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Item 25: Bush Fan Club

Entered by probably on Tue Jun 24 14:47:38 2003:

BRAIN DAMAGE
According to Van Wormer, "scientists can now observe changes that occur
in the brain as a result of heavy alcohol and other drug abuse. Some of
these changes may be permanent."

Van Wormer characterizes this damage as "barely noticeable but
meaningful." Researchers have found that brain chemistry irregularities
caused by long bouts of drinking or drug abuse cause "messages in one
part of the brain to become stuck there. This leads to maddening
repetition of thoughts."

One of these powerful "stuck" thoughts, says van Wormer, is that
"President Bush seems unduly focused upon getting revenge on Saddam
Hussein ('He tried to kill my Dad'), leading the country and the world
into war, accordingly."

Grandiosity is another major trait of former addicts brain-damaged by
their addiction. Bush has reversed the successful, five-decade old U.S.
policy of containment and no first strikes. Now he says, Americans can
attack anyone, anywhere at any time with any weapons of their choosing
including banned cluster bomb munitions, radioactive explosives and
nuclear bombs.


AN AGENT OF ARMAGEDDON?
According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, a person suffering
from Narcissistic Personality Disorder, "Has a grandiose sense of
self-importance-exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be
recognized as superior without commensurate achievements."

Sound familiar?

This personality is preoccupied with fantasies of power and being loved.
Such a person requires "automatic compliance". He or she is
"exploitative" of others, "lacks empathy, is unwilling to recognize or
identify with the feelings and needs of others." And also "shows
arrogant, haughty behavior or attitudes."

"This set of characteristics," says Dr. Wolman, not too reassuringly,
"may describe Rumsfeld and Cheney better than Dubya."

For those who, like Nobel Prize winner Joseph Stieglitz, warn that Bush
"has been captured by a small group of ideologues, Dependent Personality
Disorder describes someone who "has difficulty making everyday decisions
without an excessive amount of advice and reassurance from others." [CBC
Feb. 10, 2003]

From a Jungian perspective, writes Dr. Wolman, "Dubya may be identifying
with an archetype  something out of Revelations, perhaps, whereby he
sees himself as an instrument of God's will to bring about Armageddon."
Concurs Katherine van Wormer, "To fight evil, Bush is ready to take on
the world, in almost a Biblical sense."

http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/04/1600093.php

76 responses total.

#1 of 76 by other on Tue Jun 24 15:05:41 2003:

Sounds too plausible to be plausible.


#2 of 76 by jep on Tue Jun 24 15:36:28 2003:

This was posted before.


#3 of 76 by polygon on Tue Jun 24 16:41:13 2003:

To be blunt, I don't think this stuff matters.  GWB is not making any
decisions.  He's just a tool who reads speeches.


#4 of 76 by jazz on Tue Jun 24 17:41:17 2003:

        I hate it when thoughts get stuck in my head.  In my head.


#5 of 76 by tod on Tue Jun 24 18:00:02 2003:

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#6 of 76 by jazz on Tue Jun 24 21:19:57 2003:

        Shaddap, ya torque wrench.


#7 of 76 by mdw on Tue Jun 24 21:23:53 2003:

I wonder if we can draw any conclusions regarding comparisons of Bush's
brain and the internet?


#8 of 76 by senna on Wed Jun 25 02:44:56 2003:

Al Gore invented one, and lost to the other?


#9 of 76 by sj2 on Wed Jun 25 09:28:03 2003:

Well ... All this credits the man with having a brain of some kind!!! 
I DISAGREE!!!


#10 of 76 by gull on Wed Jun 25 13:50:28 2003:

Re #3: Well, he doesn't read them very well. ;)  I think he
single-handedly demolished all the arguments that you have to look and
sound good to be elected in the TV age.


#11 of 76 by tod on Wed Jun 25 16:15:24 2003:

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#12 of 76 by gull on Wed Jun 25 17:27:23 2003:

JFK got assassinated, so we have to say good things about him now.  That
might be a good career strategy for George Dubya if he wants history to
treat him kindly.


#13 of 76 by oval on Wed Jun 25 17:47:44 2003:

lol!



#14 of 76 by polygon on Wed Jun 25 17:58:43 2003:

It worked for James A. Garfield.

A friend of his, Andrew Dickson White, former professor at the University
of Michigan, and the first president of Cornell University, wrote in his
autobiography that Garfield's assassin saved his reputation.  White was
sure that Garfield's administration would have dissolved in scandal if he
had lived.  Given that James G. Blaine was apparently making Garfield's
decisions, that fear was probably well founded.

See "The Autobiography of A. D. White" (1918), and the recent book by
Kenneth Ackerman: "Dark Horse: The Surprise Election and Political Murder
of James A. Garfield".


#15 of 76 by mdw on Wed Jun 25 18:12:04 2003:

According to
        http://www.aarrgghh.com/no_way/garfield.htm
Garfield was actually killed by his physicians.


#16 of 76 by polygon on Wed Jun 25 18:23:03 2003:

Re 15.  That has been the conventional wisdom for decades.  And indeed,
they were shockingly careless, inserting unwashed fingers into the wound
and so on.  It was only in the 1880s that medicine was starting to
understand just how antiseptic things needed to be for successful surgery.

However, an analysis of the evidence by surgeons and historians a few
years ago pretty well established that Garfield's doctors could not
possibly have saved him with the technology available at the time.
There was an organ rupture caused by the bullet which wasn't repairable
then.

In other news on the presidential-death conventional-wisdom front, the
story that President Harding was poisoned by his wife has been pretty well
discredited.


#17 of 76 by mdw on Wed Jun 25 18:36:47 2003:

Apparently Garfield lingered for 80 days -- which organ rupture would
have got him no matter what but didn't in 80 days?


#18 of 76 by tod on Wed Jun 25 18:48:50 2003:

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#19 of 76 by mdw on Wed Jun 25 19:21:11 2003:

Hm.  According to
        http://www.doctorzebra.com/prez/g20.htm
garfield's bullet lodged in a "harmless" spot behind the pancreas, and
he probably actually died of "ischemic heart disease" (presumably from
the infections, caused in large part by the doctors.)

According to
        http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/442239
McKinley probably did die of pancreatitis, and he also died quickly of
it, 8 days.  Even today, 27% of people who get "penetrating" wounds to
the pancreas die (luckily such wounds are uncommon).


#20 of 76 by polygon on Wed Jun 25 19:24:04 2003:

Ah, I think it was the pancreas.  I will see if I can find the study and
post a citation.  If I recall correctly, the new analysis indicated that
the bullet did enough damage to the pancreas that he would have been in a
precarious state from that alone for the rest of his life.


#21 of 76 by tod on Wed Jun 25 19:32:53 2003:

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#22 of 76 by sj2 on Thu Jun 26 05:33:04 2003:

Heyy!! Get back to bashing GW Bush.


#23 of 76 by tpryan on Mon Jun 30 23:06:03 2003:

        Wouldn't that be single minded, raising suspicion of brain damage?


#24 of 76 by sabre on Fri Jul 4 11:51:44 2003:

eat shit Bush bashers


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#25 of 76 by sabre on Fri Jul 4 11:52:16 2003:

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#26 of 76 by sabre on Fri Jul 4 11:52:41 2003:

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#27 of 76 by sabre on Fri Jul 4 11:53:16 2003:

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#28 of 76 by sabre on Fri Jul 4 11:53:50 2003:

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#29 of 76 by sabre on Fri Jul 4 11:54:22 2003:

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#30 of 76 by sabre on Fri Jul 4 11:54:49 2003:

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#31 of 76 by sabre on Fri Jul 4 11:55:23 2003:

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#32 of 76 by goose on Fri Jul 4 14:11:23 2003:

This from our self professed Mensa member.....


#33 of 76 by jor on Fri Jul 4 14:41:26 2003:

        yea I was gonna say . .


#34 of 76 by jmsaul on Fri Jul 4 15:11:05 2003:

Standards must be slipping.


#35 of 76 by sabre on Fri Jul 4 15:30:02 2003:

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#36 of 76 by sabre on Fri Jul 4 15:30:28 2003:

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#38 of 76 by other on Sat Jul 5 07:26:39 2003:

I thought that if I could manage to see past the desire to bbs-filter 
polytarp, then I'd not have to use one at all, but I think sabre just won 
the award for being so completely ignorable that I haven't the slightest 
concern that it might post anything worth knowing about.

BTW: finger sabre

Full Name: Sabbra Cadabra 
Last On: Fri Jul 4 10:54:30 EDT 2003

I plan to go trolling on the grex bbs ...
I also plan to stir up some shit in this virtual society for misfits


Don't finger me anymore you sycophantical asskisser 



#39 of 76 by jaklumen on Sat Jul 5 10:06:03 2003:

I could agree with that.


#40 of 76 by sabre on Sat Jul 5 11:40:41 2003:

RE#38

Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? You haven't posted one thing that
has any meaningful content whatsoever. polytarp makes more sense than you ever
have. In fact the only reason you even persecute him is to "fit in" with the
rest of the lame ass misfits. It makes you feel good about yourself if there
is someone you feel superior too. I have seen many one line post whores like
you. STFU ....dipshit.  


#41 of 76 by rcurl on Sat Jul 5 18:37:50 2003:

For some reason, grex sometimes attracts jerks like sabre. How can anyone
imagine that such  crap can create the least bit of respect? 


#42 of 76 by jmsaul on Sat Jul 5 19:14:51 2003:

He doesn't.  He just wants attention, and he's getting it.


#43 of 76 by russ on Sat Jul 5 19:28:45 2003:

<LOL at the utter intellectual impotence of sabre.>


#44 of 76 by sj2 on Sun Jul 6 11:04:59 2003:

Sabre, r u 4 hotchat??? (Thus spake ryan's bot)


#45 of 76 by pvn on Mon Jul 7 08:16:06 2003:

sabre must be a jewbot as I observe the tip of every finger is snipped
off?


#46 of 76 by gull on Mon Jul 7 14:46:03 2003:

Re #24-31,35-37: Wow, man, I'm totally convinced now.  You should work
for Bush's reelection campaign.


#47 of 76 by tod on Mon Jul 7 16:55:50 2003:

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#48 of 76 by naftee on Tue Jul 8 02:20:45 2003:

re 40 YEAh


#49 of 76 by sabre on Fri Jul 11 19:45:03 2003:

I glad you guys are coming around <trollish grin>


#50 of 76 by tsty on Thu Jul 17 06:47:02 2003:

bck to the original topic .... who among us is *also* qualified
as a fighter pilot?   an ccomplishment earned loooong before
politics entered gwb's world.
  
i fly single-engine-land so i have perspective on his qualities
and abilities.
  
i wish i were as qualified.


#51 of 76 by happyboy on Thu Jul 17 07:11:53 2003:

gwb...wern't he awol for a year or so?


#52 of 76 by jmsaul on Thu Jul 17 11:45:36 2003:

Re #50:  I'll give him credit for being a fighter pilot, but that doesn't
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#53 of 76 by happyboy on Thu Jul 17 19:32:26 2003:

an AWOL fighter pilot


#54 of 76 by tod on Thu Jul 17 19:48:47 2003:

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#55 of 76 by gull on Thu Jul 17 20:13:14 2003:

He was DSIDHTG. (Daddy Said I Didn't Have To Go.)


#56 of 76 by happyboy on Thu Jul 17 21:49:59 2003:

heh


#57 of 76 by pvn on Sun Jul 27 06:54:10 2003:

re#55: His father was Nixon? 


#58 of 76 by oval on Mon Sep 1 15:20:51 2003:

8-29-03

My Darn Good Resum, Accomplishments as President

By GEORGE W. BUSH 
The White House, USA

* I attacked and took over two countries.

* I spent the U.S. surplus and bankrupted the Treasury.

* I shattered the record for biggest annual deficit in history.

* I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month
period.

* I set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.

* I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

* I am the first president in US history to enter office with a criminal
record.

* In my first year in office I set the all-time record for most days on
vacation by any president in US history.

* After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over
the worst security failure in US history.

* I set the record for most campaign fundraising trips by any president in
US history.

* In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs.

* I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other
president in US history.

* I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.

* I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any
president in US history.

* I set the record for the fewest press conferences of any president since
the advent of TV.

* I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any
other president in US history.

* I presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to
intervene when corruption was revealed.

* I presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to
use the national reserves as past presidents have.

* I cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.

* I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take
to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for
protest against any person in the history of mankind

* I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

* I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US
history.

* Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history.
(The 'poorest' multimillionaire, Condoleezza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker
named after her).

* I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union
simultaneously go bankrupt.

* I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in
any country in the history of the world.

* I am the first president in US history to order a US attack and military
occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United
Nations and the world community.

* I have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history
of the United States.

* I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more
than any other president in US history.

* I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove
the US from the Human Rights Commission.

* I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove
the US from the Elections Monitoring Board.

* I removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of
Congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.


* I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.

* I withdrew from the International Criminal Court.

* I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default
no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

* I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations election
inspectors access during the 2002 US elections.

* I am the all-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign
donations.

* The biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign, who is also one of my best
friends, presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world
history (Kenneth Lay, former CEOof Enron Corporation).

*I spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US
history.

* I am the first president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and
then lied, saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)

* I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government. 

* I took the world's sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year
made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest
diplomatic failure in US and
world history).

* I am the first US president in history to have a majority of the people of
Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and
stability.

* I am the first US president in history to have the people of South Korea
more threatened by the US than by their immediate neighbor, North Korea.

* I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded  government
contracts.

* I set the all-time record for number of administration appointees who
violated US law by not selling their huge investments in corporations bidding
for gov't contracts.

* I have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any
other president in US history.

* In a little over two years I have created the most divided country in
decades, possibly the most divided that the US has been since the civil war.

* I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than
two years turned every single economic category heading straight down, record
unemployment being the most recent achievement..

RECORDS AND REFERENCES:

* I have at least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas drug
conviction has been erased and is not available).

* I was AWOL from the National Guard and deserted the military during a time
of war.

* I refuse to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.

* All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to
my father's library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. 

* All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt
companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

* All minutes of meetings of any public corporation for which I served on the
board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. 

* Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public
energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.




#59 of 76 by klg on Mon Sep 1 17:36:48 2003:

(We think that someone's been reading too much of the New York Times.  
or perhaps living in Beijing)


#60 of 76 by mcnally on Mon Sep 1 17:42:58 2003:

  Well, it's certainly.. creative.

  More than a few of the claims seem quite dubious (e.g. "I am the first
  president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of
  a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations
  and the world community." -- I don't see how that can possibly be true.)



#61 of 76 by rcurl on Mon Sep 1 18:15:39 2003:

If you don't think it is true, what is your counterexample? Of course,
the US attacked and occupied Japan, but not exactly against "the will of the
United Nations". If it is also added "without armed provocation" then it
must be true. 

There are a couple of dubious claims, though: he hasn't amended the
Constitution, although he has violated the Constitution, and the United
Nations is not exactly irrelevant (yet). 

However, the accusations are mostly factually correct.


#62 of 76 by mcnally on Mon Sep 1 23:00:45 2003:

  re #61:  I suppose it probably depends on your definition of "military
  occupation" but the claim is "first president in US history to order
  ann attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation."  As written
  that could probably apply to Panama, Granada, Nicaragua, and possibly
  even Hawaii.


#63 of 76 by bru on Mon Sep 1 23:10:05 2003:

Where do you think he violated the constitution?

What criminal record did he have?

Prove he was AWOL.  No one has been able to do that, thoughthey have claimed
it many times.


#64 of 76 by drew on Tue Sep 2 00:24:04 2003:

I would take issue with the "highest gas prices" claim, as gasoline is cheaper
in real terms now than it was in 1979. However, I consider inflation in and
of itself to be a Bad Thing, and solely the fault of the government.


#65 of 76 by i on Tue Sep 2 00:57:21 2003:

I don't like Bush one bit, but #58 has enough spin-doctored, sexed-up, 
and just plain false stuff in it that i'd probably vote Bush against an 
opponent who was trying to pass that list off as the truth.  


Re: #63 - Working from the technical definition of AWOL, my understanding
is that too many records are conveniently missing for anyone to prove
anything.  In the circumstances, that's pretty damning circumstantial
evidence.  Records showing that the rich & powerful did the right thing
are rarely lost.  But i'm not much interested in that line of argument.

Blue-blood George took the royal road to a safe & comfy seat in the
'Guard while those of lesser birth had to go to 'Nam, fight a dirty war,
and come home to what was often a villian's welcome for serving their
country.  

*Legally*, that's no more "AWOL" than Jefferson Davis killin' a darkie 
that he didn't like was "murder".  *Morally*, that those with the power
have quietly excepted themselves from having to live by the rules is no
sound defense, but an additional major offence instead. 


#66 of 76 by gelinas on Tue Sep 2 04:01:01 2003:

The US invasions of Mexico didn't result in occupation and were before there
was a United Nations (or even a League of Nations).  Same for the creation
of Panama.  The invasions of Haiti probably involved occupation but, again,
were before the formation of the United Nations.


#67 of 76 by mcnally on Tue Sep 2 09:14:00 2003:

  re #66:  the addendum about "against the wishes of the UN" isn't part of
  the condition set up in the claim that Bush is "the first president to
  [blah blah blah]", it's tacked on as rhetorical gravy.


#68 of 76 by tod on Tue Sep 2 16:21:51 2003:

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#69 of 76 by gull on Tue Sep 2 17:29:28 2003:

Re #68:
It's kind of surprising, though, how little benefit veterans and
individual soldiers are getting from a President they voted for because
he was "strong on defense."


#70 of 76 by tod on Tue Sep 2 17:44:18 2003:

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#71 of 76 by pvn on Thu Sep 4 05:32:40 2003:

So did President Johnson, and he has the medal to prove it.

As for cutting unemployment benefits?  Not sure but it seems to me such
have been extended twice under current administration.  The heck with
trying to refute each spun point and who the heck cares what the french
think (thats what folk usually mean).  Of the folk with "boots on the
ground" in Iraq the majority (not counting the US) are "europeans".


#72 of 76 by klg on Sat Sep 13 02:49:58 2003:

We must be dreaming .......

Former NYC Mayor Ed Koch (D) To Vote For President Bush
From Fox News' "Hannity & Colmes"

"I think [Bush has] been terrific.  And I have never voted in the past 
for a Republican president. ... But I am voting for George Bush this 
time around.  And I will tell you why.  He has created what is now known 
as the Bush Doctrine, equal to the Monroe Doctrine, and what is the Bush 
Doctrine?  That we will go after the terrorists and the countries that 
harbor them.  And he's kept his commitment, unlike anybody else in the 
world.  And certainly unlike any of the nine or so Democratic candidates 
for president.  And the worst one is Howard Dean. I mean, that's 
McGovern II." (Fox News'  "Hannity & Colmes," 9/11/03)


#73 of 76 by rcurl on Sat Sep 13 05:08:15 2003:

He seems to have missed the fact that the invasion of Iraq had nothing
to do with the obvious terrorism threats, which have been put on the
back burner.


#74 of 76 by pvn on Sat Sep 13 07:40:41 2003:

So when did the US military withdraw from Afghanistan?  I must have
missed that. (The US hasn't for those sarcasm impaired)  Seems to me I
recalls news of a rather hot and long lasting battle there recently.
And North Korea and Iran have been in the news recently for some reason.
Also I seem to recall chatter about some folk in the continent slightly
to the east of our own finally getting around to freezing financial
assests of terrorist orgs.  If you are the news market makers and decide
that news from elsewhere is 'back burner' that doesn't mean that the
current administration agrees or does.

A former administration was noted for relying on "overnights" to decide
on actions.  Not only does this imply that your decision loop is at
least 24 hours long but it leaves you open to the thousand idiot
problem. (A thousand idiots holding something to be true doesn't make it
so.)  A former regime in Iraq relied on a similar 24-hour or longer
decision loop and we all know where most of them are today.

I too will probably vote for Bush in the next election for the first
time.  (Last time I voted against Gore, not for Bush).  (He done a lot
better than I woulda thought.)


#75 of 76 by gull on Mon Sep 15 23:49:39 2003:

He's a record-breaker all right...he's lead the most job-poor economic 
recovery since 1939.


#76 of 76 by oval on Tue Sep 16 14:54:16 2003:

ya but beady's obviously still got a job to buy his CRACK.



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