on Sun Jul 27 02:24:05 2003:

I don't know that my copy of Tubular Bells is an 'original' cd, but I have
had it for a couple of years.  Now I've an excuse other than price to stop
buying discs with music on them.


#60 of 162 by krj on Sun Jul 27 03:53:30 2003:

This story is about folks going into competition with Clear Channel
in the concert promotion business; most of it is long and windy, but 
I wanted to use one short quote:
 
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/07/26/MN199320.DTL
 
  "Concert attendance has dropped in three consecutive years,
   and only rising ticket prices have kept revenues up."

Another report suggesting that the plunge in pop/rock music 
concert attendance started at the same time as the slide 
in CD sales, suggesting that what's happened is either the 
economy, or else a cultural turn away from music.


#61 of 162 by krj on Sun Jul 27 18:20:00 2003:

The Ann Arbor News reports on the RIAA's target in Ann Arbor:
 
http://www.mlive.com/search/index.ssf?/base/news-5/1059144149193700.xml?aan
ews?NEA
    (i hope that works)
 
Quote:  "The RIAA subpoena claims the Ann Arbor user violated
  copyright laws by offering up pop and rock songs, including
  Madonna's "Material Girl," No Doubt's "Underneath It All"
  and the Guns and Roses tune "Sweet Child of Mine.""
 
This leads me to the catty suggestion that a Kazaa user's best protection
against an RIAA lawsuit may simply be to improve one's taste in music.  :)


#62 of 162 by oval on Mon Jul 28 19:40:11 2003:

 :)



#63 of 162 by orinoco on Tue Jul 29 16:59:30 2003:

I'm, uh, truly shocked that Ken Josenhans doesn't like Guns and Roses.


#64 of 162 by goose on Tue Jul 29 20:57:34 2003:

That's _Sweet Child O' Mine_.......;-)


#65 of 162 by krj on Wed Jul 30 05:36:00 2003:

I have not got a link immediately at hand.  However, Hilary Rosen's replacement
at the RIAA is the former chief of staff of the Republican Senate Majority
Leader.   This most likely represents a tremendous boost in access and 
influence over legislation for the RIAA.  


#66 of 162 by goose on Wed Jul 30 13:20:08 2003:

Oh boy.

http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=industryNews&storyID=3173482


#67 of 162 by dbratman on Wed Jul 30 17:30:58 2003:

It says:

"LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The music industry's leading trade group on 
Monday named Mitch Bainwol, a former top congressional aide with 
contacts in the Republican party, as its new chief executive and top 
lobbyist in Washington."

But it's accompanied by a photo of Saddam Hussein.

Ken #60: I conceive that it's possible that a rise in file-sharing, 
leading to a glut in listening to recorded-music, might dampen down the 
desire of students to attend concerts.  But more likely the fall of big-
ticket pop-music concert items is due to the fact that they suck, and 
the "safety first" attitude of concert promoters is responsible for 
that.


#68 of 162 by dbratman on Wed Jul 30 17:31:36 2003:

(By "concert promoters" I don't mean just the ilk of Bill Graham, but 
the whole record industry.)


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#70 of 162 by krj on Wed Jul 30 18:53:01 2003:

The Fresno Bee profiles one Fresno-area target of a RIAA subpoena:
 
http://www.fresnobee.com/local/story/7187003p-8115681c.html
 
"Could file sharing cost Fresno man $45 million?"


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#72 of 162 by krj on Thu Jul 31 23:36:36 2003:

SBC's Pacific Bell internet service provider is contesting the DMCA
subpoenas they have received from the RIAA for alleged file sharing.
SBC makes objections on procedural grounds -- subpoenas being issued
from the wrong federal court, and multiple individuals being targeted
in a single subpoena -- and they also make constitutional privacy
claims on behalf of their customers.  Many news stories on this everywhere,
here's one:
 
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techpolicy/2003-07-31-pac-bell_x.htm
 
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Vivendi Universal, the French conglomerate which owns the largest 
music company, reports distressing results for the first half of 2003.
     "Fewer international releases, currency effects, and weakness in 
   the music market helped push sales at Vivendi's Universal Music
   down 29 percent to 1.068 billion euros.  At constant exchange rates,
   sales dropped 19 percent."
 
   ((Vivendi reports its results in Euros, and the Euro has gone up 
     relative to the dollar this year.  I think the 19 percent number is 
     the key one -- this is a fall twice the predicted rate for CD sales
     this year.  Also, this news story is measuring money, not units sold.))
 
http://www.msnbc.com/news/946407.asp?0cv=BA00


#73 of 162 by dcat on Fri Aug 1 01:09:09 2003:

MIT and, IIRC, Boston University (or maybe College, I can never keep them
straight) are contesting the subpoenas they have received on similar grounds.


#74 of 162 by polytarp on Fri Aug 1 01:10:54 2003:

MIT is Boston College.


#75 of 162 by lynne on Fri Aug 1 19:36:50 2003:

It was MIT and BU.  The undergrad working with me thinks she knows the MIT
subpoena subject.


#76 of 162 by krj on Mon Aug 4 18:20:33 2003:

Cnet ran this story about discussions between the RIAA and unnamed 
universities, with a goal of creating a legal online music service 
aimed at the campuses.   
 
http://news.com.com/2100-1027_3-5059030.html?tag=lh
 
My guess is that the RIAA's goal is to tamp down the number of students
who run Kazaa and similar services, and thus offer large number of files
going outbound from the high-speed University networks -- I speculate
that they are hoping to throttle the uploading side of P2P and are 
willing to sell songs at minimal cost to accomplish that.

I expect that the discussions will founder; according to the article, 
the universities want some sort of all-you-can-eat system, while the 
record companies remain stuck on the pay-for-each-song model.
 
In a related topic, I realized last week that the RIAA has timed its 
lawsuits to coincide almost precisely with the students' return to 
their schools.

-----

In a story reported everywhere, so I won't bother pulling up a link:
Senator Norm Coleman of Minnesota would like to chat with the RIAA about
the shotgun approach they are taking with their subpoenas.



#77 of 162 by tod on Tue Aug 5 21:46:51 2003:

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#78 of 162 by other on Tue Aug 5 22:33:42 2003:

Hey tod!  You might want to close those table tags...


#79 of 162 by tod on Tue Aug 5 22:45:02 2003:

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#80 of 162 by other on Tue Aug 5 22:59:41 2003:

Sorry, on the main page.


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#82 of 162 by other on Wed Aug 6 02:35:12 2003:

Ahem!  The html table tags on http://www.megachump.com/ are not closed.

Oh, never mind.


#83 of 162 by jaklumen on Wed Aug 6 05:28:41 2003:

Huh?


#84 of 162 by tod on Wed Aug 6 19:56:35 2003:

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#85 of 162 by krj on Wed Aug 6 20:28:46 2003:

Essay from Cnet which has some interesting arguments:
 
"Congress, the new copyright bully"
http://news.com.com/2010-1071_3-5060347.html?tag=fd_nc_1
 
Quotes:
 
"Congress has become exasperated with its inability to get Americans 
 to stop engaging in copyright infringement."
 
...

"In the past decade, through dozens of congressional oversight hearings 
 where USUALLY ONLY INDUSTRY REPRESENTATIVES TESTIFY, Congress has been 
 completely convinced that rampant copyright infringement threatens to 
 destroy the American economy. Having internalized this threat, Congress 
 is now determined to fix that problem the only way it knows how--threaten 
 ordinary citizens with jail, despite collateral consequences." 
    ((emphasis KRJ))

"Rather than making a seemingly endless number of ad hoc proposals, 
 Congress needs to develop an integrated policy about criminal copyright 
 infringement. To do so, Congress needs to recognize two things.  First, 
 it is not acceptable to put average Americans at the peril of going 
 to jail for doing everyday activities. Second, if the existing laws 
 are not yielding the desired results, perhaps they were bad policy, 
 in which case making them tougher only compounds the initial policy 
 failure."

The author gets near to my question:

why is the government essentially refusing to enforce the existing law, 
the No Electronic Theft Act, against file sharing users?  And, given
that failure, what does Congress expect to accomplish by passing 
even worse laws?
Theft Act of 1997, and given this refusal, what does it 


#86 of 162 by krj on Sun Aug 10 22:44:51 2003:

The newspaper of Tower Records' home town, Sacramento, California, is 
running what sure looks like an obituary for the chain.  Tower has 
until September 30 to come up with a huge pile of money which it owes
its bankers.   This money was theoretcially going to come from the sale
of the chain, but there don't appear to be any takers.  
 
(As we previously noted here, Best Buy rid itself of its Musicland 
CD retail operations, including the Mediaplay and Sam Goody operations,
for zero dollars a few weeks back.)
 
The article says Tower was borrowing and expanding aggressively in the 
face of the looming crash in music sales.
 
http://www.sacbee.com/content/business/story/7190900p-8137801c.html
 
((referenced via www.dmusic.com))


#87 of 162 by krj on Tue Aug 12 22:44:55 2003:

Slashdot led me to this absolutely fascinating essay from somebody's
"Legal Theory" blog, too rich and complex for me to summarize 
briefly.  It's about the RIAA's policy of massive lawsuits and it 
speculates on likely follow-on scenarios. 
 
http://lsolum.blogspot.com/2003_08_01_lsolum_archive.html#10597492985814238
4


#88 of 162 by gull on Wed Aug 13 00:14:34 2003:

Interesting way of looking at it.

A friend of mine suggested today that the motive behind the push to make
copyright violation a felony might be to make sure people who feel
strongly about legalizing file sharing are prevented from voting.


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#90 of 162 by gelinas on Wed Aug 13 03:36:40 2003:

The essay is "Copynorms and Deterence" and is a bit further down the page that
it was.  I found it at 

  http://lsolum.blogspot.com/2003_08_01_lsolum_archive.html#106057207480148
411

It's disussing the RIAA's new-found penchant for suing people.


#91 of 162 by orinoco on Wed Aug 13 15:15:05 2003:

Definitely a good article.  I wish I'd understood the legal references a bit
better, though.


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#93 of 162 by krj on Mon Aug 18 16:40:21 2003:

Random data points on sales:
 
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20030815/D7SUIII00.html
"Country Music Execs Expect Big Late Sales"
 
> Last year, country was one of the few bright spots in a down year for 
> music sales. Country sales grew 12.2 percent, while the recording industry 
> overall was down 10.7 percent.
>
> This year, country sales through last month were off about 6 percent 
> from the same period a year ago, from 34.6 million units to 
> 32.5 million units, according to Nielsen SoundScan.
...
> Even with the slump, country continues to fare better than other genres. 
> Overall album sales fell from 358 million units to 328 million units 
> through last month, about 8.4 percent - continuing a decline that the 
> industry blames on file swapping and the soft economy.

----

Meanwhile, over in Britain, the British Phonographic Institute (BPI; the UK
version of the RIAA trade group) says that unit sales of album-length CDs have
hit a new record high.  They report a 12% increase in units sold in the 
album length format.  The trade group does whine that they had to cut prices
a bit and thus revenue didn't grow much.
 
http://news.dmusic.com/article/7438
http://www.bpi.co.uk/flashmainindex.html


#94 of 162 by krj on Mon Aug 18 16:55:11 2003:

... and the sales of MP3 players are surging:
 
http://www.mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=55622

I think these numbers are from 1 January 2003 until the last few weeks.
All MP3 players: unit sales are up 138%, compared to the same period
in 2002.
 
Headset portable Mp3 players: unit sales are up 202%, dollar sales are up
104%  (which means that the price cutting has been ferocious)
 
In-dash car MP3 players: both unit and dollar sales up 31%


#95 of 162 by krj on Mon Aug 18 17:17:28 2003:

Text article and opinion on the British CD sales report:
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/netmusic/story/0,13368,1020971,00.html
"Music sales defy the doomsayers"
 
http://media.guardian.co.uk/newmedia/story/0,7496,1020948,00.html
"How the pirates became saviours of the record industry"
    (summary: by introducing competition and forcing the 
     British CD firms to lower retail prices)


#96 of 162 by keesan on Tue Aug 19 19:39:21 2003:

Thanks for the legal stuff.  Jim found a printed copy at the library.


#97 of 162 by krj on Wed Aug 20 00:33:26 2003:

(Sindi might have been commenting on the "Legal Theory" blog I referenced
above, but my best guess is that her response was intended to go in 
Agora's "Bummed" item.  Best wishes & get well soon, Sindi!)


#98 of 162 by dbratman on Thu Aug 21 06:06:24 2003:

The Sacramento Bee "pre-obituary" article on Tower Records mentions the 
bankruptcy of Wherehouse.  (I believe we've established here before 
that there is a store or chain in Michigan by that name which is not 
the one the SacBee and I are talking about.)

There were several small Wherehouse outlets in my area, but I hadn't 
been in one in years, because they were very lowest-denominator and 
didn't carry much that I might be interested in.  (A far cry from 30-35 
years ago, when I cut my musical-collecting teeth on Wherehouse's 
meticulously-organized classical LP section, long before Tower made it 
south of San Francisco in the Bay Area.)

The result of Wherehouse's bankruptcy has been people standing on major 
street corners - here in Silicon Valley at least, and I saw one in San 
Luis Obispo last month - waving signs announcing final clearance sales 
at nearby Wherehouse outlets.

So I went.  I found virtually no music I wanted to buy.  (I got that 
copy of the Stones' "Forty Licks" at one, but "wanted" is an 
exaggeration for how I felt about that.)  Instead, I bought mostly 
DVDs, which was easy for me because I've only recently gotten 
interested in movie-collecting at all.

That was June, July.  Now there are a lot of vacant husks of buildings 
sitting around with the word "Wherehouse" on their facades.

If Tower goes the same way - there are 5 stores in the Bay Area which 
together account for 90% of my off-line music purchases - I'll be in 
line, as I was for the demise of the independent classical retailers 10-
15 years ago.  And then I guess I'll go to haunting Borders and B&N.


#99 of 162 by scott on Thu Aug 21 12:48:17 2003:

On somewhat of an aside, I've been tipped off to "Tape-Op" magazine, a pretty
cool and non-fluffy recording/engineering magazine.  I'm on my second issue,
and I'm pretty interested in tracking down some of the bands mentioned. 
Mostly I've never even heard of them, but somehow they've gotten several
records out each.  Must be *something* good about them.


#100 of 162 by gregb on Thu Aug 21 14:05:24 2003:

Hope their mag is better than their Website.  Just paid it a visit and 
it sucks.  I hadn't heard of TapeOp so I was hoping to learn more about 
it.


#101 of 162 by scott on Thu Aug 21 15:17:44 2003:

Well, the website doesn't seem to have the article text, which of course the
magazine has.  Apparently this is a pretty small operation.


#102 of 162 by goose on Thu Aug 21 18:38:55 2003:

TapeOp rocks...been a subscriber from issue 2, when it was stilla Xeroxed
'zine.  What did you find wrong with their website Greg?

you also can't beat the subscription price: $0.00 (for 3rd class delivery)


#103 of 162 by gregb on Sat Aug 23 17:08:43 2003:

I found it rather bare-bones, in terms of info.  There should be a 
section that explains what the mag is about, who their target audience 
is, etc.  What also would be nice if they archived some of their past 
issues/articles so people can get a feel for the material.


#104 of 162 by other on Tue Aug 26 22:15:43 2003:

With those subscription rates, that'sd a lot to ask!


#105 of 162 by krj on Sun Aug 31 17:03:00 2003:

This one's kind of funny.  Sharman Networks, the proprietor of Kazaa,
has issued a DMCA "Notice and Takedown" order to Google, demanding that
Google stop returning information on KazaaLite distributors, because 
Kazaa Lite infringes on the Kazaa copyrights.
 
(Kazaa Lite is the filesharing program Kazaa with the spyware and advertising
stuff removed.)
 
http://slashdot.org/articles/03/08/31/1349214.shtml?tid=153&tid=99
http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512/notice.cgi?NoticeID=789


#106 of 162 by remmers on Sun Aug 31 19:00:52 2003:

That one's funny on several levels.


#107 of 162 by jaklumen on Sun Aug 31 22:23:38 2003:

Sharman Networks is now offering a Kazaa Platinum that axes the 
spyware and ads, plus has some additional features that I can't 
remember.  I use Kazaa Lite myself, which features a DAT viewer-- 
which is helpful if the file didn't download completely.  This does 
smack of hypocrisy, yes, but I suppose the company is attempting to 
ensure their "Platinum" version sells somehow. 


#108 of 162 by jep on Mon Sep 1 00:57:02 2003:

I'd never heard of Kazaa Lite but am downloading it now.  Thanks, 
Kazaa!


#109 of 162 by krj on Mon Sep 1 11:07:17 2003:

(What does DAT mean in the context of resp:107 ?)


#110 of 162 by tod on Mon Sep 1 14:41:30 2003:

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#111 of 162 by jaklumen on Tue Sep 2 02:12:50 2003:

Kazaa Lite maintains an opening page for a Google search, an Internet 
movie database, and some various links.  It's just slightly different.


#112 of 162 by jep on Tue Sep 2 17:45:28 2003:

How likely is it that an individual user of Kazaa or Kazaa Lite would 
get into legal trouble for receiving and/or sharing files?  I'm getting 
risk-adverse in my old age but it's still fun browsing on-line and 
picking up the occasional old, old download.


#113 of 162 by goose on Tue Sep 2 18:22:59 2003:

Receiving files?  Not very likely.  sharing files?  Much more likely.
Maybe I'm more paranoid than the average person, but I'm not taking my chances
with either and don't download or share copyrighted material.  Never have.


#114 of 162 by mynxcat on Wed Sep 3 17:42:35 2003:

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#115 of 162 by krj on Wed Sep 3 17:45:24 2003:

There's a whole passle of news stories; there will be an even bigger flood
if the RIAA lawsuits hit in the next few days.
 
p2pnet.net points to this Macworld UK story.  An analyst for Raymond James
& Associates argues that, while it looks like the RIAA's lawsuit threats
may have slowed file trading, the period of the lawsuit threats coincides
with an even steeper falloff in CD sales.
 
http://macworld.co.uk/news/main_news.cfm?NewsID=6800
 
Or, as an essay at musicdish.com pointed out, fear is not going to 
sell CDs.
 
-----
 
The RIAA press release on US CD sales for the first half of 2003 has numbers
even more dire than the numbers in the Macworld article.  The numbers 
indicate that the slide in CD sales is accelerating.
 
In tabular form:         decline in units sold         decline in dollars    
        first half 2002         10.1%                         6.7%
        first half 2003      ** 15.8% **                     12.0%

The story suggests that the crash in CD retailers -- 1,000 stores closed 
in the first half of 2003, the article says -- and the decline in sales 
are starting to feed on each other.   The article says that surviving 
music retail outlets are shrinking their CD inventory.
 
http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=196736
5

-----

Slashdot points to a BBC news article which says that hundreds of lawsuits
from the RIAA are imminent.  The RIAA will offer to settle for $15,000
initially; if the targets of the lawsuit offer any opposition, the price 
of the settlement rises to $50,000.
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3201399.stm




#116 of 162 by krj on Wed Sep 3 18:38:31 2003:

Billboard story on RIAA press release -- wait a minute, wait a
minute, read the fine print.  The RIAA numbers factor in stock
returned for full credit from all those closed stores, and it
represents product shipped to stores.  Soundscan's numbers, which
measure sales to consumers, show a much smaller decline of 8.5% year
to date.  Pardon me, I have to try to get my head to stop spinning
now.



#117 of 162 by gull on Wed Sep 3 18:47:05 2003:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/32636.html

A court in France has ordered EMI to issue a refund to a woman who was
unable to play a copy-protected CD in her car.  Alternatively, EMI can
provide a working copy.  The CD was essentially ruled to be "defective"
under French law.


#118 of 162 by scott on Thu Sep 4 14:03:58 2003:

Interesting little story from The Register:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/32658.html

Apparently the Universal Music Group (one of the big five) is going to cut
their CD prices by "up to 31%" in hopes of attracting CD buyers back from DVDs
and file trading.


#119 of 162 by mynxcat on Thu Sep 4 16:23:41 2003:

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#120 of 162 by mcnally on Thu Sep 4 16:44:22 2003:

  We'll see if it really happens.  Record companies have promised to lower
  their prices before but I don't recall ever seeing the effects at the
  record stores..


#121 of 162 by krj on Thu Sep 4 18:34:14 2003:

Here's the background on the Universal price cut: sorry I didn't get this
summary in earlier.  (Written originally for Utne Cafe a couple of days 
ago:)

-----

As if the recorded music industry did not have enough problems with
slumping sales: now the labels are facing ferocious demands from
their biggest retailers to slash prices.

This is from BILLBOARD, August 16.  Not available online; Billboard
keeps the juicy stuff out of the free section of the public web site.

Quote:
"For more than 25 years, labels have dictated the terms and have taken
the lion's share of the upside.  ((profits))   But Wal-Mart, Best
Buy, Target, K-mart, Circuit City and other discount store chains now
control about 55% of music sales and have finally gained enough
marketing muscle to start driving the business model."

Sources are unnamed throughout the article.  It is reported that Best
Buy, the only big-box store to stock a decent variety of titles, is
threatening to slash its stock to the same level (5000 titles) as the
other big-box stores if the labels do not give substantially on price.

The goal of the retailers seems to be to get new releases under $10
per CD and then catalog CDs priced a few bucks below that.

Some label execs complain that the labels shouldn't be supporting
pricing levels which are destroying CD-only "specialty"
retailing.  "In the past two years, more than 1,000 music specialty
chain and independent stores have closed, according to Billboard
estimates."

"'Soon we will have a marketplace where the people left in business
will only be carrying 10% of the SKU's ((titles)),' a distribution
executive said."

The discount retailers are very unhappy over how music CDs are
selling, especially when compared to DVDs and games.

One interesting side note:  Wal-Mart is insisting that the industry
bring back single CDs for top radio hits.

-----

end of paraphrase and quotes.  Heh.  At Wal-Mart in Pennsylvania last
weekend, I saw stacks of reasonably recent movie DVDs priced under
$9.  Consumers just don't see a reason for well-promoted DVDs to be
significantly cheaper than audio CDs.
So, I believe the Universal price cuts to $12.98 list are quite real:
this will put selling prices at $12 in Borders and $10 at Best Buy.
I expect the other major labels to follow Universal's lead.
 
My questions: what does this mean for independent CD pricing, and what
does it mean for online pricing such as iTunes?



#122 of 162 by tpryan on Thu Sep 4 19:20:46 2003:

        Well, DUH!, if there are less stores, not wonder there are
less CD sales.
        And before you double-duh me, any stats on where the 
store closed was the major CD retailer in the market?  I'm talking
about markets like Houghton Lake, MI, or Mount Pleasant or 
Houghton, MI?  Places where a big chain replaced the ma & pa
store, or the local chain store, only to later leave town.
<cough>tower<cough>


#123 of 162 by dbratman on Thu Sep 4 20:19:52 2003:

"The article says that surviving music retail outlets are shrinking 
their CD inventory."

How is a smaller inventory going to get buyers back into their stores?


#124 of 162 by krj on Thu Sep 4 21:23:45 2003:

Cutting inventory is a rational business response on a product whose
sales are down 30% over three years.   (That's the RIAA's number, from
an sfgate.com story.)   There's a widely reported story -- haven't got the 
link right now -- where a business analyst argues that the slide in 
CD sales is irreversible, no matter what happens in the file sharing wars.

I expect the retailers think that there are few brick-and-mortar
shoppers left who are attracted by a large inventory.   (This is little
comfort to David, who is probably one of those few.)  My guess is 
that most people who want a large inventory have moved to the Internet,
either to authorized online CD sellers or to file sharing.


#125 of 162 by gull on Thu Sep 4 22:32:01 2003:

That's pretty much what I've done.  My assumption now is that any store
I walk into isn't going to stock what I'm looking for, so I might as
well buy online and save myself the trip.


#126 of 162 by remmers on Fri Sep 5 00:38:20 2003:

Most of my music purchasing is ragtime, a very specialized niche
indeed.  It's been my assumption for years that any store I walk
into isn't going to stock what I'm looking for.  By contrast,
without expending much effort I can find just about anything I
want for sale on the internet.  Online purchasing is a godsend
for me.  In many instances, I can even listen to samples from the
recording before I buy.  Although stock diversification might
make me *slightly* more interested in going to a record store
and browsing, I can't imagine that the brick-and-mortar stores
can come close to matching the diversity of product that I can
find online.


#127 of 162 by gull on Fri Sep 5 20:37:28 2003:

A handful of items from The Register today:

First is an editorial about the Universal Music price cuts.  Among other
things, it points out that CD prices have remained constant since they
were introduced, even as volume increased, and that Universal was, along
with other record labels, found guilty by the FTC of price fixing only a
month ago.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/32690.html

Second is an article about the RIAA's apparent plans to offer amnesty to
small-time noncommercial file traders.  Frankly, this is probably the
only way for them to stick with their enforcement program without
creating a PR disaster.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/32681.html

Finally, U.S. District Court judge Rebecca Pallmeyer has denied part of
a motion for summary judgement against Skylink Technologies, brought by
Chamberlain Group.  Chamberlain had argued that Skylink was violating
the DMCA by producing garage door opener remotes compatible with
Chamberlain's openers.  Judge Pallmeyer commented, "The homeowner has a
legitimate expectation that he or she will be able to access the garage
even if his transmitter is misplaced or malfunctions."
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/32684.html


#128 of 162 by krj on Fri Sep 5 20:37:39 2003:

The Washington Post ran a puff piece about Mitch Bainwol, who is 
Hilary Rosen's replacement as the head of the RIAA.  Bainwol, as has 
been mentioned before, is frighteningly well connected; as former 
chief of staff to US Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, he has direct
access to the most powerful circles in government.
 
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1804&ncid=1804&e=1&u=/washp
ost/20030905/tc_washpost/a29504_2003sep5


#129 of 162 by mcnally on Sat Sep 6 19:41:06 2003:

  Today's New York Times has a piece entitled "Aiming at Pornography to
  Hit Music Piracy" which relates the music-industry lobby's new tactic
  in their war against peer-to-peer file sharing networks:  smear them
  by linking them in lawmakers' minds with pornography and then play the
  "won't someone please think of the children?" trump card.

  http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/07/technology/07PORN.html?pagewanted=2&hp


#130 of 162 by tpryan on Sat Sep 6 22:25:20 2003:

        Gee, I thought it was mostly children teaching the adults 
how to file-trade.


#131 of 162 by albaugh on Mon Sep 8 16:55:04 2003:

-----Original Message-----
From: BreakingNews@MAIL.CNN.COM [mailto:BreakingNews@MAIL.CNN.COM]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 12:46 PM
Subject: CNN Breaking News

-- Recording industry files 261 lawsuits against Internet music file sharers,
announces amnesty program for individuals.


#132 of 162 by krj on Mon Sep 8 19:37:40 2003:

Best story I've seen so far is on Cnet.  The RIAA is promising thousands
more lawsuits.
 
http://news.com.com/2100-1023_3-5072564.html?tag=fd_lede1_hed


#133 of 162 by krj on Mon Sep 8 22:05:10 2003:

It was thought that the RIAA was fishing for unsympathetic defendants after
it subpoenaed names from the ISPs.  I guess they didn't filter well;
the first publicized defendant is a 71-year-old grandfather who says 
his grandkids did it:
 
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/09/08/state1547E
DT0101.DTL


#134 of 162 by gull on Tue Sep 9 13:35:02 2003:

I'm a little suspicious of the RIAA's amnesty program.  It seems to me
that what you're doing is identifying yourself to them and admitting
guilt, thus saving them a lot of work if they ever want to prosecute you.


#135 of 162 by dah on Tue Sep 9 18:36:55 2003:

It's a bit hard to sue someone you've promised not to sue.


#136 of 162 by otaking on Tue Sep 9 21:56:59 2003:

The Ann Arbor News has 2 articles on the RIAA in today's Connection section.
(Unfortunately, I do not have the links.) One article dealt with the lawsuits.
The other talked about how the recording industry wants to keep everyone from
copying CDs, or create half-assed method to make it less worthwhile. One
proposed method would allow you to send an MP3 to a friend via email, but
would block your computer from listening to it until he deletes it off his
hard drive.


#137 of 162 by dah on Tue Sep 9 22:24:12 2003:

That sounds silly and like it probably wouldn't work with MP3.


#138 of 162 by scott on Tue Sep 9 23:04:16 2003:

It would probably require that everybody runs Windows, too.


#139 of 162 by polygon on Wed Sep 10 16:58:28 2003:

Re 135.  Yes, but there are many other plaintiffs (e.g., songwriters)
who could use those amnesty documents as evidence in a lawsuit.


#140 of 162 by russ on Thu Sep 11 00:33:51 2003:

Re #134:  With good reason; the various entities which make up the
RIAA probably are not all bound by the hold-harmless clause, and
could subpoena the full list of confessors.


#141 of 162 by other on Thu Sep 11 03:04:59 2003:

RIAA is being sued over the Amnesty for deceptive practice and fraud.


#142 of 162 by krj on Thu Sep 11 23:18:44 2003:

Oh, there is just a ton of stuff today...  I only have time to dump
in some of the highlights.

"Music Firms Claim Public Backing"
http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/09112003d.php
   (with a click-through to the BBC)

The RIAA had a poll done in the days before the lawsuits were filed,
and they claim the support of 52% of the US public for their campaign
against song swappers.  No news on whether that support holds for
suing Brianna LaHaie, age 12.

-----

"Artists blast record companies over lawsuits against downloaders"
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/09/11/MN12066.DTL
   (SF Chronicle)

Quotes:

 Artists are feeling the downturn in sales, too. "My record royalties
 have dropped 80 percent since 1999," said Steve Miller, whose
 greatest hits album has been a perennial best-seller since its 1978
 release. "To me, it's one of the weirdest things that's ever happened
 to me because people act like it's OK. "

 Recording artists have watched their record royalties erode over the
 past few years ("My Van Halen royalties are history," said vocalist
 Sammy Hagar), but, in fact, few musicians earn the bulk of their
 income from record sales.
 ...

 Many artists painted the record industry as a bloated, overstuffed
 giant with too many mouths to feed and too many middlemen to pay,
 selling an overpriced, often mediocre product. "They have all these
 abnormal practices that keep driving the price up," said Gregg
 Rollie, founding member of Santana and Journey. "People think
 musicians make all that money, but it's not true. We make the
 smallest amount."

((end quotes from SF Chronicle))

-----
Yale's LawMeme carries an article suggesting that the RIAA's lawsuit
tactics are whipping up anger, at least among the targets, at Kazaa,
for allowing them to get sued.  The author suggests that this is a
tactic to encourage Congress to pin liability firmly on Kazaa and
make it easy for the RIAA to sue Kazaa, and any future technology
which deals with copyrighted work such as the VCR, into oblivion.  Or
else Congress might just ban Kazaa outright.  The longer term
question is: do the copyright holders get to have veto over new
technology?

http://research.yale.edu/lawmeme/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=119
7

Even more stuff at lawmeme which I have not had a chance to digest
yet, but which I don't want to lose and which looks fascinating:

http://research.yale.edu/lawmeme/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1196


#143 of 162 by mynxcat on Fri Sep 12 13:45:20 2003:

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#144 of 162 by gull on Fri Sep 12 13:48:48 2003:

I'm kind of surprised at how the lawsuits are playing out.  I figured
the RIAA would be careful not to sue anyone who would be a sympathetic
defendant.  Suing a 12-year-old seems like really poor PR.


#145 of 162 by polygon on Fri Sep 12 14:53:34 2003:

A lot of the predictions about this seemed to hinge on (a) the public
becoming outraged over lawsuits against sympathetic defendants, and/or
(b) the tiny number of possible lawsuits dwarfed by the tens of millions
doing file sharing.

But I'm not seeing any outrage from the unaffiliated public, and I do see
file sharers becoming worried.

I tend to subscribe to the music-industry-is-doomed thesis.  Is it really
a workable business model to deliberately price people like me out of the
market?  But the lawsuit offensive may be at least somewhat effective in
suppressing MP3 sharing.


#146 of 162 by krj on Fri Sep 12 19:25:25 2003:

BMG/Arista are going to give CD copy prevention another whirl on 
Sept. 23.  They're going to use the SunnComm system which installs 
a "lock" on your PC.  I was worried they were going to be somewhat
stealthy about this but apparently when you put the CD in your PC
you'l have to click on an End User License Agreement.  In this 
posting from cdfreaks.com, the first response has pasted in the 
FAQ from SunnComm on this process:
 
http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/7953


#147 of 162 by tpryan on Fri Sep 12 20:16:53 2003:

        Use of the compactDisc logo ensures that the disc will play
in all compactDisc players.  Subverting that is deception or 
creates a defective disc.
        I fell that a label, at least as big as the parental
advisory label should be on disc, saying that copy protection
has been added to this disc.  It should be a permanent label
on both the materials and the disc.


#148 of 162 by jep on Sat Sep 13 03:47:21 2003:

It happened 20 years ago with computer software.  There was a big push 
among software providers to copy-protect their work.  Some developers 
even required one of various hardware devices ("dongles") be attached 
to the computer, which were necessary to enable the software to run.

It wasn't long, just a few years, before there was a big backlash.  
First of all, there was no software program which could be used but 
not copied.  Clever programmers found ways to copy anything they 
wanted to copy.

Second, people refused to buy software that was over-protected.  Some 
previously very successful companies evaporated over their refusal to 
get rid of their copyright schemes.  Floppy disks were too fragile to 
use without backing them up.  The dongles were obtrusive, they 
interfered with other programs, and they also got damaged or lost.

Most software companies -- all of the ones you've ever heard of -- 
turned to installation key strings or just gave up on copy protection 
entirely.  They turned to a marketing effort which worked.  Lots of 
people consider it dishonorable to make copies for friends of computer 
programs now.

The music industry is going down the same path.  I don't believe it 
will last for them, either.  People *needed* particular software 
packages.  There are few who can't live without a specific CD or 
song.  I am confident the market will channel people's tastes around 
the more unreasonable efforts by the music industry, and that we'll 
wind up with very reasonable methods of distributing music, 
specifically including the Internet, in a few years.


#149 of 162 by scott on Sat Sep 13 13:31:21 2003:

Dongles are still around, although not for mass-market software.


#150 of 162 by dah on Sat Sep 13 13:52:34 2003:

AHA !  DONGLES!  THE VERY N AME SOUNDS RUDE!


#151 of 162 by gull on Mon Sep 15 23:35:07 2003:

Yup.  It gets really annoying when you need to run two such programs on 
one computer, and have to try to figure out how to chain two dongles off 
one port and have them both work.


#152 of 162 by krj on Tue Sep 16 23:09:17 2003:

The link for this story goes away shortly, but maybe someone will
have put it on the web somewhere...

LA Times, the hometown paper for Big Music:
"One Voice on Piracy"

http://www.latimes.com/la-fi-behind10sep10133420,1,2671593.story

Quote:-------

>>Warner Music Group Chairman Roger Ames wouldn't budge. The industry
>>veteran refused last summer to join an effort by his four major
>>competitors to sue illegal downloaders who were crushing the
>>industry's bottom line.

>> Ames insisted that before the labels unleashed their attorneys and
>>risked a potential public relations backlash, they needed to provide
>>consumers with an alternative, a place where the pirates could
>>legally download songs from all five major record companies.

>> "We made it clear to everyone that we weren't prepared to go
>>forward with lawsuits until there were ATTRACTIVE and COMPREHENSIVE
>>online services up and running," said David Johnson, Warner Music's
>>general counsel.

(endquote)-----(emphasis KRJ)

And here, in a nutshell, we see why Big Music is doomed.  They have
totally lost touch with the consumers.  Their general counsel can,
with a straight face, describe Pressplay and Musicnet as "attractive
and comprehensive online services," when these services are mocked by
all knowledgable consumers for their difficulty of use; and when
their usage figures are so low, they remain unpublished; and when
huge amounts of recorded music remain unavailable through them.

(It's not just that Pressplay and Musicnet are pay services.  Apple's
iTunes is a pay service and it is not widely mocked; and it has
published its sales figures from the get-go.)

Or, let me put it another way.  In the history of American
capitalism, when has an industry responded to consumer demand by
saying, "No, under no circumstances will we give you what you want,
you must take what we are selling and that's it."

----------

((I just had a flash of insight.  Big Music is showing the consumer
relations skills of the industries of the Soviet Union.))



#153 of 162 by krj on Wed Sep 17 00:33:43 2003:

Or:
     Big Music has one product line, compact discs, which consumers are 
turning away from.  They have a new product line, the crippled download
services, which consumers have totally rejected.
 
     So, faced with rejection in the market, Big Music turns to state 
power to keep its customers from fleeing.
 
     It's so perfectly Soviet.


#154 of 162 by dbratman on Wed Sep 17 06:26:36 2003:

#125: "My assumption now is that any store I walk into isn't going to 
stock what I'm looking for, so I might as well buy online and save 
myself the trip."

Right.  Which is why reducing inventory is self-defeating.

Buying online is wonderful when you already know what you want.  What 
gets me is that I have never yet figured out a satisfactory (for me) 
way to browse online to look for things that I might want.  Of course, 
record browsing was rendered much more difficult by the advent of the 
CD and the consequent virtual disappearance of back-cover liner notes.  
But I still browse in record stores as well as in bookstores.  At least 
most of the record stores have in-store players now.


#155 of 162 by gull on Wed Sep 17 13:30:22 2003:

I guess I'm a little different...I don't think I've ever bought an album
because I liked something I read about it.  I have to hear a couple
songs off the album and like them before I'll buy it.


#156 of 162 by anderyn on Wed Sep 17 15:15:38 2003:

I think I can read about an album and buy it, but I have to have heard the
group before (for example, I just saw a blurb that Runrig has a new album out.
I haven't heard it, but I'd buy it in a second if I had the cash.)


#157 of 162 by gull on Wed Sep 17 17:46:20 2003:

Yeah, I'll grant you that.  If I like a group well enough, I'll buy
albums just on the strength of their name.


#158 of 162 by gull on Thu Sep 18 20:35:38 2003:

The Register has an article today with a great quote from SBC lawyer Jim
Ellis:

"Under the RIAA's interpretation of the law, anyone willing to pay a
small fee and represent that its copyright is being violated would be
entitled to know the name, address and phone number of the person behind
an anonymous e-mail," said Ellis. "This would readily lead the Internet
stalker, the child predator or the abusive spouse to their victims." 

(http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/32905.html)


#159 of 162 by tpryan on Fri Sep 19 15:24:51 2003:

        We must shut down the RIAA to 'Save the Children'.


#160 of 162 by krj on Wed Sep 24 20:26:07 2003:

Metadiscussion:  Agora has rolled over for the fall.   I will let this 
sit for a day or so to allow a few other items to establish themselves
in the new Agora conference, then I'll start The Sixteenth Napster Item.
 
In the meantime, here was an entertaining rant from USA Today:
 
"Free CD downloads: Recording industry can't put this cat back in bag"

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2003-09-23-hughes-edit_x.ht
m

A university business professor writes about her attempts to give up
Kazaa and use the legal download services.

Quote from near the end:

  "The next day, I asked my students in class if they could recommend
  any good legal sites for downloading music.  I got a blank, puzzled
  silence in response.  Finally, one student asked, 'Why would you want
  to do that?'

  "Dutifully, I recited the RIAA's mantra: 'I don't shoplift; I
  shouldn't steal music.'

  "'But the legal sites don't have any good music,' explained one
  earnest senior in the front row."


#161 of 162 by mcnally on Wed Sep 24 21:32:44 2003:

  I, too, would be interested in learning about legal sites which offer
  downloads of good music.  Unfortunately my search efforts haven't been
  especially rewarding, though you do find stuff here and there.


#162 of 162 by dbratman on Wed Oct 8 04:01:57 2003:

I don't know about downloading it, but for streaming audio the BBC 
Archives are really fabulous for the kinds of music the BBC offers.


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