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Item 34: Clees' Coast to Coast Part 2

Entered by clees on Wed Jun 25 22:28:45 2003:

Hi there!
More on my tour de America.

After leaving Idaho (of which we crossed the handle of the pan) we 
made our way to Thompson Falls.
We camped at some high school, that apparantly has brought many State 
champions at various kinds of spots.
In T Falls we ate at the Elks, somekind of hunting-charity-free mason-
ish club.
Later, the next day we actually heard gunshots being fired while we 
cycled past (this was quite close to Montana Border). Militia?

This day went to Missoula, some 35,000 souls city.
here we had a day resting time. Time to recover from the hardships of 
Washingtom cycling.
Here some people left the group, as they had signed up for a one week 
tour.
Newbies cometh.

The next day brought us to Darby. A tourist traplike town that could 
have come right out of a Disney park. 
Temperatures staretd to drop.
The next they dropped further.
We climbed our second pass of the trip, and the third (more or less 
part of nr. 1)
The descend was bitter cold.
Lunch break (outside in a party tent) was brief and all about food. No 
niceties.

Desending to Wisdom, but that didn't last long.
head winds, icy cold and strong. 24 miles long. My feet were numb all 
over.
In the hamlet Wisdom we drank a cup of coffee to recover and a 
discussion on the Iraq war with the tenant/owner lady and the one 
other customer. Nice people.
From this point it was tail winds.
with a steady 20-30 miles/hour I made the last stage to Jackson (yet 
another hamlet town) with the biker Hot Springs lodge.
Man, did I get drunk! had a good time though, with the other bikers.
Today, it was not freezing (overnight it had, but during the day not)
Much, much better.

Dillon is the name of the town we are staying currently.
We had a very short stage, which I dread, does not promise much good 
for tomorrow.

CU all soon, I hope!

Rick



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#1 of 88 by tod on Wed Jun 25 22:41:43 2003:

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#2 of 88 by goose on Thu Jun 26 02:15:47 2003:

Where the hell is that?


#3 of 88 by scg on Thu Jun 26 04:08:06 2003:

Wall Drug is in Wall, South Dakota.  If you're heading West on I-90, it's the
first big concentration of hotels in the Badlands/Mount Rushmore area.


#4 of 88 by goose on Thu Jun 26 17:50:27 2003:

(I've seen "Where the hell is Wall Drug?" bumperstickers)


#5 of 88 by tod on Thu Jun 26 19:41:28 2003:

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#6 of 88 by clees on Thu Jun 26 21:27:36 2003:

Ennis, Montana.
I believe this is our final day in Montana.
We cycled from Dillon, a 77 mile stage.
For the first time in a week the weather actually was nice.
First league, to the water stop at mile 21 we made an average of 27 
ml./hr. Not bad.
No need to say lunch was at ten o'clock.
(We leave at seven.)
After lunch in Hamiltonn we cycled on to Virginia city, preceded by 
Nevada City.. Both are touristlike ghost towns, of which the latter is 
a real remains of a gold diggers mining city.
Interesting. 'Little Big Man' with Dustin Hoffmann was partly shot 
there.
In Virgina city the climb started. 3 miles of a steady 6-8%
The descend into Ennis. 9 miles of the same, maybe steeper.
Halfway to road opened to wide vista and we were treated witrh 
magnifient view on Ennis and the valley.


#7 of 88 by clees on Thu Jun 26 21:34:01 2003:

Let me repeat the Michigan info for those who wish to meet me:

 Monday July 28th:
 Farwell:
 Farwell High School
 371 Main Street 

 Tuesday July 29th:
 Frankenmuth
 E.F. Rittermueller Middle School
 965 E Genesee



#8 of 88 by jaklumen on Fri Jun 27 02:21:40 2003:

*sigh* wished you had repeated the Spokane info.  Maybe next time.


#9 of 88 by clees on Wed Jul 2 20:05:24 2003:

All's still well!
After Wesrt Yeloowstone, where we spotted a live bear roaming the 
camping site (we had to store all food items bear safe). Bit scary 
night, though.
Yet, the next to Ashton , Idaho (a nothing that hasn't left any 
memories)
The day after that across Grand Teton Pass (8,500 ft) to bring us in 
Jackson Hole, Wyoming.
I was chicken descending, but witha little help from my friends I made 
it into town. Tourist trap revisited.
Monday was our day off. Yellowstone Park, here I come.
Loads of pictures I did take there, I can recommend everybody to go 
there. Veeery beautiful.
The day after that we cycled across yet another pass, the Pogwotee Pass 
(9,553 ft)
with the crossing of this pass we left the forested areas en went into 
Wyoming's deserts.
Hot! Hot hot in more than a week of chills.
Strange land with alle those climate zones so close together.
Well, the city was named Dubois (962 souls) and today we are in 
Riverton, after cyclingf for a day through desert like Buttes and such.

I am still not tired of cycling.
In fact: I feel stronger with each passing day.
Got a cold, though.


#10 of 88 by clees on Tue Jul 8 20:08:02 2003:

I think I am starting to repeat myself.

Wyoming is finally nearing to its end. Next will be thrilling South 
Dakota.
I can't wait for tailwinds on the endless plains.
Provided we won't have to do the so-called rolling hills.
They never seem to be steep enough to let you actually roll to the 
sumiit of the next hill.
With head winds it gets worse.

OK, what have we been up to besides drinking Margaritas last Saturday 
to celibrate the completion of week nr. 3.
The mountain passes have been completed.
The highest were respectively Teton Pass (8,500 ft), Pogwotee Pass 
(9,658 ft) and Powder River Pass 
(9,666 ft)
Next to this I think we have done at least eight other mountain passes.
But things are beginning to blend into each other.
Well, we have visited Yellowstone, and we have done Devil's Tower (the 
mountain from Close Encounters of the Third Kind)
That's were we guzzled way too many margaritas untill we started eyeing 
margaritas, or at least, who could pass for a margarita, haha.
Nah, to be honest, it was a good party and everybody enjoyed it.
Bets were made.
I fear I am going to lose my red gore tex rain jacket to a woman called 
Theresa.
She can have it.
I like her way too much.

Next time more guys,

Rick


#11 of 88 by keesan on Wed Jul 9 05:36:40 2003:

On average you are going downhill and on average the winds blow from the west.
I remember South Dakota for its wildflowers and pelicans.


#12 of 88 by gull on Wed Jul 9 13:44:54 2003:

South Dakota has pelicans?  I thought they were coastal birds.


#13 of 88 by other on Wed Jul 9 15:01:16 2003:

They are.  That must have been a brainfart.  :)


#14 of 88 by dcat on Wed Jul 9 15:21:34 2003:

From the UM Museum of Zoology's Animal Diversity Web project,
[http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/accounts/pelecanus/p._occidentalis$n
arrative.html]

        "Brown pelicans are strictly coastal, and living on the Pacific,
        Atlantic, and Gulf coasts north to Nova Scotia. . . . Brown Pelicans
        live in all habitats on the Pacific, Atlantic, and Gulf coasts. They are
        rarely seen inland."

According to this website, the Brown (Pelecanus occidentalis) is the only
pelican in the Western Hemisphere; the only other member of its genus, the
Eastern (Great) White Pelican (Pelecanus onocrotalus) is native to large swaths
of the Eastern Hemisphere, but does not cross the ocean.


#15 of 88 by keesan on Wed Jul 9 17:11:53 2003:

What is the bird that stores fish in its oversized beak?  We saw a lot of
those and were told they migrated north in the summer to the lakes in South
Dakota.  Websters describes a pelican as any of a genus (Pelecanus) of large
web-footed birds with a very large bill and distensible gular pouch in which
fish are caught.
We were also told they were pelicans.


#16 of 88 by keesan on Wed Jul 9 17:21:17 2003:

A web search on pelican and Dakota turned up a Pelican Pass, a Pelican Lake
Rec. Area, and a site titled Distribution of the American White Pelican in
South Dakota.  There are a lot of lakes there.  We followed one road that went
straight to a lake and wondered what to do next until we noticed the road (a
sand trail) went around the lake and then straight on from the other side.
There are also egrets.

Florida is one of the winter homes.  Pelican Island National Wildlife Refuge.


#17 of 88 by rcurl on Wed Jul 9 17:57:39 2003:

There are distribution maps for the Brown Pelican and the American White
Pelican, in the contiguous United States, accessible through
http://www.mbr-pwrc.usgs.gov/bbs/htm96/map617/all.html.

The Brown Pelican is primarily coastal, and the American White Pelican is
primarily inland. Their ranges seem to overlap only in some areas near the
central California coast.


#18 of 88 by gull on Thu Jul 10 13:11:14 2003:

Huh.  Sure enough, there *are* pelicans in South Dakota.


#19 of 88 by dcat on Thu Jul 10 20:15:02 2003:

well.  whaddaya know.


#20 of 88 by clees on Mon Jul 14 17:46:51 2003:

Bisons, bisons, bisons.
I have seen quite a lot of them.
A whole herd of at least 200 crossed the street in Custer national 
Park, the other day.
The ride itself Needles Highway, near Custer, was way beautiful too!
After that came the pain. Iron Road towards Rapid City and doing Mt. 
Rushmore on the side.
Scary descent, I must say. (for somebody with fear of heights, that is)

The day before Mt. Rushmore, we obviously also paid a visit to the 
Crazy Horse Monument, which was pretty great too.

The wind factor is becoming more and more of a sore.
I totally hate headwinds as they drain me from all me rserves, which 
makes cycling so much harder.
Since we have left the Rockies temperatures have been rising forever. 
Yesterday we cycled in the 100s, with accompanying chills/shivers (too 
much drink too littel food and too hot weather) Got my third sunburn, 
block or no.

But the Black Hills (about the last place with trees before getting 
well into Minnesota) 
Oh yes, I cometh closer and closer to Ann Arbor.

According to Martin I had a narrow escape from death, the other day, as 
a hige truck started shearing in a steep desent (6% grade) while I was 
carefully desending too, toally unaware of what came up behind me.
These trucks go way too fast to be safe. Thay are a hazard. Se, it was 
supposed to be in low gear with such a descent, bu they intentionally 
keep ignoring traffic rules.
Anyway, I am still alive.

A woman pulled over yesterday as we were drinking water from our pre-
arranged supplies, and she told us the place was teeming with ratlers. 
That provides quite another perspective to the meaning of having a fine 
drink.


#21 of 88 by rcurl on Mon Jul 14 18:38:57 2003:

Stay calm. Rattlesnakes warn you of their presence if you don't surprise them.
You would have to go out of your way to be bitten. My closest encounter
was while hiking up a trail in California. A rattlesnake crossed my path
at that moment and I had to step over it. It went on its merry way. 

Your trip sounds marvelous - and tough. 


#22 of 88 by gregb on Wed Jul 16 15:49:58 2003:

I've heard that rattlesnake meat is pretty good.


#23 of 88 by novomit on Thu Jul 17 11:28:26 2003:

If cooked right, it is pretty good. 


#24 of 88 by clees on Thu Jul 17 19:10:47 2003:

Today we cycled from DeSMet (SD) towards Watertown, SD.
This means we're 10 miles from the Minnesota border.
Tomorrow we'll ride into the other state.
SD would be  very boring if it weren't for the wind.
We have had headwinds for the better of one week, say 450 miles.
It's not funny anymore. My body totally agrees with that statement. I 
was very tired, yesterday, after the ride. 
A nd predictions look pretty bleak.
Yesterday we had our second Tornado alert.
But we still got to be on the road.

For the rest nothing new but the fact that since today I got Shimano 
Ultegra, front and rear, on my bike.
Yea!


#25 of 88 by tod on Thu Jul 17 19:17:19 2003:

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#26 of 88 by keesan on Thu Jul 17 22:44:44 2003:

Southeast Minnesota has a very nice bike trail on an abandoned railway, with
shade.  It continues into Wisconsin, where one town built free hot showers.


#27 of 88 by clees on Fri Jul 18 02:35:24 2003:

I think we'll be doing that.
Or so I have been told.
The sooner we get out of this wind, the better.


#28 of 88 by keesan on Fri Jul 18 08:20:47 2003:

Houston Minnesota (the start of the trail) has a cooperative bike store run
by the public schools to teach children useful skills.  The person who works
there is very nice.  In the winter they build wheels.  This is a town of 1000
and there is a waiting list for the 16 places in the class.  If you go through
La Crosse, they have a lovely bike trail cutting through town in a marsh,
which goes under all the roads and takes you lots of useful places such as
the train station, community garden, university and downtown with food coop.


#29 of 88 by aruba on Fri Jul 18 10:47:11 2003:

You've probably been told that DeSmet is the place where the later books in
the Little House series took place.  The Long Winter is a really powerful
description of how they almost starved to death one winter when the railroad
tracks east into Minnesota were completely blocked by snow fron November
until May.  You're probably biking along those tracks now.


#30 of 88 by clees on Mon Jul 21 17:54:43 2003:

O yes, e have bee told about the Little House on the prairie. DeSmet 
calls itself the Little Town on the Prarie. Met somne crazy  and very 
drunk locals there. The town hussy included.
She was all over us bikers.
But that's another story.

Time flies when you're having fun.
We have officially passed the haflway point.
Man, it saddens me toe realise that I will have to say goodby to all 
these wonderful people I have spent so much time with, shared weather, 
pain, grief, joy and drink with.
Part of me wishes this could go on forever.
Another part says, no more headwinds, please.
Fortunately those winds have ceased two days ago and I hope it stay 
that way.
So, we left South Dakota and went into Minnesota. Mosquito country.
These little bloodsuckers (national bird of MN) seem to have a great 
taste for foreign blood.
Anything exotic tastes better, I gues.
My legs testify for this.

Yesterday we had rain and thunderstorms.  It made the morning part of 
the day's ride (91 miles) interesting to say the least. The aftermath 
is actually pretty pleasant. The heat is gone.
And finally I have started to lose weight, or it is beginning to show.
Yeah!
Me, a lean mean biking machine.


#31 of 88 by gull on Wed Jul 23 14:27:39 2003:

Get yourself an insect repellant with DEET, like "Off".  It's the only
thing that really helps.  You're heading into West Nile Virus territory
so it's prudent to avoid as many bites as possible.


#32 of 88 by other on Wed Jul 23 14:33:29 2003:

or smother yourself in catnip.


#33 of 88 by other on Wed Jul 23 14:39:58 2003:

http://www.mosquitosolutions.com/catnip.html

8 fl. oz. Spray Bottle

This natural mosquito insect repellent contains Catnip Oil! A full 8
ounces of protection from mosquitoes and other biting insects. Our
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Catnip Oil was found to be 10 times more effective than DEET at
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All natural herbal based recipe:

The Catnip based insect repellent combines: 100% pure Catnip Oil
(nepetalactone)  100% pure Pennyroyal Oil (known to repel biting
insects) 100% pure Rosemary Oil (to repel more insects) 100 % pure
Vegetable Glycerin, used to keep the repellent on the skin for up to 8
hours.

This 100% natural formula provides defense without the potential dangers
associated with the chemical DEET. Our insect repellent offers up to 8
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scientists at Iowa State University showing that Catnip Oil is 10 times
more powerful than DEET at repelling mosquitoes.



Directions: Spray on exposed skin (body, neck, arms, legs, etc.). Spray
on hand and rub on face. Apply to non-exposed areas if clothing is in
contact with skin surface (as mosquitoes will bite through clothing such
as socks, jeans and t-shirts).


#34 of 88 by rcurl on Wed Jul 23 16:07:24 2003:

How  is "actual research" different from "research"? (Or an "actual report"
from a "report"?) 

I also like the insidious "chemical DEET", as though nepetalactone and the
active ingredients of pennyroil and rosemary oils are not also chemicals.

And those oils from pennyroil and rosemary contain many other chemicals,
which they don't tell you about. 

This is not to say that catnip oil isn't a better repellent than DEET,
although it it *much* harder to synthesize and therefore would be expected
to be more expensive. And is it really better to be crawling with cats
than with mosquitos? 

Anyway, it is the choice between putting N,N-diethyl-m-toluamide or
5,6,7,7a-Tetrahydro-4,7-dimethyl-cyclopenta[c]pyran-1-(4aH)-one on your
skin. 

Is this the next Avon Skin-so-Soft fad?



#35 of 88 by dcat on Wed Jul 23 16:11:57 2003:

"not only will mosquitos hate you, but your cats will *love* you !!"

 :-)


#36 of 88 by glenda on Wed Jul 23 16:24:41 2003:

My cats already are a nuisance, wanting to be on my desk or lap.  Right now
they seem to take turns with only one or two bugging me at a time.  With that
stuff I would have to be fighting all six at once.

Fortunately mosquitos don't seem to like me anyway.


#37 of 88 by tod on Wed Jul 23 17:11:11 2003:

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#38 of 88 by polytarp on Wed Jul 23 22:43:18 2003:

DEET is an harmful carcinogen.

37: what the fuck's wrong with you?


#39 of 88 by tod on Wed Jul 23 22:45:30 2003:

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#40 of 88 by rcurl on Wed Jul 23 23:38:02 2003:

From http://212.187.155.84/wnv/List_WPMod_Cont/westnile/Chemicals/deet.htm

# Carcinogenic effects: [of DEET]  

    * No development of cancer in rats and mice (Mus domesticus - Laboratory
mouse) fed high daily doses over their lifetime. (W188.Mar02.WNV18)
    * No direct relationship has been established between the use of DEET and
carcinogenicity in humans.



#41 of 88 by tod on Wed Jul 23 23:45:52 2003:

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#42 of 88 by keesan on Thu Jul 24 00:08:42 2003:

DEET makes me nauseous.


#43 of 88 by rcurl on Thu Jul 24 00:41:36 2003:

Some individuals may be sensitive, but overall DEET is quite innoxious.
Here is the toxicity information from the above website: 

# Relatively few confirmed incidents of human (Homo sapiens - Human)
toxicity have been reported. (W188.Mar02.WNV18)

    * No sign of skin irritation in initial repeat-insult patch tests
conducted over 21 consecutive days and involving 100% technical grade DEET
or 50% DEET in ethanol.(J136.128.w1)

    * A few cases of contact urticaria and irritant contact dermatitis
have been reported (14 cases, mainly in soldiers); there appears to be a
particular sensitivity of the antecubital fossa to develop bullous
irritant contact dermatitis if DEET products are left on this area
overnight. (J136.128.w1)

    * One case of bradycardia and hypotension has been documented in the
medical literature. (J136.128.w1)

    * 14 cases of encephalopathy reported, 13 of these in children less
than eight years old, with three fatal cases (including one in a child
with an ornithine carbamyl transferase deficiency which may have
predisposed the individual to DEET-induced toxicity); the other children
recovered without sequelae. Many of those affected had a history of "long
term, excessive or inappropriate use of DEET repellents. "(J136.128.w1)

.....

Note the last sentence. I prefer 100% DEET and have no effects from it
when lightly placed on my skin (avoiding area around eyes). However I
prefer to wear a "bug jacket", which is an open mesh jacket that is first
soaked in 100% DEET. One gets very little on one's skin and then only in
tiny patches where the jacket directly contacts the skin. There is no
need to even apply it to the face - the jacket has a hood and that is
enough to keep mosquitos at bay. 


#44 of 88 by slynne on Thu Jul 24 14:22:14 2003:

DEET is very effective. Generally, I dont apply it to my skin but 
choose to put it on my clothes instead. I think DEET melts certain 
types of synthetic fabrics but I havent had any problems. I hate the 
way it smells though so I only use it when the bugs are really bad. 


#45 of 88 by gull on Thu Jul 24 19:36:33 2003:

I've heard that over 50% there are no additional benefits to higher
concentrations of DEET.  The concentration mainly seems to affect how
long the repellent lasts, not how effective it is.


#46 of 88 by rcurl on Fri Jul 25 00:21:27 2003:

Well, that's important. The longer it lasts, the less often you have
to apply it, and very possibly it is cheaper per mosquito-hour. Why
pay for a diluent?


#47 of 88 by clees on Tue Jul 29 10:04:44 2003:

Today, Tuesday, I'll end up in Frankenmuth, Michigan, after a 88 mile 
ride from Farwell.
I'll stay at the 
Frankenmuth Middle School E.F. Rittmueller, 
965 E. Gennesee

You can expect me to arrive between 1 and 2 p.m.


#48 of 88 by remmers on Tue Jul 29 11:51:46 2003:

Check out the chicken dinners at Zhender's!


#49 of 88 by russ on Wed Jul 30 04:44:26 2003:

Pity I had to miss this; retrieving car from repair shop ate my 
free time for the day.


#50 of 88 by other on Wed Jul 30 14:25:14 2003:

I too would like to have gone, but database madness and a looming 
personal deadline overruled.


#51 of 88 by aruba on Wed Jul 30 14:31:54 2003:

gelinas, lhbunkie and I drove up and chatted with clees for a while, and
scott showed up just before we left.  Thanks Joe, for taking the initiative
- and thanks clees - it was good to finally meet you in person!


#52 of 88 by clees on Wed Jul 30 23:12:05 2003:

Thanks to those who drove all the way to frankemuth to honor me with 
such a great visit, even though it was short.
it was excellent and great.
Thanks for dinner, Scott!
You're great.


#53 of 88 by tod on Wed Jul 30 23:17:12 2003:

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#54 of 88 by gelinas on Wed Jul 30 23:27:33 2003:

aruba's (digital) camera was used to take pictures.  mooncat was not in
Frankenmuth when I was, but she did show up a bit late to the BoD meeting.


#55 of 88 by scott on Thu Jul 31 01:32:08 2003:

http://www.scotthelmke.com/clees.jpg

I had a better shot, but it didn't come out so well.


#56 of 88 by janc on Thu Jul 31 14:17:34 2003:

(I'm mildly amused by the idea of going to Frankenmuth to visit a Dutchman
visiting America...though going to Holland (MI) would have been even better.)


#57 of 88 by aruba on Thu Jul 31 14:53:43 2003:

I put a picture of aruba, scott, clees, gelinas, and lhbunkie at
/--------------------------------------------------\
| http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mconger/clees.jpg |
\--------------------------------------------------/


#58 of 88 by tod on Thu Jul 31 16:15:09 2003:

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#59 of 88 by mary on Thu Jul 31 18:09:09 2003:

Cool tee, Mark. ;-)


#60 of 88 by clees on Thu Jul 31 19:44:00 2003:

Thanks for the pics.
I'll download them as soon I get back in the netherlands.


#61 of 88 by aruba on Thu Jul 31 22:28:36 2003:

Heh.  Mary brought me that shirt from Aruba.


#62 of 88 by slynne on Fri Aug 1 16:32:19 2003:

That photo is great! Everyone has almost the same expression


#63 of 88 by gelinas on Fri Aug 1 16:56:22 2003:

I hadn't noticed that.


#64 of 88 by clees on Mon Aug 4 19:07:38 2003:

Well,
after a short trip through Canada, we have landed in new York.
Albion, to be precise.
A rundown little city with a lot of lost glory.
Niagara Falls were awesome!
We had a whole day of rain, there.
More wetness.


#65 of 88 by scott on Tue Aug 5 00:38:06 2003:

Yeah, it's been pretty wet in the eastern US lately.  Philly was hot & muggy,
with rain every day.


#66 of 88 by clees on Fri Aug 22 23:19:05 2003:

Hello all.
I think it would be appropriate to tell you I made it safely back to 
the Netherlands.
Time to recuperate from my foolish dive on a plastic sheet in the rain. 
I bruised five ribs and had to bike for four more days until the final 
stage. I made it, still.
Tiry dipping in the Atlantic!


#67 of 88 by mary on Sat Aug 23 00:47:35 2003:

Congratulations!  Take a bow.


#68 of 88 by rcurl on Sat Aug 23 05:52:27 2003:

That was really quite an accomplishment. What will you do to top it?


#69 of 88 by gregb on Sat Aug 23 15:51:57 2003:

Too bad the trip's over.  I enjoyed reading your experiences.


#70 of 88 by oval on Sat Aug 23 17:27:12 2003:

welcome back clees!

/


#71 of 88 by russ on Sun Aug 24 01:44:02 2003:

Way to go on the continent crossing, Rick.  Did you achieve
the other goals you had for the trip?


#72 of 88 by clees on Sun Aug 24 14:49:47 2003:

heh heh, there you got me.
No future american wife for me, ha ha ha.
No green card.
Seems I have been barking up the wrong tree all the time, given what 
some fellow female cyclist said to me in our final fiteen minutes 
together.
Mayhap a Hawaii address to stay though, which isn't bad at all.


#73 of 88 by tod on Sun Aug 24 15:14:50 2003:

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#74 of 88 by clees on Sun Aug 24 15:29:53 2003:

I guess you don't know what cycling does to a man's libido...
particularly when it takes place on a daily basis for nine weeks?

Besides, with so many people at each other's lips, I guess no.
That was not my aim.
Cycling coast to coast was. 4,200 miles, and I did it.


#75 of 88 by scott on Sun Aug 24 16:09:56 2003:

Impressive enough, I'd say.


#76 of 88 by slynne on Sun Aug 24 19:01:31 2003:

Dang. That is awesome! 


#77 of 88 by oval on Sun Aug 24 19:29:14 2003:

some grexers actually do get laid.



#78 of 88 by clees on Mon Aug 25 11:24:49 2003:

some do, yes, apparantly, haha


#79 of 88 by tod on Mon Aug 25 17:27:06 2003:

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#80 of 88 by jiffer on Mon Aug 25 20:06:22 2003:

you sit on your "boys" for a few hours and tell us how it feels.  I can 
say from a woman's perspective that it isn't pleasant to be on a bike 
for more than 6 hours... from my century bike race I did once, and 
claim I will never do again.


#81 of 88 by clees on Mon Aug 25 20:32:51 2003:

endorphenes come a long way (vague and blissful smile)


#82 of 88 by mcnally on Mon Aug 25 20:42:20 2003:

re 79:  a bad saddle or improper saddle adjustment can cause problems
(temporary in all but extreme cases..) but I would expect the general
increase in fitness to counterbalance that in most cases..


#83 of 88 by drew on Mon Aug 25 23:53:10 2003:

One should ride with the bicycle seat *on*.


#84 of 88 by scott on Tue Aug 26 01:44:23 2003:

This is where a recumbent is very nice - big lawn-chair seat.

On the down side, I tend to get numb feet.


#85 of 88 by naftee on Tue Aug 26 14:53:17 2003:

Stick them in warm water with dissolved epsom salts


#86 of 88 by clees on Tue Aug 26 14:58:49 2003:

Did I tell you about the two toes that have been numb for more than 
five weeks, now? Or the painful knot between my shoulderblades?
Or the other knot? The one in my right calf?

There is no gain without pain.
That's why I decided to be foolish and take a dive on a wet sheet of 
plastic in the rain where others took a slide. I bruished more than one 
rib.


#87 of 88 by aruba on Tue Sep 2 22:28:45 2003:

Way to go, Rick, like everyone else, I'm amazed at your accomplishment.


#88 of 88 by clees on Wed Sep 3 10:07:58 2003:

In bruising ribs?
That'll be the day!


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