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Item 210: It's about time! (But too late for many.)

Entered by klg on Wed Sep 10 16:29:22 2003:

Report Says Schools Are Unfair to America
Tuesday, September 9, 2003 Posted: 12:05 PM EDT (1605 GMT)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The nation's schools are telling an unbalanced story 
of their own country, offering students plenty about America's failings 
but not enough about its values and freedoms, says a report drawing 
support across the ideological spectrum.

Without a change of approach, schools will continue to turn out large 
numbers of students who are disengaged in society and unappreciative of 
democracy, the report contends.

Produced by the nonpartisan Albert Shanker Institute, "Education for 
Democracy" is the latest effort to try to strengthen the nation's 
underwhelming grasp of civics and history. . .

(T)he report is notable for the range of people and groups supporting 
it, from Republicans and Democrats to labor unions and conservative 
think tanks. . .

Too many classroom lessons and text books contribute to a sense of 
historical indifference by focusing on America's darker moments, the 
report says.

In a push to give a warts-and-all account of the struggles of 
democracy, schools have turned the nation's sins into the essence of 
the story instead of just a part of it, the new report says. . .

"People have been so anxious to be self-critical, probably with good 
intentions," said Sandra Feldman, president of the American Federation 
of Teachers . . ."But we feel that's just gone too far over in that 
direction. 

"We definitely have had terrible problems as a nation, but we also have 
a society that is totally different than that of a totalitarian 
society. Children need to understand and value what has been built 
here," said Feldman . . .

(I)t takes aim at a lack of teaching about non-democratic societies, 
saying that comparison could show the "genius" of America's system. 
Sanitized accounts of real-life horrors elsewhere lead to the "half-
education" of children, the report says. 

(The report) also suggests a bigger push for morality in education 
lessons.

"The basic ideas of liberty, equality, and justice, of civil, political 
and economic rights and obligations, are all assertions of right and 
wrong, of moral values," the report says. "The authors of the American 
testament had no trouble distinguishing moral education from religious 
instruction, and neither should we."
26 responses total.

#1 of 26 by scott on Wed Sep 10 16:34:42 2003:

I thought so!  After the astounding lack of support for Bush after 9/11, the
failure of Congressto pass the PATRIOT Act, and Bush himself being recalled
last year and replaced with Al Gore, who could doubt that the liberals run
this country?


#2 of 26 by klg on Wed Sep 10 16:51:41 2003:

Mr. scott,

You appear to be somewhat confused.

Let me know if I can help you.

Sincerely,

klg


#3 of 26 by bru on Wed Sep 10 17:17:55 2003:

Not surprised at all.


#4 of 26 by happyboy on Wed Sep 10 17:59:40 2003:

0 is interesting...and, in my experience as a public school
teacher, wrong.

i dare the author to go to pine ridge, the cass corridor, flint
mi, and discuss the "genius of the american system"

we have plenty of "horrors" to discuss right here in america.

in fact, we as teachers don't teach children to be critical
ENOUGH when it comes to history...i dare the author to go into
any elementary school library, pick up a biography of columbus
(lots of schools *celebrate* columbus day) and see what it
says about his treatment of the arawaks.



probably nothing.


#5 of 26 by dah on Wed Sep 10 18:30:06 2003:

O please.  You can't blame him for doing something which was common place back
then.


#6 of 26 by klg on Wed Sep 10 18:30:50 2003:

Mr. happyboy is a teacher?

My word and no wonder!


#7 of 26 by rcurl on Wed Sep 10 19:07:46 2003:

I haven't looked at primary-secondary school history textbooks for some
time, but I find it hard to believe that they don't give proper coverage
to our Constitution, the Bill of Rights, women's suffrage, emancipation,
the civil rights movement, etc. In addition, since none of those have been
*undiluted* successes, it is proper to discuss their limitations. I think I
would have to see what the authors of the report are presenting as evidence
for their assertion before I support their conclusions.


#8 of 26 by aruba on Wed Sep 10 20:38:57 2003:

Yeah, #0 sounds good (though the last paragraph about how we shouldn't make
any distinction between morality and religious teaching is a little
confusing to me), but I'd like some details.  Like - what should we be
talking about that we're not, and what should we leave out to make room for
it?


#9 of 26 by flem on Wed Sep 10 21:02:43 2003:

> Without a change of approach, schools will continue to turn out large
> numbers of students who are disengaged in society and unappreciative of
> democracy, the report contends.

Translation:  Unless something changes, things will stay the same!!

Seriously, though, I have a problem with #0's tendency to suggest that
criticism of America's past (and, one can't help but think, present)
policies is somehow anti-democracy.  It smacks of the "whoever is not 
for us is against us" rhetoric of the "war on terror".  



#10 of 26 by scott on Wed Sep 10 21:35:30 2003:

Dear klg:

Might I suggest you buy a dictionary, and look up the word "sarcasm"?


#11 of 26 by other on Wed Sep 10 22:09:17 2003:

I have a feeling that the broad, non-partisan support described for this 
report is overstated.  This is bound to be a somewhat controversial 
finding, especially in light of the tendency of non-democratic 
governments (a description toward which ours is quickly moving) to 
empahsize their own positive qualities (whether actual or imagined) and 
de-emphasize their own shortcomings.

A more profoundly valuable approach would be balance emphasis on our 
successes with discussion of ways to address our shortcomings (rather 
than just highlighting the shortcomings).  However, without specifics of 
the implementation suggestions in this report, one could not really 
criticize* it effectively.

*Note for those whose ideology undermines their intellect:  Criticize and 
condemn are not only not equivalents, but the latter is not even a 
stronger form of the former.


#12 of 26 by happyboy on Wed Sep 10 23:07:35 2003:

re5:  why not?  Bartolome da las Casas did.

re6:  not this year, staying home with my kid.
      did you go to private school?


#13 of 26 by gull on Thu Sep 11 03:53:21 2003:

I think you'll see groups of all political leanings supporting this study
and calling for more "balance" in education.  What they mean by "balance"
will vary greatly, though.  Considering who's currently in power, I expect
there will be attempts to legislate all kinds of patriotic rituals and to
eliminate everything that isn't rah-rah flag-waving the-U.S.-can-do-no-wrong
propeganda from the curriculum.


#14 of 26 by russ on Thu Sep 11 04:07:24 2003:

Re #6:  I'm told that happyboy teaches special education; given
your demonstrated lack of reading comprehension, you should have
had no difficulty recognizing him as such.


#15 of 26 by happyboy on Thu Sep 11 07:49:56 2003:

he, sadly, probably never recieved the services that might have
treated his social autism.

I'M KIDDING.


#16 of 26 by md on Thu Sep 11 16:02:46 2003:

I've been watching for bias one way or the other in the history 
textbooks my kids have been assigned, but haven't seen anything major.  

Around Thanksgiving time last year, my daughter's history teacher told 
his class, "The Mayflower Pilgrims dined ON the indians, not with 
them."  I had to deprogram my daughter, who, like most kids, loves to 
see history myths debunked.  There's lots of bad things you can say 
about the Pilgrims, I explained, but at least they weren't freakin' 
cannibals.  "Indian pudding" (New England soul food) was never made 
with real indians.  

After some research, I came up with one Jamestown story about a couple 
of desperate colonists who dug up a dead indian and ate him, and were 
put to death by the other colonists for this indiscretion.  That's 
where my daughter's teacher got his idea about cannibalism among 
the "Mayflower Pilgrims."  So I think there are probably individual 
teachers who have IQ issues, but the textbooks seem okay, albeit 
shallow.


#17 of 26 by klg on Thu Sep 11 16:36:29 2003:

re: #8  Mr. aruba - It appears that you may have misinterpreted the 
final paragraph of #0.

re: 10  My dear Mr. scott - How kind of you to make such a suggestion, 
though it is not necessary.

re: 11  Mr. other - With support for the report coming from such a 
broad-based, divergent, wide-ranging group or prominent Americans, it 
ought to be quite less controversial than you suggest.

re: 12 Mr. happyboy - That must be some relief.  No.  Why do you ask?

re: 13 Mr. gull - I suspect you are too suspicious.  (Unless, of 
course, you are able to provide substantiation.)

re 14 Oh, Mr. russ - You are so cute.  We love you, too.






#18 of 26 by happyboy on Thu Sep 11 18:27:30 2003:

especially when he wears his spandex star trek uniform.


#19 of 26 by gull on Thu Sep 11 19:54:49 2003:

Re #17: I probably am too suspicious.  But I remember being told not all
that long ago by some prominant Republicans that to criticize America
was to support the terrorists.


#20 of 26 by aruba on Fri Sep 12 16:02:52 2003:

Ah, I see - I reread the last paragraph of #0, and klg is correct: I has
misread it before.

I find myself in agreement with klg here.  All americans should learn about
the freedoms we enjoy, and learn to fight for them when someone tries to
take them away.


#21 of 26 by janc on Sun Sep 14 04:16:26 2003:

How about we just teach the kids the best approximation to the truth that we
can come up with?

I like the bit about teaching them about some other countries.  Pick any three
third world countries, and do a study of their miserable histories.  Columbia.
Somalia.  Afghanistan.  Yicks.  Then let the kids try to figure out what
exactly they did to deserve having life as easy as most of them do.


#22 of 26 by dah on Sun Sep 14 04:17:25 2003:

ASg.
g'aflaftly flat drunk


#23 of 26 by tod on Sun Sep 14 06:47:55 2003:

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#24 of 26 by oval on Thu Sep 18 16:16:11 2003:

learning US history IS and should be learning about other countries also.
just as with any world raping global empire.



#25 of 26 by happyboy on Thu Sep 18 17:38:35 2003:

/chants

USA OUT OF MY UNDERPANTS!

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#26 of 26 by cross on Thu Sep 18 23:36:30 2003:

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